JIL:

You should rather pity your bank balance. It's the only thing that will suffer here.

Read up on HISTORY OF CULTURES IN THE MIDDLE EAST and you'll know Tithes didn't originate with Abraham.He was practicing a culture well known and accepted in the middle east even before he was born.You think he was the first to have his wife encourage him to sleep with his maid? also read up the history of the Church and you'll find out Tithes did not surface until the 5th century AD when the established ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH made it a law to support a theocracy.

Thank you

zoelife: @candour: true talk. We are in the hour of grace. But may I ask, grace for merely getting by or grace for reigning and winning? Rom 5:17.
Also, tithing didn't begin with the law, brother. We can trace its principle back from Eden when God gave Adam all trees but one to enjoy. Till the devil came and attacked(and is now also doing). Its an act of circumcision of our resources, a proof of our reverence for the God who has given us all we enjoy. It is the distinguishing mark between the believer's finance and dat of the rest. Dats y he says he wld rebuke the devourer for a tither. And the devil knows dis too well. He don't fight the wrong battles.

Bidam:

sorry bro.. i dnt need to read those trash called wikipedia..the bible and other edifying christian literature are good enouf for me..God's Word is infallible

zoelife: @frosbel: may I ask who appointed you overseer of God's resources that u are so vehement about its disbursment? If u want some y don't u ask God for ur own revelation, a message to the world with which to start ur own church. Then people can be blessed thru ur message and u become a bona fide collector and dispenser of His resources.God does need more preachers these last days to make His coming swifter. MHO

zoelife: @candour: u stopped tithing and ur actually bragging about it? OMG
Please retrace ur steps. There is a way that seemeth right to a man but....
Much more after u had tasted of His goodness once and are now rejecting His Word. Bro, pls rethink.

zoelife: @christembassey: I wept for you the first time I read ur comments here, and now I weep again. Who exactly is God to you? What does He mean to you. What is your conviction about Him and His plans, thoughts for His children? You mean I shouldn't expect good things from God? As His child?
What proof then would I have to show a physical and materialistic world that I am born of a God who owns all things?

Goshen360:

Quit parading and mixing the Old and the New wine to Christians. It's dangerous! The law is holy but it cannot make you holy. You also forget the strength\power of sin is the LAW (1 Corinthians 15:56). Hence, the law is holy but cannot make you holy because it has SIN in it. Malachi 3:8-10 is NOT instituted in Malachi, it was instituted under the law of Moses. Besides and again, Malachi is under the gospel of 'do this' and God will 'do that'. The Old Testament is fulfilled in the New Testament - please move your pulpit from 'mount sinai' where the law was given to 'mount zion' which is in Christ. Malachi threatens with curse, in the New Testament God blesses because of Christ's obedience and we're NOT giving\tithing IN ORDER to blessed but we give BECAUSE WE ARE ALREADY BLESSED by God.

I don't wanna dwell too much on Malachi with you guys curses and threats but here's a puzzle for you and your tithe teachings friends. Since you've being tithing according to Malachi 3:10,

Bring ye all the tithes into the storehouse, that there may be meat in mine house, and prove me now herewith, saith the LORD of hosts, if I will not open you the windows of heaven, and pour you out a blessing, that there shall not be room enough to receive it.

Under this promised of tithe and God said, "that there shall not be room enough to receive it". Do you understand these promises at all? Since you've been tithing, I expect to see you don't have parking space anymore for blessings of cars, I expected by now, you should not have space (room) for gifts in your house. I expect that you don't have room (space) anymore for private jets, in fact, I expect to hear your name amongst the world's richest and blessed people by now. Why is that not happening if God said so? Or is God now a liar? After all, same God said "and prove me now herewith, saith the LORD of hosts, if I will not open you the windows of heaven, and pour you out a blessing". Friends, God's commanded and biblical kind tithe IS NOT WHAT IS BEING PRACTICED TODAY IN WORSHIP PLACES AND HENCE, THE PROMISED BLESSINGS CANNOT FOLLOW.

zoelife: @Goshen: Hmmmm. Brother, u keep missing my point. Can dis thread serve to clarify this issue? Why don't we meet on another medium, so we can better express. Or if u feel NL is it, see u tmao den.
Cheers!

OLAADEGBU:

It's no surprise why topics like these makes it to the front page. There are two camps. Let's see what camp posters fall into in this passage:

(John 12:1-11).

Which camp do you belong to, Mary's camp or Judas Iscariot's? frosbel has chosen Juda's camp by the OP he posted up there, saying that you should give what belongs to God and give it to the poor. What would you do?

9icetoo:
judas wanted the ointment sold for selfish reasons. He was the cash bearer. He was probably the only one who will ever know how much out of that three hundred the needy will receive. now isnt there a similarity in that with what the pastors do today? have they ever given u an account for the tithes u pay (instead of give)? (arent you even supposed to get receipts for payments? ) . Now christ clearly gave reasons why the womans actions were justified. HE WONT BE WITH THEM FOREVER BUT THE POOR WILL ALWAYS BE! YOUR PASTOR IS NOT CHRIST! THE POOR ARE EVERYWHERE AROUND YOU NOW! GIVE TO THEM!

frosbel:

So it's all about you then ? thanks for confirming.

You do not care where your tithe goes to or what it is used for as far as paying it, to an unknown cause if I may add, brings you material blessings.


I always knew this tithe thing was about , ME mentality and not GOD.

Candour:

That is the crux of the whole matter my brother.explanations abound when you go through the thread.If there are specific concerns,just post and explanations will follow.

I trust i speak on behalf of everybody.

Cheers

Goshen360:

Quit parading and mixing the Old and the New wine to Christians. It's dangerous! The law is holy but it cannot make you holy. You also forget the strength\power of sin is the LAW (1 Corinthians 15:56). Hence, the law is holy but cannot make you holy because it has SIN in it. Malachi 3:8-10 is NOT instituted in Malachi, it was instituted under the law of Moses. Besides and again, Malachi is under the gospel of 'do this' and God will 'do that'. The Old Testament is fulfilled in the New Testament - please move your pulpit from 'mount sinai' where the law was given to 'mount zion' which is in Christ. Malachi threatens with curse, in the New Testament God blesses because of Christ's obedience and we're NOT giving\tithing IN ORDER to blessed but we give BECAUSE WE ARE ALREADY BLESSED by God.

9icetoo:
judas wanted the ointment sold for selfish reasons. He was the cash bearer. He was probably the only one who will ever know how much out of that three hundred the needy will receive. now isnt there a similarity in that with what the pastors do today? have they ever given u an account for the tithes u pay (instead of give)? (arent you even supposed to get receipts for payments? ) . Now christ clearly gave reasons why the womans actions were justified. HE WONT BE WITH THEM FOREVER BUT THE POOR WILL ALWAYS BE! YOUR PASTOR IS NOT CHRIST! THE POOR ARE EVERYWHERE AROUND YOU NOW! GIVE TO THEM!

Bidam:
Goshen360 stop misleading people with this kind of heretical statements..no where in the bible was it written that the law is holy but has sin it.. show me scriptural evidence where the bible said that word for word..i know you deliberately lifted it from the other thread for an argument...ayam waiting.......

zoelife: @Frosbel: its the other way round Bro. They make me rich. It is more blessed to give than to receive.

Joagbaje:

Tell them bro. The way out of poverty is giving. Why didnt Jesus ask the church to donate to the widow but rather he commended her for giving her last mites .
Luke 21:2-4
And he saw also a certain poor widow casting in thither two mites. And he said, Of a truth I say unto you, that this poor widow hath cast in more than they all: For all these have of their abundance cast in unto the offerings of God:but she of her penury hath cast in all the living that she had.

These critics would have crucified Jesus if they were there. For making such heartless comment about a poor widow.How will she feed?

Bidam:
Goshen360 stop misleading people with this kind of heretical statements..no where in the bible was it written that the law is holy but has sin it.. show me scriptural evidence where the bible said that word for word..[/b]i know you deliberately lifted it from the other thread for an argument...ayam waiting.......

Joagbaje:

Tell them bro. The way out of poverty is giving. Why didnt Jesus ask the church to donate to the widow but rather he commended her for giving her last mites .
Luke 21:2-4
And he saw also a certain poor widow casting in thither two mites. And he said, Of a truth I say unto you, that this poor widow hath cast in more than they all: For all these have of their abundance cast in unto the offerings of God:but she of her penury hath cast in all the living that she had.

These critics would have crucified Jesus if they were there. For making such heartless comment about a poor widow.How will she feed?

Zikky:

I did not at anytime state that you should do away with giving a tenth of your income to your 'church'/pastor (afterall na your money), my position is that you cannot preach the giving of specific or FIXED amounts PERCENTAGE as a must because by doing so, you 'legalize' the giving.i.e. Abraham gave not because it was God's law to give. Jacob made a promise to give a tenth of his blessings a freewill giving not driven by any law.

Goshen360:

I hope these tithe teachers and EVERYONE sees the truth in the above revelation of yours (Zikky). However, these tithe teachers are bent on a mission. Everyone reading this thread already knows those lying and those teaching the truth. After all, whatever one gives is always a 'certain' percentage but telling Christians they MUST bring 10% is NOT of Grace based giving but it is a giving driven by the law of Moses and we all know, man is NOT blessed by keeping the law of Moses. Take away the legalized or stipulated and fixed percentage, EVERY GIVING THEN BECOMES A GRACE BASED GIVING. It's as simple as that we've arguing all weeks.

brilapluz:
1 Corinthians 15:56 New International Version
(NIV) 56 The sting of death is sin, and THE POWER OF SIN IS THE LAW!

Joagbaje:

Tell them bro. The way out of poverty is giving. Why didnt Jesus ask the church to donate to the widow but rather he commended her for giving her last mites .
Luke 21:2-4
And he saw also a certain poor widow casting in thither two mites. And he said, Of a truth I say unto you, that this poor widow hath cast in more than they all: For all these have of their abundance cast in unto the offerings of God:but she of her penury hath cast in all the living that she had.

These critics would have crucified Jesus if they were there. For making such heartless comment about a poor widow.How will she feed?

Joagbaje:

Tell them bro. The way out of poverty is giving. Why didnt Jesus ask the church to donate to the widow but rather he commended her for giving her last mites .
Luke 21:2-4
And he saw also a certain poor widow casting in thither two mites. And he said, Of a truth I say unto you, that this poor widow hath cast in more than they all: For all these have of their abundance cast in unto the offerings of God:but she of her penury hath cast in all the living that she had.

These critics would have crucified Jesus if they were there. For making such heartless comment about a poor widow.How will she feed?

zoelife: @christembassey: I wept for you the first time I read ur comments here, and now I weep again. Who exactly is God to you? What does He mean to you. What is your conviction about Him and His plans, thoughts for His children? You mean I shouldn't expect good things from God? As His child?
What proof then would I have to show a physical and materialistic world that I am born of a God who owns all things?

Bidam: he tithed for 2 years expecting returns on investment..when it didn't materialise...he backslidded.