Top 5 reasons why christians will always lose on Nairaland


5) God is beyond logic/science and therefore theists will always lose in a logical argument.
Remember that the christian God is omnipotent, omniscient, timeless, infinite, created from nothing and eternal. All characteristics which are paradoxical/contradictory from a logical standpoint

4)The bible is a difficult book for everyone (both christians and non-christians) and so arguing for it is a difficult task that normally results in failure
The bible has many interpretations and multiple meanings . It also has problems with science (miracles). It is also an old book written in a different time from our time and so, some history/context has to be known before arguing for it.

3) Christians often contradict each other while the atheists who should be less united are more in harmony on the fundamental issues.
Atheists have no book to follow or some uniting body. However, atheists are more or less very in sync with their criticism of religion. Atheist also tend to be liberal and even the conservative ones are moderate conservatives. Atheists have various opinions and styles but they are very precise and similar on the criticism of religion. Christians on the other hand cant even have the same theology. The disagree on who their messiah is. Is Jesus man or God?

2) The blatant hypocrisy of certain christians and their pastors.
There are christians on nairaland that condemn atheists while they themselves are immoral. There are christians who claim that atheists are evil while saying that they rather give pastors tithes than to feed poor people. Then there are the pastors who are tithe frauds and liars who decieve their members like sheep.

This creates sympathy for the atheists and honest christians are forced to question their religion.

1) Atheists are generally more intelligent than christians when it comes to religious knowledge
This has been proven by studies.
http://www.atheistmemebase.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/425-How-religious-groups-performed-on-the-US-religious-knowledge-survey.jpg
There is also a logical argument for this. Many atheists were formerly religious and left their religion. For one to leave their religion, it takes some bravery and deep thought. On the other hand christians might focus only on their religion since it is their salvation and also only look at their religion from a "christian" or "insider" perspective. An atheist ex-christian would have both the "insider" and "outsider" knowledge!



NB; This also applies to the other Abrahamic faiths.

hey logic!

am definitely following this one

F00028: hey logic!

am definitely following this one

Cool but dont decieve yourself, this thread applies to the religion of peace as well

Logicboy03:


Cool but dont decieve yourself, this thread applies to the religion of peace as well

no, logicboy, it doesn't. but that's a whole new topic.

Ze life of ze average atheist revolves around Christianity and religion, who iz fooling who?

Image123: Ze life of ze average atheist revolves around Christianity and religion, who iz fooling who?

Don't be so quick to say that. I am living in a Muslim country and I spend a bit of time on one of their forums showing them the fallacies related to Islam. What is excellent to see is that I'm no longer the lonely atheist over there. The apostates have been showing themselves recently in larger numbers, like here on nairaland. Now every religious post is subject to challenge on that site

Image123: Ze life of ze average atheist revolves around Christianity and religion, who iz fooling who?

Maryam Namazie.

^^^

The name above shows that you're a fool

Image123: Ze life of ze average atheist revolves around Christianity and religion, who iz fooling who?

Why not address the op? Why not address the fact that more people move from christianity to agnosticism/atheism on Nairaland?

@ OP very true

onetrack:

Don't be so quick to say that. I am living in a Muslim country and I spend a bit of time on one of their forums showing them the fallacies related to Islam. What is excellent to see is that I'm no longer the lonely atheist over there. The apostates have been showing themselves recently in larger numbers, like here on nairaland. Now every religious post is subject to challenge on that site

you mind posting a link to that site. . .i have a lot I want to tell the murderous Mo

ooman: @ OP very true

The christians know it and thats why they are missing from the thread. There is not one point they can disagree with here. My favourite is number 1

ooman: @ OP very true

very very

poopli:

very very

Does that mean that christians will avoid this thread?

Logicboy03:


Does that mean that christians will avoid this thread?

waiting for deepsight and co

I do not agree with your submissions about the bible in no:5
The bible is not taken seriously by Atheists mostly because it largely contains fabricated hogwash with dizzying contradictions that defiles common sense.

It has been demonstrated with well documented citations and references from respected sources, historians, history books, commentaries from experts in egyptology, astrotheology, Roman and Greek Pagan mythologies, that Jesus Christ the centre piece of the Christian faith in a "God" was a piously created fabled hogwash Myth created by early Church fathers and christian historians, drawing copiously from the works of other Godmen myths like Krishna, Horus, Mithra and so on. He was no different, he belongs in thesame category as other myths before him; unprovable hogwash.
That is why the bible is hard to defend or used as a basis to counter any argument about the christian faith. There is too much alteration and Pius fraud.

rhymz: I do not agree with your submissions about the bible in no:5
The bible is not taken seriously by Atheists mostly because it largely contains fabricated hogwash with dizzying contradictions that defiles common sense.

It has been demonstrated with well documented citations and references from respected sources, historians, history books, commentaries from experts in egyptology, astrotheology, Roman and Greek Pagan mythologies, that Jesus Christ the centre piece of the Christian faith in a "God" was a piously created fabled hogwash Myth created by early Church fathers and christian historians, drawing copiously from the works of other Godmen myths like Krishna, Horus, Mithra and so on. He was no different, he belongs in thesame category as other myths before him; unprovable hogwash.
That is why the bible is hard to defend or used as a basis to counter any argument about the christian faith. There is too much alteration and Pius fraud.

We are saying the same thing. I agree with you

Your premise has no weight neither is your argument colorable. To stand behind such a statement you must first prove that which you have set out to defend. You must show evidence of the Christians (that you know) that have become Atheists in the Religion Section. Your talking points are void and do not merit individual scrutiny unless you can show NOT JUST a pattern of Christians on this Section becoming Atheists, but you must also demonstrate that the reason they have done so are the reasons that you've enunciated.

In the absence of the above all you've set out to do is honour your own intellect, but you would not have succeeded in setting up any meaningful discourse, which I think should be the point.

Logicboy03:


Does that mean that christians will avoid this thread?

I guess they should, as their posts might be hidden like mine was.

scarred: Your premise has no weight neither is your argument colorable. To stand behind such a statement you must first prove that which you have set out to defend. You must show evidence of the Christians (that you know) that have become Atheists in the Religion Section. Your talking points are void and do not merit individual scrutiny unless you can show NOT JUST a pattern of Christians on this Section becoming Atheists, but you must also demonstrate that the reason they have done so are the reasons that you've enunciated.

In the absence of the above all you've set out to do is honour your own intellect, but you would not have succeeded in setting up any meaningful discourse, which I think should be the point.

Well, I was a Christian or at least before my peers and family members I am a christian but with the benefits of hindsight, knowledge and maturity, I have come to the conclusion that Christianity just like every other religion was man's creation. I am well versed with the christian religion so I don't see what you are going to tell me about that I have not heard or read about it. I am more concerned with the fact that in the face of serioius academic and historical scrutiny, the bible is always exposed as just another invented compilation from men who originally were not even christians but were influence by the prevalent pegan beliefs of their time. It is disturbing that a majority of christians have very vague knowledge of the historicity of the bible and the characters in it.

rhymz: Well, I was a Christian or at least before my peers and family members I am a christian but with the benefits of hindsight, knowledge and maturity, I have come to the conclusion that Christianity just like every other religion was man's creation. I am well versed with the christian religion so I don't see what you are going to tell me about that I have not heard or read about it. I am more concerned with the fact that in the face of serioius academic and historical scrutiny, the bible is always exposed as just another invented compilation from men who originally were not even christians but were influence by the prevalent pegan beliefs of their time. It is disturbing that a majority of christians have very vague knowledge of the historicity of the bible and the characters in it.

So would I be right in assuming that you are now devoid of any sort of belief. Would I also be correct in assuming that you gained this 'Hindsight, knowledge and maturity' from discussions on this Thread?

scarred:

So would I be right in assuming that you are now devoid of any sort of belief. Would I also be correct in assuming that you gained this 'Hindsight, knowledge and maturity' from discussions on this Thread?

The internet is turning many people towards atheism, because now people with doubts can easily look up information about the contradictions, myths, and absurdities in the 'holy books'. Previously this information would have been hard to find without going to a university library in a western country. Now even someone in Maiduguri can instantly access many critiques of the Bible and Quran. Reddit seems to be particularly effective.

onetrack:

The internet is turning many people towards atheism, because now people with doubts can easily look up information about the contradictions, myths, and absurdities in the 'holy books'. Previously this information would have been hard to find without going to a university library in a western country. Now even someone in Maiduguri can instantly access many critiques of the Bible and Quran. Reddit seems to be particularly effective.

I do not doubt this neither do I doubt that spirituality evolves and is hardly static. What I doubt is the original premise of this thread. I doubt that this forum in and of itself is enough to make Atheists of Theists. Yes one can be led to such sites as Reddit and even Youtube to gain access to information that would make you question your faith. Yet that which can be questioned can always be re-examined.

scarred:

I do not doubt this neither do I doubt that spirituality evolves and is hardly static. What I doubt is the original premise of this thread. I doubt that this forum in and of itself is enough to make Atheists of Theists. Yes one can be led to such sites as Reddit and even Youtube to gain access to information that would make you question your faith. Yet that which can be questioned can always be re-examined.

Wrong! I he had at least 3 ex christians that have left their faith because of arguments here. They replied me on threads long ago. However one example is on the logicboy effect thread. Will look for it.



Read the op
https://www.nairaland.com/1028529/defence-logicboy

Logicboy03:


Wrong! I he had at least 3 ex christians that have left their faith because of arguments here. They replied me on threads long ago. However one example is on the logicboy effect thread. Will look for it.

great

Logicboy03:


Wrong! I he had at least 3 ex christians that have left their faith because of arguments here. They replied me on threads long ago. However one example is on the logicboy effect thread. Will look for it.

Then I stand corrected.

scarred:

So would I be right in assuming that you are now devoid of any sort of belief. Would I also be correct in assuming that you gained this 'Hindsight, knowledge and maturity' from discussions on this Thread?

You must be mistaken me for one wanna-be NL Kid. Long before I joined NL I have always had problems reconciling biblical stories with historical facts and logic. I have even had problems with youth leaders in my parish over the way I question the irrationality of some of the church doctrines. I once got into trouble for openly condemning the worship of Mary and other statues in school-I went to a catholic school by the way, St Finbarr's College Akoka. So I did not start anything here I only found out I could openly discuss these issues here without risking mob attack and lynching from anyone like I have had to experience many times even as recent as during my Service year. I stayed in family house NACC but had serious problem over religious beliefs and doctrines with almost everyone else since they were all die hard catholics. I am not your average follow follow commentator here. You can even look up threads that I have created in the past on NL is religious issues, they are not your usual let's fight christian threads. I am not into that but I will use every opportunity I have here to puncture the christian claim to truth and eternity.
I have read both christian history from the church and outside the church to know better and argue from an informed point. I don't believe in mental restriction in the name of faith, that is a boring excuse to hide the truth. Besides, I never said I was an atheist, I just don't believe the christian bullcrap and all most all other religious hogwash. Organized religion is not my thing. Stop assuming, if you have questions you wanna ask me go ahead.

Another point is that we find many christians repeating lies that make their beliefs sound logical due to pressure from atheists;

A great example is the student vs atheist professor lie;
https://www.nairaland.com/1038465/argument-between-professor-student
https://www.nairaland.com/978778/students-wins-atheist-proffesor
https://www.nairaland.com/787438/christain-student-shames-athest-professor
https://www.nairaland.com/259804/conversation-between-atheist-professor-student




This hoax of a story has been repeated so many times that we now expect some newbie christian to put it up once a month

6) Many atheists, few christians

We find here on Nairaland that most atheists here can argue and defend atheism on their own. However the average christian here can not face the deep philosophical questions- they have to leave it up to special apologists like Anony, Frosbel and co.

Logicboy03:


Wrong! I he had at least 3 ex christians that have left their faith because of arguments here. They replied me on threads long ago. However one example is on the logicboy effect thread. Will look for it.



Read the op
https://www.nairaland.com/1028529/defence-logicboy

Testimony Time.

I was a Christian before I joined nairaland, but now I am a fully convinced proud godless atheist. Thanks mainly to nairaland threads especially this one by Avicenna a while ago https://www.nairaland.com/914444/abandoned-religion-god-today-im

And I think Avicenna also claim he transitioned from Islam to atheism through one or more of Logicboy threads.

cyrexx:


Testimony Time.

I was a Christian before I joined nairaland, but now I am a fully convinced proud godless atheist. Thanks mainly to nairaland threads especially this one by Avicenna a while ago https://www.nairaland.com/914444/abandoned-religion-god-today-im

And I think Avicenna also claim he transitioned from Islam to atheism through one or more of Logicboy threads.

Cheers bro.


However, you suprised me when you said that you were married! Is it true?

Logicboy03:


Cheers bro.


However, you suprised me when you said that you were married! Is it true?

Yes, true. Happily married.