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Re: Tinubu - FG Practising Voodoo Economic Policy by omonnakoda: 10:40am On Mar 08, 2013
AjanleKoko:

He's referring to the Excess Crude Account, and the newly created SWF.

I hope so but .....,.,

AjanleKoko:

This is real countryman under-the-bridge analysis.
Did Tinubu ask them to give him the money? He asked them to spend the gaddem reserves and build infrastructure, which will create jobs, and expand the economy.

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Re: Tinubu - FG Practising Voodoo Economic Policy by slimfit1(m): 10:42am On Mar 08, 2013
In no time, well shortly Okija juju should comment very soon they have a pattern just watch out!!!!!!!!!
Re: Tinubu - FG Practising Voodoo Economic Policy by Goddex: 10:44am On Mar 08, 2013
So, Tinubu's own economics is a Chop Chop Economics (CCE).
Chop all the money like say there is no tomorrow. Worst still, to imagine
that these are the kind of people behind the new party is quite unfortunate.

These same peeps manipulated the governors to presurised th Y'Adua/Jonathan
administration to share our reserve with states and local governments but
were the first to take side with Oby Ezekwesili to pick on Fed when she
complained of a depleting reserve.

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Re: Tinubu - FG Practising Voodoo Economic Policy by PAGAN9JA(m): 10:46am On Mar 08, 2013
I came here for the Voodoo but found none. * dispointed sad

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Re: Tinubu - FG Practising Voodoo Economic Policy by Demdem(m): 10:50am On Mar 08, 2013
Again Asiwaju spoke well.
Re: Tinubu - FG Practising Voodoo Economic Policy by hercules07: 10:52am On Mar 08, 2013
omonnakoda:

I hope so but .....,.,


You do know that the SWF and the excess crude are both reserves, I believe Ajanlekoko just called them by their generic name, I could be wrong sha.
Re: Tinubu - FG Practising Voodoo Economic Policy by nkemKalu: 10:52am On Mar 08, 2013
Symphony007: Gladly your words mr.tinubu are extremely inconsequential because this voodoo economics you speak of has made nigeria the second largest economy in africa and projected to be first by 2020. You're entitled to your own opinion but not to your own facts, these are the facts and your opinion is just plain nonesense!
....I WILL SIMPLY CALL U EWU FERNANDA PO COS WORDS SUCH AS 'WE ARE THE LARGEST ECONOMY IN AFRICA' DOES NOT PROVE ANY POINT. THIS IS SIMPLE ECONOMICS THAT TINUBU IS TALKING ABOUT. ANYWAY, MAY BE, U READ PHILOSOPHY OR IGBO/B.K IN SCHOOL AND U DON'T UNDERSTAND THE SIMPLE LOGIC OF ECONOMICS SO NO NEED TO EVEN ARGUE WITH U
Re: Tinubu - FG Practising Voodoo Economic Policy by omonnakoda: 10:56am On Mar 08, 2013
hercules07:

You do know that the SWF and the excess crude are both reserves, I believe Ajanlekoko just called them by their generic name, I could be wrong sha.


I don't engage in meaningless argummets. When you or any of your incarnations miss the mark just admit an error and we move on

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Re: Tinubu - FG Practising Voodoo Economic Policy by oddy4real(m): 10:58am On Mar 08, 2013
jas_o: Anti-Tinubu, please read below and make meaning to your life.

I stand before you today not as the national leader of the ACN or a member of the APC. I’m not here as Asiwaju, a former Senator, or a former Governor. Today, I rest these titles.

Thus, I stand before you simply as Bola Ahmed Tinubu, a Nigerian, who has dedicated most of his adult life to the progress of this nation. For this, I offer no apology. Come hell, come high water, I am a Nigerian. Come torrential rain or sunshine, drought or flood, increase or decrease, help or hindrance, I shall remain what I am, a Nigerian. Because of this, you are my people.

Whether from North, South, East or West, we are all branches of the same tree. Whether in the same or different political parties, we are members of the same national family. Whether from the same or a different religion, you are of me and I am of you. For the love for Nigeria, for the love of Africa and for the best future of our nation I co-authored this book with our African-American brother, Brian Browne.

Now permit me to tell you a bit about this intellectual journey upon which we embarked.

The most significant economic event of the past seventy years was the 2008 financial downturn.
Assessing the vast wreckage caused by this Great Recession, we concluded the downslide was not the normal churning of the business cycle. Something more sinister that posed a grave danger to Nigeria’s political economy was afoot. If we allow things to continue as they are, that political economy will become a distorted, top-heavy edifice incapable of maintaining its balance.

Increasingly small elite will grow wealthy and powerful beyond decent measure. The middle class will atrophy into nonexistence while the vast pool of our citizens will be shackled to a lifetime of misery, and sour destitution.

Gone will be the chance of broad prosperity and economic justice. Fleeing with it will be the hope of political democracy. As long as I live I will not walk silently beside her as Nigeria steers this bleak path. I will talk, shout, and even set myself down to write a book or a library of books if that is what it takes to awaken our people to the economic dangers that we have so assumed mindlessly.

The global economy had become unbalanced and it has unbalanced our national economic architecture. We are told that we live in an age of capitalism. If only that were true, things would not be so bad. We live in a time where capitalism has been consumed by a more virulent ideology. That ideology we deem as “financialism.”
Certainly, capitalism has many blemishes. Its historic imperfections have caused misery and pain across the globe. An inadequately regulated free market has on too many occasions ground poor and weak individuals and nations into dust.

Without appropriate government intervention, capitalism can become a predator devouring those it purports to enrich. Yet, capitalism must be credited as a medium that produced unprecedented, albeit unequal, levels of global wealth and prosperity. The task before us should be how to make the positive reality overcome the more negative aspects of this complex system.

However, the current challenge is far more acute and dramatic. We are compelled to do more than brighten capitalism’s image. We are left to save it from its financialist offspring intent on burying it.
What is now practiced is not capitalism. It is something meaner but less productive. Something that intensifies the gap between rich and poor. This is a worldwide phenomenon even in Britain inequality has reverted back to the level of 1920 before the welfare state came in -the situation must be even more precarious in Nigeria. Capitalism is now Something that unduly rewards those who earn their keep through the shuffling of financial paper yet unduly punishes those who earn their way through the sweat and travails of true and honest labor.
No, this is not capitalism. It is a cannibalistic offspring all too ready and willing to devour the parent that birthed it.

Under capitalism, the financial sector was adjunct to the real sector. The financial sector served as the circulatory system, efficiently allocating funds to the most productive agents within the real or manufacturing sector in order to keep that sector vibrant. Such vibrancy generates employment for the bulk of the people. High levels of employment give birth to stability and a standard of living conducive to democratic aspirations.
This complementary scenario no longer exists. The financial sector no longer is satisfied with being the branch. To a large degree, it has assumed the role of the tree and its trunk. The financial sector no longer complements the real sector. It has grown too large in comparison. Its appetite is ceaseless and grows with the eating. Instead of feeding funds to the real sector, it now chokes the real sector. Leaving many otherwise productive people and companies struggling to draw water from an empty well.

Under capitalism, the financial sector invested in production of tangible goods. Today, the financial sector specializes in financial investment. Having become insatiable, it rather invests in itself than invest in the rest of the economy so that other sectors prosper with it. Financial speculation used to be the province of a small set of risk takers. Today, it is the fad.

Cautious and prudent bankers were once sentinels of the financial sector. Things are different under financialism. Caution has been tossed to the four winds as the economy was tossed to the wolves. The banker who keeps his wits to function in the best traditions of banking is the exception. I salute those men and women who honor their professional tenets while others turned esteemed financial houses into lax casinos. However, their demonstrations of individual propriety proved insufficient to halt the systemic distortion that occurred.
Today, we have a big problem.

Making money not tangible goods that improve our standard of living has become the overriding economic objective. Funds should be used to fuel industrial production and generate employment leading to broadly shared prosperity. Instead funds are incessantly recycled within the financial sector, creating huge nominal profits for a select few. The great nominal wealth is unconnected to economic fundamentals and has little bearing on the welfare of the average person. The more attractive this nominal wealth, the more money flows to and remains within the financial sector which produced this entrapping mirage. The mirage of nominal wealth thus expands and deceives more of us while the real economy staggers about like a starving man who searches for crumbs on the floor of an empty banquet hall.

In Nigeria today, with our lack of vital infrastructure, the absence of a concrete industrial policy and with the paucity of long-term funding to fuel the real sector, we ask the economy to do the impossible. It’s like attempting to draw water from an empty well.

These points are not just topics of abstract observation. They are our real world problems. Financialism has crippled the developed economies so much so that they remain deep in serial financial crises. If a financialist modeling of the economy turns developed economies into hollow images of themselves, what shall it wrought in our economy that has never developed or industrialized?
As such, this book is an honest warning against the impending dangers of the encroaching financialism.

Yet the book does more than warn. We sought to identify a few safety exits from the burning building. The book offers important recommendations on how to reclaim our economic destiny.
For example, the accumulation of money by the federal government is a misplaced objective for these times. We have about $46 billion dollars in foreign reserves earning about one or two per cent while we have about $42 billion dollars in domestic debt which government is paying up to 16 per cent on. This makes no sense, and it crowds out private sector borrowers and investors our driving purpose must be to channel idle human and material capacity into productive streams that furnish jobs and manufacture tangible goods bettering the living conditions of every citizen.

I believe in the national government saving money if savings is for a purpose other than itself. For a government that prints its own currency, to save that currency for merely for saving’s sake is to accumulate worthless paper. Instead, our money must catalyze development enriching the broadest spectrum of people. To say we are saving money for a rainy day while everyone is already drenched and wading through flood waters makes little sense to me.

We must shun the philosophy that says “better to save money and spend the people.” I say better to spend money and save people.
We must reform our economy. To do this, we must first reform our philosophy about the economic development. What I advocate is not starry-eyed socialism. I seek clear-eyed yet progressive capitalism. Here are just a handful of key things we must do.

1. We must reform the financial sector so that it becomes an effective artery that sends funds to the heart of the real sector once again.

2. The national government must formulate a national industrial policy focuses on developing labor intensive industries. This is not textbook capitalism but we do not live in a textbook. This is how the United States developed under Alexander Hamilton’s “American System” and how modern China reached spectacular growth.

3. We must restructure our educational system to prepare our youth for the present challenges of this economy and not educate them in a manner more appropriate for another land.

4. We need to overhaul our agricultural system and put in place a price support mechanism so that those who toil the land and who feed us do not go continuously poorer the more they toil. We must establish commodity exchange boards exclusively for farmers which will go a long way to support them and provide agricultural pricing support mechanisms and consequently enhance food security.

The challenge before our nation today is how to protect millions who toil the land, ensure they make reasonable returns and boost agricultural production. Instead of stealing from our children and stealing the pension fund of the retired; this government must answer the moral call of providing one meal per day for our school children up to high school level. Feeding our children will improve nutritional intake and work better for their educational development. Ultimately, it will eliminate child abuse and take the children off our streets.

The demand for farm products to feed the pupils will be a catalyst to generate demand, create wealth, elevate production of agricultural goods and fuel associated industrial growth. The establishment of these activity and small scale agro-industries will generate significant employment in our rural areas.

5. We need to provide primary health care, taking it upon ourselves to fight malaria so that our children can develop properly and our labor force becomes more productive as it grows healthier.

In the final analysis, our development rests with us. Foreign investment is welcome but will not lead us to prosperity. Foreign investment may repair a room or two, but it can never build the mansion we seek.
We cannot blindly follow the advice of others. In thoughtless adherence to their own economic myths, the developed economies have led themselves astray in some instances. Their present counsel can do no better for us than it has done for them. Should we continue to listen to their false counsel, we will gain nothing of it because it would nothing more than attempting to draw water from the empty well.

We have the ability and knowledge to forge our own way. We must base our approach on empirical fact not subjective theory. We must examine what has worked in other places then adjust these truths to the situation at hand. We needn't reinvent the wheel but we must be mindful not to be fooled when a stranger tells us that a round stone is the wheel we need.
Let us give our productive sector drive, purpose and vitality so that it puts the vast army of idle people and material assets to work.
In this way, we safeguard internal security because a prosperous nation is no longer a danger unto itself. In this way, we safeguard democracy because a productive work force and strong middle class are better guarantors of democracy than any military can ever be. On the other hand, a poor and idle population is a factory of inequality. In the throes of such inequality, despotism finds ample harvest.

In this manner, we give to every Nigerian whether from north or south; whether PDP or APC; Progressive or Conservative a chance for a better life. In this way, I can stand before you or anywhere else on this planet as a Nigerian without recourse to my title or position yet stand duly proud of what we have achieved and of the life we have forged for ourselves. For this solemn reason, I helped write this book. For this solemn reason, I urge that you take it upon yourselves to read it. Thank you for listening.
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And the moral of the story is?
Re: Tinubu - FG Practising Voodoo Economic Policy by hercules07: 11:07am On Mar 08, 2013
omonnakoda:
I don't engage in meaningless argummets. When you or any of your incarnations miss the mark just admit an error and we move on

Mo gbe, Ki la gbe ki la ju, we dey fight? The error was that of Ajanlekoko and I was just trying to see things from his point of view, bros take am easy o, I am not on Nairaland to be insulted, to think that I had even commended you in private on your postings.
Re: Tinubu - FG Practising Voodoo Economic Policy by omonnakoda: 11:14am On Mar 08, 2013
hercules07:

Mo gbe, Ki la gbe ki la ju, we dey fight? The error was that of Ajanlekoko and I was just trying to see things from his point of view, bros take am easy o, I am not on Nairaland to be insulted, to think that I had even commended you in private on your postings.
Clearly you are a very sensitive boy with esteem issues. Where is the insult? I have not insulted anyone however if you are too sensitive to deal with robust responses you are in the wrong place. You quoted me first and I gave a firm response. I do not even understand why you interjected yourself into my path.
There is A BIG COINCIDENCE that $42 billion was the only figure mentioned in the article which is the same as FOREIGN RESERVE figure now. The SWF is $1 billion so let us not kid ourselves .The ECA varies but is nowhere near $42 billion. How can we conclude that he was talking about anything other than foreign reserve

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Re: Tinubu - FG Practising Voodoo Economic Policy by hercules07: 11:24am On Mar 08, 2013
omonnakoda:
Clearly you are a very sensitive boy with esteem issues. Where is the insult? I have not insulted anyone however if you are too sensitive to deal with robust responses you are in the wrong place. You quoted me first and I gave a firm response. I do not even understand why you interjected yourself into my path.

Kai, me a boy, see insult ooooo. Nairaland is a public forum, we can all comment on threads but we need to do it maturely, statements such as meaningless arguments and calling someone you have never met a boy is insultive, my response was even based on the fact that I have seen several of Ajanlekoko's posts and I knew he was referring to the SWF, I even qualified my statement. Please take it easy, you are taking this exchange too far.
Re: Tinubu - FG Practising Voodoo Economic Policy by bubadaniel13: 11:32am On Mar 08, 2013
Symphony007: Gladly your words mr.tinubu are extremely inconsequential because this voodoo economics you speak of has made nigeria the second largest economy in africa and projected to be first by 2020. You're entitled to your own opinion but not to your own facts, these are the facts and your opinion is just plain nonesense!
No mind the Bush man,wht value has he added to the the country apart from criticism and rebellion, its just amazing how everybody is becoming an author everyday,i just wonder what point he is trying to make....Tinubu is not someone we should serious given his antecedence.
Re: Tinubu - FG Practising Voodoo Economic Policy by Nobody: 11:35am On Mar 08, 2013
grin grin grin grin grin grin. Tinubu will introduce vandalism economic policy if he gets his way.

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Re: Tinubu - FG Practising Voodoo Economic Policy by ehis00(m): 11:56am On Mar 08, 2013
jmslimx:

when people like you comment i shake my head because you are stupid , you just go through lines .. i hope you understand what capitalism means .. fool.. Move over when you dont know what to comment just read.. if you read my lines properly you would understand what i mean .. as you are lazy to understand the words typed in here
Re: Tinubu - FG Practising Voodoo Economic Policy by Delafruita(m): 12:07pm On Mar 08, 2013
bubadaniel13: No mind the Bush man,wht value has he added to the the country apart from criticism and rebellion, its just amazing how everybody is becoming an author everyday,i just wonder what point he is trying to make....Tinubu is not someone we should serious given his antecedence.

did you seriously ask what value asiwaju has added to this country?
Re: Tinubu - FG Practising Voodoo Economic Policy by Standing5(m): 12:17pm On Mar 08, 2013
oddy4real: Mr Ojuyobo, how would that prevent your 'APC' (Another Problem Coming) from being given 'dog-gy' by GEJ in the 2015 General Elections?
Are you implying that what we have in place is a problem already?
Re: Tinubu - FG Practising Voodoo Economic Policy by Standing5(m): 12:34pm On Mar 08, 2013
AjanleKoko:

This is real countryman under-the-bridge analysis.
Did Tinubu ask them to give him the money? He asked them to spend the gaddem reserves and build infrastructure, which will create jobs, and expand the economy.
Does it make sense to you to sit at home drinking garri, and you have money in the bank?

A poor nation by all indices, maintaining a sovereign wealth fund, while begging everybody and their uncle to bring funds and invest in Nigeria. I'm not too sure the value of the naira being propped up serves the nation as much as we might think. Maybe a devaluation is just what we need to curb our appetite for importation.

Okay oh undecided

Thanks alot. It is like a partnership between A and B, where A and B both lend out their money(equal amount) to one each other and one is happy to make 16% of what the other makes off him.
Instead of engaging the Human beings the government is all about in productive activities we have the populace idling away while a corrupt few corner our lopsided "National fixed deposit".
Re: Tinubu - FG Practising Voodoo Economic Policy by Nobody: 12:40pm On Mar 08, 2013
ndu_chucks:

Err, this first sentence of the above quote shows lack of understanding of certain monetary policies and principles. The money being "accumulated" by the Feds is necessary to support our foreign exchange. As soon as you deplete the reserves, the Naira could go as low as $1 = N1000 overnight. Nigeria's currency is not supported by certain predetermined commodities and/or precious metals which could enable anyone to determine its daily value, neither is it pegged against the dollar or even the yuan.

I agree with the second sentence but we can't simply spend the reserves to accomplish this.

BTW: Ojuyobo's book is a great read.

Not entirely true.

Let me ask you simple question...what would happen to the economy and the Naira exchange rate if today and for the next six months the price of our main Forex earner ...Crude oil drops to say $25/barrel (God forbid you say?), you will spend that your accumulated reserve to finance the goods that you can otherwise produce in your country but presently imports and your exchange rate will shut through the roof top.

So let me tell you that it's not your accumulated Forex reserve that is presently guaranteeing your relative exchange rate stability but the continue pumping of crude at a good price.

One of the thing Ashiwaju is saying in essence is rather than put the external reserve just for the sake of saving sake..why not pump it into the real economy..that would lead to a win-win situation both for the government and the citizens.

By producing more goods within your country...you are diversifying the economy, generating more employment...reducing the pressure on your Naira..building you GDP..and making the economy overall more healthy.

That to me is what guarantees your currency strength and not just the accumulation of reserves.....reserves on it own won't be forced, it will happen naturally when you don't have the need to spend it on too much imports.

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Re: Tinubu - FG Practising Voodoo Economic Policy by bowtie(m): 12:42pm On Mar 08, 2013
(1)politic is a game of intellectuals not a game of mumu.wat mr tinubu said is tru,if w luk it tru other way.last year subcidy was removed,now subcidy is no dere any more,we cant see wat d money is use 4.nobody tins abt it after dat stupid strike (2)d total budget prepared last year was #4.39trillion,in dis year it jump from dat figure 2 #11.somtin trillion.wat is d out come.w go on strike notin coms out of it.
Re: Tinubu - FG Practising Voodoo Economic Policy by HyeBits: 12:43pm On Mar 08, 2013
The strength of a Nation is defined by the strength of its economy and its soldiers, their tools and trainings. The problem with this country is a lame mind that can't stand a constructive argument on a grand rational and scientific inquiry. The bearing of people on this forum is the reflection of Nigerian society at large. Foreign Reserve as the International Investment position of Nigeria should be manage to define the economy position of our nation. What use is a father that has load of money and other reserve in bank but fail to train his children? No future for a country that grows its economy but neglect its human resources and infrastructure. My position is not no-savings economy but not any savings that put the future economy growth in jeopardy.
Re: Tinubu - FG Practising Voodoo Economic Policy by omonnakoda: 12:50pm On Mar 08, 2013
hercules07:

Kai, me a boy, see insult ooooo. Nairaland is a public forum, we can all comment on threads but we need to do it maturely, statements such as meaningless arguments and calling someone you have never met a boy is insultive, my response was even based on the fact that I have seen several of Ajanlekoko's posts and I knew he was referring to the SWF, I even qualified my statement. Please take it easy, you are taking this exchange too far.

If you feel insulted by being called a boy then really you have no business on the internet and need to do some soul-searching about your self esteem. There is an issue somewhere.
I did not speak to you directly in the first instance .It was the other way round. With all the respect I can find and borrow your argument that Excess crude and SWF are "RESERVES" was tangential and in that context "meaningless". I did not say you are meaningless so do not take it personal. That is the way the English language is used and has a different culture to African languages. If you are accused of speaking "rubbish" and take that as an insult as many Yorubas probably would then perhaps you should confine yourself to a Yoruba Language forum.

The substance of your post was that Ajanlekoko "called" SWF and ECA accounts reserves= GENERIC NAME. Sir that is absolute nonsense! He was responding to the article and at no point was that even remotely suggested. As such for me to engage you you in what ultimately has become a meaningless argument is a waste of time.

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Re: Tinubu - FG Practising Voodoo Economic Policy by Dpeacemaker101: 12:51pm On Mar 08, 2013
oddy4real: Mr Ojuyobo, how would that prevent your 'APC' (Another Problem Coming) from being given 'dog-gy' by GEJ in the 2015 General Elections?
. This Tinubu is on a wild goose chase, with his thoughts and ideas.
Re: Tinubu - FG Practising Voodoo Economic Policy by HyeBits: 12:55pm On Mar 08, 2013
ilugunboy:

Not entirely true.

Let me ask you simple question...what would happen to the economy and the Naira exchange rate if today and for the next six months the price of our main Forex earner ...Crude oil drops to say $25/barrel (God forbid you say?), you will spend that your accumulated reserve to finance the goods that you can otherwise produce in your country but presently imports and your exchange rate will shut through the roof top.

So let me tell you that it's not your accumulated Forex reserve that is presently guaranteeing your relative exchange rate stability but the continue pumping of crude at a good price.

One of the thing Ashiwaju is saying in essence is rather than put the external reserve just for the sake of saving sake..why not pump it into the real economy..that would lead to a win-win situation both for the government and the citizens.

By producing more goods within your country...you are diversifying the economy, generating more employment...reducing the pressure on your Naira..building you GDP..and making the economy overall more healthy.

That to me is what guarantees your currency strength and not just the accumulation of reserves.....reserves on it own won't be forced, it will happen naturally when you don't have the need to spend it on too much imports.

Thanks for the response, it's indeed academic. We need tell those that believe external reserve make a country great to dissuade from such a fallacy. My position reads that country reserve (external) can't be forced but grow as the economy becomes healthy. An economy can grow and at the same time unhealthy. This is the case with the current economy in Nigeria.

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Re: Tinubu - FG Practising Voodoo Economic Policy by omonnakoda: 12:59pm On Mar 08, 2013
Let me explain to those who are old enough to remember. In 1984 a bottle of coke was 30 kobo and in 1986 it was 50kobo. I don't know exactly what it is today but I guess it is about 50 naira.

That is what happens when Government spends or more accurately (plunders) the Foreign reserves which are essentially the savings of every one. Those people who do not understand what Foreign reserves are should be silent and stop making noise. Once again Foreign reserves are Not Government Savings but the underlying value to the naira in your pocket. If you place an object in front of a mirror you observe a reflection. The naira in your pocket is a reflection of the foreign reserve. If government spends it that "reflection" or image disappears and the naira is literally just PAPER.

This idea of Pump it into the economy just displays profound Ignorance of how currency money works or what it is. I suggest a study in the basics of Currency to those saying this as well as a study in the Job of CENTRAL BANKS and what they do. Foreign reserves belong to the CENTRAL BANK whose job is to ensure that people trade with money and NOT by barter. It is amazing that people go to school and have no idea what money/currency really is or how it works.

Now,it is possible for a country to survive without foreign reserves or even Negative foreign reserves but such a country cannot live on imports as we do importing rice,fish,chicken,drinks etc and producing next to nothing apart from oil for export. America does it but is a unique case and we would need a new thread to discuss all the nuances of that. Nigerians have developed such an appetite for imported goods that we just cannot do it without great suffering.

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Re: Tinubu - FG Practising Voodoo Economic Policy by maclatunji: 1:07pm On Mar 08, 2013
gramci: See this "toronto" degree holder teaching economics cheesy

And making sense whilst at it.
Re: Tinubu - FG Practising Voodoo Economic Policy by Nobody: 1:07pm On Mar 08, 2013
omonnakoda: Let me explain to those who are old enough to remember. In 1984 a bottle of coke was 30 kobo and in 1986 it was 50kobo. I don't know exactly what it is today but I guess it is about 50 naira.

That is what happens when Government spends or more accurately (plunders) the Foreign reserves which are essentially the savings of every one. Those people who do not understand what Foreign reserves are should be silent and stop making noise. Once again Foreign reserves are Not Government Savings but the underlying value to the naira in your pocket. If you place an object in front of a mirror you observe a reflection. The naira in your pocket is a reflection of the foreign reserve. If government spends it that "reflection" or image disappears and the naira is literally just PAPER

The underlying operative word there is plunder....because it has happened over time in the past...we still don't trust our government to do the right thing with our collective and commonwealth because as you rightly said...it will be plunder.

But let assume for the sake of it...that the money is judiciously utilized in the best interest of all to stimulate real economic growth...don't you think that external savings will happen by default?

We are forcing our self to save money..and not that we are in a healthy economic position to save money.

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Re: Tinubu - FG Practising Voodoo Economic Policy by Nobody: 1:08pm On Mar 08, 2013
"believe in the national government saving money if savings is for the a purpose other than itself. For a government that prints its own currency, to save that currency for merely saving’s sake is to accumulate worthless paper. Instead, our money must catalyse development enriching the broadest spectrum of people. To say we are saving money for a rainy day while everyone is already drenched and wading through flood waters makes little sense to me.”

TINUBU, U TALK THIS ONE ABEG. NIGERIANS ARE ON THEIR FEET WITH THUNDEROUS APPLAUSE. U FINISH WORK MY GUY. PLS TEACH THEM COMMON SENSE EVEN WHEN THEY HIRED THE WORLD BEST ECONOMICS AS ADVISERS. HOW CAN U BE OWING AND PAYING INTEREST TO THE TUNE OF 16% WHEREAS U HAVE MONEY SOMEWHERE THAT GENERATES A GOD FORSAKEN 2%. UNA SEE SAY THOSE IN THE SEAT OF POWER NO GET SENSE?
Re: Tinubu - FG Practising Voodoo Economic Policy by hercules07: 1:14pm On Mar 08, 2013
omonnakoda:

If you feel insulted by being called a boy then really you have no business on the internet and need to do some soul-searching about your self esteem. There is an issue somewhere.
I did not speak to you directly in the first instance .It was the other way round. With all the respect I can find and borrow your argument that Excess crude and SWF are "RESERVES" was tangential and in that context "meaningless". I did not say you are meaningless so do not take it personal. That is the way the English language is used and has a different culture to African languages. If you are accused of speaking "rubbish" and take that as an insult as many Yorubas probably would then perhaps you should confine yourself to a Yoruba Language forum.

The substance of your post was that Ajanlekoko "called" SWF and ECA accounts reserves= GENERIC NAME. Sir that is absolute nonsense! He was responding to the article and at no point was that even remotely suggested. As such for me to engage you you in what ultimately has become a meaningless argument is a waste of time.

I actually qualified my statement as regards his intention, I suggest you chill, you are taking this too serious.
Re: Tinubu - FG Practising Voodoo Economic Policy by omonnakoda: 1:15pm On Mar 08, 2013
ilugunboy:

The underlying operative word there is plunder....because it has happened over time in the past...we still don't trust our government to do the right thing with our collective and commonwealth because as you rightly said...it will be plunder.

But let assume for the sake of it...that the money is judiciously utilized in the best interest of all to stimulate real economic growth...don't you think that external savings will happen by default?

We are forcing our self to save money..and not that we are in a healthy economic position to save money.

Sir I do not think you understand what you are talking about. I do not mean any offence or to be disrespectful so please do not take it like that. I suggest you try and study for about two hours what foreign reserves are. Your reference to "the money" demonstrates that clearly. Spending foreign reserves is equal to compulsory acquisition of your citizen's savings That is what I mean by plunder NOT how it is spent. The money DOES NOT BELONG TO GOVERNMENT. If you cannot grasp that there is no basis for discussion.
Re: Tinubu - FG Practising Voodoo Economic Policy by Nobody: 1:19pm On Mar 08, 2013
omonnakoda:

Sir I do not think you understand what you are talking about. I do not mean any offence or to be disrespectful so please do not take it like that. I suggest you try and study for about two hours what foreign reserves are. Your reference to "the money" demonstrates that clearly. Spending foreign reserves is equal to compulsory acquisition of your citizen's savings That is what I mean by plunder NOT how it is spent. The money DOES NOT BELONG TO GOVERNMENT. If you cannot grasp that there is no basis for discussion.

I think you are the one making this thing look like rocket science...it's not as complicated as what you are painting it and I will also suggest you don't act as if your argument is superior...that is not how to learn.

We can always disagree to agree.

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Re: Tinubu - FG Practising Voodoo Economic Policy by omonnakoda: 1:20pm On Mar 08, 2013
hercules07:

I actually qualified my statement as regards his intention, I suggest you chill, you are taking this too serious.
You are the one that needs to chill. Who is feeling insulted because he was called a boy? Guy abeg!

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