D sage: Atheism is said to be the belief that God does not exist, if these people(atheists) do not believe in superior being(God), as well as other gods and solely rely on their rationalities, why do they belief in such rationality?

Another question is, what is atheists perspective of awareness and consciousness?

What brought about consciousness in man, was it by innate spirit or by physical realm?

Lastly, is wisdom a physical matter?

D sage: What brought about consciousness in man, was it by innate spirit or by physical realm?

Evil Brain: Atheists believe in Haringey have evidence for. I don't believe in God because there's no credible empirical evidence that such a being has ever existed.

Atheists believe in rationality because it works. Like Richard Dawkins said: Planes fly, computers compute, drugs work. All the technological and medical advances humanity has ever made have only come about when people apply logic without regard to religion or superstition. Nobody has ever used the information in the bible or Koran to invent anything.

As to our view on consciousness, there is no single atheist view. Consciousness is very difficult to define and we all have different ways of viewing it. Atheism is not a religion and we don't have any fixed dogma or shared world view. We all believe in different things, the only thing we have in common is our refusal to accept religious proclamations without evidence to back them up.

Evil Brain:

Human consciousness came about in the same eat consciousness arose in all other animals. Chimpanzees gorillas and bonobos are also self aware. So are dogs to a lesser extent. In fact, it impossible to draw a line between self aware animals those that aren't. What you find instead is a gradual progression as you from less complex to more complex animals. The difference between a human being and a dog is one of quantity, not of quality.

Humans have a larger, more complex neocortex, so we are smarter, more capable of abstract thought, and more self aware. And that's what we experience as consciousness.

Please note that this is just my opinion and not the general atheist view. There is no general atheist view.

Evil Brain:

Human consciousness came about in the same eat consciousness arose in all other animals. Chimpanzees gorillas and bonobos are also self aware. So are dogs to a lesser extent. In fact, it impossible to draw a line between self aware animals those that aren't. What you find instead is a gradual progression as you from less complex to more complex animals. The difference between a human being and a dog is one of quantity, not of quality.

Humans have a larger, more complex neocortex, so we are smarter, more capable of abstract thought, and more self aware. And that's what we experience as consciousness.

Please note that this is just my opinion and not the general atheist view. There is no general atheist view.

D sage:

I doubt if you actually study bible very well. Contrary to your view that nobody has ever used information in the bible to invented anything, the following bible verses could be of help to you;

for instance, Job 28:25 says air has weight. Science confirm that air is about 50 miles thick,exactly the right composition to support life.

Job 22:14 and Isaiah 40:22 gives/tell us the earth is not flat but round,which was later found to be true by Christopher Columbus.

Proverb 16:24 and 17:22 explain psychotherapy.

Psalm 139:13-16 poetically describe the value of DNA molecule in the formation of the unborn child.

Infact there are numerous other verses like that in the bible,just try to read and figure them out. The fact is that, every scientist is inspire at least by something which I believe bible is one of.

Evil Brain:

Those are all post-rationalizations. It's only after scientists had made all those discoveries using secular logic that Christians went looking for verses that vaguely fit so they could claim that science validates the bible.

Nobody ever thought those verses has anything to do with what you're claiming until secular scientists told us that those things exist. There is not a single example of anything that was first described in the bible and recognized by people before being confirmed by science.

There's a reason why religious people try and use science to give their beliefs some credibility, while scientists never do the same with religion.

And my original statement still stands: Nobody has ever used bible knowledge to invent anything. If you can use biblical principles to invent a new type of biro or something, then we'll talk.

D sage:

Let assume you were unable to say something about the other questions.

Back to your quoted,I'm sorry to say sir,to me both your original and subsequent statements were sorely based on what you read from scientists works. Have you ever for once try to study personal lives or what inspired the scientists you claimed you know much about?

You mentioned plain fly,computer and the breakthrough in the medical lines, when were those discoveries actually made?

Sir Francis Bacon, Blaise Pascal, Christopher Columbus, Isaac Newton among among many other are believer of God.

So, from where did you established your conclusion?

D sage:
Job 22:14 and Isaiah 40:22 gives/tell us the earth is not flat but round,which was later found to be true by Christopher Columbus.

mazaje:

Belief in the bible does not mean that the bible is of any use to people that do not subscribe to its stories. . .Non of those scientist you mentioned got any special scientific knowledge from the bible. . .No body can use any knowledge gotten from the bible to invent anything, non has and no will. . .

As for your questions. . .Atheist do not belief in god or gods because god is just an idea that was created by humans. . .No god can be shown to exist on its own any where. .God/gods are only human conception and ideas. . .

As for consciousness I don't know where it came from and will not go about making spurious claims and ascribing it to convoluted man made imaginary beings. . .

Mudley313:



How can anybody take the rest of what you wrote seriously with the rubbish in bold above...illiteracy is a disease

D sage:
And I can bet you that all the above discoveries you claim were not made by scientist based on its proclamation in the Bible but rather through rigorous researches and quest for tangible facts and knowledge.

Maybe you should have said that some discoveries made by scientists were also recorded in the Bible.
I doubt if you actually study bible very well. Contrary to your view that nobody has ever used information in the bible to invented anything, the following bible verses could be of help to you;

for instance, Job 28:25 says air has weight. Science confirm that air is about 50 miles thick,exactly the right composition to support life.

Job 22:14 and Isaiah 40:22 gives/tell us the earth is not flat but round,which was later found to be true by Christopher Columbus.

Proverb 16:24 and 17:22 explain psychotherapy.

Psalm 139:13-16 poetically describe the value of DNA molecule in the formation of the unborn child.

Infact there are numerous other verses like that in the bible,just try to read and figure them out. The fact is that, every scientist is inspire at least by something which I believe bible is one of.

Besides, what is so difficult to answer in the last three questions?

Evil Brain:

Those are all post-rationalizations. It's only after scientists had made all those discoveries using secular logic that Christians went looking for verses that vaguely fit so they could claim that science validates the bible.

Nobody ever thought those verses has anything to do with what you're claiming until secular scientists told us that those things exist. There is not a single example of anything that was first described in the bible and recognized by people before being confirmed by science.

There's a reason why religious people try and use science to give their beliefs some credibility, while scientists never do the same with religion.

And my original statement still stands: Nobody has ever used bible knowledge to invent anything. If you can use biblical principles to invent a new type of biro or something, then we'll talk.

D sage:
And I can bet you that all the above discoveries you claim were not made by scientist based on its proclamation in the Bible but rather through rigorous researches and quest for tangible facts and knowledge.

Maybe you should have said that some discoveries made by scientists were also recorded in the Bible, but it did not in fact provoke or automatically cause the real cause for such discoveries. Mind you that the Bible have not in anyway helped humanity to invent any tangible thing by the scientist.
I doubt if you actually study bible very well. Contrary to your view that nobody has ever used information in the bible to invented anything, the following bible verses could be of help to you;

for instance, Job 28:25 says air has weight. Science confirm that air is about 50 miles thick,exactly the right composition to support life.

Job 22:14 and Isaiah 40:22 gives/tell us the earth is not flat but round,which was later found to be true by Christopher Columbus.

Proverb 16:24 and 17:22 explain psychotherapy.

Psalm 139:13-16 poetically describe the value of DNA molecule in the formation of the unborn child.

Infact there are numerous other verses like that in the bible,just try to read and figure them out. The fact is that, every scientist is inspire at least by something which I believe bible is one of.

Besides, what is so difficult to answer in the last three questions?

D sage:

Your fellow atheists are responding politely their views on my questions, and you're here calling it rubbish just to show how un-intellegent you are. An intellegent person don't insult someone view but question it.

Tell us your view or remain silent forever!

Evil Brain: Atheists believe in what we have evidence for. I don't believe in God because there's no credible empirical evidence that such a being has ever existed.

Atheists believe in rationality because it works. Like Richard Dawkins said: Planes fly, computers compute, drugs work. All the technological and medical advances humanity has ever made have only come about when people apply logic without regard to religion or superstition. Nobody has ever used the information in the bible or Koran to invent anything.

As to our view on consciousness, there is no single atheist view. Consciousness is very difficult to define and we all have different ways of viewing it. Atheism is not a religion and we don't have any fixed dogma or shared world view. We all believe in different things, the only thing we have in common is our refusal to accept religious proclamations without evidence to back them up.

Mudley313:
You got all that bullshit verses from "101 Scientific Facts and Foreknowledge" from fundamentalist christian group, Eternal Productions, that usually attempts to demonstrate the credibility of the bible by finding passages that supposedly demonstrate foreknowledge of scientific facts by finding allegorical, metaphorical, and poetic phrases, and then interpreting them to fit their point. All the parts of the bible that are scientifically wrong? Ignored.

Mudley313:

I am unintelligent but you can't even spell the word "intelligent"? For you to boldly state that the earth was discovered to be round, not flat, by Christopher Columbus shows how dull you are; not an insult. Responding to your absurd assertions is actually like responding to a 5 year old; taking totally ambiguous bible verses "after the fact" and finding something in modern science to compare it to is like shooting at an empty wall and drawing a target and bulls eye afterwards; it's easy to take abstract sentences and apply them to completely unrelated subjects

You got all that bullshit verses from "101 Scientific Facts and Foreknowledge" from fundamentalist christian group, Eternal Productions, that usually attempts to demonstrate the credibility of the bible by finding passages that supposedly demonstrate foreknowledge of scientific facts by finding allegorical, metaphorical, and poetic phrases, and then interpreting them to fit their point. All the parts of the bible that are scientifically wrong? Ignored.

Reyginus: My man, you didn't answer my question.

D sage: Atheism is said to be the belief that God does not exist, if these people(atheists) do not believe in superior being(God), as well as other gods and solely rely on their rationalities, why do they belief in such rationality?

Another question is, what is atheists perspective of awareness and consciousness?

What brought about consciousness in man, was it by innate spirit or by physical realm?

Lastly, is wisdom a physical matter?

Kay 17:

There is no God and we don't fully understand Consciousness.

Kay 17:

There is no God and we don't fully understand Consciousness.

Emusan:

Kay 17 I don't believe this! Anyway because it's an immaterials(spirit) you can't fully understand it.

D sage:

Ok sir, thanks for your contribution.

It's only God that fully understand everything,not even science.

Kay 17:

What is a spirit? How is it perceived?

How did you know that?

Emusan:
@bold-can you quote one verse that is wrong about science in Bible?

Emusan:

Spirit is an unseen being that can talk, act like forces, possess physical body e.t.c but no blood and water. (human being has spirit)

Whenever someone will perceive
a higher spirit that greater than human's own it will look as if a hug of force descended on the person i.e in case of the Holyspirit nobody can withstand His force, He will surely pull you down. though we have some fake pastors laying there're hands on some people using fake power to make someone fall.
I believe if atheist can look beyond the lies(just try to be open minded) that God does not exist and search for the truth they will surely find God. "Matt 5:8 Blessed are the pure in heart: for they shall see God".

Like I always say, I believe in science more than some atheist on NL but if not because I've received the baptism of the Holyspirit I might have turn atheist today. I'm not a pastor but I solely believed in the existence of God because I have had personal encountered with Him.

Human beings are limited in their knowledge like in a case of Consciousness, DNA Information, Origin of Life, Dark energy, and Afterlife they all beyond any human comprehension.

Then truly ask yourself, what makes all these things so hard for human to comprehend despite all the advancement in Technology?