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Muslims Reject Child Marriage And Absolve Islam Of The Blame Based On Facts by LagosShia: 4:18pm On Jul 20, 2013 |
I decided to open this thread to refute those who blame islam on the subject,especially the islamophobes.i want to gather all my refutations in one thread so the facts can be examined objectively. https://www.nairaland.com/1365926/protest-against-child-marriage-hold/5#16919491 jelel6: If she is below 18, leave her alone! Perverts! Dirty animals! please as much as I respect your passion in defending Islam (as you perceive the attacks of non-muslims as targeting Islam),it is not every time a muslim does wrong that we should accommodate his action as Islamic and rush to defend him.Islam says if a girl is physically and mentally mature,with the consent of her parents and the girl herself,she can marry.this is the case because in olden days when famine and diseases were wide spread (high mortality rate),there was need for early marriage to procreate and preserve human society.in those days there were no schools and no responsibilities as we have today.Islam does not say a girl who hardly have brea$ts should get married.what famine or disease is yerima afraid of in 2013 that he is dire need to marry a 13 year old to produce children? do not abuse the wisdom in Islam to satisfy desires of perverts.there is physical and mental (psychological) maturity required and the consent of the parents and the girl,and also the environment and the time must be taken into consideration before marriage or deciding the age of marriage.even in the western countries 100 years ago,the age of consent was as low as 10.but now they stopped that and increased the age of consent.why must a senator as old as yerima want to be living in the past when it was expedient that once a girl is physically and mentally mature can be consensually married? is the Egyptian girl even at 13 mature enough physically and mentally? did she have a say,or did her parents sell her off because yerima flunted in their faces some dollars he didn't slave for? which muslim country presently accepts a girl of 9 to be married? wont she go to school? are we still living in the past when there was no education,and girls' only task was to ensure procreation? we should stop causing problems for ourselves and giving chance to islamophobes to pick on us.we are the cause of the problem. 9 Likes |
Re: Muslims Reject Child Marriage And Absolve Islam Of The Blame Based On Facts by LagosShia: 4:20pm On Jul 20, 2013 |
https://www.nairaland.com/1365926/protest-against-child-marriage-hold/5#16919045 nijanigga: why don't you use common sense instead of your blind Christian ignorance and hatred for anything Muslim and Islam? Ask yourselves why did Senator Yerima not marry his 13 year girl in Egypt,but instead brought her to Nigeria? Egypt is a predominantly Muslim country where the age of consent for girls is 18 year old.Nigeria was at age 13 for girls,and now Nigerian Senators trying to use religion as a cover for their selfish desires are giving Muslims a publicity burden and giving islamophobes the chance to whine about how "evil" Islam is.Senator Yerima should have married his bride in Egypt instead of Nigeria if what he is practicing is what Muslims believe in.there is no Muslim country presently that have set the age of consent for girls at 9. please people should put prejudices and hatred aside and reason. 1 Like |
Re: Muslims Reject Child Marriage And Absolve Islam Of The Blame Based On Facts by LagosShia: 4:21pm On Jul 20, 2013 |
LagosShia: [b]first muslims do not support "underage" marriage as the title of the thread suggest. we have to first understand who is "underage" to conclude that muslims are supporting "underage" marriage or not.according to Nigerian law,the age of consent for girls in Nigeria is 13 year old.if you look at many muslim countries,the age is above that as different factors are also considered. |
Re: Muslims Reject Child Marriage And Absolve Islam Of The Blame Based On Facts by LagosShia: 4:23pm On Jul 20, 2013 |
https://www.nairaland.com/846958/tell-me-why-mohammed-married#9975159: LagosShia: TURNING THE TABLES ON THE IGNORANT CHRISTIAN MISSIONARIES: [size=14pt][b]WAS AISHA REALLY 9 YEAR OLD WHEN PROPHET MUHAMMAD (sa) MARRIED HER? PLEASE WATCH BELOW:[/size] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HXCvnposB1k https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2o6sjyuoSUc&NR=1 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WaWsDhOqpkY |
Re: Muslims Reject Child Marriage And Absolve Islam Of The Blame Based On Facts by Nobody: 4:28pm On Jul 20, 2013 |
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Re: Muslims Reject Child Marriage And Absolve Islam Of The Blame Based On Facts by LagosShia: 4:53pm On Jul 20, 2013 |
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Re: Muslims Reject Child Marriage And Absolve Islam Of The Blame Based On Facts by LagosShia: 4:54pm On Jul 20, 2013 |
uniqueval: Thank you for your contribution welcome. |
Re: Muslims Reject Child Marriage And Absolve Islam Of The Blame Based On Facts by LagosShia: 5:13pm On Jul 20, 2013 |
M.B.O Owolowo: Child marriage: In the name of…? By M.B.O Owolowo on July 19, 2013 Dailypost The passage of the loathsome ‘Child Marriage’ law, following the amendment of Section 29(4) (b) of the 1999 Constitution, has been rightly criticised by the general public, I believe it should have been named appropriately as what it is, the “paedophilic law”. Many cynics consider this bill an open invitation to the world’s randiest paedophiles and sex tourists, that we are open for lascivious business. I know majority of legislators have hoodwinked the populace on many issues, including the tacit siphoning of our commonwealth, but I seriously wonder if they deliberated thoroughly on the wider implications of such actions. I must state I am gladdened by Senator Babafemi Ojudu’s revelation of the senate’s voting pattern, so all hope isn’t lost. This ‘Child Marriage’ law is motivated by nothing more than the perversion of man, and the contumacious excesses of particular lawmakers who sponsor and support such lewdness. When such absurdities are initiated, there are always champions who lead such queasy causes, one of such protagonists is the latest “Spiritual consultant” to the President, Senator Sani Ahmed Yerima, who gained notoriety for his marriage to a young Egyptian girl. Though maligned for his actions, some wondered how it’s anyone’s business, after all the parents the Egyptian girl fully approved of it. Agreed, what some of our lawmakers and public servants do in private is their business, but the enactment of such a law is another matter entirely. I wouldn’t even delve into the controversial introduction of “Sharia” by Yerima and others- which was nothing more than political fanfare across many Northern states. However, of important note was the chopping off a man’s hand for allegedly stealing during Yerima’s tenure as Governor, interestingly, the former EFCC boss, Nuhu Ribadu, accused Yerima of “direct stealing” of State funds as Governor of Zamfara- so why the selective chopping off of hands? Evidently, we can’t all share the same views in any society, and respecting opposing views is encouraged, however I believe Child Rights should supersede all the divergent views in any polity, crossing all geographical enclaves. I concede there are many people, who not only support such views as Yerima but also practice it, though such practices occur across the country, it is prevalent in Northern Nigeria- but it would be wrong to insinuate everyone from the North is in support of Child Marriage. [b] On a personal note, of all the rhetoric in support of this bizarre practice, there’s nothing I find more repugnant than using the religion of Islam as justification. Historically, Islam is often misrepresented and perceived through bias Orientalist pejorative- an orchestrated mechanism devised primarily to demonize Prophet Mohammed and Islam. These Orientalists and those who reason as such, often mention the age of Aisha, the wife of the Prophet Mohammed, to promote an agenda meant to ridicule the entire faith. Please permit me to digress and address my Muslim brethren without going into too much detail. The notion that Aisha was 6 at betrothal or 9 at consummation can’t be substantiated, as the veracity of that story has been debunked with historical events that contradict such a possibility. Evidences such as when she was born, period Aisha’s parents accepted Islam, her previous betrothal to someone else (Jubair), the time Khadija (first wife of Prophet) died, age of Fatima (Prophet Mohammed’s daughter) a contemporary of Aisha, age of Aisha’s sister, Asma. Other evidences include, Aisha’s involvement in some expeditions, battle of Uhud especially, her scholarly contributions, time of her death and other indisputable facts, have nullified this age ’6′ and ’9′ fable. Some scholars, through the rigorous study of such evidences, stated Aisha may have been at least 19 years of age during her consummation.[/b] It is important to state, there’s a difference between betrothal and consummation. A child, female especially, can be betrothed from the day she is born, which is still practised in many parts of the world, but, consummation is the real deal and the major concern, because this involves sexual intercourse. There are cultural variations across the world with the ages ranging between 16 and 20 as marriageable age, however, age of sexual consent is another issue. For instance, some Child Marriage practices, sometimes motivated by the need to cement political or financial ties, were previously acceptable in Western countries, but aren’t exactly commonplace presently. In the United Kingdom for example, we are aware girls under the age of 15 are sexually active and are delivering babies regularly, but the law states 18 as minimum age for marriage and 16 with parental consent, though in Scotland it is 16. The same applies to most African countries and even Muslim dominated countries. These are facts, those who think it’s their “religious” duty or obligation to have child brides, may want to reconsider. I am of the opinion this practice has more to do with culture than religion- an aberration all enlightened Muslim’s must reject intellectually. The Quran should be the basis and its superiority to the Hadith, which are narratives, must be emphasized. There are verses in the Quran highlighting maturity and consent before marriage. So its wrongs to cherry-pick aspects of religious texts, like Hadith, and usually out of context, to suit personal whims, however perverted. The same admonitory caution goes to mischief-makers trying to disparage Islam and cast aspersions on Prophet Mohammed. These are the hypocrites who only become “righteous” anytime it’s time to criticise Islam or it’s another “Open Season” on Muslim’s. These are people who in no way adhere to the dictates of their professed faith, but are the most opprobrious in such anti-Islamic matters. I would like to give a big Kudos to some non- Muslims, Christians especially, for their objectivity: their opposition to tainting Islam on this matter, but concentrating on the real issue of Child Rights. Many studies have revealed poverty is a key factor in almost all child marriage cases and indirectly related to Obstetric Fistula. Economic hardship leads many families to sell or lease their male and female children to sexual predators and child molesters across the globe. I would implore the same energies that have rejected this Child Marriage bill be spent rejecting the factors perpetuating poverty in our milieu. I gathered the Nigerian Senate passed the bill on religious rights grounds, if true; they may want to rescind such a decision- as it can’t be explicitly justified in the name of religion. I don’t know which “Islamic law” Senator Yerima is referring to in his twisted defence of a despicable act, as I am not aware of any. I hope those who hide under the guise of religion are aware Islam permits the evolvement of socio-cultural related laws- who knows, we may soon get one for the castration of men who only lust after prepubescent girls. Religious rights mustn’t be abused under any guise, the fundamental human rights of others mustn’t be infringed upon in the name of religion. Let us protect the rights of our children. God Bless Nigeria! m.b.o.owolowo@gmail.com -M.B.O 2013© http://dailypost.com.ng/2013/07/19/m-b-o-owolowo-child-marriage-in-the-name-of/ 1 Like |
Re: Muslims Reject Child Marriage And Absolve Islam Of The Blame Based On Facts by Gboliwe: 5:39pm On Jul 20, 2013 |
So, why are the lawmakers using the koran to back up their animalistic desires? This is interesting, even Niger, I mean Niger o still has small decency o |
Re: Muslims Reject Child Marriage And Absolve Islam Of The Blame Based On Facts by Rafidi: 5:40pm On Jul 20, 2013 |
https://www.nairaland.com/1365650/femi-fani-kayode-nation-perverts-paedophiles/4#16916032 Rafidi : 1 Like |
Re: Muslims Reject Child Marriage And Absolve Islam Of The Blame Based On Facts by LagosShia: 5:45pm On Jul 20, 2013 |
Gboliwe: So, why are the lawmakers using the koran to back up their animalistic desires? they should tell us which verse of the Quran support what they are promoting.#ignorance #greed #desires #fantasies #poverty #exploitation. I will be convinced the lawmakers are god-fearing people who are only concerned about pleasing Allah (swt) and upholding "His law",when just a few among them who passed the bill give out their 9 year old daughters for marriage.they should lead by example. |
Re: Muslims Reject Child Marriage And Absolve Islam Of The Blame Based On Facts by ITbomb(m): 6:13pm On Jul 20, 2013 |
People like you would make me have respect for Islam but alas you are in the minority |
Re: Muslims Reject Child Marriage And Absolve Islam Of The Blame Based On Facts by LagosShia: 6:19pm On Jul 20, 2013 |
ITbomb: People like you would make me have respect for Islam but alas you are in the minority ignorance in both Islam and other fields is the problem.regardless I do not think I am in the minority.the majority of muslims do not marry 9 year old girls,hence the law to allow 9 year old girls to get married does not serve the majority of muslims,but a few men of desires and ugly fantasies.therefore it is best Islam is not used as a cover,when in the first place it doesn't support the act as some imagine.the burden and bad publicity,the muslims end up paying for it. |
Re: Muslims Reject Child Marriage And Absolve Islam Of The Blame Based On Facts by Paschal007: 6:21pm On Jul 20, 2013 |
Is it the islamophbes' that are asking for child marriage laws in the name of Islam? No, rather it's muslims representatives in the Senate that are asking for it. Such of your women as have passed the age of monthly courses, for them the prescribed period, if ye have any doubts, is three months, and for those who have no courses (it is the same): for those who carry (life within their wombs), their period is until they deliver their burdens: and for those who fear Allah, He will make their path easy. 65;4 Sayyid Abul Ala Maududi Here, one should bear in mind the fact that according to the explanations given in the Quran the question of the waiting period arises in respect of the women with whom marriage may have been consummated, for there is no waiting-period in case divorce is pronounced before the consummation of marriage. (Al-Ahzab: 49). Therefore, making mention of the waiting-period for the girls who have not yet menstruated, clearly proves that it is not only permissible to give away the girl in marriage at this age but it is also permissible for the husband to consummate marriage with her. Now, obviously no Muslim has the right to forbid a thing which the Quran has held as permissible. Commentary on Qur'an Chapter 65:4 Sayyid Abul Ala Maududi, Tafhim al-Qur'an 'Ibn Kathir The `Iddah of Those in Menopause and Those Who do not have Menses Allah the Exalted clarifies the waiting period of the woman in menopause. And that is the one whose menstruation has stopped due to her older age. Her `Iddah is three months instead of the three monthly cycles for those who menstruate, which is based upon the Ayah in (Surat) Al-Baqarah. [see 2:228] The same for the young, who have not reached the years of menstruation. Their `Iddah is three months like those in menopause. This is the meaning of His saying. The `Iddah of Those in Menopause and Those Who do not have Menses (Qur'an 65:4) Tafsir Ibn Kathir That's Islamic scholars interpretation on the verse. I guess they're no different from yerima and co. |
Re: Muslims Reject Child Marriage And Absolve Islam Of The Blame Based On Facts by Gboliwe: 6:35pm On Jul 20, 2013 |
Its funny really. I mean, why are you not talking to your fellow moslems and you are referencing innocent Christian bystanders? If you think somebody is not reading the koran well, deal with that person. This child marriage that has your koran's backing is sickening. 2 Likes |
Re: Muslims Reject Child Marriage And Absolve Islam Of The Blame Based On Facts by vedaxcool(m): 6:35pm On Jul 20, 2013 |
Despite the lowering of the legal age of marriage for women fell to 9,[46] and the Ayatollah Khomeini's support for early marriage for females, It is recommended that one hurries in giving husband to a daughter who has attained puberty, meaning that she is of the age of religious accountability. His Holiness, Sadegh [the 6th Imam] salutations to him, bade that it is one of a man's good fortunes that his daughter does not see menses in his own house. http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Islamic_Republic_of_Iran despite my happiness about your Struggle against early marriage, I definately know you cannot claim to know shia more than Khomeini |
Re: Muslims Reject Child Marriage And Absolve Islam Of The Blame Based On Facts by vedaxcool(m): 7:03pm On Jul 20, 2013 |
. http://www.mohabatnews.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=... Iran seeks to legalise marriage for girls under 10 Saturday, 07 July 2012 The legal affairs committee of the Majles, the Iranian parliament, has told the press that they regard the law that prohibits girls below the age of 10 from being married off to be 'un-Islamic and illegal'. Mohabatnews ) - According to recently released statistics, in the past few weeks over 75 female children under 10 were forced to marry much older men. In 3929 cases, bride and groom were both under 14. In a discussion of the issue organised by the Khabar Online news website, conservative law-maker and spokesperson for the Majles committee Mohammad Ali Isfenani said: "Before the revolution girls under 16 were not allowed to marry. Mohammad Ali Isfenani Parents determined to get around the law would often tamper with their daughter's birth certificate. Under the previous constitution, people were legally regarded as adults when they were 18. After the revolution the age at which children were regarded as going through puberty was lowered to 9 for girls and 15 for boys. " He added: "As some people may not comply with our current Islamic legal system, we must regard 9 as being the appropriate age for a girl to have reached puberty and qualified to get married. To do otherwise would be to contradict and challenge Islamic Sharia law." He also confirmed that under his chairmanship the legal committee of the Majles would seek to change the current legislation./ shahrzad ------------------------ http://www.examiner.com/article/tens-of-thousands-worldwide-petition-ira... Tens of thousands worldwide petition Iran to end child marriages CHILD MARRIAGE August 19, 2012 By: D.M. Murdock A call to action at ThePetitionSite.com created by Christian Miller targets the Iranian government and requests that it not legalize the forced marriage of girls under the age of 10. The petition has garnered the signatures of many thousands of people worldwide, a number of whom have expressed outrage at the Islamic Republic's move, which some consider to reflect an attitude towards female children as property and household slaves. |
Re: Muslims Reject Child Marriage And Absolve Islam Of The Blame Based On Facts by LagosShia: 7:04pm On Jul 20, 2013 |
Paschal007: So you created a thread and started spamming it. Is it the islamophbes' that are asking for child marriage laws in the name of Islam? these so called "muslim representatives" are in fact playing well into the hands of the islamophobes.that is the point.
there is something called "betrothal" as regards the Quran verse 65:4. as for the opinions of the two scholars you mentioned,if you'd have read all that was posted,you will realize they base their interpretation on what is narrated about Aisha's age that have been refuted,or they are also talking about betrothal.
betrothal doesn't permit sexual intercourse with a girl that is not fully mature.
the waiting period (iddah) was put in place to ensure that a divorced woman is not with child as at the time of divorce and the husband does not later deny pregnating her;so she has to wait three menstrual cycles (three months) before she can remarry and the earlier marriage is totally dissolved.if a girl that does not see her menses is to wait,how does she count three menstrual cycles and to prove what? can a girl that doesn't menstruate conceive? therefore it is commonsense that since the girl does not see her menstruation,and she cannot go about announcing or proving to the public whether or not she sees her menstruation especially if she is at the threshold of puberty,her waiting period is also three months to clear any doubt or suspicion within and without (public) her marriage.this is the case because the word "to doubt" in the verse in Arabic is in plural;meaning it is not addressing the man alone but also the guardians and perhaps others.otherwise a man who divorced a woman can go without iddah (waiting period) as per verse 33:49,unlike when there is doubt or suspicion as per verse 65:4. the above interpretation of Maududi is faulty that a man can consummate a marriage with a non-menstruating girl,and it is the author's personal opinion. |
Re: Muslims Reject Child Marriage And Absolve Islam Of The Blame Based On Facts by LagosShia: 7:15pm On Jul 20, 2013 |
vedaxcool: Despite the lowering of the legal age of marriage for women fell to 9,[46] and the Ayatollah Khomeini's support for early marriage for females, this has nothing to do with shia or sunni.the Quran is both for Sunnis and Shia,and obtaining the correct interpretation is a must in this particular case.i also stated that islam is not against betrothal.also determining physical and mental maturity is on individual basis and therefore varies from girls to girl.so a standard age is required to put into law,to prevent girls that may not be mature enough at age 9 from falling victims.a 2 year old girl (if that is possible) that is seeing her menses,and physically mature and mentally or psychologically mature can be married and not only betrothed.but definitely this is not the case for many girls,and perverts who do not care about procreation or chastity (as per Islamic motives in the past) will take advantage of the situation.presently in Iran (where Ayatollah Khomeini founded the Islamic Republic),the age of consent for girls is 16 and remains so to this day,even if some oppose it.it is a fact that if early marriage ensures chastity and morality,then allowing the girl to mature a few years later and giving her the chance to gain education doesn't necessarily make her unchaste.she can still maintain chastity.and there is no guaranty that a girl married early would not be unchaste.regardless of the standards,reasons and interpretations muslims of the past cited to support their understanding,our own time is different.things have changed. read the first post in this thread.here is what I said:
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Re: Muslims Reject Child Marriage And Absolve Islam Of The Blame Based On Facts by LagosShia: 7:27pm On Jul 20, 2013 |
vedaxcool: . and thus far in 2013 the age of consent for girls in the Islamic republic of iran remains at 16. |
Re: Muslims Reject Child Marriage And Absolve Islam Of The Blame Based On Facts by vedaxcool(m): 7:31pm On Jul 20, 2013 |
^ whatever whining u want to engage in which u r free to engage in, is clearly your problem, points remain your shia master Khomeini supported 9 ur old marriage. Iran Parliament recently issued a statement stating that it was illegal and unislamic to outlaw child marriage. |
Re: Muslims Reject Child Marriage And Absolve Islam Of The Blame Based On Facts by Gboliwe: 7:38pm On Jul 20, 2013 |
Poor OP. You are definitely on your own. Read your holy book well |
Re: Muslims Reject Child Marriage And Absolve Islam Of The Blame Based On Facts by LagosShia: 7:39pm On Jul 20, 2013 |
vedaxcool: ^ in this age and time,it is wrong for so many reasons,and also because the reasons which motivated a 9 year old to get married back then hardly exist in our time. Ayatollah Khomeini was born in 1902,a period during which the age of consent in parts of Europe and America was at age 10.there is no sin in islam that a girl should delay in marriage.and if she is not physically and mentally mature,with both the parents' and the girl's consent,she cant get married. perverts like yerima who already have many wives should not take islam as excuse for his perversion in 2013.early marriage as it used to be for the sake of procreation (as diseases and famine were rampant in the distant past,leading to high mortality rate) and for the understanding of morality,do not exist in 2013.Aisha's age should also not be exploited as Aisha was not a child when the Prophet (sa) married as historical sources confirm.Aisha was at least 16 or 17,and possibly 21 year old. if you or whoever cannot reason,then you got problem,and you should be ashamed for supporting perverts.
please provide a link to back up your claim.regardless,the age of consent in iran for girls is 16. |
Re: Muslims Reject Child Marriage And Absolve Islam Of The Blame Based On Facts by LagosShia: 7:42pm On Jul 20, 2013 |
Gboliwe: Poor OP. You are definitely on your own. Read your holy book well it is recorded that Mary (as) was 12 or 13 year old when she miraculously conceived.in other words "Jehovah" saw Mary (as) fit to conceive at 12 or 13.and she was at that age betrothed to Joseph who was 90 year old.why don't you marry 12 or 13 year old girls and use Christianity as excuse for that? everyone,christians and muslims,can think.so why hold a religion to ransom for what fools want to cover upon? 2 Likes |
Re: Muslims Reject Child Marriage And Absolve Islam Of The Blame Based On Facts by vedaxcool(m): 10:48pm On Jul 20, 2013 |
LagosShia: using your argument I can say the following, perverts like Khomeini who already married, but made changes to the law of marriage by reverting the age of consent to 9 during the Iranian revolution a time when the marriage age in Europe and America was 18 abused their authority as religious leaders an exploit shia as means to justify their own perversion, now retatded decision, using ur own words, of Khomeini has served as guidance that retards of the Iranian Parliament that they now state it is even illegal under shia Shari'a to do so. as far as authoritativeness go, you utterly irrelevant as a source of shia knowledge compared to Khomeini, while in your opinion he is a pervert, Khomeini opinion in this matter carries weight, yours simply represent your own opinion wwhich deviates from what Khomeini whose words remains a source of guidance to countless shias. |
Re: Muslims Reject Child Marriage And Absolve Islam Of The Blame Based On Facts by Gboliwe: 11:32pm On Jul 20, 2013 |
LagosShia: Sorry for you |
Re: Muslims Reject Child Marriage And Absolve Islam Of The Blame Based On Facts by LagosShia: 11:59pm On Jul 20, 2013 |
Gboliwe: thanks. 2 Likes |
Re: Muslims Reject Child Marriage And Absolve Islam Of The Blame Based On Facts by siddiq202(m): 12:36am On Jul 21, 2013 |
LagosShia:Senate did not pass law to set female age of consent to 9. The law only provides married females under 18 right for "renunciation of citizenship". I stand to be corrected |
Re: Muslims Reject Child Marriage And Absolve Islam Of The Blame Based On Facts by LagosShia: 12:53am On Jul 21, 2013 |
siddiq202: "The passage of the loathsome ‘Child Marriage’ law, following the amendment of Section 29(4) (b) of the 1999 Constitution, has been rightly criticised by the general public, I believe it should have been named appropriately as what it is, the “paedophilic law”. http://dailypost.com.ng/2013/07/19/m-b-o-owolowo-child-marriage-in-the-name-of/ |
Re: Muslims Reject Child Marriage And Absolve Islam Of The Blame Based On Facts by LagosShia: 12:58am On Jul 21, 2013 |
Nigeria not fit for girl-child marriage –NSCIA July 21, 2013 by Sodiq Oyeleke Chairman, Supreme Council of Islamic Affairs, Ogun State Chapter, Sheik Abdul-Rasheed Mayaleeke, has said Nigeria is not ripe for girl-child marriage. Mayaleeke, who spoke at the 3rd Annual Ramadan Lecture organised by Yaba College of Technology Muslim Alumni on Saturday in Lagos, said the socio-economic situation of the country negated the conditions for defining maturity in girls. Though he argued that age did not determine maturity, he said the Nigerian children were deprived of what could make them mature at a particular age. He said, “The issue is not fit for our country. Our system is not ripe for that. Our democracy does not give proper conditions for treating girl-child marriage well. The fact is that Nigeria like other oil-producing countries is not providing the necessary support to make a girl-child grow into maturity at a particular age. There is no free, adequate and affordable education that can be used to build our girl-children to grow and mature at a certain age. “Girls in other countries that maybe practising the girl-child marriage are exposed to proper conditions and environment that can enhance their maturity which is not present in Nigeria. They go to primary, secondary, college and may marry as they proceed for their university education but there are adequate provisions for them.” The scholar said legislators refused to tackle other challenges facing the country but rather dissipated their energy on girl-child marriage. He added, “You must give everybody their rights and necessary things especially adequate and qualitative education. But in this case. A girl who is not comfortable with her education will not have time for marriage neither will a parent who is struggling to pay school fees have time and confidence to give her child out.” Chief Executive Officer, De Minaret International, Abdur Rauf Sa’eed, who spoke on ‘Muslim and Politics in the contemporary Nigeria: Issues and Challenges,’ lamented that Nigerian leaders are “self-centred and not transparent.” “Democracy is the most deceptive diction in politics. The masses somehow count for nothing except as canon fodders. They are always at the mercy of politicians, yet they are the voters. The politician knows how to feed his stomach well to chagrin and consternation of his people in whose name he claims to lead,” he added. http://www.punchng.com/news/nigeria-not-fit-for-girl-child-marriage-nscia/ |
Re: Muslims Reject Child Marriage And Absolve Islam Of The Blame Based On Facts by LagosShia: 1:05am On Jul 21, 2013 |
Activists fault Senate’s resolution on underage marriage Premium Times Published:July 18,2013 The senate on Wednesday passed a proposal claiming that a woman is deemed to be “full of age” once she is married irrespective of the age she did so. A cross section of activists on Wednesday faulted the Senate’s resolution to alter Section 29 (a) of the proposed constitutional amendment stipulating that a woman shall qualify for marriage only when she attains 18 years. The Senate, however, deleted age specification for women who were once married, claiming that a woman is deemed to be “full of age” once she is married irrespective of the age she did so. The resolution was made by lawmakers on Tuesday after a vote on recommendations of the Senate Committee on the Review of the Nigerian Constitution. The Executive Director of PROJECT ALERT on Violence Against Women, Josephine Effa-Chukwuma, described the resolution as a selfish one. She said that (the resolution) would contradict the Child Rights Act which stipulated that “a child is anyone below the age of 18″. “That is very reckless of them and insensitive of them to the plight of young girls, especially in this time and era of child sexual abuse; the implications and complications that come up from early marriage which we all know; VVF, RVF and all that. “So, if they go to the constitution to remove the age restriction that says one cannot marry a teen, then, they might as well throw the Childs rights acts out of the window. “The Childs Rights Acts says clearly that a child is any one below the age of 18; or are they oblivious to it , it is completely unacceptable,” she said. Also reacting, Abiola Afolabi-Akiode, the Coordinator, Gender and Constitution Reform Network, (GECORN), described the lawmaker’s resolution as a big setback on the Nigerian people not only the women. “It contradicted Section 21 of the Childs Rights Acts which says no persons under the age of 18 is capable of contracting a marriage; and any marriage that is contracted by a minor is null and void and has no effect whatsoever. “The constitution is supreme, so the Childs Rights Acts falls under the constitution; So, what the man has done is to set back all the gains of the struggle of the Nigerian women. “So this kind of law will just legalise the abuse of children in the country and that is why people were clamouring for the deletion of that section 39(4) and which the senate originally moved towards, so how the table now turned against the children of Nigeria is what we don’t understand,” she said. On her part, the National Public Relations Officer of the KOWA Party, Oluremi Sonaiya, expressed the hope that the resolution was not a way of making people escape with molesting children. “I hope that this is not a way of making people get away with molesting children; people who will have like they say canal knowledge of children or who will force children into marriage at a tender age, this is like giving them a loophole. Joining in the assault are members of the Nigerian Feminist Forum, whose spokesperson, Gerdyn Ezeakile, issued an angry statement in Lagos saying: “This action is a clear violation of Article 21(2) of the African Charter on the Rights and Welfare of the Child which prohibits child marriage and betrothal as well as Article 6 (b) of the African Charter on Human and Peoples’ Rights on the Rights of Women in Africa which provides that the minimum age of marriage for women is 18 years.A cross section of activists on Wednesday faulted the Senate’s resolution to alter Section 29 (a) of the proposed constitutional amendment stipulating that a woman shall qualify for marriage only when she attains 18 years. The resolution was made by lawmakers on Tuesday after a vote on recommendations of the Senate Committee on the Review of the Nigerian Constitution. However, Rev. Austin Nnorom, the Lagos State Chairman of the Conference of Nigeria Political Parties (CNPP), urged the lawmakers to cancel the resolution. “It is worrisome and I think it’s a very unhealthy thing by the National Assembly; we pray that they should immediately repeal that law. “We are looking for local government autonomy and better laws not a law that will allow children, under aged to be sexually abused, and it’s going to cause a lot of social vices in this part of the country.’’ http://premiumtimesng.com/news/141197-activists-fault-senates-resolution-on-underage-marriage.html |
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Women activists kick against Senate’s resolution on child marriage Dimeji Kayode-Adedeji Published:July 18,2013 The group faulted the argument of Senator Sani Yerima. The Gender and Constitution Reform Network, GECORN, a coalition of women’s rights organisations across Nigeria, on Thursday rejected the Senate’s resolution on child marriage. The organisation, in a statement signed by its National Coordinator, Abiola Akiyode-Afolabi, and made available to journalists in Abeokuta , rejected the argument of Ahmed Yerima that the proposal for the deletion of section 29 (4)(b) which states that “any woman who is married shall be deemed of full age” is at variance with Islamic law. “The constitution of Nigeria is the supreme law of the country. While we hail the constitution review process led by the Senate and the House of Representatives, we reject the argument of Senator Ahmed Yerima that the proposal for the deletion of section 29 (4) (b) which states that “any woman who is married shall be deemed of full age.” The women activists emphasised that section 29 of the 1999 Constitution particularly prescribed the procedures for Nigerians who wish to renounce their citizenship. “29 (4)a, defines the character of a Nigerian who is capable of denouncing citizenship and clearly states that such person must be of full age – 18 years and above, which is in line with the Child Rights Act 2003. ‘Our argument is that S 29 4(b contradicts, S 29 4(a) and can cause misrepresentation in law and practice. “We ask, is the Senate saying that a 13-year-old girl has the mental capacity to renounce her citizenship? Thus, we argue that Senator Ahmed Yerima, basing his argument solely on child marriage is treacherous and a deliberate attempt to misrepresent the intention of the 1999 constitution. “Such misrepresentation is in our own view, what the Senate originally wanted to avoid by the (Senate Committee on the Constitution Reform’s report) proposal and its initial votes for the deletion of S 29 4(b).” The organisation noted that failure to delete 29 4(b) has several negative implications: (1) criminal liability can be placed on under age married girl child. (2) An underage married woman can vote and be voted for (3) She can also obtain a driver’s license, (4) Legitimizing child marriage ‘as evidenced by the past conduct of Senator Ahmed Yerima years back.’ “We therefore urge the Senate to reconsider its position and call on the House of Representative to show progressive leadership by failing to concur on this provision and others that might retard the progress of this country,” the organisation stated. http://premiumtimesng.com/news/141236-women-activists-kick-against-senates-resolution-on-child-marriage.html |
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