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Re: Patience Jonathan On An Illegal Podium - Guardian Editorial by Urine: 12:50pm On Jun 24, 2013
kalunomics: If only you are savant enough to comprehend my post... and a mofo already liked the thrash you spewd? God help this country!

Mr. Smart Guy, a thread was open to discuss an illegal and unconstitutional action, and all you can talk about is ACN/APC and food. How do you want me to comprehend that fatuous nonsense? Talking about an illegal act makes everybody a member of the opposition? Another advise, don't let your kids see what you just wrote. "God help this country" cry

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Re: Patience Jonathan On An Illegal Podium - Guardian Editorial by Okijajuju1(m): 12:56pm On Jun 24, 2013
dplomaticVal:
My friend, u've d prerogative to design your personal rostrum n garnish it wit d coat of arm bt nt d hallowed seal which is sacrosanct nd exclusively reserved 4d presidnt!

Hers didnt say the seal on it na...
Re: Patience Jonathan On An Illegal Podium - Guardian Editorial by MichaelSokoto(m): 1:56pm On Jun 24, 2013
Okija_juju:

Wow!!

Based on this one... I have to accept defeat!!

That fat porky 200litre biittch is guilty of contravening the provisions of the laws of the Fed republic.

P.S: But you do realize that hers dosent say 'seal' right?! Just First Lady, Fed. Rep of Nigeria which she indeed is.. Just saying sha! However, if she doesnt have the consent of the minsiter in charge of handing out the livence to use the coat of arms, then shes guilty..

However.. She is indeed a beached Niger Delta whale.. grin
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Korrrreect guy!
Welcome 2 d club of Progressives! grin
Re: Patience Jonathan On An Illegal Podium - Guardian Editorial by dplomaticVal: 2:11pm On Jun 24, 2013
Okija_juju:

Hers didnt say the seal on it na...


You need to go back and peruse this news painstakingly 'cause twas boldly stated that she carried the seal bearing the nation’s
coat of arms and the
national colours along with her!

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Re: Patience Jonathan On An Illegal Podium - Guardian Editorial by Okijajuju1(m): 2:31pm On Jun 24, 2013
dplomaticVal:

You need to go back and peruse this news painstakingly 'cause twas boldly stated that she carried the seal bearing the nation’s
coat of arms and the
national colours along with her!


[b]This is technically a matter of jurisprudence.. That article is laced with malice and any discerning mind can see it from the tone of the writer.

Her podium carries a symbol, the Nigerian coat of arms which one is constitutionally required to obtain a licence to use. Wether she has indeed obtained one is yet to be as retained by any of us including the writer. You can choose to exercise your right under the Freedom of Information act of 2011 and demand this information from the authorities.

Now the matter of it being a 'seal' is also debatable. Hers just says 'the First Lady, Federal republic of Nigeria', which she indeed is at the moment.

Now maybe under article 6, section B that talks about the use of the coat of arms, if the licence given to her by the minister (assuming she has one) allows for her to use it in such a manner, the I'm sorry she has no case to answer.. It's only a crime when;

1. She does not have any licence to use the coat of arms.

2. She has a licence, but it does not allow for it to be used in such a manner as she has..

Until this is confirmed, I suggest we adjourn this matter and await further evidence..



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Re: Patience Jonathan On An Illegal Podium - Guardian Editorial by EkoIle1: 3:17pm On Jun 24, 2013
^^^^ They don't lincence of give private folks permission to use the Nationa Seal and Coat Of Arms..
Re: Patience Jonathan On An Illegal Podium - Guardian Editorial by Klinee: 4:23pm On Jun 24, 2013
The first lady is going beyond her limitation as a first lady.she need to be caution so that she will realize that she is wife of president not president.And she should try to respect nigeria constitution.
Re: Patience Jonathan On An Illegal Podium - Guardian Editorial by Nobody: 5:03pm On Jun 24, 2013
Okija_juju:


[b]This is technically a matter of jurisprudence.. That article is laced with malice and any discerning mind can see it from the tone of the writer.

Her podium carries a symbol, the Nigerian coat of arms which one is constitutionally required to obtain a licence to use. Wether she has indeed obtained one is yet to be as retained by any of us including the writer. You can choose to exercise your right under the Freedom of Information act of 2011 and demand this information from the authorities.

Now the matter of it being a 'seal' is also debatable. Hers just says 'the First Lady, Federal republic of Nigeria', which she indeed is at the moment.

Now maybe under article 6, section B that talks about the use of the coat of arms, if the licence given to her by the minister (assuming she has one) allows for her to use it in such a manner, the I'm sorry she has no case to answer.. It's only a crime when;

1. She does not have any licence to use the coat of arms.

2. She has a licence, but it does not allow for it to be used in such a manner as she has..

Until this is confirmed, I suggest we adjourn this matter and await further evidence..



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Please read paragraph 6 again, the First Lady or any Nigerian at that does not require a license from the Minister to use the Coat of Arm as long as it is used lawfully except in certain citcumstances. Note the conjunction 'or'.
Re: Patience Jonathan On An Illegal Podium - Guardian Editorial by gulfer: 6:59pm On Jun 24, 2013
J12: On another note. What are the laws guiding the use of the Nigerian coat of arms? Is it illegal for an ordinary citizen to use the national symbol on a personal capacity? Did patience Jonathan commit a crime?
You J̲̥̅̊u̶̲̥̅̊s̶̲̥̅̊t̲̥̅̊ wake up?
Re: Patience Jonathan On An Illegal Podium - Guardian Editorial by Okijajuju1(m): 7:20pm On Jun 24, 2013
percipi1:


Please read paragraph 6 again, the First Lady or any Nigerian at that does not require a license from the Minister to use the Coat of Arm as long as it is used lawfully except in certain citcumstances. Note the conjunction 'or'.

Basically, that law says anybody that uses it contrary to the agreed terms of the licence. Now.. What are the trems of the licence given to Dame for the use of the Coat of Arms, assuming she has obtained one from the relevant authorities

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Re: Patience Jonathan On An Illegal Podium - Guardian Editorial by Garrithe1st: 7:28pm On Jun 24, 2013
Policewoman: Nonsense. This copy and paste article is nothing but an act of a personal vendatta against Dame Patience Jonathan. Didn't other first ladies e.g Abacha, Maryam, Turai do worse?

Backward thinking.

Officer pls Shut up!

Thanks and God bless you.

cool

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Re: Patience Jonathan On An Illegal Podium - Guardian Editorial by Nobody: 7:48pm On Jun 24, 2013
Okija_juju:

Hers didnt say the seal on it na...

This is why I deliberately used the word 'counterfeit'in my earlier post.
The question here is; why would anyone embellish the coat of arms in two concentric circles to give the appearance of a seal, if the plan is not to project a more powerful image subliminally? grin

@ballabriggs actually picked out an event from the same article that could easily be construed as an abuse of power, which so many posters failed to notice.

On another occasion, she sent the Minister of Water Resources, Mrs. Serah Ochekpe, to represent her at a book launch in honour of President Olusegun Obasanjo at the latter’s Presidential Library in Abeokuta.

On a lighter note, what do folks make of this guy's expression of patriotism?

"Nice Tattoo there, it look so nice but before you say it's photoshopped, i'll advice you to look closely.... It's real and definitely not photoshopped. Madness or a Patriotic Nigerian?" - Source

Re: Patience Jonathan On An Illegal Podium - Guardian Editorial by Okijajuju1(m): 7:50pm On Jun 24, 2013
Garri the 1st:

Backward thinking.

Officer pls Shut up!

Thanks and God bless you.

cool

I dare you to go and say this to a Van of JTF in your neighbourhood.. grin
Re: Patience Jonathan On An Illegal Podium - Guardian Editorial by Garrithe1st: 8:00pm On Jun 24, 2013
Okija_juju:

I dare you to go and say this to a Van of JTF in your neighbourhood.. grin

As a sensible person, I stay away from murderous beasts.

cool
Re: Patience Jonathan On An Illegal Podium - Guardian Editorial by MichaelSokoto(m): 8:02pm On Jun 24, 2013
Okija_juju:

I dare you to go and say this to a Van of JTF in your neighbourhood.. grin
Bwaaheeheehee grin *laffin in otuoke tongue*
Re: Patience Jonathan On An Illegal Podium - Guardian Editorial by Garrithe1st: 8:11pm On Jun 24, 2013
Michael Sokoto:
Bwaaheeheehee grin *laffin in otuoke tongue*

As a sensible person, I stay away from murderous beasts.

cool
Re: Patience Jonathan On An Illegal Podium - Guardian Editorial by Nobody: 8:21pm On Jun 24, 2013
Okija_juju:

Basically, that law says anybody that uses it contrary to the agreed terms of the licence. Now.. What are the trems of the licence given to Dame for the use of the Coat of Arms, assuming she has obtained one from the relevant authorities


Section 6 provides that “Any person who, otherwise than in conformity with the terms of a licence granted by the Minister or under other lawful authority, uses or displays¬”
Going by the above section, we can safely assume that Patience Goodluck assumes the use of the Coat of Arm on the authority of the President which falls under “ other lawful authority” Therefore, she does not need to apply for a Minister’s licence.
I think this should settle the controversy. The First lady, I regret to say, is perfectly in order
Re: Patience Jonathan On An Illegal Podium - Guardian Editorial by Samxiulee: 9:56pm On Jun 24, 2013
percipi1:


Section 6 provides that “Any person who, otherwise than in conformity with the terms of a licence granted by the Minister or under other lawful authority, uses or displays¬”
Going by the above section, we can safely assume that Patience Goodluck assumes the use of the Coat of Arm on the authority of the President which falls under “ other lawful authority” Therefore, she does not need to apply for a Minister’s licence.
I think this should settle the controversy. The First lady, I regret to say, is perfectly in order
if the first lady is in order,I guess the president is out of order for giving her the authority to use a "counterfeit"seal,state Governors wives must not be allowed to do same,what the are doing is belittling their spouses offices.
Re: Patience Jonathan On An Illegal Podium - Guardian Editorial by Nobody: 8:54am On Jun 25, 2013
fredopayee:
Shut-up you too. With your own level of education and age you suppose challenge it in law court if you think its illegal and not been here making errant noise.
I don't have such resources to challenge The FirstLady's action in a court of law,The minimum I could do is to Challenge her action here and join voice with those who condemned such actions of hers !!!


Do not shut me down dude !!!

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Re: Patience Jonathan On An Illegal Podium - Guardian Editorial by Nobody: 10:46am On Jun 25, 2013
Right of reply:

Presidency Faults Newspaper Editorial On Dame Jonathan

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SAN FRANCISCO, June 24, (THEWILL) – The Presidency has faulted an editorial opinion titled, ‘First Lady On An Illegal Podium’ published in The Guardian of Sunday, June 23, describing it as another attempt to vilify the First Lady, Dame Patience Jonathan.

Maintaining that the First Lady had been speaking from a podium with official crest for the past two years, the Presidency wondered why The Guardian is just noticing that now.

Describing the editorial opinion as part of the on-going political brinkmanship in the country, and one which smacks of mischief, a statement issued on Monday by the Special Assistant to the President (Media) attached to the Office of the First Lady, Ayo Asinlu, said though the First Lady’s office may not have the constitutional backing, it actually derives from the Presidency, and has responsibilities to discharge duties, whether ceremonial or official, to smoothen the operations of the President and the Presidency.

It also dismissed all the insinuations made to the appointment of the First Lady as a Permanent Secretary in Bayelsa State, saying the Bayelsa Government had done a lot to explain that.

The statement reads: “The Guardian newspaper of Sunday, June 23, 2013 served an Editorial comment on the First Lady of the Federal Republic of Nigeria, Dame (Dr.) Patience Goodluck Jonathan under the title quoted above.

“This effort by the Guardian represented an extension of a recent induced trend in a section of the Nigerian media, which makes the vilification of the First Lady some people’s primary assignment.

“The misfortune in this case however is that a newspaper of the status and respectability of the Guardian would lend itself to such mindless commercialisation of the news. The misfortune runs deeper when the platform so abused is the ‘almighty’ Editorial Opinion.

“We are aware of certain political gladiators who are rolling trunk-loads of money from one media house to another, with an aim of buying copious spaces as well as the conscience of men and women who are willing to sell, the objective being to rake all available mud and sling them at the person and office of First Lady Jonathan, as their own strategic dimension of political brinksmanship.

“How else will an objective observer consider a newspaper waking up on a Sunday morning to suddenly notice that it is an “odium” that the First Lady speaks from a podium with the country’s official seal!

“That the Guardian is just noticing that she speaks from this same podium after over two years is certainly a betrayer of maximum mischief. It also shows that the records of the newspaper are embarrassingly poor to state that it was only in February that she began to speak from a podium with a crest. In any case, does the seal that seems to have given the writers and their paymasters so much sudden concern proclaim “Seal of the Office of the First Lady”? Of course NO. Rather, it simply announces “First Lady of the Federal Republic of Nigeria”!

“One is therefore left to wonder what the hysteria is all about, especially the quick flight to the usual blackmail of convenience: the Office of the First Lady is unrecognised by the Constitution.

“While this is invariably true, one wonders about the practicability of separating the First Lady from the Presidency that offers the platform for the “charity and humanitarian exertion” which the editorial writer agrees are some of the public good a First Lady is expected to deliver.


“We may as well insist that America must separate Michelle Obama from riding on Air Force One, because her office is unconstitutional! It is our view that the First Lady’s office derives from the Presidency, and has responsibilities to discharge, whether ceremonial or official, to smoothen the operations of the President and the Presidency.

“We will not bother ourselves about the Permanent Secretary appointment in Bayelsa State, as both this office and the Bayelsa State government have said enough on the matter. We recognise of course that he who will not hear will not hear, no matter how much you say.

“Finally, may we appreciate the reluctant charity of the Guardian, in admitting that “Madam Jonathan deserves praise for her tireless efforts at improving the lots of Nigerian women”, and that “her campaigns on the political scene did more a lot to impact on her husband’s political fortune. She is indeed a force for good”.

“For obvious professional and ethical reasons, the media must not allow itself to become conspirators with profligate administrations, who squander their people’s common wealth for self-serving political pursuits, while the people remain in abject misery and sinful lack!"

Source
Re: Patience Jonathan On An Illegal Podium - Guardian Editorial by Nobody: 11:04am On Jun 25, 2013
Drop the pretext and stop using a counterfeit seal, simple!

“We may as well insist that America must separate Michelle Obama from riding on Air Force One, because her office is unconstitutional! It is our view that the First Lady’s office derives from the Presidency, and has responsibilities to discharge, whether ceremonial or official, to smoothen the operations of the President and the Presidency.

^^^Since the first ladyship has vowed to continue riding roughshod over the sensibilities of Nigerians, e-warriors have also resolved to document all her inanities, for future studies. cheesy
Re: Patience Jonathan On An Illegal Podium - Guardian Editorial by Okijajuju1(m): 11:15am On Jun 25, 2013
eGuerrilla:

This is why I deliberately used the word 'counterfeit'in my earlier post.
The question here is; why would anyone embellish the coat of arms in two concentric circles to give the appearance of a seal, if the plan is not to project a more powerful image subliminally? grin

@ballabriggs actually picked out an event from the same article that could easily be construed as an abuse of power, which so many posters failed to notice.



On a lighter note, what do folks make of this guy's expression of patriotism?

"Nice Tattoo there, it look so nice but before you say it's photoshopped, i'll advice you to look closely.... It's real and definitely not photoshopped. Madness or a Patriotic Nigerian?" - Source



That guy has defaced the Coat of arms and should be arrested... angry


You cant put the Coat of arms ontop eczema.. angry


grin




Well.. That sending of a minister to represent her at a function... Hmmmm! I no dey talk about that matter.. Only points to how the minister got the job.
Re: Patience Jonathan On An Illegal Podium - Guardian Editorial by Orikinla(m): 12:35pm On Jun 25, 2013
She is actually the real Vice President and second in command. grin
Re: Patience Jonathan On An Illegal Podium - Guardian Editorial by jpphilips(m): 2:59pm On Jun 26, 2013
J12: You folks should let this woman be for Christ's sake. So what if the office of the first lady is unconstitutional and she uses the nigerian coat of arms as an emblem? Does it change anything? No it doesn't.


block head, guess you don't know what those insignia stand for, waiting in line for the next round of free education to take your ignorance to the next level

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