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Re: The Problem With HND Certificate – By Femi Olabisi by stupor(m): 6:41am On Feb 22, 2013
One thing have noticed here on Nairaland is that the MODs favor some particular topics even when it lacks crystal clear truth and justice !

Every year they try to reproduce what someone has said before because they feel uncomfortable and they want cheap and lame advantage.

I will not allow someone else's ignorance and uncredible education with regards to colleagues who attended a Nigerian Uni. Education to make bleak the future of others who have earned for themselves a proud and well deserved qualification.

University education is no way superior to Polytechnic education,not even in any way !

Its just a simple example of pitied advantage of University education who are lucky enough to have been in positions and offices of power that made it easier for them to take decisions for partially for themselves only otherwise every polytechnic graduate would have done the same.

A university education is a favored opportunity that Nigerians have turned to make look like fashion and aesthetics whereas a majority that holds it move around with it full of void,originality,techicality,Objectivity,professionalism which the Polytech.has in all its ramifications.

A Univeristy education is new while the Polytechnic is the origin and bedrock which seals the fact that most Nigerians don't know,A polytech. has in its coffers all that it takes to be a professional and nothing but the best in your given field.

A University is an extension of the solid structure and foundatoion a Polytech.is found so that it can include sports,fashion and extra-curricular activities whereas the major learning,development,research,inventions,theories,proofs are simply alienated to Polytechnic,more reasOn a Polytech will floor any University grad in major Post-grad and Professional exams.

University education is for the fashion and play while a polytechnic cannot jeopardize that because the whole world depends on their theory to work includin Uni.so while a Uni student is palying VOlleyball r learning hw to swim in the college for competitions,a Polytech undergrad is nerdily locked up by their supervisors at their different labs working because the Polytech.total land mass might not even have the space for a pool talkless of a Hockey court as no much time can be devoted for. Minor things as that ! Getting your theories right are important to Polytech undergrads than sports or a swimimg pool !

How many times did you get to hear or see Albeit Eienstein found playing ? He's always locked in the lab doing new things,and that is the state of mind of an average Polytech.

The best teaching place for developing theory and assessing practical is having a quality HND certificate and not even a business school or Univsersity education in Nigeria can contest that.

University education in Nigeria is a jealous group of people with little or no knowlege when it comes to higher education and always envious when they find themselves in the midst of a Nigerian Polytechnic graduate.

Quoting your words::::::::n essence, some of the lecturers in our polytechnics lack the academic and technical wherewithal to baptize their students with the required skill and knowledge. But the problem goes beyond that!

But kindly take note of these findings:

A Polytechnic Lecturer will teach and lecture a PHD University lecturer the basics and complex areas of his or her study without reading it from the book including scientific and engineering theories.

A Polytechic graduate in accounting with HND will teach all the PHD holders including professors things they have never had of in their career history.

An OND Polytechnic holder,will comfotably teach a doctorate all he needs to know about accounting and same goes to Engineering Polytechic graduates.

While a University is offering 5 courses in final year, a Polytechnic student is managing nothing less. Than 10 complex papers incuding cumbersome Case theories to hack.

@ OP you are just one of the several bunch of Jealous University holders who take envy at Polytechnic holders or try make them look less superior but you are totally mistaken and lack the truth.

Ask for ICAN,CITN,ACCA and any other Finance related Professional exams for their Log pass history and ICAN will be proud enough to tell you that the best minds ever in the history of their exams have always being a Polytechnic graduate !

It is just your shallow sightedness and the overly congested craving that government has for Universoity as regards its funding that few people like you habour in your minds that makes you think because of the land mass,few tall structures,thearter halls Owned by law and the revered course like Medicine that makes you think you can match up with a Poly,but get it wrong completely.

After medicine and law,no other course ! I repeat no other course taken in a University on an average can outmatch a polytech grad! I have done my own several research !

Finally,let me let you know that a PHD holder cannot take the same level with an HND Accounting grad in ICAN,the HND Accounting will be nothing less than 2 steps above Your University ProF.

Or is a. Polytechnic grad that made the rule !

I will simply just want you to keep your University Certificate where ever you hid it and let it be known that the best genuises when it comes to Higher education hails from the polytechnic and stop creating unnecessary rivalry that is filled up with wrong emotional jealousies over the excellently earned skills of a polytech. Grad.

Stop discriminating and if you must get your facts clear,visit Professional bodies and foreign institutions or take a polytech. Exam first to clear your doubts befOre trying to blemish the future of well meaning graduates that have attended and earned a quality Polytech.Education.

Let's talk about something else,like how you and I as youths can affect this badly soiled country and not all these irrelevant arguments that yields no profit.

Mark Zuckerberg is the youngest billionaire because he worked on a social networking theory and i bet you he can employ you now same goes to Bill Gates,a college drop out.

Let the works of your hand speak for you and not some cheaply acquired certificates that everyone now has.

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Re: The Problem With HND Certificate – By Femi Olabisi by stupor(m): 6:58am On Feb 22, 2013
JideTheBlogger: when you are hunting for job, you will know that HND sucks**
Go to Top rated Auditing firms and you will see that having HND is not a joke,those HND holders are the bedrock Of their institutins,ask Akintola Williams personally,Ernerst and YOung and even KPMG and they will proudly tell you that they don't joke with all their HNDs !

It is not that your Uni Cert sucks nor that HND sucks,it is actually you that sucks !

U mao !

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Re: The Problem With HND Certificate – By Femi Olabisi by samilo88(m): 7:04am On Feb 22, 2013
meerah25: Whatever!. . .well iam HND graduate,im proud of it. . .i spend almst six years in the polytechnic. . .wr im serving now,we have university graduate. . .lol the can't speak good English. . .only in Nigeria u ll fine disperity mentality . . .
You sir are the reason why polytechnics will always be second best to universities. You try to lampoon a university graduate as regards his spoken english, but your written english is as bad as someone who never stepped into the four walls of a school. I wonder the kind of english you speak. You are nothing but a gym joke.
Re: The Problem With HND Certificate – By Femi Olabisi by texazzpete(m): 7:10am On Feb 22, 2013
ishmael: Have u ever wondered why some poly graduates know more than d uni grads? Some poly students and grads even teach uni students some courses that they may be offering. Eg accounting courses. Ever wondered why? Can u teach what u don't know?

The bitterness is strong in this one cheesy
Re: The Problem With HND Certificate – By Femi Olabisi by stupor(m): 7:25am On Feb 22, 2013
hakuna matata:
YES! YES! YES! But only if the Uni grads are from OSU Or LASU & especially studying BIZ ADMIN
frankly, these 2 schools shld be christened Poly-OSU or poly-LASU!!! cool

I hate jelousies and the original OP is one of them.its clearly shown in its write-up that he has also seen recently an extra-amazing Poly-grad.

To add to yours sir,In Ife OAU,I know a OND accounting holder that teaches almost all the accounting students extra-curricular lessOns including their final year students while he also gets paid.

His lesson institutiòn was called GOPAB :Group of Professional Accountants and Bankers.he solely teaches all the other students and his seniors at OAU,ife,way back 2O00-2005.

He finished from Osun State College of Tech,Esa-OKE with OND Accounting,made the Direct Entry list at Ife to study Acct and at the same time runs his HND Acct.concurrently at The College of Technology,Esa Oke.

Ask of GOPAB in Ife if it still exists,it was founded by young and highly intelligent OND holders from Osun State College of Tech.Esa-Oke.

This is actually true and confirmed.

Please always respect other people's qualification even when you know they can be better than you,its all for our own benefits !

Stop the hate and jealousies !
Re: The Problem With HND Certificate – By Femi Olabisi by ishmael(m): 7:32am On Feb 22, 2013
texazzpete:

The bitterness is strong in this one cheesy
truth is bitter. Passed thru both schools. Since nigerians prefer uni and degree so be it. My advice is get a degree and rest from the wahala! The national assembly members careless about this uni- poly dichotomy, that's why it's still there.
Re: The Problem With HND Certificate – By Femi Olabisi by Belloladan(m): 7:59am On Feb 22, 2013
I dont even kwn wht's the problems of this country in as far as we contineous with this BSc/HND diachotomy we would always remain backword "certifacate its not the true test of one's intectuality" all the lecturers in my dept. of urban and regional planning, fed. poly birnin kebbi were PHD Holders and they thought us very well to the extent that we can compete and proved ourselves more worthey then other universities graduate i commended their effort God bless them
Re: The Problem With HND Certificate – By Femi Olabisi by stupor(m): 8:15am On Feb 22, 2013
mali_gnant: I commend the OP for articulating this home-truth. As a HND and BSc holder, I'm in the best position to analyze the quality of training in the polytechnics and universities.
For a start, I studied Elect/Elect Engineering in IMT Enugu, then later studied MLS at UNEC. Throughout my stay in IMT, no Ph.D holder taught me(some were even HND holders). The best I got was master's. As a matter of fact, my rector(Dr. Onyishi) is one of the few Ph.D holders in my school. I could remember vividly that a each course was taught by a single lecturer from the beginning to the end of the semester. I was disillusioned with a feeling that I was not learning.
Contrast the above with what I got when I entered UNN. One lecturer taught only one topic in a course. Some topics were taught by two or more lecturers. Not more than 3 master degree holders taught me throughout my stay in UNN. I was taught by professors from my first year. I was taught by close to 50 different lecturers in my first year alone. I was overwhelmed with arrays of knowledge and info. The quality of students that I met in UNN were better than that of IMT. The level of discipline was higher in univeristy unlike polytechnic where everything goes.
In conclusion, there is a chasm between the products of the polytechnics and quality universities.

I am also one of the best to speak on matters as these as I hate to tell people about it.I have both the Poly and Uni education at almost all the levels frm OND,HND to Msc in Uni.

With my AAT its a direct entry to 300 level without seating for exams in the Uni.including my ICAN or PGD and MBA.

Its very easy to pass any given exam in the University esp.when you come from the Polytechnic,you are nO dare-god,I was like a tin-god,I don't talk in class,but after every exam lecturers all end up to be my friend as they always want tO know which level I was in my ACCA and ICAN.

Cut the story short,get an education and if you must get any,never jeopardize that Polytechnic Offer letter,it can make you also a Tin-god in whatever field you so wishes.

My university experience was just to frolick,flirt,learn more about women and socials,I passed major Uni exams woithout reading,but only depend On my HND class lessons.that's a poly Trade secret if you must know.

Go to Yabatech and ask on average how many are already qualified Chartered Accountants at OND 2,and yet still humbly offer themselves loyalty to their lecturers.

University is for sports,Soundcity special events,Miss Nigeria,Tuface,Dbanj Concerts,while a Polytechnic is strictly for learning.

So kindly let our minds remain constructively positive and lets stop segregating as it leads no where. !

As an earner of both worlds at all levels,its always natural for someone who is jealous and of inferior esteem to feel threatened and that is the case of major Uni grads.its just like placing two kids in a roOm to study,the younger likes studying while the older just like palying around and when exams come,the younger dusted and left the older one in the class.but each time they get outside to play with others the older tries to show superiority,but only in age terms as he is a junior to his younger one in class !

That's the Uni-Poly analysis ! The younger one is the Polytechnic grad ! Who doesn care about Other frivlities and plays except books and learning.

Even despite getting Uni Ed.i was still being hated upon because i came from the Poly.and i often dust everyone of my Uni Coursemates during exams and always loved by my lecturers !

I borrowed one of my PHD lecturer my Group Consolidation theory when he wanted to write ACCA.he failed that stage 5 times consecutively in ICAN before opting for ACCA !

So I leave the rest of the emotions for you all to control,its not lipservice,if you never attended A poly and you see one so remarkable,it can make you feel with your BSC or MSC you have not attended any school at all !

Its just the rare drill of an average Poly grad.I heard the same about NCE holders too but I think an OND is a more refined scholar built for the institutional econOmics and less of a teacher.

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Re: The Problem With HND Certificate – By Femi Olabisi by werepeLeri: 8:28am On Feb 22, 2013
OP. Are you saying that the lecturers in the polytechnics sell more handout to their students than those in the Universities? Thats absurd.


The point is this, polytechnic graduates are tuned and trained towards practical hands on experience, the emphasis is less on practicals in the Universities. Try go round and do more research and you will see this. There is no need for any complex of any sort, the complex you see is the one administrators like the OP has put in the system. I have passed through the two systems and i can rightly say, the course contents are much about the same but with less emphasis on practical hands on excercises in the Uni system compared to the Poly system. The two were created to serve different purposes in the market and tech needs of a nation.
Re: The Problem With HND Certificate – By Femi Olabisi by JamesLucia: 8:41am On Feb 22, 2013
[quote
author=Omuha]Nigerians as always miss the point,the polytechnics were
built to provide skilled labour,the universities highly skilled
labour.You will find very good polytechnic graduates no doubt,but the
average polytechnic graduate does not measure up to the average
university graduate because they were not primed for the same thing. I
attended the university of Jos & throughout my stay there I sat
under the annointing of about 20 professors & a myriad of
doctors.When I moved to my department proper(200level) if u do not have
your PhD u were not allowed to lecture me. How then can u place such
product(not particularly me,as I must never seem immodest)with a
polytechnic graduate who was most likely lectured by master degree
holders? Some of my lecturers taught me things they discovered
themselves,scientific knowledge known to only a few on earth.[/quote]

are you talking about phd holders in terms of knowledge or certificates? my dear d are first degree holders who are more intelligence than proff.
Re: The Problem With HND Certificate – By Femi Olabisi by LeJeun3: 8:59am On Feb 22, 2013
Any administrator who writes this way, actually shows how little he knows......Fakt!!!



HND does d job, BSC gets paid to watch d HND do d job!!
Re: The Problem With HND Certificate – By Femi Olabisi by dulphines: 9:00am On Feb 22, 2013
Boyoorisha: My friend has HND lower credit in accounting from Ibadan Poly, but he earns 14 million naira per annum! We have bunch of 1st class uni grads walking aimlessly daily on the street of Lagos searching for job.
Where does your friend work? Oil company?
Re: The Problem With HND Certificate – By Femi Olabisi by BillyBayou: 9:26am On Feb 22, 2013
tallfish145: It is very vertain that the writer of this article is myopic in some aspect like the issue of being taught by a professor. Some degree holding lectueres perform far more better than those prof who got their professorship through what u and I know. To be very frank,this is not suppose to be a problem in job selection because what really matters is what such applicant can offer and not the institution attended,even employers of labour know this. Meanwhile I believes that very soon this nonsense will stop in Nigeria. I am proud of fed. Poly. Ede,osun state!
..... Up The Federal Polytechnic Ede!
Re: The Problem With HND Certificate – By Femi Olabisi by 7lives: 9:31am On Feb 22, 2013
Boyoorisha: My friend has HND lower credit in accounting from Ibadan Poly, but he earns 14 million naira per annum! We have bunch of 1st class uni grads walking aimlessly daily on the street of Lagos searching for job.
Let them continue to deceive themselves, the employers knows whats good for their business, degree or no degree.I and my husband studied marketing at the Kwara state polytechnic after fruitless search for admission to study law in the university, i was given an admission to study sociology and i said NO.
My friends that were able to make it to the university to study funny courses like zoology, anthropology, history and all were busy jeering and laughing at me, the beauty of it all is that i discovered that this school is what i actually needed, i also believe that i could be very rich if i put what I'm being thought in this school to use.
Most of us in the set of 1996 are having it good and living large today, once in a while we gather ourselves together to felicitate and say a big THANK YOU TO ILLIA DE KWATECO.
It is not about the degree it is about being optimistic of your opportunities, self determination and hard work.
Re: The Problem With HND Certificate – By Femi Olabisi by ABAKA72(m): 9:41am On Feb 22, 2013
Ogbuefienubiaka: This agrument is very unncessary. Most poly in Nija produce nothing but trash.I have been opportuned to have interview for years now and can confirm that in the east here poly graduates are nothing but craps. Their problem start with admission process. No Jamb is need and admission requirment are short of the standard provided u can pay for the FORMS.
Sudents only read hand out that are even below satadard to 'pass'. My hungry caretaker recently secured Job with Abia poly with his First Degree that he obtain over 11yrs ago with the only update in his knowledge his AGENCY for various landlords. What a shame for the system.
I can conclude that the system is bad as it is now and this issue of a ploy student being better uni grads put aside.
I read accounting in Ife and i dont know what an HND holder did in school that will make him better equiped as claimed here.
Please spare us the long grammer, an incompetent uni graduate who can not perform on the job, is no better than a road side labourer in reality. if any uni graduate must brag, it should not be Nigerian graduates, if what the much glorified Nigerian uni professors are producing are the hollow blockheads I encounter everyday, then we need God's intervantion. Gone are the good old days, up to the late 80s when a uni graduate was a proud, well educated and competent man who is so sound in his area of study that he fits seamlessly into any organization were he is employed. Today what most of these unis churn out are unemployable trash with bogus certificates obtained through sorting and sexual gratification. some of this graduates are so useless that you have to retrain them to get any form of productivity. One keep wondering what kind of knowladge these so called profs are impating on them.
And for the noise making poly graduates claiming superior technical competence, can you compete with your countaparts from other academicaly sane countries like say South Africa, Egypt, uganda or even Ghana. Though to be fair to the poly gtaduates, in relative terms they have proved to be more prepared and productive than their uni counterparts, at least you don't waste resource retraining them.
Generaly speaking, the whole education system here is a mess. This debate is uncalled for, as both uni and poly education are designed to play specific roles in the socity and are meant to complement each other, that @OP who claims to be educated does not understand this shows how shallow our so called educated grads are. The post is a product of a mentally insecured mind with a deep rooted complex. One does not need to talk or look down on others to prove how good he is.
Re: The Problem With HND Certificate – By Femi Olabisi by kenzspunpy(m): 9:44am On Feb 22, 2013
JideTheBlogger: when you are hunting for job, you will know that HND sucks**


HND doesn't suck young man. I hold one and I got two jobs at the same time ( one in a Federal Government parastatal and the other with an oil and gas company), 3 months after my NYSC, purely on merit. I only know God and no one else. All I needed was an opportunity to compete. I think this idea of HND/ B.Sc disparity is neither here nor there. If you are good and you have the opportunity to compete, with the grace of God, you will get a good job. Afterall, millions of university graduates are equally unemployed. And if I may add, the OP gave an erroneous impression that Polytechnic lecturers are deficient academic- wise. That's not totally true. I studied Mining Engineering at the Federal Polytechnic, Ado- Ekiti and there are FOUR Ph.D. Holders at the department. Go and cross-check! As a student, I've gone on field trips with University students, and it's clear most of them are not as good as we( polytechnic students) are. Infact, most of these univerisity students don't even have access to the equipment and laboratory my department has.
Re: The Problem With HND Certificate – By Femi Olabisi by FXKing2012(m): 9:53am On Feb 22, 2013
LeJeun3:
HND does d job, BSC gets paid to watch d HND do d job!!
True! And why, in your own opinion, is this so?
Re: The Problem With HND Certificate – By Femi Olabisi by meerah25(f): 9:57am On Feb 22, 2013
FXKing2012:
Be careful how you say some cant speak good English when writing very bad English. You wrote a very bad English just to tell us some university graduates cant speak good English...pot calling kettle black.

give me a break. . .jump into the nearest river closes to you. . .have u ever heard stories of polytechnic graduate who can't write or read?so u becareful nd stop reading post upside down. .birds of same feather!
Re: The Problem With HND Certificate – By Femi Olabisi by meerah25(f): 10:04am On Feb 22, 2013
oddy4real:
Na Poly you go true true, ur grammar na wa!!!

see boy wai dai for JSS class the open mouth like fowl yansh. . .im telln u again im proud been polytechnic graduate. . .can u change that?
Re: The Problem With HND Certificate – By Femi Olabisi by biddiebest: 10:08am On Feb 22, 2013
Dlong and short of it all is dat if u want to be on your own from the onset, u might not mind going to a Polytechnic, but if u will be an employee for a while, pls don't be at a disadvantage, i work with one of d financial institution, most of them don't employ HND holders, they end up doing jobs of OND, d importance of research work cannot be overemphasized, i actually advise d younger ones to strive 4 university education...
Re: The Problem With HND Certificate – By Femi Olabisi by FXKing2012(m): 10:09am On Feb 22, 2013
meerah25:

see boy wai dai for JSS class the open mouth like fowl yansh. . .im telln u again im proud been polytechnic graduate. . .can u change that?
Your English grammar is still very wrong. Pls what is the name of your polytechnic?
Re: The Problem With HND Certificate – By Femi Olabisi by FXKing2012(m): 10:12am On Feb 22, 2013
meerah25: have u ever heard stories of polytechnic graduate who can't write or read?
Yes I have...you are a perfect example.
Re: The Problem With HND Certificate – By Femi Olabisi by meerah25(f): 10:27am On Feb 22, 2013
AK 48:

Madam,I am pyguru and I have just auto corrected your stinking english.she can't speak and you can't write.

"pyguru" indeed exhibiting ur ignorance. . .English can't stink. . .so kindly auto correct ur English.hahahaha
Re: The Problem With HND Certificate – By Femi Olabisi by Lordwize(m): 10:44am On Feb 22, 2013
[quote author=stupor]One thing have noticed here on Nairaland is that the MODs favor some particular topics even when it lacks crystal clear truth and justice !

Every year they try to reproduce what someone has said before because they feel uncomfortable and they want cheap and lame advantage.

I will not allow someone else's ignorance and uncredible education with regards to colleagues who attended a Nigerian Uni. Education to make bleak the future of others who have earned for themselves a proud and well deserved qualification.

University education is no way superior to Polytechnic education,not even in any way !

Its just a simple example of pitied advantage of University education who are lucky enough to have been in positions and offices of power that made it easier for them to take decisions for partially for themselves only otherwise every polytechnic graduate would have done the same.

A university education is a favored opportunity that Nigerians have turned to make look like fashion and aesthetics whereas a majority that holds it move around with it full of void,originality,techicality,Objectivity,professionalism which the Polytech.has in all its ramifications.

A Univeristy education is new while the Polytechnic is the origin and bedrock which seals the fact that most Nigerians don't know,A polytech. has in its coffers all that it takes to be a professional and nothing but the best in your given field.

A University is an extension of the solid structure and foundatoion a Polytech.is found so that it can include sports,fashion and extra-curricular activities whereas the major learning,development,research,inventions,theories,proofs are simply alienated to Polytechnic,more reasOn a Polytech will floor any University grad in major Post-grad and Professional exams.

University education is for the fashion and play while a polytechnic cannot jeopardize that because the whole world depends on their theory to work includin Uni.so while a Uni student is palying VOlleyball r learning hw to swim in the college for competitions,a Polytech undergrad is nerdily locked up by their supervisors at their different labs working because the Polytech.total land mass might not even have the space for a pool talkless of a Hockey court as no much time can be devoted for. Minor things as that ! Getting your theories right are important to Polytech undergrads than sports or a swimimg pool !

How many times did you get to hear or see Albeit Eienstein found playing ? He's always locked in the lab doing new things,and that is the state of mind of an average Polytech.

The best teaching place for developing theory and assessing practical is having a quality HND certificate and not even a business school or Univsersity education in Nigeria can contest that.

University education in Nigeria is a jealous group of people with little or no knowlege when it comes to higher education and always envious when they find themselves in the midst of a Nigerian Polytechnic graduate.

Quoting your words::::::::n essence, some of the lecturers in our polytechnics lack the academic and technical wherewithal to baptize their students with the required skill and knowledge. But the problem goes beyond that!

But kindly take note of these findings:

A Polytechnic Lecturer will teach and lecture a PHD University lecturer the basics and complex areas of his or her study without reading it from the book including scientific and engineering theories.

A Polytechic graduate in accounting with HND will teach all the PHD holders including professors things they have never had of in their career history.

An OND Polytechnic holder,will comfotably teach a doctorate all he needs to know about accounting and same goes to Engineering Polytechic graduates.

While a University is offering 5 courses in final year, a Polytechnic student is managing nothing less. Than 10 complex papers incuding cumbersome Case theories to hack.

@ OP you are just one of the several bunch of Jealous University holders who take envy at Polytechnic holders or try make them look less superior but you are totally mistaken and lack the truth.

Ask for ICAN,CITN,ACCA and any other Finance related Professional exams for their Log pass history and ICAN will be proud enough to tell you that the best minds ever in the history of their exams have always being a Polytechnic graduate !

It is just your shallow sightedness and the overly congested craving that government has for Universoity as regards its funding that few people like you habour in your minds that makes you think because of the land mass,few tall structures,thearter halls Owned by law and the revered course like Medicine that makes you think you can match up with a Poly,but get it wrong completely.

After medicine and law,no other course ! I repeat no other course taken in a University on an average can outmatch a polytech grad! I have done my own several research !

Finally,let me let you know that a PHD holder cannot take the same level with an HND Accounting grad in ICAN,the HND Accounting will be nothing less than 2 steps above Your University ProF.

Or is a. Polytechnic grad that made the rule !

I will simply just want you to keep your University Certificate where ever you hid it and let it be known that the best genuises when it comes to Higher education hails from the polytechnic and stop creating unnecessary rivalry that is filled up with wrong emotional jealousies over the excellently earned skills of a polytech. Grad.

Stop discriminating and if you must get your facts clear,visit Professional bodies and foreign institutions or take a polytech. Exam first to clear your doubts befOre trying to blemish the future of well meaning graduates that have attended and earned a quality Polytech.Education.

Let's talk about something else,like how you and I as youths can affect this badly soiled country and not all these irrelevant arguments that yields no profit.

Mark Zuckerberg is the youngest billionaire because he worked on a social networking theory and i bet you he can employ you now same goes to Bill Gates,a college drop out.

Let the works of your hand speak for you and not some cheaply acquired certificates that everyone now has.



[/quote. Nice piece my bro.
Re: The Problem With HND Certificate – By Femi Olabisi by deesquarediddy(m): 10:54am On Feb 22, 2013
vision2050: Degree holders spent 4-5 years in school employe on level 08/step2

HND holder 4 years level 7/step1

NCE with 3years level 7/1. In the civil service if you have been working with your HND cert with 7 or more years experience you are subordinate to a degree holder that just get employ....
HND cert. are ridicule in the service, before if you have OND one can do ASSCON examination once you passed it you become an Admin. Officer now the case is different.. to do ASSCON exam you must posses degree cert. Imagine HND holder on GL14/5 with 20 years experience is subordinate to Admin officer on GL09/2 with 5 years.... To my own view the system is wrong someone should please correct it. Everybody cant have the privilege to go university and at the first place what is the essence of established polytechnic and college of education if they know that this foul play will occur?

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I disagree with you on this...for HND engineering/technical courses...its same Level 8, your analysis if for HND graduates of business/management alone.In engineering,both B.Sc and HND have different roles and are both employed to GL 08...why go to a polytechnic that is designed for technical education to study a management course in the first place? These forms part of the reasons that are bastardizing the polytechnic education...my cousin an HND graduate works with bureau of lands and survey in Ogun state.She is in Level 8.
Re: The Problem With HND Certificate – By Femi Olabisi by meerah25(f): 10:54am On Feb 22, 2013
samilo88:
You sir are the reason why polytechnics will always be second best to universities. You try to lampoon a university graduate as regards his spoken english, but your written english is as bad as someone who never stepped into the four walls of a school. I wonder the kind of english you speak. You are nothing but a gym joke.

I understand your pain,but the truth most be told. . .common but you read my post and reply right . . .does that means iam good?. .we been reading stories on the media about universities graduate who can't speak neither write their names in English. . .who is the gym joker now?
Re: The Problem With HND Certificate – By Femi Olabisi by kenzspunpy(m): 11:05am On Feb 22, 2013
JideTheBlogger: when you are hunting for job, you will know that HND sucks**
Re: The Problem With HND Certificate – By Femi Olabisi by Fadelex(m): 11:05am On Feb 22, 2013
I'm an HND holder and i've been able to wipe so many Bsc holders in my field of study (building tech)... This is bcoz i practiced wat i learnt in d class, qualification is jst a certificate, it is wat we can do dat differentiate us... HND holders is as good as Bsc, only that they are not opportuned
Re: The Problem With HND Certificate – By Femi Olabisi by Chidoxyl(m): 11:15am On Feb 22, 2013
Indeed, one cannot give what one don't have!
Re: The Problem With HND Certificate – By Femi Olabisi by adaybayor(m): 11:26am On Feb 22, 2013
The difference is clear. I will like to point out a fact: you don't study engineering in polytechnics, what you study is technology, hope you get it.
Re: The Problem With HND Certificate – By Femi Olabisi by meerah25(f): 11:26am On Feb 22, 2013
FXKing2012:
Yes I have...you are a perfect example.

Ignorance really is a disease. . .is that your definition of perfect English in Your words?well you confirm what iam saying for the world to see. . .bad product!
Re: The Problem With HND Certificate – By Femi Olabisi by FXKing2012(m): 12:06pm On Feb 22, 2013
meerah25:

I understand your pain,but the truth most be told. . .common but you read my post and reply right . . .does that means iam good?. .we been reading stories on the media about universities graduate who can't speak neither write their names in English. . .who is the gym joker now?
Pls somebody should advise this girl to stop exposing herself in public. Really, why are you doing this to yourself? Pls re-read your quoted post, does it make any form of sense even to you? Cant you see your written English has a foul smell all over it? Everybody is advising you yet you keep littering this thread with your 'gbagaun' thinking you know English grammar.

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