Efemena_xy:





Oh please Deols!!

Don't go all modest on me! Of course you know exactly what goes on in there!

Now if you're saying that they aren't good role models, then who is? Surely the people need someone on earth to emulate? Just as Christians look up to their pastors, rev. fathers, priests and even the pope?

Could it be that I am getting you wrong?

what does an harem mean and where is one found? #honestquestion.

Efemena_xy:



Then let's make those hairs stand up even further!!

@Tintingz: You do know that homosexual marriages are gradually being accepted? Even in the church - yes? I'm referring to the gay Anglican Bishop and many other gay people that have taken up leadership seats in the church. So what are your views about them?

Additionally, do you know that it's just a matter of time before gay polygamous marriages would be the norm? (hopefully, you'll get their wedding invite...) So, get prepared for situations where 1 man is married to 4 or 5 other men, likewise, 1 woman married to 4 or 5 other women.

Now that's what I call equality and fairness! What d'you think?? Are you gonna discriminate against them too?

exactly illk love to see the looks on the faces of those pathetic and miserable judgemental chauvenists

deols:

Could it be that I am getting you wrong?

what does an harem mean and where is one found? #honestquestion.

Here:

har·em
/ˈhe(ə)rəm/
Noun
1. The part of a Muslim household reserved for wives, concubines, and female servants.
2. The wives (or concubines) of a polygamous man.

Efemena_xy:





Oh please Deols!!

Don't go all modest on me! Of course you know exactly what goes on in there!

Now if you're saying that they aren't good role models, then who is? Surely the people need someone on earth to emulate? Just as Christians look up to their pastors, rev. fathers, priests and even the pope?

abeggiii leave them with their pretentious modesty.like they dont know that some of their alfas who claim to be 'role models are rapists and paedophiles what of the muslim sleric that was f,1,,n,,,ge.ring his student that is a minor nko? there is no role model anywhere,dont let anybody call monkey chimpanze for you.you are your own role model,issshhh

kulyie: abeggiii leave them with their pretentious modesty.like they dont know that some of their alfas who claim to be 'role models are rapists and paedophiles what of the muslim sleric that was f,1,,n,,,ge.ring his student that is a minor nko? there is no role model anywhere,dont let anybody call monkey chimpanze for you.you are your own role model,issshhh

GBAM!!

biolabee:

founder of facebook - Mark Zuckerberg

yes,yes,ose jare padi mi

deols: @tintingz, do you really need all of these arguments.

Chauvinism doesnt suit you jor.

Like the op, I believe polygyny isnt only wanted by men. There are women who thrive in such unions. Allowing them that is good enough.



I must say that I agree with many of feminist views. There are other terms to describe women who don't want to keep to the real, men-hating feminism.They could be womanist or members of women organisations.

I am a humanist btw.

humanist....?!


i thought u were a muslim

do you really know what humanism means

^^^^^^

a muslim claiming not to know what harem means

at least they know what boko haram is

Efemena_xy:

Zoe.

I don't need you preaching at me. Save it.

What you need to do is proffer real solutions to help this woman here. As per those examples you've listed, those men whether you like it or not lived, slept, ate and had kids with those women. Despite their 'extenuating' circumstances, they lived as husband and wives. There are countless examples in that bible of yours (old testament of men taking more than one wife.)

So again, what should @OP do? She needs a practical solution, not some ideological preaching about what the 'truth' is or isn't.

gbam.nigerians smh.always bringing religion and sermon into everything.reminds me of one lazy secretary that was transferred to my office.always sleeping and eating in the office.once she types for twenty minutes,she will sleep off and when i ask about how far with the work i gave her to do before she closes she will be telling me it is well ma.,you are blessed,you are covered with the blood of jesus,i told her immediately you must be crazy.if it is sleep you came here to sleep why didnt you come with your matress to the office.the next time you say anything about religion,i will give you query.keep our religious vews to yourself,do what you are paid to do and get out by 4 pm.you wont do your work,you will be preaching.maybe it is a fada that employed you,maybe it is xyz company,we will know at the end of the month.that was the day she sat up,did her work and left her religious views outside my office

biolabee: ^^^^^^

a muslim claiming not to know what harem means

at least they know what boko haram is

biolllaaa! Biolaaaaaa! Biola! How many times did i call you




you are pulling the tail of a sleeping lion

kulyie: gbam.nigerians smh.always bringing religion and sermon into everything.reminds me of one lazy secretary that was transferred to my office.always sleeping and eating in the office.once she types for twenty minutes,she will sleep off and when i ask about how far with the work i gave her to do before she closes she will be telling me it is well ma.,you are blessed,you are covered with the blood of jesus,i told her immediately you must be crazy.if it is sleep you came here to sleep why didnt you come with your matress to the office.the next time you say anything about religion,i will give you query.keep our religious vews to yourself,do what you are paid to do and get out by 4 pm.you wont do your work,you will be preaching.maybe it is a fada that employed you,maybe it is xyz company,we will know at the end of the month.that was the day she sat up,did her work and left her religious views outside my office

Haha!

Immediate sacking jare.

Me I no like pretense

How she go talk say she no know wetin harem mean

Ok.. Arabian nights can help

Lol

kulyie: biolllaaa! Biolaaaaaa! Biola! How many times did i call you




you are pulling the tail of a sleeping lion

tintingz: Lolz... If one rod is digging like 4 holes the each hole wont lose the tight V but imagine 4 rod digging one hole everyday(you know men nau) and see how the hole will be infact those rod wont enjoy that single hole anymore after the shaggin

let that be the buisness of the owners of the vaginas and by the way what makes you think every female is obsessed with sex like you.moreover i thought you were hiding under the cover of religious justification and morality,why are you subtly encouraging sleeping with various ladies :p

biolabee: Me I no like pretense

How she go talk say she no know wetin harem mean

Ok.. Arabian nights can help

Lol

hehehehe thats why i loff you 8-) youre just my kind of person always on point

Efemena_xy:

Haha!

Immediate sacking jare.

i have to put into consideration that she has mouths to feed and schoolfees of her children to pay,so i cant just be that hard.that one is just a warning

kulyie: i have to put into consideration that she has mouths to feed and schoolfees of her children to pay,so i cant just be that hard.that one is just a warning

Then in that case, I really do need to come back to Naija sharp-sharp and take up employment there. Seems the working conditions are much more favourable where one can sleep on duty. Sleep more hours than is actually worked and still not get sacked!

Ah, this life is unfair o!

tintingz: Non of them are right.
If they are all been molested or suffered from their men, why coming out and generalizing all men as rapist, animals? Didnt they have father and brothers....feminism is a hate group to men, they use some few animalistic-men to judge the whole men SMH...

I dont hate women i have a mother and sisters but i hate feminist thinking, that group promotes hate on men nothing more

Lolz. . .are only women the victim, what about men that have suffered from women violence act, so because men are strong type and women are the jelly makes you and co feminist think many men doesnt face abuse, assault from women?

I have read in many news and magazines infact heard how some women destroy innocent men. . .so dont make it look like it is only women that are being assaulted or abused

Yeah thank God you didnt study law because the hatred you have for men is over rated that i wonder if you have brothers at home


oh yes beautiful they are i dont have problem with them, i dont hate,loathe women but the hate spirit(feminism) they organized to promot hate is what i dont like sorry to say ya'll feminist are just a weapon to destroy men no wonder mumy blue ivy(beyouce) was shouting 'who run the world girls' wannabe pump azz

wanna be chauvenist and misogynist pretending to love women.hate it all you can females run the world.beyonces song is only a confirmation and o yes men are abused too no doubt about that but who triggers the anger in them,is it not animalistic men.no woman was born vicious,some men suffer attacks from women majorly because they have pushed women to the extreme and when they retaliate,its always with bottled up anger so dont turn tables around.

3rdly,i have a father and yes he is completly fabulous.a father in every regard so my hatred is not for men in general but for animalistic men and trust me i dont hesitate to unleash my wrath upon them when i have the opportunity to.there is even one stewpeed play boy when i was a corper that used to come to greet me,of course i didnt let him in because i knew he had something up his sleeves and that places is a bushy area.if he decides to rape me,no one will be able to deliver me and i didnt even want him to come at all.i have told him to stop coming,he wont listen.this was a guy that slept with my friends kid sis,deceived her with marriage and later dumped her and now he is comming to woo me.so this fateful day and unfortunate day for him,i saw him comming from afar but was engaging in a discussion with someone from a distance.i quickly used that opportunity to go to the bathroom turned on the tap to the bucket and filled the water.i took it to the kitchen and pluged the electic kettle to boil the water.Happily for me,the water was already hot to its boiling point by the time he was at the door and i told him to wait at the door,i am comming.i poured the hot water in the bucket,poured plenty cameroon pepper inside the hot water and carried it towards the sitting room.by the time i opened the door for him,i baptized his face down to his legs with that hot water and threw the bucket at him and told him,that is just a tip of the ice berg,if you come here again,you will find yourself in the cell.i shut the door immediately.i didnt even wait or cared to know how he feared.that is an example of a man arousing my innate anger for him because of the bottled up hatred i had for his act and the fact that he still had the effontery to woo me with ill motive.

Efemena_xy:

Then in that case, I really do need to come back to Naija sharp-sharp and take up employment there. Seems the working conditions are much more favourable where one can sleep on duty. Sleep more hours than is actually worked and still not get sacked!

Ah, this life is unfair o!

buhahahahahahaahha please do o aunty work scarce for naija o

This is and epic case of feminist not really knowing what they want, they therefore keep fighting the wrong battles, it's not surprising because of their motive is one based on their dire hatred towards men instead of genuine concern towards the plight of their fellow women.

I really can't make a strong case against polygamy, and if the end game is to legalize bigamy I think it is not worth it.

Even if both is legalised.
I think it will backfire, given that we men are strong willed, domineering, are the key providers, and by default polygamous by nature, the average man can't nurse the idea of bigamy except in few extreme cases, I think it will adversely affect the female gender who no matter what the Feminist say are weak willed, prefer a monogamous relationship by nature but are also easily gullible to entering a polygamous relationship. Polygamy will result to a new kind of single motherhood, where a woman is married but still ends up bringing up her kids like a single mum. Women will be treated more like medals and ego boosting toys. That's is not to say I don't like polygamy and care less if bigamy is legalised in the future but because of my strong understanding of the significance of monogamous relationship and how it in-turn affects the construct of the society I don't support it.

The support for polygamy with bigamy as the end game I think, is mainly from feminist who regret been women, and are doing all they can to at least be treated like men, which I am not against but please let not your hatred towards men lead you to inadvertently support policies that are not beneficial to the average woman.

Remember if you ever need reason to support evil, you'll surely find plenty.

Efemena_xy:

Besides, if you're going down the religious routes, Muslims are allowed to marry 4 wives and have as many concubines as they can cater for. (Muslims in the house, correct me if I'm wrong here o!, I'm no expert...)

I had to clarify this:

The statement is untrue, Muslims are ONLY allowed to marry four wives in this age and time. I would clarify what i mean.

To understand this, you have to travel a few thousand years back. Slavery was a common practice in arabia before Islam and the slaves were essentially captives from war.

Islam inculcated these slave women into society by giving them freedom and made them equal citizens in society.

Therefore, a muslim man could at that time take these women (aside the four) as 'wives' (what you will call concubines).

They had the same exact rights as normal wives, their children had the right to inheritance. Imagine, the child of the slave girl could inherit. Many times, in kingdoms, the child of the slave girl became king.

There was absolutely no difference amongst the children. The slave girl becomes a permanent member of the home.

I don't see any slave women today in need of liberation.

Efemena_xy:

Here:

har·em
/ˈhe(ə)rəm/
Noun
1. The part of a Muslim household reserved for wives, concubines, and female servants.
2. The wives (or concubines) of a polygamous man.

My understanding of harem meant where concubines are kept. It never included wives until now.

Like I said, having up to 4 wives is allowed but more, not. If any Muslim goes ahead yo marry more, his cup of tea. He would be judged according to his actions.

Don't forget that I initially corrected your statement about how Islam allows men to marry and have as many concubines as possible.

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kulyie: abeggiii leave them with their pretentious modesty.like they dont know that some of their alfas who claim to be 'role models are rapists and paedophiles what of the muslim sleric that was f,1,,n,,,ge.ring his student that is a minor nko? there is no role model anywhere,dont let anybody call monkey chimpanze for you.you are your own role model,issshhh

Are you trolling or what??

and what if an alfa does something wrong? does it make him right and acting in accordance with Islam or doing what every Muslim does?

Your thoughts are even incoherent for you would have seen that I was against calling anyone a role model.

Is reverend King your role model and representing Christian teachings of killing?

@Efemmena xy

Now if you're saying that they aren't good role models, then who is? Surely the people need someone on earth to emulate? Just as Christians look up to their pastors, rev. fathers, priests and even the pope?

The role models for Muslims are the prophet and the rightly guided khilaafa who followed him.Not a harem keeping 21st century man.

I was born into Islam and in my 20+yrs on earth, relating most of the time with Muslims, I have never seen a harem.

Could an harem be a myth?




About role models, I have to ask you if reverend King is one to you, or the pastor who
got eaten at UI zoo.

I would even like to ask whether a pastor Kumuyi lifestyle or a pastor Chris Oyakhilome is the true Christian one.

Well, my conclusion remains that it is everyone to themselves, eventually.

deols:

Are you trolling or what??

and what if an alfa does something wrong? does it make him right and acting in accordance with Islam or doing what every Muslim does?

Your thoughts are even incoherent for you would have seen that I was against calling anyone a role model.

Is reverend King your role model and representing Christian teachings of killing?

see table turnings o

kulyie: see table turnings o

You can't be that lazy Why not go back and read what I wrote.

kulyie: i have no plans for marriage,but even if anything posseses me and i say i want to get married,i will go into an open marriage where the man can sleep with an many women as he wants to sleep with whether married or unmarried and i can sleep with as many men as i want.its a win win situation,nobody is the winner and nobody is the looser.a contract marriage,more like we are only mr and mrs by name,thats all.no one is heart broken,no one feels cheated.kojubelo

I doubt any sane man, will desire to marry you no matter your looks, educational or financial status, highest they will do is use and dump you once they discover you have a psychological hatred towards men.

Your feminist stance is not pure it is filled with hate, powered by anger and fuelled by blood. I believe in giving women the rights they deserve . I also think Your kind of feminist is a dent to true feminists. You really need healing from the bad experiences you've had with men, not just to enable you get married but help protect your sanity because the bitter truth is that you are still in a Man's world till further notice.

Matthew briggs:

Remember if you ever need reason to support evil, you'll surely find plenty.

Exactly! Just like you did here...

Matthew briggs: I think it will backfire, given that we men are strong willed and domineering, we are the key providers and by default polygamous by nature

How does being a key provider make you polygamous by default. So if a woman is a key provider, she will naturally desire to marry several husbands?


I do agree that legalizing polygamy to get to the end game of polyandry is not a worthwhile endeavor though I disagree with your biased reasoning for this. Neither should be legalized. Ms Keenan should take a chair and sit down abeg. Even if she doesn't have a bait and switch in mind, her position is very dodgy and it would show that she is not very bright.

Matthew briggs:

I doubt any sane man, will desire to marry you no matter your looks, educational or financial status, highest they will do is use and dump you once they discover you have a psychological hatred towards men.

Your feminist stance is not pure it is filled with hate, powered by anger and fuelled by blood. I believe in giving women the rights they deserve. Your kind of feminist is a dent to true feminists. You really need healing from the bad experiences you've had with men, not just to enable you get married but help protect your sanity because the bitter truth is that you are still in a Man's world till further notice.

are you ok? Did i tell you i am interested in men for a relationship. Anyway there is no need for replying you.your post lacks coherence,substance and point,i dont know what you are on about and sincerely,i dont care.your shallow mindedness is pathetic to say the least :/

deols:

My understanding of harem meant where concubines are kept. It never included wives until now.

Like I said, having up to 4 wives is allowed but more, not. If any Muslim goes ahead yo marry more, his cup of tea. He would be judged according to his actions.

Don't forget that I initially corrected your statement about how Islam allows men to marry and have as many concubines as possible.

Deols, Deols, Deols....

You contradict yourself, yet again.

You say you've corrected my assumptions about muslim men keeping concubines and yet in the same breath you say your understanding of harem "meant where concubines are kept"??

By whom na? (Muslim men)
And what for? (mostly sex)

So how is that any different from what this thread is about? But most importantly, what exactly is your point here? Which side are you on??

tbaba1234:

I had to clarify this:

The statement is untrue, Muslims are ONLY allowed to marry four wives in this age and time. I would clarify what i mean.

To understand this, you have to travel a few thousand years back. Slavery was a common practice in arabia before Islam and the slaves were essentially captives from war.

Islam inculcated these slave women into society by giving them freedom and made them equal citizens in society.

Therefore, a muslim man could at that time take these women (aside the four) as 'wives' (what you will call concubines).

They had the same exact rights as normal wives, their children had the right to inheritance. Imagine, the child of the slave girl could inherit. Many times, in kingdoms, the child of the slave girl became king.

There was absolutely no difference amongst the children. The slave girl becomes a permanent member of the home.

I don't see any slave women today in need of liberation.

Re the bolded: Okay.

So it begs the question then: Why do many of these men still keep concubines? For what purpose?

Efemena_xy:

Re the bolded: Okay.

So it begs the question then: Why do many of these men still keep concubines? For what purpose?

A muslim man can not keep concubines.. He has a limit of 4 four wives. Beyond that is adultery, a major sin in Islam.

The condition for slave women were specific to the time.

By the way, who are 'these men'?

Most muslim men are monogamous, only a very small percentage practise polygamy.