*Kails*:


Hmmmm let me find out.....



exactly
And like I said, Arabs have been in the new world even since before we were. The conquistadors were descendants of arabs,too.

Yep!

KidStranglehold:

Please do!

^^^^^

CHIMA!! WHERE YOU @?

Jean Baptiste Point du Sable was the first settler of Chicago. He was also the city's first black resident.

As a free black man, Point du Sable is believed to have been born most likely in Haiti sometime before 1750. His biography is sketchy, pieced together from the rare instances when he had to deal with the British or American governments.

From 1768 or so, Point du Sable operated as an engagé, a fur trader with an official license from the British government. In the early years of the United States, Point du Sable was managing a trading post in Indiana. The area was officially Indian-owned (he was a tenant) and Point du Sable was harassed by both British and American troops who passed through the Midwest.

'Chicago in 1779 (Then called Eschikago) showing the cabin of Jean Baptiste Point de Saible (colored) The first permanet settler'. Raoul Varin 1930 Published by A. Ackerman Sons By 1788 he had established a farm in Chicago and lived there with his wife, Catherine, a son and a daughter. In the years that the family lived there, they provided some stability to an area that was primarily frequented by peripatetic traders. With the end of the Revolutionary War, Point du Sable's farm prospered. People as far away as the East coast knew Point du Sable as the only source of farmed produce in the area.

Suzanne Point du Sable, Jean Baptiste and Catherine's daughter, was married in 1790 and bore a daughter, Eulalie, in 1796. Her brother, Jean Baptiste Jr., worked as a trader on the Missouri River. He died in 1814.

Point du Sable left Chicago in 1800, selling his property to a neighbor. His wife did not sign the bill of sale, and may have been deceased at the time. Point moved to St. Charles in Spanish Louisiana. His business deals did not go well, and was declared insolvent in the territory in 1813. At the end of his life, Point du Sable was destitute and depended on the goodwill of a neighbor, possibly a lover, for his housekeeping.

Jean Baptiste Point du Sable died on August 28, 1818.
Source:
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/amex/chicago/peopleevents/p_dusable.html

Drawing of Emperor Soulouque ceremony. Mid 1800s

Dr. Rosalvo Bobo Leader of the Northern rebellion against American Occupation in 1915.


Train in Port-Au-Prince


President Magloire and his wife having dinner with the Eisenhowers

Caco group in the Hinche region-These are the men that fought against the Marines in the American Occupation (1915-1934)

Haitian History & Future Prospects
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=fJWOV6QUOys

Toussaint Louverture and the Haitian Revolution

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IOGVgQYX6SU

excellent job Kid!
keep up the good work!

Chokl8: excellent job Kid!
keep up the good work!

Thanks you should make a Jamaican history thread. Besides the Maroons I really don't know much about Jamaican history.


Anyways...

Bonne Foi Street


Centre Street in Port au Prince


Saint-Louis de Gonzague School


Roux Street in Port au Prince 1925

KidStranglehold:

Thanks you should make a Jamaican history thread. Besides the Maroons I really don't know much about Jamaican history.

I would but nah. I have repped my ppl so much that some folks have started hating on me for it lol.

But you are doing a good job. btw where do you find this stuff?

Chokl8:

I would but nah. I have repped my ppl so much that some folks have started hating on me for it lol.

But you are doing a good job. btw where do you find this stuff?

Different forum sites, I just go lurking around. And thanks.

A mini documentary on Haitian history


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0lM0bbcslNk

the haitians whooped dat azz

You got banned again? ^^^

Eri8: Arab? How did that happen? Lol

Through Spain whose culture has traces of Arab influence (Moors). However, Haitian culture is mostly West African with some elements of the French and Spanish cultures. Almost all Haitians consider themselves African. However, about 5% of the population can also claim European ancestry. There is a very small number of Arab Haitians who do not consider themselves black or Haitian even though they have roots in the country going back centuries. Haitian call them "Syrians".

This thread has some very interesting info on The Haitian people's struggles. But did you know that the Haitian Revolution was more about stopping the slavery of Blacks than creating a new country? At the time of the wars, all Haitian slaves were already emancipated. Haitians wanted freedom for themselves and all blacks wherever they lived. The concept of nation was not yet very strong. Consider these points:

1 - in 1821, Haiti invaded the Dominican Republic and occupied it for 21 years because France intended to maintain black slavery in it.
2 - while USA was cowarding out afraid of upsetting Spain which was a superpower at the time, Haiti provided money, weapons, and soldiers to Simon Bolivar in support of the Bolivarian Revolution that ended Spain's control of Venezuela, Colombia, Ecuador, Peru etc. Haiti was the only free nation that dared to support the war against Spain. Why? Haiti wanted freedom for blacks in those colonies. Bolivar agreed and freed his own slaves to give his generals an example. By doing so, Haiti sacrificed itself for the freedom of all Black slaves in Latin America. Spain, France, England, and USA quickly joined force and retaliated by setting up plans to kill Haiti's economy and development.
3 - In its first constitution, Haiti declared all blacks who set foot on Haiti's soil or waters were free men. To enforce this law, Haiti often seized American boats to search for slaves. In fact, Haiti and USA almost went to war over two boats that transported slaves to the US. America pulled back because at the time, Haiti had the means to fight back.
4 - In the late 1800s, European powers started to colonize Africa. Haiti responded by launching a diplomatic push for a United Nations- like organization to fight imperialism.
5 - As Africa was being colonized, the effects of the century old embargo had weakened Haiti. A new power in Europe, Prussia, started to bully Haiti hoping to colonize it. Prussians destroyed Haiti last fleet and often bombarded the coastal cities. England joined the party totally unprovoked and destroyed Cap-Haitien, Haiti's second city.
6 - USA invaded Haiti in 1915 and sacked The country's treasury.
7 - From 1915 through 1945, USA used its own racist politics to further weakened Haiti by empowering the minority white and mulattoes of the country and treated the Blacks like they treated their own black people. Blacks revolted and launched a revolution war against the Marines.
8 - After WWII, as many French-Speaking African countries were gaining their independence, many Haitians left the island for Africa to help creating schools and developed secondary schools as the French and Belgians purposely kept their colonized subject uneducated.

Haitians are probably the most Pan-Africanist black nation even before intellectuals coined the word.

It is a lie that white media want people to believe that Haiti had always been a failed state. In fact, throughout the 1800s Haiti remain a force in the Americas. When Simon Bolivar needed money and support, he went to Haiti to ask for help. Haiti was the first American country besides USA to have electric lights on the streets. When the Prussians started to terrorize us under Bismarck, we already had trains, telegraphs, and more importantly for the time, an organized police force! Haiti produced its own weapons and ammunitions. When the American invaded us, they did so because they needed money to finance their involvement in WWI. Why would they invade a failed state in time of war, a state that is not an interest in the war?

They wanted to keep Haiti down because that supported their racist position that Black men cannot govern themselves.

MounLakay:

Through Spain whose culture has traces of Arab influence (Moors). However, Haitian culture is mostly West African with some elements of the French and Spanish cultures. Almost all Haitians consider themselves African. However, about 5% of the population can also claim European ancestry. There is a very small number of Arab Haitians who do not consider themselves black or Haitian even though they have roots in the country going back centuries. Haitian call them "Syrians".

This thread has some very interesting info on The Haitian people's struggles. But did you know that the Haitian Revolution was more about stopping the slavery of Blacks than creating a new country? At the time of the wars, all Haitian slaves were already emancipated. Haitians wanted freedom for themselves and all blacks wherever they lived. The concept of nation was not yet very strong. Consider these points:

1 - in 1821, Haiti invaded the Dominican Republic and occupied it for 21 years because France intended to maintain black slavery in it.
2 - while USA was cowarding out afraid of upsetting Spain which was a superpower at the time, Haiti provided money, weapons, and soldiers to Simon Bolivar in support of the Bolivarian Revolution that ended Spain's control of Venezuela, Colombia, Ecuador, Peru etc. Haiti was the only free nation that dared to support the war against Spain. Why? Haiti wanted freedom for blacks in those colonies. Bolivar agreed and freed his own slaves to give his generals an example. By doing so, Haiti sacrificed itself for the freedom of all Black slaves in Latin America. Spain, France, England, and USA quickly joined force and retaliated by setting up plans to kill Haiti's economy and development.
3 - In its first constitution, Haiti declared all blacks who set foot on Haiti's soil or waters were free men. To enforce this law, Haiti often seized American boats to search for slaves. In fact, Haiti and USA almost went to war over two boats that transported slaves to the US. America pulled back because at the time, Haiti had the means to fight back.
4 - In the late 1800s, European powers started to colonize Africa. Haiti responded by launching a diplomatic push for a United Nations- like organization to fight imperialism.
5 - As Africa was being colonized, the effects of the century old embargo had weakened Haiti. A new power in Europe, Prussia, started to bully Haiti hoping to colonize it. Prussians destroyed Haiti last fleet and often bombarded the coastal cities. England joined the party totally unprovoked and destroyed Cap-Haitien, Haiti's second city.
6 - USA invaded Haiti in 1915 and sacked The country's treasury.
7 - From 1915 through 1945, USA used its own racist politics to further weakened Haiti by empowering the minority white and mulattoes of the country and treated the Blacks like they treated their own black people. Blacks revolted and launched a revolution war against the Marines.
8 - After WWII, as many French-Speaking African countries were gaining their independence, many Haitians left the island for Africa to help creating schools and developed secondary schools as the French and Belgians purposely kept their colonized subject uneducated.

Haitians are probably the most Pan-Africanist black nation even before intellectuals coined the word.

It is a lie that white media want people to believe that Haiti had always been a failed state. In fact, throughout the 1800s Haiti remain a force in the Americas. When Simon Bolivar needed money and support, he went to Haiti to ask for help. Haiti was the first American country besides USA to have electric lights on the streets. When the Prussians started to terrorize us under Bismarck, we already had trains, telegraphs, and more importantly for the time, an organized police force! Haiti produced its own weapons and ammunitions. When the American invaded us, they did so because they needed money to finance their involvement in WWI. Why would they invade a failed state in time of war, a state that is not an interest in the war?

They wanted to keep Haiti down because that supported their racist position that Black men cannot govern themselves.

Awesome post!!!! Thanks for contributing! Most people don't know Haitian history and why its in the state it is now, I can name those reasons but I would be basically writing a essay. Also did you see the info about the USA invasion of Haiti? Yeah the west also tried to ruin the economy of Haiti. Because of Haiti, the French and Spaniards, ESPECIALLY the Spaniards influence was WEAKENED in the New World, which resulted in America being the sole power. This is why you didn't really see the Spaniards in the colonization of Africa, because they were really weakened.

Also a small error. The Moors were actually indignous African Berbers not Arabs. Past scholars actually differentiated the two groups. But do you have sources for you claims? Especially the one about Haiti and the USA almost going to war I'm VERY interested!

KidStranglehold:

Awesome post!!!! Thanks for contributing! Most people don't know Haitian history and why its in the state it is now, I can name those reasons but I would be basically writing a essay. Also did you see the info about the USA invasion of Haiti? Yeah the west also tried to ruin the economy of Haiti. Because of Haiti, the French and Spaniards, ESPECIALLY the Spaniards influence was WEAKENED in the New World, which resulted in America being the sole power. This is why you didn't really see the Spaniards in the colonization of Africa, because they were really weakened.

Also more small error. The Moors were actually indignous African Berbers not Arabs. Past scholars actually differentiated the two groups.

Thank you. The Moors brought Islam and elements of the Arab culture to southern Spain. The first Europeans who settled in Haiti were the Spaniards(1492) and the first Africans transported to the Americas were brought to Haiti(1502). For about a hundred years, the culture was a mixture of African, Taino (native people), and Spanish cultures. The French started to take over in the early 1600s.

MounLakay:

Thank you. The Moors brought Islam and elements of the Arab culture to southern Spain. The first Europeans who settled in Haiti were the Spaniards(1492) and the first Africans transported to the Americas were brought to Haiti(1502). For about a hundred years, the culture was a mixture of African, Taino (native people), and Spanish cultures. The French started to take over in the early 1600s.

Agreed!

But again do you have sources for you claims? Especially the one about Haiti and the USA almost going to war becuase I am VERY interested! I know about the USA invading Haiti, but I didn't know Haitian navies were attacking slave ships!

Or Prussians(Germans) bombarding Haiti's coasline!!!

Yet people think Haiti became underdeveloped out of thin air...Did you see the old pictures of Haiti I posted?

MounLakay:

Through Spain whose culture has traces of Arab influence (Moors). However, Haitian culture is mostly West African with some elements of the French and Spanish cultures. Almost all Haitians consider themselves African. However, about 5% of the population can also claim European ancestry. There is a very small number of Arab Haitians who do not consider themselves black or Haitian even though they have roots in the country going back centuries. Haitian call them "Syrians".

This thread has some very interesting info on The Haitian people's struggles. But did you know that the Haitian Revolution was more about stopping the slavery of Blacks than creating a new country? At the time of the wars, all Haitian slaves were already emancipated. Haitians wanted freedom for themselves and all blacks wherever they lived. The concept of nation was not yet very strong. Consider these points:

1 - in 1821, Haiti invaded the Dominican Republic and occupied it for 21 years because France intended to maintain black slavery in it.
2 - while USA was cowarding out afraid of upsetting Spain which was a superpower at the time, Haiti provided money, weapons, and soldiers to Simon Bolivar in support of the Bolivarian Revolution that ended Spain's control of Venezuela, Colombia, Ecuador, Peru etc. Haiti was the only free nation that dared to support the war against Spain. Why? Haiti wanted freedom for blacks in those colonies. Bolivar agreed and freed his own slaves to give his generals an example. By doing so, Haiti sacrificed itself for the freedom of all Black slaves in Latin America. Spain, France, England, and USA quickly joined force and retaliated by setting up plans to kill Haiti's economy and development.
3 - In its first constitution, Haiti declared all blacks who set foot on Haiti's soil or waters were free men. To enforce this law, Haiti often seized American boats to search for slaves. In fact, Haiti and USA almost went to war over two boats that transported slaves to the US. America pulled back because at the time, Haiti had the means to fight back.
4 - In the late 1800s, European powers started to colonize Africa. Haiti responded by launching a diplomatic push for a United Nations- like organization to fight imperialism.
5 - As Africa was being colonized, the effects of the century old embargo had weakened Haiti. A new power in Europe, Prussia, started to bully Haiti hoping to colonize it. Prussians destroyed Haiti last fleet and often bombarded the coastal cities. England joined the party totally unprovoked and destroyed Cap-Haitien, Haiti's second city.
6 - USA invaded Haiti in 1915 and sacked The country's treasury.
7 - From 1915 through 1945, USA used its own racist politics to further weakened Haiti by empowering the minority white and mulattoes of the country and treated the Blacks like they treated their own black people. Blacks revolted and launched a revolution war against the Marines.
8 - After WWII, as many French-Speaking African countries were gaining their independence, many Haitians left the island for Africa to help creating schools and developed secondary schools as the French and Belgians purposely kept their colonized subject uneducated.

Haitians are probably the most Pan-Africanist black nation even before intellectuals coined the word.

It is a lie that white media want people to believe that Haiti had always been a failed state. In fact, throughout the 1800s Haiti remain a force in the Americas. When Simon Bolivar needed money and support, he went to Haiti to ask for help. Haiti was the first American country besides USA to have electric lights on the streets. When the Prussians started to terrorize us under Bismarck, we already had trains, telegraphs, and more importantly for the time, an organized police force! Haiti produced its own weapons and ammunitions. When the American invaded us, they did so because they needed money to finance their involvement in WWI. Why would they invade a failed state in time of war, a state that is not an interest in the war?

They wanted to keep Haiti down because that supported their racist position that Black men cannot govern themselves.

I just started reading the bolded and....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bW7Op86ox9g



It all makes SENSE! Why else would the USA invade Haiti I never even knew this(well I knew about Haiti having trains) or even thought of this, again it all makes sense! No wonder the USA, French, British and others always tried to bring Haiti done, it was not because they were the first black republic, like you said they were a FORCE in the Americas along side the USA! Like I said before Haiti was basically considered a rogue state which is why many European powers ignored it and tried to destroy it, but you basically CONNECT the DOTS! Man I need to up my knowledge on Haitian history! I thought I knew it all, but you prove that I am lacking a bit. I've been focusing too much on African history.

I already knew about this guy, but I know most people do not.

[size=15pt]Anténor Firmin[/size]


Joseph Auguste Anténor Firmin (18 October 1850 – 19 September 1911), better known as simply Anténor Firmin, was a Haitian anthropologist, journalist, and politician. Firmin is best known for his book De l'égalité des races humaines (English: On the Equality of Human Races), which was published as a rebuttal to French writer Count Arthur de Gobineau's work Essai sur l'inégalité des races humaines (English: Essay on the Inequality of Human Races). Gobineau's book asserted the superiority of the Aryan race and the inferiority of blacks and other people of color.
Firmin's work, first published in 1885, argued the opposite, that "all men are endowed with the same qualities and the same faults, without distinction of color or anatomical form. The races are equal" (pp. 450). He was marginalized at the time for his beliefs that all human races were equal.[1]
Firmin pioneered the integration of race and physical anthropology and may be the first black anthropologist. His work was recognized not only in Haiti but also among scholars of Africans as an early work of négritude. He had an impact on Jean Price-Mars, the founder of Haitian ethnology and on American anthropologist Melville Herskovits.[2]
Born in Cap-Haïtien, Firmin worked in teaching, politics, and diplomacy. He founded Le Messager du Nord, a political and literary publication.


This guy was the first black anthropologist and was pretty ahead of his time. He was also the FIRST anthropologist to go against old school racial anthropology.

you should read The Black Jacobins by C. L. R. James if you haven't already. I'm half way through and it's so well researched and just a great read. Toussaint Louverture was an amazing man.
it's available as a PDF online btw.

PAPA AFRICA: you should read The Black Jacobins by C. L. R. James. I'm half way through and it's so well researched and just a great read. Toussaint Louverture was an amazing man.
it's available as a PDF online btw.

Really Can I download it? Link?

Thanks in advance.

PAPA AFRICA: http://ouleft.org/wp-content/uploads/CLR_James_The_Black_Jacobins.pdf

Thanks! Downloaded to my computer. I also have a book on the Songhai Empire if you want the link to download it.

KidStranglehold:

Thanks! Downloaded to my computer. I also have a book on the Songhai Empire if you want the link to download it.

no problem and sure bro, post it.

Freak! I lost the link! And someone PM'ed it to me on another site. It was a called Timbuktu and Songhai Empire by John Hunwick.

was it the whole thing or was it this? http://www.smi.uib.no/sa/11/11Timbuktu.pdf

PAPA AFRICA: was it the whole thing or was it this? http://www.smi.uib.no/sa/11/11Timbuktu.pdf

No. The WHOLE book. I can email it to you if you want. I can see if that'll work. I just can't give you the link, because I lost it.

KidStranglehold:

No. The WHOLE book. I can email it to you if you want. I can see if that'll work. I just can't give you the link, because I lost it.

THE WHOLE THING!?!? ive been looking for that forever, i thought id have to BUY it. email it to me bro, thanks a lot man.

PAPA AFRICA: THE WHOLE THING!?!? ive been looking for that forever, i thought id have to BUY it. email it to me bro, thanks a lot man.

I think you have to reply to my email or something? Because I clicked on your profile and clicked send email and it just told me to send you an email and you have to replay.

Also you have to download the book once I sent it to you.

i replied twice do you see it?

PAPA AFRICA: i replied twice do you see it?

Yes. I sent it.

Got it, Thanks man.