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Re: Anambra Is Ancestral Home Of The Igalas by OdenigboAroli(m): 2:45am On Jan 09, 2014 |
[quote author=Findingmyroots] I'm from Onitsha and I'm quite sure we not Yoruba we are igbos who went to war with our brother igbos. As a matter a fact, it's some of the Yorubas who are actually Igbo, thanks to Queen Remi sacrifice e of her body to the igbos and her son. Places like Akure & Abeokuta were founded by the Onitsja people. Did you know that 10 villages in Onitsha are arochukwu? Yes, it's true. The other 4 villages are from anambra state. And two from igala(kogi). The current oba of Benin paternal home is actually Igbo. And the maternal home is Bini Some even say Yoruba is a Hausa word and just recently came into existence Nwa onye Onicha,tell me more about these ten villages in Onicha who are Aro people. I have read Onicha history extensively but I have never came across any Onicha-Aro link. I mean,which are the villages and how when did they arrive Onicha ? What about the migrants from Bini ? You have a lot of explanation to do ? Where in the world did you get such iddeiotic story ? |
Re: Anambra Is Ancestral Home Of The Igalas by RedEboe(m): 3:17am On Jan 09, 2014 |
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Re: Anambra Is Ancestral Home Of The Igalas by aljharem(m): 10:55pm On Jan 09, 2014 |
Very interesting topic. I strongly believe there are connections btw Igbo bini ijaw Yoruba igala idoma etc People should go read on Emeagwali's history on onitsha |
Re: Anambra Is Ancestral Home Of The Igalas by Antivirus92(m): 1:35am On Jan 10, 2014 |
alj harem: Very interesting topic. I strongly believe there are connections btw Igbo bini ijaw Yoruba igala idoma etcemeagwali's history on onitsha is a big crap and lacks proves. It's all my mother told me this and that! |
Re: Anambra Is Ancestral Home Of The Igalas by Nobody: 8:59am On Jan 10, 2014 |
Onitsha has connections with the Aniocha-Oshimili people of Delta State and perhaps with the Edo people. The Onitsha dialect is basically a 'splinter-dialect' of the Aniocha-Oshimili macrodialect. I really doubt that there was any kind of direct connection between Onitsha and any Yoruba group. All the words of supposedly Yoruba origin found in Onitsha vocabulary could have easily come from the Anioma area, and ultimately from Benin rather than firsthand from Yorubaland. |
Re: Anambra Is Ancestral Home Of The Igalas by bigfrancis21: 11:01am On Jan 10, 2014 |
Radoillo II: Onitsha has connections with the Aniocha-Oshimili people of Delta State and perhaps with the Edo people. The Onitsha dialect is basically a 'splinter-dialect' of the Aniocha-Oshimili macrodialect. @bold...that's if there are any in the first place except for the one or two kingship titles borrowed from the Bini traditional kingship system which are Bini anyway. |
Re: Anambra Is Ancestral Home Of The Igalas by Nobody: 11:54am On Jan 10, 2014 |
bigfrancis21: That's why I said 'SUPPOSEDLY Yoruba words'. It seems some Onitsha people believe they derive the following words directly from the Yorubas. Ogede (plantain) Onogbo (ologbo in Yoruba - cat) Ogbadu (agbado in Yoruba - corn) But these words are also used throughout Aniocha-Oshimili and Edo. I see no reason why those places can't be the immediate source of the words for Onitsha. Why climb over the heads of their immediate neighbours who share these words with them to clinch some imaginary Yoruba kinship on the strength of a small number of widely used words? |
Re: Anambra Is Ancestral Home Of The Igalas by Antivirus92(m): 2:10pm On Jan 10, 2014 |
Let's assume that onitsha people are bini descendants. Then, how........ Are they speaking igbo instead of bini(their mother tongue) or at least a mixture of igbo and bini? How do they claim to have a monarch(obi) which some of them claim to be a corruption of bini word "oba", when the people working with the obi are ndiichie,ndinze(which they call agbala-NZE) and ndi ozo. Are there no other names for these tittled men in the mother tongue bini? How can an ogboli village in igbouzo and ogwashiukwu claim igbo origin and then the same ogboli village in onitsha be founded by some bini migrants?,was there any time in history when igbos and bini spoke the same language?, was there any igbo clan that colonised those bini migrants that settled in onitsha? Do other onicha people in ebonyi and other parts of igboland also come from bini? If not, why the sameness of name?, was it just a coincindence? How do other delta-igbo people(asaba,igbouzo,ogwashi-ukwu etc) have a history of nri-awka igbo settlement when onitsha which is the gateway to those places has no trace of igbo origin? Do those nri-awka migrants fly to those places? ,didn't they pass through onitsha? FOOD FOR THOUGHT! 3 Likes |
Re: Anambra Is Ancestral Home Of The Igalas by Pharoh: 2:20pm On Jan 10, 2014 |
Some people thought closing the delta igbo thread will stop the debate but it is evident that it will never stop. Origination from a geographical location does not mean you are of the same ethnic group with the people presently there. Americans do not European ethnicity even though most of them migrated from the various European countries today. Anioma ethnic groups do not claim benin as their ethnic group but only claim there as their place of origin only which was originally called Idu. An empire is made of different ethnic groups and their languages so it is in this light that you will look at the benin empire and not that everyone who claim benin origin must speak benin language. |
Re: Anambra Is Ancestral Home Of The Igalas by Antivirus92(m): 2:39pm On Jan 10, 2014 |
Pharoh: Some people thought closing the delta igbo thread will stop the debate but it is evident that it will never stop. Origination from a geographical location does not mean you are of the same ethnic group with the people presently there. Americans do not European ethnicity even though most of them migrated from the various European countries today. Anioma ethnic groups do not claim benin as their ethnic group but only claim there as their place of origin only which was originally called Idu. An empire is made of different ethnic groups and their languages so it is in this light that you will look at the benin empire and not that everyone who claim benin origin must speak benin language.a very lame excuse! America wouldn't have had whites among them if europeans had not went there,south africans wouldn't have had white population if europeans had not went there. There would not have been any english as official language in U.S.A if brits did not colonise them. How did igbo language and tradition manage to fly over to anioma if there are no igbos there?. Bini empire wasn't as strong as the old roman empire yet there are no identity crisis in europe. |
Re: Anambra Is Ancestral Home Of The Igalas by OdenigboAroli(m): 2:53pm On Jan 10, 2014 |
It is ridiculous for anybody to say or think Onicha Ado has relationship with Bini nor Yoruba. Not long ago Onicha were celebrating "Olili nne" with Adagbe of Nri comprising Nando,Ogbunike and other northern Anambra towns. How come ? Why are we talking about Onicha alone ? How about Umu-ezechima of Obosi ? Have you seen them arguing their Igboness ? What about Aguleri with all their Igala migrants ? How come Umuoji has the title (Iyasele) as Onicha but Onicha claim it was a bini title but we Idenmilis never borrowed from Onicha,rather we gave them and beautified them with out prestigious culture ? People like quoting a lost soul like Emeagwali because he is famous as if he is an authentic source,while ignoring the intimidating evidences on the ground. I swear,no Onicha man dare stand in my presence and spew those trash. I will put them right where they belong. Ndi ala! 2 Likes |
Re: Anambra Is Ancestral Home Of The Igalas by Nobody: 2:57pm On Jan 10, 2014 |
This is my theory. I might not be totally correct, but this is what I feel. Oftentimes, in history, people point to a major centre of civilization and culture which had a great cultural impact on them and claim that their founding fathers came from there. They develop a body of oral literature (which we call 'oral tradition') 'explaining' their putative kinship ties with that centre of civilization. This tendency was not limited to pre-literate Nigeria. In Ancient Europe, the celtic people of Britain were influenced greatly by imperial Rome. For a time, Britain was even ruled by Rome. In time the Britons came to believe that they were descended from a Roman called Brutus, and that 'Britain' is a corruption of 'Brutus'. Modern historians now know that this story is no where near the truth. Some Romans settled and intermarried with Britons, but they were a very small number. In southern Nigeria, there are (in my opinion) four such 'centres of civilization' from which many southern Nigerian groups claim to derive their origin. Ife, Benin, Nri and Idah. (Idah isn't exactly in the south, but for our purpose, let's assume everywhere south of Niger-Benue is 'south') Each of these 'centres of culture' have had considerable cultural and even political impact on their neighbours. And all over the south, we encounter traditions about people emigrating from there to found settlements and ethnic groups. But I think it is physically impossible that all these people could have actually come from those centres/cities. Ife, Benin, Nri, Idah would have to be immensely populated cities for that to even begin to make some kind of sense. Plus you have to adequately explain what was causing all the urban-to-rural pull. And why a city like Agbor drastically lost its Bini language, just a few miles outside Benin. When one really thinks about it all critically, it looks like what we have in Nigeria is basically the same Brutus-Britain-Rome story. We claim kinship with people who have influenced us politically and culturally. Back to Onitsha. I think they migrated to where they are now less than 700 years ago. But I don't think they came from as far west as Benin. Its more reasonable to look for their origins among the Onicha communities found in Aniocha, Delta State. If there were Bini people among them, they were probably very small (like there were a small number of Romans among the Britons) and they simply disappeared in the mix. PS: I'm not saying people never migrated from Benin or Ife or Idah or Nri. Movement of people is a historical phenomenon. I'm just saying we should be very critical of what traditions say about where people came from. Sometimes they are only showing us who influenced who. 1 Like |
Re: Anambra Is Ancestral Home Of The Igalas by Antivirus92(m): 3:13pm On Jan 10, 2014 |
Radoillo II: This is my theory. I might not be totally correct, but this is what I feel.well said. For me as an igbo, i have never argued that all igbo people are from nri(though i deliberately do it sometimes when some ignoramus want to re-write igbo history). My view on igbo origin is that we are of the same origin(enugu,anambra,abia,imo,ebonyi and delta igbos) though i cannot point exactly to our place of origin . We are not heterogeneous. During expansion, we assimilated some non-igbo groups and that's why there is some little differences in our various culture/dialects. 1 Like |
Re: Anambra Is Ancestral Home Of The Igalas by bigfrancis21: 3:20pm On Jan 10, 2014 |
Radoillo II: Yea. Even Ogede and Onogbo are used all over Igboland. In my mother's native dialect in Enugu state, cat is called 'Nwaologbo' and plantain, Ogede. In official Igbo topography, Ogede and Nwaologbo are the official Igbo words for plantain and cat. |
Re: Anambra Is Ancestral Home Of The Igalas by OdenigboAroli(m): 3:29pm On Jan 10, 2014 |
"Nwaologbo" and "ogede" aren't the only words we share with Benin or Yoruba; How about okwute,nti and nmili. Yoruba; okuta,eti and omi. These are similar words with little variance and we don't know who borrowed from whom. 1 Like |
Re: Anambra Is Ancestral Home Of The Igalas by OdenigboAroli(m): 3:35pm On Jan 10, 2014 |
Again,all Igbo don't share the same word for an item. For Umuoji; Thief-onye ulu. Lunch-igbazi. Adult-onye uchi. |
Re: Anambra Is Ancestral Home Of The Igalas by bigfrancis21: 3:35pm On Jan 10, 2014 |
Odenigbo Aroli: "Nwaologbo" and "ogede" aren't the only words we share with Benin or Yoruba; How about okwute,nti and nmili. Yoruba; okuta,eti and omi. These are similar words with little variance and we don't know who borrowed from whom. I was just about to say that. In addition to what you said, the following; duuru/duro(sit), ogwu/ogun(charm), egwugwu/egungun(masquerade), Gbajie/baje(break/spoil) Ozugo/otito(its enough/ok) O ga bia/o ma wa(he/she will come) are more examples of common words and sentences common between the whole of Igbo as a whole and Yoruba as a whole. |
Re: Anambra Is Ancestral Home Of The Igalas by Antivirus92(m): 3:53pm On Jan 10, 2014 |
@ odenigbo aroli, awka also use "ulu" for stealing or thief. Example, okwa irutalu pen anwu n'ulu?(you stole that pen right?)., nwoke anwu vu onye ulu(that man is a thief). This and many more other factors is why i believe that we are homogeneous. What we call kettle in my town in idemili maybe what a far away community in abia state call it. There maybe no other town in my neighbourhood(idemili) that share that same name for kettle with us . |
Re: Anambra Is Ancestral Home Of The Igalas by Pharoh: 4:28pm On Jan 10, 2014 |
Antivirus92: a very lame excuse! America wouldn't have had whites among them if europeans had not went there,south africans wouldn't have had white population if europeans had not went there. There would not have been any english as official language in U.S.A if brits did not colonise them. How did igbo language and tradition manage to fly over to anioma if there are no igbos there?. Bini empire wasn't as strong as the old roman empire yet there are no identity crisis in europe.Why don't you tell us the ethnic identity of those white that you find in south africa and america or is white now an ethnicity?. Anioma groups like ukwuani and Ika do not speak igbo language but Ukwuani and ika respectively which doubles for their identity as well. I don't think if you asked Nri or ezechime to tell you his ethnic group or language and they would mention igbo because that was the creation of the whiteman. |
Re: Anambra Is Ancestral Home Of The Igalas by Antivirus92(m): 4:39pm On Jan 10, 2014 |
Pharoh: Why don't you tell us the ethnic identity of those white that you find in south africa and america or is white now an ethnicity?. Anioma groups like ukwuani and Ika do not speak igbo language but Ukwuani and ika respectively which doubles for their identity as well. I don't think if you asked Nri or ezechime to tell you his ethnic group or language and they would mention igbo because that was the creation of the whiteman.brainwashed and misled fellow!. The whites of south-africa are still proud of their dutch origin. In america, u hear things like american-jew, irish-american, italiano-americano. Nobody is an american alone. In the olden days, different clans of south east live independently though their have similar language and tradition. So the whites did not create igbo consciousness instead, they awaken it. |
Re: Anambra Is Ancestral Home Of The Igalas by 1shortblackboy: 4:45pm On Jan 10, 2014 |
Radoillo II: This is my theory. I might not be totally correct, but this is what I feel.my guy na only Wey don talk like person Wey dey think for this thread others just dey spit gibberish coming from their lazy brains 3 Likes |
Re: Anambra Is Ancestral Home Of The Igalas by Pharoh: 5:24pm On Jan 10, 2014 |
Antivirus92: brainwashed and misled fellow!. The whites of south-africa are still proud of their dutch origin. In america, u hear things like american-jew, irish-american, italiano-americano. Nobody is an american alone. In the olden days, different clans of south east live independently though their have similar language and tradition. So the whites did not create igbo consciousness instead, they awaken it. Brainwashed and misled by who if i may ask?, why don't you provide official documentation to show the ethnic groups that make up south africa and USA?. The clans in ukwuani land did not live independently and that relationship or system of organization has not been broken to this day in ukwuani land so don't confuse us with groups from the southeast. In any official list of ethnic groups in Nigeria, you will find Ukwuani inside of it so i am not moved by ignorant claims of ukwuani people are igbos or benin. Our reference to benin is a claim to the farthest known place of origin and not a statement of ethnicity like most of you want to believe. Let those who want to be awaken to igbo consciousness do so and those who have their own separate consciousness do so too. |
Re: Anambra Is Ancestral Home Of The Igalas by Antivirus92(m): 5:34pm On Jan 10, 2014 |
Pharoh:you've said ur mind. Yes let ukwuani be and let igbo be. I could still recall that i had not mentioned ukwuani on this thread. How u dragged them into the conversation still amaze me. Ukwuani,though they speak igbo are not worth fighting for. Soooo negligible. |
Re: Anambra Is Ancestral Home Of The Igalas by Pharoh: 6:27pm On Jan 10, 2014 |
Antivirus92: you've said ur mind. Yes let ukwuani be and let igbo be. I could still recall that i had not mentioned ukwuani on this thread. How u dragged them into the conversation still amaze me. Ukwuani,though they speak igbo are not worth fighting for. Soooo negligible. You are the one that is confusing yourself because my original statement made mention of anioma ethnic groups not claiming benin as their ethnicity but you did not see that. You attacked me by saying there are anioma groups that are igbos and i went ahead to tell you those who do not claim igbo because only the aniocha and oshimili people mostly claim to be igbos. They were dragged into the discussion anytime people want to talk about anioma people at the slightest opportunity. Yes let everyone live and let live but for your information, ukwuani people speak ukwuani language and not igbo language. They are not worth fighting for but you people will never let them be and keep disturbing them with the igbo term. We are 100 percent comfortable with our ukwuani identity and language and do not wish to be lumped with or inside any other ethnic group. So the discussion should be limited to anambra people as the title of the thread says and i wonder how onitsha people migrated from the aniocha area of delta state without telling us where the aniocha people migrated from. |
Re: Anambra Is Ancestral Home Of The Igalas by Nobody: 7:39pm On Jan 10, 2014 |
But really, Pharoh, nobody said anything about Ukwuani before u jumped in. Anti-virus mentioned only Igbouzo and Ogwashi-ukwu, two Oshimili towns that have always identified as Igbo. Why are u fighting when no one is fighting with u? 1 Like |
Re: Anambra Is Ancestral Home Of The Igalas by Pharoh: 8:24pm On Jan 10, 2014 |
Radoillo II: But really, Pharoh, nobody said anything about Ukwuani before u jumped in. Anti-virus mentioned only Igbouzo and Ogwashi-ukwu, two Oshimili towns that have always identified as Igbo. Why are u fighting when no one is fighting with u?I am not fighting anyone but only putting a distinction because delta igbo people was mentioned by the same person and the etc means he is talking about the others. If the discussion is about aniocha and oshimili people then it is definitely not my concern as i mostly restrict myself to ukwuani/ndokwa affairs. How do other delta-igbo people(asaba,igbouzo,ogwashi-ukwu etc) have a history of nri-awka igbo settlement when onitsha which is the gateway to those places has no trace of igbo origin? Do those nri-awka migrants fly to those places? ,didn't they pass through onitsha? You can see the mention of delta igbo people just before my comment and the etc means he is talking about the whole anioma groups and not only those examples mentioned. I only made an harmless comment but you did not see all the insults he was throwing at me and now accusing me that i am fighting people here on this thread. Please can you point to me anything in my comment that suggest that i am fighting anyone?, i only made a general statement but he has been very insulting from the word go. Anyway you guys can continue with your discussion as i do not have any interest to argue much about settled stuffs this new year. I respect your conduct and opinion about cultural matters here on nairaland but this is a new year and you should try to talk to your brothers about civil conversations and not insulting anyone that says they are different. 1 Like |
Re: Anambra Is Ancestral Home Of The Igalas by Antivirus92(m): 10:02pm On Jan 10, 2014 |
@ pharoh, but i cannot see the insults you are talking about. I only said that u people are negligible and not worth fighting for. Which are but true. Or is it the brainwashed or misled stuff, ofcourse the way u rushed into this thread shows that u only came to spew what they have been feeding you over there and not to learn. |
Re: Anambra Is Ancestral Home Of The Igalas by Pharoh: 10:21pm On Jan 10, 2014 |
Antivirus92: @ pharoh, but i cannot see the insults you are talking about. I only said that u people are negligible and not worth fighting for. Which are but true. Or is it the brainwashed or misled stuff, ofcourse the way u rushed into this thread shows that u only came to spew what they have been feeding you over there and not to learn. Well at this point i will not continue this in order not to derail this thread so i will just let it slide and i don't know what is new to learn from what we have been reading on nairaland for many years now. There will be other threads to educate us so whenever that becomes a reality then i will be very eager to see what you have to say that is different from the others. Let the thread go back to its initial direction as this is really not about ukwuani people. |
Re: Anambra Is Ancestral Home Of The Igalas by macof(m): 1:57am On Jul 06, 2014 |
bigfrancis21: I've always had a feeling that the Igbo race is the progenitor of so many tribes in Nigeria. But today no tribe will want to acknowledge this fact due to the detrabilized name and status given to the Igbo after the civil war. see complete rubbish 2 Likes |
Re: Anambra Is Ancestral Home Of The Igalas by macof(m): 2:09am On Jul 06, 2014 |
Odenigbo Aroli: "Nwaologbo" and "ogede" aren't the only words we share with Benin or Yoruba; How about okwute,nti and nmili. Yoruba; okuta,eti and omi. These are similar words with little variance and we don't know who borrowed from whom. That's because all southern tribes were one at a point in time...some thousands of years ago before migration, expansion, isolation and finally innovation separated the people Igbo and Yoruba were probably separated less than 5000 years ago 4 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Anambra Is Ancestral Home Of The Igalas by Probz(m): 6:25pm On Oct 19, 2021 |
bigfrancis21: There’s definitely a case to be made that some itinerant Awka communities settled in the likes of Ondo (maybe even Ekiti) centuries ago. I also have a feeling that certain parts of Ekiti have a certain Imo-like vibe (God knows how itinerant/migratory ndu Okigwe were back in the day but it seems plausible that they migrated westwards at some point). It would explain why Ondo and Ekiti people seem to be cut from a more Eastern-leaning cloth than “mainstream” Yorubas closer to the western periphery. Why else would they have a sizeable Catholic community (Igbos and Ondo people at least are divided between Catholic/orthodox and Pentecostal) or pounded yam and vegetable soups (as opposed to amala and gbegiri) be a staple there? 1 Like |
Re: Anambra Is Ancestral Home Of The Igalas by EmekaA125(m): 6:03pm On Oct 20, 2021 |
olisaokere:Most rubbish post I have seen so far. I didn't even bother going through the gibberish. |
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