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| Islam Bowing Before The Black Stone In Worship? by chuose: 2:53am On Jun 20, 2013 |
[size=14pt]In Islam moslems bow before an object called The black stone of the kaba Is this not Idol worship and hence cannot be God[/size] THIS CANNOT BE GOD    [size=14pt]SEE MY MOSLEM BROTHERS TALK & PRAY TO THEIR GOD THE KABAA STONE[/size]   |
| Re: Islam Bowing Before The Black Stone In Worship? by Nobody: 4:06am On Jun 20, 2013 |
what about the people in the direction the black stone is not located or visible? are they still bowing to the black stone in our own opinion? if yes, give reason the whole world to learn something from you or about you. we are not moslems, but muslims. big difference. when Israel and all his children bow down to Joseph, was that idolatry? we do not bow down to the stone nor do we worship it. Our God does not reside in the creation, to include, so how are we idol worshiping we not everyone pay attention to the stone when you are there in the kaaba. the whole building is 'direction' spot [Quibla] you see in the picture that the cop turn his back at the whole building; Kaaba. this should tell you that the kaaba and the black stone in it is not the object of worship because i doubt if you are christian, if biblical Jesus is your God, you will not turn your back at him. the muslim turn his back to tell you that the significance of the building and the stone are not the object of worship as you have mae itto be. 2 Likes |
| Re: Islam Bowing Before The Black Stone In Worship? by chuose: 4:16am On Jun 20, 2013 |
RoyPCain: what about the people in the direction the black stone is not located or visible? are they still bowing to the black stone in our own opinion? if yes, give reason the whole world to learn something from you or about you. [size=16pt]Anybody can see that moslems are bowing & praying to the stone, that's idol worship Surely God is greater than a Stone[/size] 1 Like |
| Re: Islam Bowing Before The Black Stone In Worship? by kufre2010: 9:51am On Jun 20, 2013 |
While the ordinary muslim don't know that kaaba is an occultic god and that is wht they are worshiping in mecca. Prominent people like ibb and others who knws the real secret behind it use to go and consult kaaba through the imam of mecca secretly to knw the secrets that they want to knw. It just a case of deception. How many people use to die on stamped during pilgrimage to mecca? Do u thing it all ordinary dead? Wise up Africans. All the two world major religions are control by occult world. 2 Likes |
| Re: Islam Bowing Before The Black Stone In Worship? by Nobody: 11:35am On Jun 20, 2013 |
@chuose: ignorant people will do anything. they will do right for not absolutely the right reason. they will wrong thing because they are part of the herd and while not being leader but followers, they imitate and can only say i am doing it because other are and it feels good. others doing it and it feels good doing it is not the reason to do anything, especially not in spirituality. you have to have evidence and makes your doing it not baseless but with purpose. if you look at the picture, you will not see an arab or a westerner there. picture may speaker louder and clearer than a thousand words, in Islam the intention takes precedence and intention must be correct for even correct action and deed be correctly recorded. if your intention is within the confine of Islam but your action and deed are outside islam, except what you do will unconscious or ignorantly, which you will stop doing the moment you gain knowledge, it is not a good thing; it is innovation and innovation leads to hell. the asiatic people just like most africans add their culture into worship and we find this also among the muslims. i do not bow to anything and it is forbidden to perform worship except as Allah allows and venerating anything is forbidden. the woman may ignore the stone but her heart is with Allah The Lord of all including the Hajj she came for, but her touch the black stone is your gripe here. May Allah give her knowledge because Umar bin Kattab [RA] said before kiss the stone; oh stone, you can not hurt or benefit me. if i didn't see the prophet [SA] kissing you, i would not kiss you. this is proof enough to show that there is no attachment to the stone and whosoever brings attachment to it, it is innovation and not part of Islam. @kufre2010; may Alla forgive all the muslims. Amin. prominence is not what drives anyone in Islam. if a person is in Islam without personal conviction, what basis is the foundation of his faith; is it because he was born into it or its a popular religion, what? if Islam has not captured your heart and your heart is drenched in it, completely soaked and nurtured by its sweetness, you could be cajoled and lured away from it by the charisma of what is on the other side. a jew, a christian, others can lure you and you are just like them because each is in what he is in because of the reason that another is in islam; true belief by conviction or its tradition, its popular, worldly benefit. if the whole world deviates from islam without anyone in it, it is still the correct form of worship pattern and its a majority because zero person on the side of God, is a majority except that the zero person is not in existence and God can will him/her alive. if 1 person, he/she is obviously a majority. Allah says in Surah Isra that whoever does good it is for himself and whoever does evil he does it to himself and there is goodly reward for the one who does good while he is a believer [you will find this general statement chapter 17 beteen verse 8/20]. whoever leave direct relationship with Allah but adopt something else, it is not rewarding because whoever he pick, imam, pope, king, prophet, be it Jesus, Moses or Muhammad or any other [AS], or angel, etc he has deviated because each of them need The Merciful. the death of muslims in hajj especially in something like the 'stampede' is sad and unfortunate. it shows that some quarters of muslims are unnecessary emotional because they should have known that preservation of life is more important because it is a great command; surah furqan; those who do not invoke other than Allah alone,and do not murder any soul [including animals except by right of the need to eat meat, etc not for trophy, etc and in man if its protecting your rights [for example the home invaders wanting to deprive you of your belongings, your blood, your honor as they will do extreme harms to your women]] and do not engage in illegal sexual intercourse. whoever does any of the 3 and dies on it without ever returning to pure monotheism of Islam, there is penalty for him. so we do not qualify as occult people. no sir. islam is clean, it is your mouth that you need to get the filth out from that you are spewing on Islam. |
| Re: Islam Bowing Before The Black Stone In Worship? by Nobody: 11:37am On Jun 20, 2013 |
chuose: [size=14pt]Is this not Idol worship and hence cannot be God[/size] it is a form, yes. the three major religions all have their roots in paganism, (sp. Ancient Egyptian influence) even freemasonry sef.  no matter how hard they try to convince people otherwise, they always slay/contradict themselves by their own actions. 1 Like |
| Re: Islam Bowing Before The Black Stone In Worship? by Nobody: 11:40am On Jun 20, 2013 |
kufre2010: While the ordinary muslim don't know that kaaba is an occultic god and that is wht they are worshiping in mecca. Prominent people like ibb and others who knws the real secret behind it use to go and consult kaaba through the imam of mecca secretly to knw the secrets that they want to knw. It just a case of deception. How many people use to die on stamped during pilgrimage to mecca? Do u thing it all ordinary dead? Wise up Africans. All the two world major religions are control by occult world. see what I am saying?! |
| Re: Islam Bowing Before The Black Stone In Worship? by ayenny02(m): 10:41pm On Jun 20, 2013 |
chuose: [size=14pt]In Islam moslems bow before an object called The black stone of the kabaWe worship GOD Almighty in the direction of His Grand Temple/House. We never worship the Temple/House itself. The Bible's Prophets in the Bible also had a "House of GOD Almighty" that they worshiped Him in. Also, the Jews' wailing wall today is a similar example to the Muslims' Kaaba, where the Jews pray to GOD Almighty facing the wall. The Bible also says: "I will bow down toward your holy temple and will praise your name for your love and your faithfulness, for you have exalted above all things your name and your word. (From the NIV Bible, Psalm 138:2)" To simply put it: You must bow down in humility to GOD Almighty. That's a must and a given. So, you must physically bow down somewhere, and naturally to some direction! If you were to do it right now, you would be bowing towards a random direction. Your physical presence on earth forces this upon you as a prostrating Believer to GOD Almighty, whether you like it or not. The bowing down to GOD Almighty in the direction of the Kaaba, or the city of Mecca in general, is a way to unify all Muslims to bow down to GOD Almighty, as one body and one unity, towards one direction and towards His Holy Temple. As to worshiping the cubic black building, the Kaaba, we absolutely do not worship it. The Prophet of Islam said that the spilling OF A SINGLE DROP OF BLOOD from a Believer is more dearer to Allah Almighty than the demolishing of the entire Kaaba. In other words, a single drop of blood from a Muslim Believer is more dearer to Allah Almighty than the entire black cubic building So it is not something we worship. It is only a point and a direction that brings us together as one. |
| Re: Islam Bowing Before The Black Stone In Worship? by chuose: 8:19am On Jun 21, 2013 |
ayenny02: Please dont make me laugh, how can you say moslems worhip God when they are busy killing God's creations all over the world? Moslems say it's the wests foreign policy, then how come even Arab Christians are being killed   |
| Re: Islam Bowing Before The Black Stone In Worship? by ayenny02(m): 9:07am On Jun 21, 2013 |
chuose:If you believe that you can't stick to your topic why did you open it, can't you see that I have refuted you on your thread and you want to use style to derail from the topic. If you don't have anything to say you better pack well and look. RUBBISH!!!!!!!!!!! 2 Likes |
| Re: Islam Bowing Before The Black Stone In Worship? by mamsong9(m): 9:16am On Jun 21, 2013 |
chuose: And how many God's creation have your catholic christians killed during the barbaric inquisition in the past. And how many they are still killing today, you people are pretenders, you portray your religion as good whereas is the worst thing that ever happened to humanity. Don't tell me that till now you don't know who are behind Sept 11 attack? Yes those who care know that it was planed by your so call peaceful religious men. Now tell me what genocide are you talking about is happening in Egypt? How about the genocide you people have been committing in PALATINE for over 40 years now. why are you people so self centre and you don't seem to have sense of reasoning at all. ARE THE PALASTINIAN PEOPLE NOT GOD'S PEOPLE Is has become normal thing to see death body of women, children and old people in palatine, now tell me are they not people? That is why Christianity is the last wickedness that would ever happen to human being. Whatever the Jews people would do to the muslims is there birth rite, Jews people Jews people are born to kill and muslim are born to be kill right? And you people would believe that is in your bible that they are the choosing people, CHOOSING PEOPLE MY LEFT FOOT!!! 2 Likes |
| Re: Islam Bowing Before The Black Stone In Worship? by mamsong9(m): 10:04am On Jun 21, 2013 |
*Kails*: What would you say about the image of Mary, Jesus, Angel Raphael, Gabriel etc you put in churches? these are the real idols that you worship and you know that. The origin of idol worshiping started by over venerating of a past hero, like the shago worshipers in yorubaland etc. in the same way you people worship Jesus, Mary and others. we worship Allah the Lord of Mary, Jesus, Moses and the Lord of the black stone. Before Muslims started facing Kaaba, we use to face jerusalem so is just a point of reference not idol. Please you people should look for another point. 2 Likes |
| Re: Islam Bowing Before The Black Stone In Worship? by chuose: 10:07am On Jun 21, 2013 |
mamsong9: Are we talking History or current events. ISLAM IS MURDEROUS TODAY 1 Like |
| Re: Islam Bowing Before The Black Stone In Worship? by mamsong9(m): 10:29am On Jun 21, 2013 |
chuose: You see how how a typical christian would reason, your history should speak for you. Your religion was built on hypocrisy, blasphemy, treachery, Genocide, bigot, blackmailing and all sort of evils. So what else do you expect from a religion that have try for years to wipe out Islam from the face of the earth if not continues violence. Were you not the one committing the bombing and blaming muslim for it? YOU PEOPLE STARTED WHIT BAD RECORD AND YOU WOULD DEFINITELY END IT WHIT BAD RECORD.  |
| Re: Islam Bowing Before The Black Stone In Worship? by chuose: 12:20pm On Jun 21, 2013 |
mamsong9: Africa & Europe was once totally Christian till ur islamic brothers went on a jihad & murdered to convert! [size=14pt]NOW YOUR MOSLEM BROTHERS ARE MURDERING FOR YOUR ALLAH. PLEASE TELL US WHY YOUR BLOOD THIRSTY MOSLEMS ARE KILLING PEOPLE IN NORTHERN NIGERIA ?[/size] |
| Re: Islam Bowing Before The Black Stone In Worship? by Mintayo(m): 8:17pm On Jun 21, 2013 |
ayenny02:oga there is nothing like that! |
| Re: Islam Bowing Before The Black Stone In Worship? by submitter: 3:09am On Jun 22, 2013 |
worship means praying in hoping it grants a reward or something in return. So how can a black stone grants anything? The best example for all mankind to follow is none other than Prophet Muhammad s.a.w. Logical reason why muslims kiss the stone? Here's one example why.. 2 Likes |
| Re: Islam Bowing Before The Black Stone In Worship? by BetaThings: 10:13am On Jun 22, 2013 |
*Kails*: How does a rumour (without verification) confirm your own opinion? With your strategy, anyone can say anything. eg "I saw GEJ at Amadioha shrine, Sambo was seen with a witch in New York"! Is that really how we come to believe things? |
| Re: Islam Bowing Before The Black Stone In Worship? by vedaxcool(m): 2:23pm On Jun 22, 2013 |
The ever popular Evangelical site GotQuestions.org sums it up nicely: Jesus’ second coming will be exceedingly violent. Revelation 19:11-21 describes the ultimate war with Christ, the conquering commander who judges and makes war “with justice” (v. 11). It’s going to be bloody (v. 13) and gory. The birds will eat the flesh of all those who oppose Him (v. 17-18). He has no compassion upon His enemies, whom He will conquer completely hmm Christians what do u have to say about the is. |
| Re: Islam Bowing Before The Black Stone In Worship? by cleanvessel(m): 8:37pm On Jun 22, 2013 |
ayenny02: You have said nothing to refute the op's claim. When you guys just say something incorrectly, you shout you made a refutal. No. Those people in that picture were not bowing down to God but Allah, which idolaters had been worshiping in that centre before the advent of islam. The worship of Allah had been in existence before islam. Allah was the god they worshiped in Muhammad's family before his birth, going by his father's name, Abdullah. When Muhammad came with his message from Allah, the people didn't ask him who Allah was. Allah was not new to them. They resisted him for wanting to impose his father's idol on all others. Gabriel must be the spirit of his family idol, who gave him an assurance that his father's god is the true God. There are ample evidences to these claims. Would God send his prophet to improve on his family's idol worship? No. No. No and No. The tenacity you guys are defending islam shows you are in the religion because of your ignorance. You sincerely believe you are worshiping the true God, impressed upon your hearts by allah, but it is not true. I pray God will deliver you from satanic deceptions. Amen. Apart from the pictures above the quran and hadiths talk about how Muhammad took to the ways of idolaters. Want to see them here again? 4 Likes |
| Re: Islam Bowing Before The Black Stone In Worship? by ayenny02(m): 8:32am On Jun 23, 2013 |
cleanvessel:You are saying RUBBISH, you lack authoritative references to back your claim, so I don't need to answer you but if you bring reference from Quran, Hadith or Bible to support your claim then I will answer you, I don't argue with those who cannot bring proof or envidence to support their claims. So, MR MAN you don't have point!!!!!!! 1 Like |
| Re: Islam Bowing Before The Black Stone In Worship? by submitter: 2:05am On Jul 26, 2013 |
Christian kissing walls, pillars ? so why do they kiss them?    Why do Christians gather around a weird looking cube shape structure?  1 Like |
| Re: Islam Bowing Before The Black Stone In Worship? by alexis(m): 6:55pm On Jul 26, 2013 |
submitter Why do Christians gather around a weird looking cube shape structure? Do you know how to debate at all? Refute the claim the OP made without justifying idol worship in Islam. Can't you refute the claim without involving another religion. Let us say Christianity didn't exist, what then? Idolatry is permitted in Islam? You should learn to refute others claim independently. All you have done is confirm that muslims worship the Kabbah. Going to Mecca is one of the 5 pillars of Islam. A tradition that was practiced before Mohammed was born and before Islam as a religion was formed. It is my understanding that Allah is almighty and can't be described. Yet, millions of muslims go to Mecca every year to have their hair shaved and kiss the Kabba that contained the idols of Arabia. Why do they do these things? Why are they worshiping a stone, what is inside the Kabbah? Muslims claim to be monotheist yet they are kissing the Kabba and praying to it. Muslims are to pray to Allah only and no one else? Is Allah in the Kabbah? |
| Re: Islam Bowing Before The Black Stone In Worship? by raeez(m): 6:22am On Jul 28, 2013 |
alexis: submitterlet me start refuting ur claims one by one. First. U said let's say xtianity doesn't exist. Am very sure u are a xtian but in other to rubbish islam u can even remove ur own religion from the equation [b][/b] secondly its true that people have been going to the kaabah b4 Muhammad (s.a.w) was born cos the kaaba was built by his fore fathers ibrahim (the father) of believers and ismail his son and the fore father of the prophet (s.a.w) and thirdly from the picture the o.p posted nobody was bowing down for the blackstone they were merely kissing it or trying to grab a hand on it. Does kissing ur father or mother mean u are worshipping them |
| Re: Islam Bowing Before The Black Stone In Worship? by submitter: 11:18am On Jul 28, 2013 |
alexis: submitter Kaaba which consist of several structures; is a House (of prayer) built by Abraham (pbuh) and Ishmael (pbuh). So what does that mean? Its a blessed place for one to offer prayer. Prior to bowing and prostrating in the the direction of Kaaba. They did so onto the direction of Al-Aqsa (House of Prayer in Jerusalem). So by your logic, Muslims worship Al-Aqsa previously and now worshipping Kaaba? Why would Muslims worship objects that cant even shelter themselves from rain, lol. ~~~~ Your bolded queries will be answered below. Behold! We gave the site, to Abraham, of the (Sacred) House, (saying): "Associate not anything (in worship) with Me; and sanctify My House for those who compass it round, or stand up, or bow, or prostrate themselves (therein in prayer)." And proclaim the Pilgrimage among men: they will come to thee on foot and (mounted) on every kind of camel, lean on account of journeys through deep and distant mountain highways; (The Noble Quran, 22:26-27)" We see the turning of thy face (for guidance to the heavens: now Shall We turn thee to a Qibla that shall please thee. Turn then Thy face in the direction of the sacred Mosque: Wherever ye are, turn your faces in that direction. The people of the Book know well that that is the truth from their Lord. Nor is Allah unmindful of what they do. (The Noble Quran, 2:144) Photos     |
| Re: Islam Bowing Before The Black Stone In Worship? by LagosShia: 12:32pm On Jul 28, 2013 |
please compare the facing of the Qiblah (prayer direction towards the Ka'bah) to what we also find in the bible: Genesis 28:18 The next morning Jacob got up very early. He took the stone he had rested his head against, and he set it upright as a memorial pillar. Then he poured olive oil over it. Genesis 35:14 Jacob set up a stone pillar to mark the place where God had spoken to him. Then he poured wine over it as an offering to God and anointed the pillar with olive oil. Daniel 6:10 Now when Daniel learned that the decree had been published, he went home to his upstairs room where the windows opened toward Jerusalem. Three times a day he got down on his knees and prayed, giving thanks to his God, just as he had done before. Jonah 2: 4-7 “Then I said, I am cast out of thy sight; yet ‘I will look again’ toward thy holy temple…When my soul fainted within me I remembered Yahweh; and my prayer came in unto thee, into thine holy temple.” 2 Chronicles 6:18-21 18 “But will God really dwell on earth with humans? The heavens, even the highest heavens, cannot contain you. How much less this temple I have built! 19 Yet, LORD my God, give attention to your servant’s prayer and his plea for mercy. Hear the cry and the prayer that your servant is praying in your presence. 20 May your eyes be open toward this temple day and night, this place of which you said you would put your Name there. May you hear the prayer your servant prays toward this place. 21 Hear the supplications of your servant and of your people Israel when they pray toward this place. Hear from heaven, your dwelling place; and when you hear, forgive. 1 Kings 8:27-29 27 “But will God really dwell on earth? The heavens, even the highest heaven, cannot contain you. How much less this temple I have built! 28 Yet give attention to your servant’s prayer and his plea for mercy, LORD my God. Hear the cry and the prayer that your servant is praying in your presence this day. 29 May your eyes be open toward this temple night and day, this place of which you said, ‘My Name shall be there,’ so that you will hear the prayer your servant prays toward this place. Isaiah 38:2 "Then Hezekiah turned his face toward the wall, and prayed unto the LORD". 1 Kings 8:44-45 "When you command your people to go into battle against their enemies and they pray to you, wherever they are, facing this city which you have chosen and this Temple which I have built for you, listen to their prayers. Hear them in heaven and give them victory". please see also: "Pilgrimage of Ezekiel to Mecca" http://www.answering-christianity.com/ezekiel_pilgrimage.htm |
| Re: Islam Bowing Before The Black Stone In Worship? by BetaThings: 3:38pm On Jul 28, 2013 |
chuose: chuose: Read this book to know what Christians are doing today The Missionaries: God against the Indians. Norman Lewis http://www.amazon.com/dp/1906011524 |
| Re: Islam Bowing Before The Black Stone In Worship? by soundpoint: 5:26pm On Aug 05, 2013 |
vedaxcool: The ever popular Evangelical site So, you are judging future events already? WOW  . See how nairaland muslims reason. Let us say you haven't had any children yet- do we call you a man or a father or a potential father? |
| Re: Islam Bowing Before The Black Stone In Worship? by soundpoint: 5:35pm On Aug 05, 2013 |
raeez: let me start refuting ur claims one by one. First. U said let's say xtianity doesn't exist. Am very sure u are a xtian but in other to rubbish islam u can even remove ur own religion from the equation [/b] secondly its true that people have been going to the kaabah b4 Muhammad (s.a.w) was born cos the kaaba was built by his fore fathers ibrahim (the father) of believers and ismail his son and the fore father of the prophet (s.a.w) and thirdly from the picture the o.p posted nobody was bowing down for the blackstone they were merely kissing it or trying to grab a hand on it. Does kissing ur father or mother mean u are worshipping them How do we debate someone that doesn't know how to make any point. Again, review what was said: [b]Me: You killed someone yesterday You: Your ancestors killed people too so what are you talking about Me: We are going by what you did and not what my ancestors did. Assuming my ancestors didn't exist, the fact remains you still killed someone. You: I have rubbished your ancestors so you have no point I find it hard debating with someone that can't reason. Your 2nd claim was that Ibrahim (Abraham built the Kabaa) - Can you provide proof outside of the Quran that Abraham built the Kabaa? My father or mother are not Stones? I don't travel to Saudi Arabia to kiss a stone. Kissing an inanimate object is tantamount to paying homage/worship to the object. As a muslim, that is shirk - you are not to worship anything apart from Allah. So, please do some research and post intelligently |
| Re: Islam Bowing Before The Black Stone In Worship? by soundpoint: 5:52pm On Aug 05, 2013 |
submitter Kaaba which consist of several structures; is a House (of prayer) built by Abraham (pbuh) and Ishmael (pbuh). So what does that mean? Its a blessed place for one to offer prayer. Please show us outside of the Quran where Abraham & Ishmael built the Kabbah. What year was it built? Prior to bowing and prostrating in the the direction of Kaaba. They did so onto the direction of Al-Aqsa (House of Prayer in Jerusalem). So by your logic, Muslims worship Al-Aqsa previously and now worshipping Kaaba? So, why did they change from Al-Aqsa in Jerusalem to the Kabbah in Mecca? When you mean they, are you referring to muslims or both muslims, jews and christians? Why would Muslims worship objects that cant even shelter themselves from rain, lol. Good question - the evidence points to that. Kissing an object, praying to it and bowing to it is the same as worshiping it. Your bolded queries will be answered below. Again, we need proof that the Kabbah was built outside of the Quran. The debate here is not what the Quran claims - the debate is confirming those claims outside of the Quran. If you said you are the son of the Sultan of Sokoto - you have to provide more proof than your mere words. We will need to see some DNA test results, some ancestral trace to show your lineage. I hope you get my point 2 Likes |
| Re: Islam Bowing Before The Black Stone In Worship? by submitter: 5:23am On Aug 06, 2013 |
Rabbi Abraham Ibn Ezra the great Jewish sage identifies the well mentioned by Hagar in Genesis 16:14 with Zimum (or in other versions, Zimzum), "where the Arabs hold an annual festival. This is Zamzam near Mecca. Genesis 16:14 "She called the well Be'er Lachai Roi It is between Kadesh and Bered." This Well located approximately 20m east of the Kaaba (from todays measurement) was the source of life for both Ishmael and Hagar before. ~~ There is also ancient Samaritan Jews book (Asatir) in 3rd century having the tradition that Ishmael and his son built Mecca several years after the death of Abraham. |
| Re: Islam Bowing Before The Black Stone In Worship? by chuose: 6:50pm On Aug 07, 2013 |
submitter: There is nothing in common with the bible & the quoran. Nothing in common between God & allah. As allah IS NOT THE NAME OF GOD! [size=14pt]God cannot not Lie While allah is the Greatest Deceiver [/size] Titus 1:2 which God, that cannot lie Qur'an 3:54 and ALLAH (is) the best (of) the cheaters/deceivers So you can see God & Allah are NOT the same. Read more here http://www.letusreason.org/islam6.htm[/color][/size] |
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