France and Portugal accused of refusing entry to their airspace, while plane lands in Vienna with no sign of Snowden

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jul/03/edward-snowden-bolivia-plane-vienna

We have translated more tweets from Argentinian president, Cristina Kirchner. She says she is in regular contact with Morales and has expressed outrage at the ongoing diplomatic incident.

The president said she had spoken to Morales on the phone, and offered legal assistance.

According to the Guardian’s translations, Kirchner said “if Austria does not let them out or wants to check the plane, he can present to the International Court of Justice to ask for a preliminary injunction.”

“I don’t know whether to laugh or cry,” she continued, adding that they can send a judge to Austria.

“Mother of God! What a world!” she exclaimed.

Kirchner said she had spoken to Uruguay president José Mujica who was “indignant” at the “humiliating situation”, and she agreed.

Kirchner said she will also speak again with president Rafael Correa of Ecuador.

My colleague Helen Davidson has spoken to Tanja Malle, an Austrian broadcast journalist who is at Vienna international airport and who tweeted photos of president Morales there earlier.

She says that Morales, the defence minister and the rest of the plane's crew have gone into the VIP area of the airport.

Here are Tanja's updates:


Most of the crew are now inside a [separate] room with Morales...

The crew said the are looking forward to leaving. They were told... hours ago that it would only take minutes.

Morales didn't say anything. He was sitting on the couch next to the defence secretary, who was very angry. The rest of the Bolivians are just tired. They do not seem to be in a bad mood or anything.

Here is the full audio:

Our Washington bureau chief, Dan Roberts, has been assessing the potential fallout from the diplomatic row over the diversion of Morales's flight to Vienna. He writes:


Though the White House declined to confirm whether it ordered Western European allies to block the diplomatic flight containing Bolivia's president, the affair casts further doubt on promises made by Barack Obama that the US would "not scramble jets" to retrieve the whistleblower who has brought so much embarrassment upon his administration.

When the issue first threatened to overshadow delicate relations with major powers such as China and Russia, the US president went out of his way to stress that he would not expend political capital on "wheeling and dealing" just to bring a 29-year-old hacker to justice. Whether he was setting expectations low for the likelihood of Snowden's capture, or genuinely trying to put the issue in proportion remains unclear, but events since have shown the White House is willing to act far tougher with smaller nations who might contemplate rebellion.

First, Washington successfully leant on Ecuador to reverse it's support for Snowden's asylum claim. Congressional leaders threatened to revoke valuable trade agreements and then vice president Joe Biden followed up with a more diplomatic phone call that led to a marked change in tone from Ecuador's president.

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Disgraceful actions from an ever desperate and embarassed US government. Not surprised at the spineless French chipping in too.



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hamlet3 stephenmcr

03 July 2013 12:59am

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Those unspeakable french and portuguese traiters...I certainly wishes to use my country´s to despose of portugal who lives off the EU. You live off of us but dont support us? What a corrupt nation! Portugal be ashamed of yourself...

France: The great speaker of europa and its cultural superiority in movies, against Mc donalds etc down on your knees for the United states...Shame on you France!...And apparently being won by a socialist government? You have lost all respect if this is true..We will remember this... What a country of bigotry...Disallowing morales plane..Shame on you France..Yes I said it twice, Yes I am angry..





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Steller1 nogapsallowed

03 July 2013 1:13am

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Obama is just a puppet of the World Government. Finally everyone sees how all these so called "democracies" are nothing but and have had their governments and sovereignty subverted by the World Government




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Steller1 Steller1

03 July 2013 1:22am

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If the US catches Snowden, that might be the final blow to any semblance of democracy anywhere in the world. Everyone needs to boycott the companies and countries collaborating to the fullest extent possible. One place to start is to give up on the USD

The guy own don done.
Russia is letting him out and nobody wants to or is allowed to take him.

So much for the land of the free? Evil country full evil government, this guy isn't a spy if anything the US government should answer to the spying allegations directed to it. Undemocratic!!

Is the US truely democratic,because this's one of the most undemocratic move they will ever make.
Even Nigeria a supposedly young democracy,have had people including members of the press make nearly treasonous statements,yet they are still walking free in Nigeria, in the spirit of democracy and freedom of speech.
America has turned to a charcade.
Yeye country.

gbadexy: The guy own don done.
Russia is letting him out and nobody wants to or is allowed to take him.

So you actually think Russia is going to let off that guy ? Assange is still a mystery to America and so will this guy be later !

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GottaComment D. Aram Mushegian II

03 July 2013 7:08am

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Indeed..

Whatever it is that Snowden and Greenwald are about to reveal must be preety darn GIGANTIC...

No wonder Putin said if Snowden stops and only if he stops, he can stays in Russia...

Whoever are behind this, they who are hunting Snowden, look like they will stop at nothing..!

what's next? blood? war

Any sane man ought to stop whatever they're working on RIGHT NOW and put their eyes and attention on this ... til the very end.. Follow, watch, tell, awaken others... this is NASTY stuff



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intentsandpurposes appljaxe

03 July 2013 6:58am

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True, but the Yanks wouldn't have dared pulled this stunt had it been the Chinese President on the place.

Hell, they wouldn't have even tried this on with Putin. They probably just thought the Bolivian President was a bit of a pushover and not particularly important.

I hope they are proved wrong



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03 July 2013 6:48am

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Don't get side tracked by weak European governments that submit to pressure, the real villain in this is the US Government that has been spying on its own citizens and that of the world under the guise of securing the country against terrorism . IMHO the US Government brought 9/11 on themselves due primarily to their disastrous foreign policy. John Kerry's recent remarks that Snowden's disclosures could result in someone being killed are ridiculous - just like they tried to blame Julian Assange. If someone gets killed, its not because of either Snowden or Assange but because of the US Government. I used to think quite highly of the US but not any more. I think that I will now try to avoid buying US products as much as possible.

USA, is the world's superpower, accept Snowden at your own peril.

Rafael Correa, the president of Ecuador, has also railed against what he called an "affront to our America," and called on his fellow South American presidents to "take action".

Posting on Twitter, Correa wrote: “Decisive hours for UNASUR! Either we graduated from the colonies, or we claim our independence, sovereignty and dignity. We are all Bolivia!”

Correa said he was trying to convene a UNASUR meeting with other South American leaders.

TRUTHTELA: USA, is the world's superpower, accept Snowden at your own peril.

You mean your own super power? Keep dreaming of a super power, they wouldn't dare putin would they?

Those who force democracy down our throat aren't democratic afterall.

991: Those who force democracy down our throat aren't democratic afterall.

At least they have shown us what they really are? Rogue government! I'm still trying to reconnect with reality, US would never handover a Russian whistleblower to the Kremlin would they?

noso_2004: So much for the land of the free? Evil country full evil government, this guy isn't a spy if anything the US government should answer to the spying allegations directed to it. Undemocratic!!

What do you know about GOVERNANCE, INT'L POLITICS & DIPLOMACY, INTELLIGENCE GATHERING? Nothing!!!

It's easy to log onto the internet and type crap.

USA, is the world's SUPERPOWER. NOBODY messes with them. Even Russia, has told that ignorant little boy that "hey, we can't sacrifice our friendship with the USA" cos of ur NAIVETY.

All the countries on face of this earth OWES USA, one favor or the other. Imagine what they subjected a president to cos of this IGNORANT lil spy.

FYI, USA, liberated Europe, from hitler.

Hong-Kong/China, knows that they can't mess with the USA, hence they DUMPED the IGNORANT and overzealous spy.

USA, remains the LAND OF THE FREE AND HOME OF THE BRAVE.

USA, owes nobody any explanation and will never answer you or anyone.

If Snowden were to be a russian or chinese citizen they would have crushed his bones by now.

So, till the end of this world USA, will continue to rule the earth as the SOLE SUPER POWER...Don't expect any changes, LIVE WITH IT!!!

991: Those who force democracy down our throat aren't democratic afterall.

Democracy is the way forward, what do u prefer? A rogue/dictator like Abacha?

TRUTHTELA: USA, is the world's superpower, accept Snowden at your own peril.

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We presently have super powers, China and Russia you can't toy with.





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noso_2004:

You mean your own super power? Keep dreaming of a super power, they wouldn't dare putin would they?

They are the SUPER POWER. Their TECHNOLOGICAL DISCOVERIES AND ADVANCEMENT helped a man like you to know what computer and internet is and was able to use them to express this ur opinion. You can only wish them FAILURE,but it ain't going to happen. USA will continue to RULE AND MONITOR this earth and nobody will do sh!t

Emperor_007:




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We presently have super powers, China and Russia you can't toy with.







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Says who? Y did they dump the boy? Cos they dont want trouble, neither can they stand a standoff with the world SUPER POWER

Emperor_007:




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We presently have super powers, China and Russia you can't toy with.




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And you know me so well that you know I know nothing about international politics? And only you and you know so much from what you have posted? You should now know why I wouldn't be defending my knowledge of international politics, well at least with you.

TRUTHTELA: USA, is the world's superpower, accept Snowden at your own peril.

Except only you have your own definition of superpower,America won't bring a war to Russian doorstep vice versa.Putin is ever ready to throw that MUTUAL ASSURED DESTRUCTION treaty to the gutter !

How i wish Russia or China can grant snowden asylum. If granted by any of ds 2 country, dn US is in 4 trouble

The jet which carries a world leader is diverted; forced to land.
Ladies and gents, can you imagine this happening to Air Force 1?


You have to wonder why the US is so desperate to get their hands on Snowden. There is more than meets the eye here.

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Except only you have your own definition of superpower,America won't bring a war to Russian doorstep vice versa.Putin is ever ready to throw that MUTUAL ASSURED DESTRUCTION treaty to the gutter !

We have all seen how putin have thwarted their position on Syria on number of occasion , how they have suddenly suspended atomic shield in Poland due to Russia disagreement. World power indeed, only Europe still shivers for this country, if only their would be United States of Europe, that will form the greatest and powerful union ever.

The US is shooting themselves on the foot.
The whole world may revolt against them.

~Bluetooth:



Except only you have your own definition of superpower,America won't bring a war to Russian doorstep vice versa.Putin is ever ready to throw that MUTUAL ASSURED DESTRUCTION treaty to the gutter !

Imagine 300 Nuclear warheads landing on obama's head.
That would be something.

noso_2004:

We have all seen how putin have thwarted their position on Syria on number of occasion , how they have suddenly suspended atomic shield in Poland due to Russia disagreement. World power indeed, only Europe still shivers for this country, if only their would be United States of Europe, that will form the greatest and powerful union ever.

noso_2004:

We have all seen how putin have thwarted their position on Syria on number of occasion , how they have suddenly suspended atomic shield in Poland due to Russia disagreement. World power indeed, only Europe still shivers for this country, if only their would be United States of Europe, that will form the greatest and powerful union ever.

What's the guy saying ? Russia shifted position on syria and the war hasn't ended ? dude don't bother quoting me again,please !

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What's the guy saying ? Russia shifted position on syria and the war hasn't ended ? dude don't bother quoting me again,please !

Have you carefully read or you have learning difficulties?

Austria allowed Morales's plane to land because it had no fear that that Snowden might be on board, an Austrian foreign ministry spokesman told ORF radio. He said:


Austria did not close its airspace and the plane could of course land although many other countries apparently feared that Snowden was on board too. Austria did not do that, which means there is no fear here.

Austrian officials have said that Snowden is not on board. But a journalist on the ground said that it was impossible for them to ascertain this, as, according to the plane crew, they were not allowed to enter the jet (as a presidential plane they can restrict access).

Much ado about.....SOMETHING.

New World Order at work. This is bad news- for every person on the planet.

Audio has been posted purporting to be of the conversation between a pilot aboard Morales's flight and the control room at Vienna airport.

Although the Guardian cannot 100% verify the audio, it comes from a source who has a track record of monitoring aviation communications. (In this 2011 article, Huub, also known online as “BlackBox” and @FMCNL, is described as a former member of the Dutch military who has been monitoring radio frequency scanners, amplifiers, and antennas for more than 25 years.)

Part of the conversation goes:


“Do you need any assistance?”

“Not at this moment. We need to land because we cannot get a correct indication of the fuel indication...we need to land.”

This problem might indicate why Bolivian Foreign Minister David Choquehuanca accused France and Portugal of putting the president's life at risk by cancelling authorisation for the plane. But it is hard to believe that those countries would have refused permission to land if a problem was reported.