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Re: Foreign Degree & The Nigerian Mentality by mbaemeka(m): 10:37am On Mar 05, 2013 |
@Oga Jarus, I understand where you are coming from and the young lads success story,kudos to him. Here's my point: for every one of your guy(s) story there are about 3 from the otherside of the divide. That's where I'm getting at. For example, you talked about a 2012 recruitment in SHELL. It so happens that I know about 4 people that participated in that recruitment. 2 of them are still waiting to resume after having done their medicals (they both graduated with first class engineering degrees).For the sake of discretion/common sense I would've typed a ladies name that currently works with SHELL that served with them and was retained. During the interview process for the job her contact asked her to send him her SRD number. When it was time for her to make a presentation and answer question from the assessment day exercise she was excused. I mean she didn't do a darn thing but today she works there. I also know or rather I heard of another guy that has been waiting to resume since 2011 (after doing his medicals too). But here is the real poser- why keep all these top engineers: scrutinized and approved by your process on a waiting list only to commence another recruitment process for another year? Does it in anyway infer that their positions have been given out? Also you talked about his(your lads) stint with IPS, working for Oando etc. I remember clearly stating that some form of experience pertinent to the applied job also does help. I didnt say the whole merit thingy has been done away with, far from it! The niggling issue (I dare say) is that the meritorious recruitment has seriously waned. At a more experienced stage the process is quite better but I can assure you at the entry point its worse off. Albeit I believe that Chevron has the least recruitment malfeasance, the magomago is still there. Their facilities recruitment was good but what became of their Petroleum engineering one? After the whole recruitment process they still gave the job to their staff on contract.I have stories about Addax too but they(all the IOC's) are better than AGIP. Those ones won't even advertise sef yet they'd be recruiting people every year. Risible. This is Nigeria! 1 Like |
Re: Foreign Degree & The Nigerian Mentality by Rhino5dm: 10:39am On Mar 05, 2013 |
AjanleKoko: Say what you know, please! What's there is these companies that a brilliant secondary school student can't handle properly? Lemme say this and repeat it again and again, there is nothing scary or big about working in Exxon Mobil or other oil coy. Just a routine, boring and unchallenging task from January to December. Stop making it look as if a 3rd class Nigerian graduate can't handle the task excellently. Wetin be big work for hourly checking and recording the pressure of an in-line process line or sending mails directing field technicians the next date of routine preventing maintenance? My 2 years old son can do that within 30 minutes of telling him what to do. Abeg fashi that side. Not that some people can't get recruited base on merit and all that. But what I hate is lying and denial or trying to start bragging with "yeah, I'm now working with shell, cos I'm the best" when in real na pady pady runs carry you go there. The MNC is turning into family business, where members of family rotate recruitment slots among their siblings. Lemme call some names to buttress my point. Do you know that Demiji Isiaka, Dotun Isiaka and Razak Isiaka are thesame family members working in EXXON MOBIL?, May be na dem sabi book pass wey 3 people and their 4 in-laws will be working in EXXON MOBIL . . . Don't come here to tell me about Exxon Mobil, a place I know like the tip of my dicck. That place is like a family reunion, where members of thesame family work in different department. 8 Likes |
Re: Foreign Degree & The Nigerian Mentality by Nobody: 10:42am On Mar 05, 2013 |
mba emeka: @Oga Jarus, More like 1: 10 Completely agree with all the bolded |
Re: Foreign Degree & The Nigerian Mentality by Slant77: 10:43am On Mar 05, 2013 |
Yea, it's quite easy to just accept that "there are no good jobs out there", but the thing is it depend on you. If you're good and you groom yourself (speak good english, dress for the job you want, LEARN BASIC INTERVIEW SKILLS (this one is very very important) and have the right attitude), the jobs are there. I've seen people (that I knew before "hammering" & still know) who had no connections and did not school abroad, who have gotten good jobs. If you've got yourself a foreign degree, good for you. One good advice - drop the accent , it pisses interviewers off . Every interviewer wants to be sure in his/her mind that you can fit in (and work well in teams made of poeple - who are Nigerians living in Nigeria) |
Re: Foreign Degree & The Nigerian Mentality by Nobody: 10:45am On Mar 05, 2013 |
Encoredme: I don't think it's a miracle. Saying it's a miracle makes it seem like it's some almost impossible thing. When my ATBU guy first came to Lagos and was introduced to me, from my one day interactions with him, I knew this guy had stuff to compete at highest level. So despite his limited exposure pre-Lagos, I knew he was a raw gold, only waiting to be refined by the information mine that is Lagos. He served in Oando (by God's grace, courtesy me, although more of his hardwork, because if he hadn't passed the test, I wouldn't have been able to help). He was able to widen his horizon, serving in corporate Lagos. I'm not surprised Oando, NNPC, Shell and Total all came for him! Ditto for other guys I know that made it into Shell and Chevron. These guys are hot and able to withstand the competition. It's not that rare, except you think Shell will employ 1 million people. They don't need more than 5 commercial and maybe 10 technical entry level positions in a year (where at least 10,000 qualified grads - from home and abroad - are jostling for it) and that's where the competition is. |
Re: Foreign Degree & The Nigerian Mentality by toprealman: 10:46am On Mar 05, 2013 |
InvertedHammer:Are you for real? |
Re: Foreign Degree & The Nigerian Mentality by Rhino5dm: 10:56am On Mar 05, 2013 |
Donxavier: +100 |
Re: Foreign Degree & The Nigerian Mentality by jaybee3(m): 11:03am On Mar 05, 2013 |
Rhino.5dm:Your 2 years old son ain't going to be able to fault-find and provide solutions when things go wrong though. Yes most jobs are repetitive and anyone with an iota of sense should be able to pick up the routine stuff with minimal fuss. |
Re: Foreign Degree & The Nigerian Mentality by mbaemeka(m): 11:13am On Mar 05, 2013 |
I'm in sync with donxavier and rhino.5dm especially on Exxon because I experienced that one first-hand! Working for Exxon or SHELL and co won't help them make the billions of dollars they currently make( they we're making it without you and still would after they don't employ you) so its not like your half class or whatever thrills them. Some that were privileged to have joined the companies earlier on could even do that with a lesser degree. One of my best friends father graduated with a 2'2 but he works with Exxon. Why won't he feel that 'anybody' too can work there? But if he is to pick between me and his son (assuming us both have a first class degree with a foreign degree Msc) you know who he'd select. That's the connection thingy at work. Period. 1 Like |
Re: Foreign Degree & The Nigerian Mentality by Nobody: 11:17am On Mar 05, 2013 |
mba emeka: @Oga Jarus, Good points you made no doubt, but a few further comments on the bolded. 1, Shell usually doesn't have more than 15 (sometimes as low as 10) entry level openings in a year, spread between technical and non-technical (less non-technical). I was part of 2008 exercise (got to final stage - SRD, but didnt attend). One of my friends made it then. He told me about 7 of them made the final cut (for non-technical positions) and there were 4 immediate openings. He was lucky to be among the 4 that resumed immediately. Others were put on waiting list for up to a year before being called. Another friend, made the 2009 exercise, but no immediate opening, so he waited for up to a year before he resumed in November 2011. My ATBU friend has also done medicals since November 2012 and still on waiting list. So tell your friends to be patient. That's how Shell does. They normally take everyone that did very well in their SRD, even when more than they immediately need. Sometimes up to 10 can be successful in a SRD, whereas there are just 5 immediate openings. The backlog was the reason why there no recruitment in 2010. They just called those on their waiting list. I however have another friend that waited on their list (after medicals - which he sneaked into Nigeria from Italy to do while on Saipem training in Milan) but after one year on waiting list, he recieived the unpleasant email of 'sorry blabla'. |
Re: Foreign Degree & The Nigerian Mentality by Rhino5dm: 11:30am On Mar 05, 2013 |
jay bee: The bottom line is the task is never a challenging one. The only thing that kept me going then was the handsome monthly pay check. . .and yes, most of the field task is contracted out to 3rd party companies. T |
Re: Foreign Degree & The Nigerian Mentality by baby124: 11:38am On Mar 05, 2013 |
Rhino.5dm: Shameless father and daughter. Yuck, some girls are crazy and desperate. When the father retires nko? Which shouldn't be too long in the future. Na wa o. |
Re: Foreign Degree & The Nigerian Mentality by AjanleKoko: 11:41am On Mar 05, 2013 |
Okay guys. Here is a real job opportunity for you. If you have five or more years experience in technology sales or presales, and is bilingual in both English and French, send me a PM. I have a business development opportunity I can recommend you for. No kidding. |
Re: Foreign Degree & The Nigerian Mentality by Nobody: 11:50am On Mar 05, 2013 |
AjanleKoko: Okay guys. Bros, make I go learn french. wait for me pls. 1 Like |
Re: Foreign Degree & The Nigerian Mentality by Nobody: 11:52am On Mar 05, 2013 |
Rhino.5dm: ROTFLMAO. Guys don vex o. Naming names |
Re: Foreign Degree & The Nigerian Mentality by Nobody: 11:58am On Mar 05, 2013 |
afroxyz: My problem with all these folks with a foreign degree is that they still have the Naija mentality: 'Looking for a job. Can't you create one? Apart from your foreign degree what else can you offer. It beats me that with all the 'exposure' you get abroad, a foreign degree holder can't create a job, meanwhile they are people do it here in Nigeria. You think the country owes you something because of your foreign accent? Abeg park well. These folks are so quick to point out how the educational system is better, yet they still 'look' fo jobs. Get off your high horse and get something started. ShiekinaSo on point. If you claim to be so highly educated, why not start something, however profitable. |
Re: Foreign Degree & The Nigerian Mentality by mygirrl: 12:00pm On Mar 05, 2013 |
Slant77: Yea, it's quite easy to just accept that "there are no good jobs out there", but the thing is it depend on you. Abeg forget that thing, if you see me dress up for an interview you will think I'm a CEO, I speak very well so its not by that. I can hold very intelligent conversations so stop saying what you don't know |
Re: Foreign Degree & The Nigerian Mentality by GboyegaD(m): 12:00pm On Mar 05, 2013 |
dayokanu: How easy is it for the business to survive considering the bad nature of the society where firms don't compete truly? |
Re: Foreign Degree & The Nigerian Mentality by blackbeau1(f): 12:10pm On Mar 05, 2013 |
Truth be say your village people are involved. Because people with foreign certificate are usually first choice in any employment situation |
Re: Foreign Degree & The Nigerian Mentality by Slant77: 12:23pm On Mar 05, 2013 |
mygirrl: lol. while I don't claim to know it all, how about basic interview skills and your attitude? |
Re: Foreign Degree & The Nigerian Mentality by makizee(m): 12:43pm On Mar 05, 2013 |
FACT : Most Nigerians that get their degrees from foreign universities have this sort of superiority complex, like they could just walk into any company and land a juicy job, well sorry to burst you bubble, that is no longer the case, piece of advise, once u land @ MMIA, drop the accent (fake or otherwise) and become a Nigerian, learn how to relate and humble urself a bit...yeah I know spending all that money isn't easy but u know what, nobody really cares anymore...so do your research and don't believe people promising you jobs (na bobo) and I believe you can still land that job, I know peeps wey no know anybody @ their place of work yet landed the job PS:somebody made mention of how employes would bypass his foreign degree and go for even a third class graduate from a Nigerian University, this is an example of the superiority complex I talked about,apart from this as an insult to a third class or Nigerian University degree holder, some of the most intelligent minds I have come across are third and 2.2 class degree holders and yes from Nigerian Universities...I guess @ the end of the day, you would have to proove you can function in my company because as for me, if u like get your degree from the sun, all that matters is are you the guy am looking for! 3 Likes |
Re: Foreign Degree & The Nigerian Mentality by Nobody: 12:50pm On Mar 05, 2013 |
Look, if you have a Masters degree in ANY SUBJECT, you OUGHT to be able start a thriving enterprise in today's Nigeria. If you can't, it's simply because you've underestimated the value of what you've learned on your course. |
Re: Foreign Degree & The Nigerian Mentality by Nobody: 12:57pm On Mar 05, 2013 |
ROSSIKE: Look, if you have a Masters degree in ANY SUBJECT, you OUGHT to be able start a thriving enterprise in today's Nigeria. If you can't, it's simply because you've underestimated the value of what you've learned on your course. Question: Have you started yours? |
Re: Foreign Degree & The Nigerian Mentality by Chartey(m): 1:11pm On Mar 05, 2013 |
dayokanu:yeeee! "newspapers free readers association". U no go kill person |
Re: Foreign Degree & The Nigerian Mentality by Nobody: 1:11pm On Mar 05, 2013 |
Donxavier: Very soon.. by God's grace |
Re: Foreign Degree & The Nigerian Mentality by otondo55: 1:13pm On Mar 05, 2013 |
Pathetic .....reminds me of my spending on foreign education with no reply on job applications back in naija then. My friends opt for private lecturing as not to waste the knowledge. One must be ready to really get dirty and shabby deals in naija, which i wasnt ready for. That alone can kill the spirit ! Thanks to Almighty God, the source of life! He can do exceedingly all things....its not by power, nor by most read, its the Lord that show mercy. |
Re: Foreign Degree & The Nigerian Mentality by omo9ja1(m): 1:16pm On Mar 05, 2013 |
I click like one thousand times, I strongly agree with you bro few years ago, some of my friends that we studied in UK decide to relocate to Nigeria that they will get a good job but all was wasted effort, I advice them to have a plan B, get your stay here if you want to try Nigeria fine if unsuccessful relocate back to UK quick at least you will be hoping you will get a better job someday. our leaders are the doom for this great country called Nigeria |
Re: Foreign Degree & The Nigerian Mentality by GboyegaD(m): 1:21pm On Mar 05, 2013 |
hardbody: I feel the post and all you guys commenting. I do admit that some foreign degrees are superlative when compared to some Nigerian degrees. However, it does not necessarily follow that head knowledge and experience acquired abroad are always better than their local counterparts. My company, publicly quoted on the Nigerian Stock Exchange, after the consolidation, recruited professionals from UK and US primarily. Some of those guys were earning more than the then MD/CEO. They were coming with Britico expertise to change the industry and teach the local boys how that business is done. 4 years down the line, of the 6 recruited from off shore, only one is remaining in the system, and he is basically doing everything to retain that slot. My point? When you acquire those skill set abroad, use them to impact your environment as your skills must have been taught with the benefit of your locality. Let the mediocre Nigerians as you guys are won't to tag them continue with applying their skills acquired the Nigerian way in Nigeria. Some of us are sick and tired of all these showy display of better quality degree and certificates. As for me ooo, my degrees are not in any way secondary or subservient to another on the same course irrespective of where the other one is obtained. And yes, I am pursuing a PH.d abroad, just because of the certainty in duration of the course not because I feel that the training back home will not be worth it. In all, let us appreciate the little we have and continually build on it. I think one of the challenges the abroad trained have is that our work culture differs from what they are used to. Let me give an example, when I was in one of the banks I worked with, there was a lady that was recruited from JP Morgan who had so many awards for being excellent. Unfortunately, as much as she tried to change her unit and the bank through her unit, everyone felt she was overdemanding and at some points the bank had to sack her despite we all seeing her impact. Bottomline is that most times our work places do not allow those people have the impact they should because of the very bad politics we play, our destructive mentality and above all, our pull down syndrome all because of our inferiority complex. Read through many post and you would sense the bias although not directly implied and until we all come to terms that there is no need for competition but the need to harness each others potential, we are not ready to move forward. 2 Likes |
Re: Foreign Degree & The Nigerian Mentality by AjanleKoko: 1:23pm On Mar 05, 2013 |
Jarus: I tire So it is improbable for these people to have all been recruited on merit? |
Re: Foreign Degree & The Nigerian Mentality by Nobody: 1:32pm On Mar 05, 2013 |
Allow me to drop my 2 cents on this foreign degrees debate. In my present organization, we bought into this obodo oyinbo craze during the boom years of banking and ended up making a lot of terrible recruitment errors (a vast majority of our foreign-degree hires were largely either incompetent,over-paid - often both). More than anything, we learnt to take foreign degrees only at face value - in the end, on the job competence boils down to the individual; no amount of foreign accents or "OMG" gesticulations would change this. I find it hard to understand why holders of foreign degrees with no work experience would aspire for more than entry level - especially in finance. The only peeps that might get a step higher are probably CFA charter-holders and trust me, those positions are few and far between. Sans relevant and quality work experience, trust me, you wont make it past entry level. As for experienced hires, things get easier, but then again, getting a job to an extent also depends on your network in the sense that a great deal of top executives almost always move with their tested and trusted teams. It is not uncommon in banking for say a GM to move to another bank with 6 Senior Managers who in turn move with 3 or 4 junior officers apiece. In the end, the GM's movement would also result in an additional 25 people (minimum) moving to the new bank. And as regards that man-know-man issue, does it happen? Yes it does. But, I stand to be corrected that for the most part,it is minute. YES I SAID IT! I have friends in different industries working in HR. What often happens is that these "special candidates" are granted priority hearing but in the end, who wants to hire a doofus? The days when one Baba can just snap his fingers and get you a job are gradually declining. Do you know how many top shots in Nigeria put calls through to Executives daily? How many can the Executive absorb? Unless its the bloody president, senate president or them IBB dem, its not guaranteed. I have seen CVs from 1st class Obas just sitting in my inbox - story. These days, parents are even lobbying for the 70k jobs for their kids with foreign degrees just so they dont stay idle. Go to LIRS and see how many peeps there have an M.sc from U.K and U.S (on N60k salary ooo). The jobs just aren't there. 2 Likes |
Re: Foreign Degree & The Nigerian Mentality by Nobody: 1:33pm On Mar 05, 2013 |
ROSSIKE: Amen. God help us all Most people I know that left Naija abroad to do masters left cos they couldn't get good jobs after school and went for it soas to boost their chances in the job market. I doubt if they wanted to start businesses. Do you really need to have a masters degree to start an enterprise? I honestly don't think so . Infact, most entrepreneurial dudes don't have paper degrees and all. We left so we could all get good jobs... that's the crux of the matter. And to be honest, not everybody is cut out to be a business owner and for most people they need to work for some years to even manage their own business. Nigeria isn't like the US or Canada where you can start a business right after school or without going to school at all. Imagine a Nigerian graduate that the only work experience had is the 6 months of IT and then teaching for a year during NYSC and then they want the graduate to pioneer a business right out of school. He is not even exposed to the nitty gritty of how business works and how to manage people. What about money? Unless you are Dangote's kid or Padddy Adenuga where will you get the money? I could go on and on and on. I know there are the bill gates and aliko dangotes of this world, but those dudes are the exceptions rather than the rule. What do I need billions of dollars for? Just a decent paying job is enough for most people. Is that too much to expect in a useful country? 1 Like |
Re: Foreign Degree & The Nigerian Mentality by jidewin(m): 1:38pm On Mar 05, 2013 |
coogar: Foreign Degree & The Nigerian RealityBruv,I didn't spend more than 3 mins perusing through before I decided to write this: WELCOME TO REALITY.All those noise "come home,come and make a change,I ask,"with what?" Naija,we are too many in population and that aside,we have more than enough of resources to effectively take care of 300million in population but for where,when oga jona alone dey wack N1billion for food only for one year...just him and his family...so how much will be left for the undergrauates,the graduates and the unemployed,pensioners,in fact I can't conitnue.if you are lucky to get a job after studies abroad in naija,good luck to you...but consider alse the vast majority without connections...hmmmm we need help to sanitize and wipe out the crooks we call Nigerian government. |
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