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Share Your European Living Experience by chinani(f): 12:37am On May 14, 2006
I am trying to find a job in Europe. Can anyone please tell me about different European cities. For instance, where do you live? Are there any fitness gyms? Africans? Nigerians? Are hairdressers available? Hair braiders?

For instance, what do you think of Luxembourg? Or Italy? Specifically Rome? Is Paris or Brussels worth the expense?

Any assistance would be appreciated.
Re: Share Your European Living Experience by DaHitler(m): 12:47am On May 14, 2006
I wish I could help you, but I don't know much about Europe. Have you tried living in America? There are plenty of Nigerian communities around here. Also, the African Americans use and provide similar hairdressers/hair styles as Nigerians.
Re: Share Your European Living Experience by mochafella(m): 12:49am On May 14, 2006
Afeni:

Have you tried living in America? There are plenty of Nigerian communities around here. Also, the African Americans use and provide similar hairdressers/hair styles as Nigerians.

erm, I suspect she does live here. cheesy
Re: Share Your European Living Experience by chinani(f): 1:04am On May 14, 2006
@Afeni
I live in Houston, TX aka The Nigerian captial of the US! smiley smiley smiley j/k But it's a close 2nd. Thanks though.

@Mochafella
wink
Re: Share Your European Living Experience by LoverBwoy(m): 3:56am On May 14, 2006
I am trying to find a job in Europe
oh my ,  u better stay there,  what kind of job u looking for in europe thats not in the u.s > except u just want a change , i suggest u try another state  grin
if its U.N, E.U, women liberation then kewl  grin plenty of spaces

Are there any fitness gyms? Africans? Nigerians? Are hairdressers available? Hair braiders?

oh no!! not fitness gyms at all-  shocked they don't serve Super Sized McChiken Premier Meal so people don't really use gyms  cheesy n plus they walk their cats n dog twice a day so thats enough exercise  cool

Plenty of hairdressers around - starting from 60euros

there are no nigerians in europe!!>> i think u really should  explain what u mean by europe, remember that island in western europe,with a city called london?? thats europe too i think

better still modify the topic: eastern europe  grin
Re: Share Your European Living Experience by OldGlory1(m): 4:45am On May 15, 2006
@Chinani

Noooo! say it ain't so. Why would you want to move to Europe? Europe is so damn expensive and life is rough out there. Rome and Paris are brutal cities for immigrants. I am sorry except you have Immigration/Status Issues, i suggest you take Loverbwoy's advice and change your state. Please rethink moving to Europe. I think you can do better here in the US. But if that is really what you want to do, i hope Nigerians in Europe can give you true advice/guidance. I suggest you do a "Test Run" or "Dry run" before you pick up and move. Think of the Language barriers, anti-immigrant policies, very high cost of living and the socialist system of government that can sometimes be very slow and depressing.

But like you always say,"To each his own". Beef aside, think hard on this one.
Re: Share Your European Living Experience by mochafella(m): 4:54am On May 15, 2006
Old Glory:

Why would you want to move to Europe? Europe is so damn expensive and life is rough out there. Rome and Paris are brutal cities for immigrants. Please rethink moving to Europe.

erm, I suspect its a temporary thing. Sounds like someone wants to get away from the folks for a minute, but then I may be wrong.

chinani:

But it's a close 2nd.
What's No. 1?
NY?
D.C.?
LA? *I already know its not LA*
Re: Share Your European Living Experience by chinani(f): 5:03am On May 15, 2006
@LoverBwoy
Aren't there any litter boxes in Europe? LOL! I don't think I'm cut out for Eastern Europe - it's rougher than Nigerian lipsrsealed But I do want to know about places that aren't London. I feel like I can find out about London & the hotspots anywhere so I was hoping that someone can tell me about the lesser known localities etc. Thanks for the reply. smiley

@OldGlory
You have a point. I am worried about the expense but I want to take the opportunity to travel when I'm young, single and childless as I am now. I also want to do something before I start grad school. I'm only planning on being in Europe for 1 year so I figure it can't be too bad. What makes Rome & Paris brutal for immigrants? These are exactly the types of things I want to know (but don't). Oh & I didn't know about the immigrantion police. sad How do you think I can find Nigerians in these cities? Sorry. It's so many questions. Anyway, me thinks you will miss me when I'm gone. wink
Re: Share Your European Living Experience by chinani(f): 6:36am On May 15, 2006
mochafella:

Sounds like someone wants to get away from the folks for a minute, but then I may be wrong.
shocked No comment.

mochafella:

What's No. 1?
NY?
D.C.?
LA? *I already know its not LA*
I think NYC is #1. How's LA? Any Nigerians?
Re: Share Your European Living Experience by mochafella(m): 6:50am On May 15, 2006
chinani:

shocked No comment.
Ah, I see I am correct tongue. Don't worry I won't let your secret out. I'm willing to bet a couple of other things but lipsrsealed

chinani:

I think NYC is #1. How's LA? Any Nigerians?

Not many, the odds of bumping into one on the street are severely limited. That is understandable given that few people walk out here. You will meet them at the Naija restaurants and churches though.
Re: Share Your European Living Experience by OldGlory1(m): 11:42am On May 15, 2006
OK Chinani

I was scared there for a minute. I still think it is a complete waste of time, Do South America and Asia and the Pacific Instead. But about missing you! do not push it. The best way to find out about any place you might spend a year in,is to do a "Test run" of the place for yourself.
Re: Share Your European Living Experience by LoverBwoy(m): 2:36pm On May 15, 2006
i agree with OLD GLORY

you need to actually visit those places, the farther you go from western europe the harsher it becomes, fewer jobs, more hostile, and trust me some have never seen a black person before except for t.v

Rome, paris, spain and co that you'll think will be an ideal society to live in are openly racist!! ahhhh its just another planet on its own in eastern europe  lipsrsealed   lipsrsealed  lipsrsealed

-but goodluck
Re: Share Your European Living Experience by Akolawole(m): 3:14pm On May 15, 2006
Old Glory:

@Chinani

Noooo! say it ain't so. Why would you want to move to Europe? Europe is so damn expensive and life is rough out there. Rome and Paris are brutal cities for immigrants. I am sorry except you have Immigration/Status Issues, i suggest you take Loverbwoy's advice and change your state. Please rethink moving to Europe. I think you can do better here in the US. But if that is really what you want to do, i hope Nigerians in Europe can give you true advice/guidance. I suggest you do a "Test Run" or "Dry run" before you pick up and move. Think of the Language barriers, anti-immigrant policies, very high cost of living and the socialist system of government that can sometimes be very slow and depressing.

But like you always say,"To each his own". Beef aside, think hard on this one.
Re: Share Your European Living Experience by chinani(f): 9:48pm On May 15, 2006
Aren't France & Spain in WESTERN Europe? I mean Africa ends at the Pyrenees right? undecided
Re: Share Your European Living Experience by OldGlory1(m): 9:51pm On May 15, 2006
Yeah France and Spain are in Western Europe. And?
Re: Share Your European Living Experience by chinani(f): 10:01pm On May 15, 2006
Old Glory:

Yeah France and Spain are in Western Europe. And?
I thought someone said otherwise. That's all. No and.
Re: Share Your European Living Experience by LoverBwoy(m): 12:35pm On May 16, 2006
just sayin eastern europe is another planet on its own, but spain n france to be honest are not far off , i mean they are even racist to football ( soccer) players
Re: Share Your European Living Experience by nferyn(m): 12:43pm On May 16, 2006
I'll give you some info on Brussels later this evening today (CET that is). All depends on what your goals are.
Re: Share Your European Living Experience by 1ofall(f): 2:16pm On May 16, 2006
Hi Chinani,
I don’t know how successful you’ll be finding a job in Europe from the US as if you are doing the travelling thing…you’ll be looking for casual jobs…these aren’t often advertised, most people tend to get them as they move around.
Also remember that  EU countries have work permit restrictions- as in America so I don’t know how these would affect you…but I would say don’t plan to live off whatever you earn working…be sure to save enough to at least get by….bear in mind the euro-dollar exchange rate
Most are okay…if you are legal. If not, it can be rough…as anywhere else.
It’s a lot cheaper if you spend the bulk of your time in the less touristy places. You do have to go about with some ID…but as a foreigner that is common sense anyway.
If you are going to non-English speaking countries, try to learn enough of the language to say simple things …(more than likely they will still reply to you in eglish, but they appreciate your effort)
You’ll find fitness gyms…but I’d suggest you keep your money for better things…you can run for free or something along those lines.
There is usually an area with a concentration of Africans (mostly Nigerians) in most of the countries…and there you’ll find braiders, hairdressers, food, etc,
Will you be travelling alone?
Re: Share Your European Living Experience by chinani(f): 3:24am On May 17, 2006
Thank you 1ofall, this is the sort of info I need & want. And Nferyn, I am patiently waiting.

As for my goals, I'd like to learn a language well. Be exposed to art. I prefer cosmopolitan living and big cities though I know they are very expensive. undecided I will be alone. My goals are to take to (a)learn a language (preferable French or Italian), (b)learn TONS about Europe while (c)making observations and doing research for a book I want to write. I know won't have an illustrious job b/c of labor laws, I don't have talents that are in high demand, and I'm not a member of the EU. I am comfortable with this.

My target cities are Paris, Rome and Brussels in no particular order. These are very expensive cities so if someone could mention some other habitual areas, I'd appreciate it. Has anyone lived in Luxembourg? This city is no Paris but it seems peaceful and full of life. As someone mention, there is racism in Europe. This is why I'm trying to find diverse areas. Thank y'all again.
Re: Share Your European Living Experience by nferyn(m): 8:03am On May 17, 2006
chinani:

Thank you 1ofall, this is the sort of info I need & want. And Nferyn, I am patiently waiting.
Your patience will be rewarded (I hope)

chinani:

As for my goals, I'd like to learn a language well. Be exposed to art. I prefer cosmopolitan living and big cities though I know they are very expensive. undecided I will be alone.
Brussels isn't exactly cosmpopolitan like Paris or London, but it is quite diverse for a city of only 1 million people. As far as European capitals go, Brussels is very cheap to live. Rent and average cost of living is far lower than e.g. London, Paris, Stockholm, Amsterdam, although fast moving consumer goods will definitely be more expensive than the US. This is the drawback of our expanded welfare system of (nearly) free healthcare, unemployment benefits, 1 month holidays, etc.

chinani:

My goals are to take to (a)learn a language (preferable French or Italian), (b)learn TONS about Europe while (c)making observations and doing research for a book I want to write.
Brussels is the perfect environent to learn languages. The presence of the EU, Nato, WEU, World Customs Union, loads of lobby groups and multi-national corporations make it a translators heaven.

chinani:

I know won't have an illustrious job b/c of labor laws, I don't have talents that are in high demand, and I'm not a member of the EU. I am comfortable with this.
The thing you need is to get in and get a labor/residence permit. Once you have that, you can aim for a job with one organisations attached to / involved with the big international organisations (mainly lobby groups). Brussels Airport is also constantly looking for people (which are hard to find for reasons I might explain later on) Do no aim any lower, otherwise you'll only find really shitty jobs.

chinani:

My target cities are Paris, Rome and Brussels in no particular order.
Paris: expensive, cultured and posh. If you don't speak French perfectly, you'll have a hard time
Rome: don't really know that much about Rome
Brussels/ I'll give some more in depth info later

chinani:

These are very expensive cities so if someone could mention some other habitual areas, I'd appreciate it.
Brussels isn't that expensive.

chinani:

Has anyone lived in Luxembourg? This city is no Paris but it seems peaceful and full of life.
It's peaceful, expensive (far more than Brussels), small (really small) and extremely dull, but close to Koeln, Brussels, Paris and Amsterdam (for an American at least)

chinani:

As someone mention, there is racism in Europe. This is why I'm trying to find diverse areas. Thank y'all again.
Oh yeah and of a quite nasty kind sometimes, but this also greatly depends on the kind of social environment you would turn up in. If you're content with low level jobs, you'll probably be confronted with a lot of racism. If you could get a higher profile job, especially in Brussels, you will meet very interesting and open people.

More to follow
Re: Share Your European Living Experience by nferyn(m): 2:01pm On May 17, 2006
Belgium in General and Brussels in particular

Belgium has 2 main linguistic/ethnic subgroups, the Walloons (French speaking) and the Flemish (Dutch speaking). Although there is and has been a lot of intermixing and -marriage, those two groups have very distinct cultural identities.

Brussels, the capital of Belgium, is an odd case out. Geographically, it is situated in (or rather surrounded by) Flanders. Linguistically it is in majority french (about 70% french speaking, 10-15% Dutch speaking and another 15-20% speaking other languages). Culturally, the French speaking inhabitants of Brussels are a mixed lot as well, in majority, they are of Flemish descent, but switched to speaking French one or a few generations go, a minority has migrated from the Walloon part of Belgium and another minority is truly bilingual French-Dutch. Culturally, they orientate themselves as much to Paris as they do to Wallonia.

This very peculiar cultural/linguistic situation is tied into the history of Belgium as a nation-state. After the defeat of Napoleon Bonaparte, the powers that be in Europe thought that it would be a wise move to limit the powers of France and added the Southern Netherlands to the Netherlands proper. For several reasons (one of them imposing Dutch as the administrative language), this experiment failed and Belgium gained it's independence. In the centuries that the United Netherlands had been separated, the cultural divide between two parts of what once was the United netherlands had grown too large to bridge. The tutalage of Baron De Rothschild (who wasn't very fond of the Dutch ambitions) ensured the viability of the new nation.
During that period (early 19th century), the higher classes all over Europe were using french as a mother tongue to distinguish themselves from the common people. The drive of King William I of the Netherlands to ensure that the country was administred in Dutch did not receive much applause among the Belgian nobility. Even though in the north of the country, almost all common people spoke one or another Dutch dialect, Dutch had not been recognised as a cultural/civilised language by the authorities in the Southern United provinces (Belgium), not by the Spanish overlords, not by the Austrian overlords and certainly not by the French.
At the start of Belgium as a nation, it was clear that it would be organised in a unitarian, uni-lingual, French basis. The impact of the first and second wave of industrialisation on Belgium was enormous. At the end of the 19th century, Belgium was the industrial powerhouse of continental Europe, even though Germany was quickly catching up and overtaking Belgium.
This ensured that the need for adminstrative, white collar labour alse increased and, in view of the state-structure, this meant an increase in French speaking administrative professions. The population of Brussels grew considerably and what was once a Dutch (Flemish dialect) speaking city quickly became more and more french speaking. The introduction of universal free education untill 14 after the end of WWI ensured that this proces of 'frenchification' took up speed.
As a Dutch speaking citizen of Belgium, there was only one option to move up in society: assimilation in the top-layer French culture. This process was been stopped, but there are still cases of discrimination of Dutch speaking people in Brussels. Language is a very touchy subject in Belgium.

To be continued
Re: Share Your European Living Experience by chinani(f): 10:21pm On May 17, 2006
WOW! That's a lot of history. And I thought I knew everything already. embarassed wink I'm waiting for Chapter II.
Re: Share Your European Living Experience by babwilms(m): 1:42pm On May 22, 2006
I would advice you to come to London. Why? Because you will fell like you are in Lagos, lots of Nigerians and enough Nigerian parties every weekend. Jobs are also available, but Nigerians are now migrating to Manchester(3 rd largest city in England) because their are more jobs available their than london, rent is quiet low, plenty to do in manchester (well thats where i study). Racism is low compare to Paris and other cities i've lived in.

Paris is also very lively, its challenging though because of the language, so i would advice you to do few months french language course before going. Lots of Africans, Senegalese, ivorians, camerounians, algerians, tunisians and many more, but Nigerians are not as much as the nationalities lisited above.

Well i'm currently in France on my placement year before going back to the UK, but not in Paris.

I believe London is much better to live in coz you will feel at home.
Re: Share Your European Living Experience by LoverBwoy(m): 1:58pm On May 22, 2006
Because you will fell like you are in Lagos, lots of Nigerians and enough Nigerian parties every weekend

some people esp nigerians for some reason dont like living in areas popuated by nigerians, weird but thats what i notice sad
Re: Share Your European Living Experience by desiree(f): 3:38pm On May 25, 2006
I have had the opportunity to travel some European countries with my family- Spain, France, Germany, Scotland, Ireland and the level of racism is just appalling although there is a significant number of ethnic minorities living there, the integration is just on different level compared to London. It is  more difficult for an Afro-French boy to get a job (any job not even a top paying one) just because his surname says Abdul or something similar, imagine what it would be like for someone who is an immigrant and doesn’t speak French. In Spain you get searched by the police for just sitting down or playing with your siblings in the park, imagine and they call it random searches and you see white people in the same park getting no hassle. I’m not saying it does not happen elsewhere too!!!

Those European cities have their positives and negatives and just ideal for tourism and gap year travel ie travel round, learn the language and culture and meet new people because if we were all worried about the level of integration/racism there, we will simply sit in the UK (London) or US for the rest of our lifes and not know what is happening in the rest of the world. I was surprised to hear an American girl once asking what language they spoke in England –duh. You tell them u live in the UK and the ask if u know the Queen personally.
Re: Share Your European Living Experience by QueenAnais(f): 12:39am On Oct 07, 2008
U can come to Canada, lots of nigerians too, if you choose Ottawa, u'll be at the border with Quebec, therefore able to have french and english speaking ppl, not that many nigerians in Ottawa (to my knowledge) compared to Toronto or Montreal, but then again, Toronto is only 4hrs drive and Montreal is 2hrs away,

If I was to choose a city in Europe, it would be Brussels, loved it!

@nferyn
you remind me of my history teacher, I miss Uccle!!!
Re: Share Your European Living Experience by kokorunna(m): 2:45pm On Oct 07, 2008
It depends on what jobs you are looking for and there is loads of Nigerian Hairdressers and Hair Braiders in London. Some of them even stop you in the market place and give you their business cards.

If you are looking for Nigerian Communities, they are all over the place in United Kingdom.

Join www.moneysaversforum.com and contribute to it.

You might find some tips useful to you.


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