geefasee: The bible says, there is no condemnation for those who are in christ jesus. Now does it mean if someone gives his life to jesus, the parental curse etc is canceled & everything is settled?

geefasee: The bible says, there is no condemnation for those who are in christ jesus. Now does it mean if someone gives his life to jesus, the parental curse etc is canceled & everything is settled?

Goshen360: Deliverance MEANS 'accepting and believing what is already done and completed by and in and through Christ'. Check your concordance. As a Christian, you CAN'T BE BLESSED MORE THAN WHAT CHRIST HAD DONE FOR YOU.

Pastor Olu T:

Don't really get un but diverance for xtians is from ignorance, when U don't know all that u have in Christ and that He has done for u, the devil will always take advantage of the said xtian thereby keeping him in bondage in that aspect.

Goshen360:

That's EXACTLY why it is NOT going for deliverance session that brings such people out of bondage BUT OPENING THEIR EYES OF UNDERSTANDING that brings such inheritance in Christ to manifestation in their lives.

I was young and now mature in faith, I never read of a CHRISTIAN going for deliverance in scripture but I read a Christian is one who is ALREADY delivered.

Goshen360:

That's EXACTLY why it is NOT going for deliverance session that brings such people out of bondage BUT OPENING THEIR EYES OF UNDERSTANDING that brings such inheritance in Christ to manifestation in their lives.

I was young and now mature in faith, I never read of a CHRISTIAN going for deliverance in scripture but I read a Christian is one who is ALREADY delivered EXCEPT for a Christian that puts himself or herself under the BONDAGE OF THE MOSAIC LAWS.

blink182: Op I don't have biblical backing on this topic but the person surely needs deliverance. This is one part I can't explain but I've seen pastors and great men of God being delivered. That says a lot about this topic.

Pastor Olu T:

Diliverance from what? We xtians like putting oursleves in unnecessary bodage, the only diliverance a xtian needs is from ignorance. This is not to mean that there are not strongholds that stands on the way, this will be dismantled by the same weapon 2Corinthians 10:3-5.

But a baby xtian can still be taken advantage of by the devil and held in bondage which is the reason every xtian should endeavor to grow.Also the. Xtian should be. Watchful in prayer and study as he grows. 'Cos these are his spiritual armor as he continues to fight the fight of faith and hold his ground.

I believe this also applies for parental curses, as the xtian grows his eyes will constantly be opened to how he needs to tackle this and he. Walks in the freedom which Christ has made him free.

Yvete: Being born again means being delivered from sin and acceptance of a new life in Christ.

On the other hand, one could be born-again and possessed by demons. Some people need deliverance from generational curses and other involuntary ways in which demons possess (or oppress) a person. I attended a deliverance service last year where one of my sister's friends was displaying all kinds of acrobatic moves, back-flipping and screaming. She's always at Church and sings in the choir. My sister and I were stunned.

christemmbassey: a christian does NOT NEED deliverance, its either we choose to believe God or not @ Goshen and pastor Olu'. A christian can NOT BE CURSed, all the curses are baɓk dated to the cross.

Goshen360:

I'm Goshen360 and I ENDORSE this message!

MostHigh:

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christemmbassey: a christian does NOT NEED deliverance, its either we choose to believe God or not @ Goshen and pastor Olu'. A christian can NOT BE CURSed, all the curses are baɓk dated to the cross.

Goshen360:

but our message is that Christ was crucified. This offends Jewish people and makes no sense to people who are not Jewish.

Yvete:

The doctrine of 'once saved, ever saved' is false. Just because they've accepted Jesus doesn't mean a person is completely delivered from demonic bondage following them through the years. It depends. Don't tell me there are no witches in the Church.

You are entitled to your opinion. I like to stay away from religious debates on NL. I'm not a preachers' daughter.

Goshen360:

This is not matter of one's opinion or not. The Bible is our standard. Please, use scriptures. Show us from scripture where A CHRISTIAN went for deliverance services or deliverance was conducted on a CHRISTIAN. It's not a matter of one saved forever saved we talking about here; it's a matter of NEW creation.

nlMediator:

1. So, if no christian went for deliverance in the Scriptures, that settles the question?


2. Can you tell us how many people were listed as demon possessed in the Bible before Jesus came and started delivering people?


3. One more thing: I'm sorry to say but you're being hypocritical on this issue. When you claimed that sex between engaged couples was legitimate, you were asked to provide evidence of the practice from the Bible. Not only could you not, but you kept on defending your position. Maybe, you should apply the same yard stick to deliverance.

Goshen360:

1. If no Christian went for deliverance, that settles it! The word of God is our standard. If you people can't provide example where Christians are being delivered from demonic oppression, you have not valid claim to this deliverance for Christians because you don't understand who a Christian is.

2. People delivered by Christ? And those are Christians? You must be insulting the finished works of Christ and the cross with his precious blood.

3. And you people were able to define that fornication means what you defined it to mean or we follow the words of Christ? There's no validity for Christian going for deliverance from scriptures and to that we hold our faith in what Christ had accomplished for us.

nlMediator:

Cool.

1. If no engaged christian in the Bible slept with the partner, that settles it. We cannot preach it today. Do you realize that's what you're saying, by analogy? Until you can present evidence of any christian couple sleeping before marriage in the Bible and receiving endorsement, you cannot support it. Of course, you wouldn't do that, but would rather spend days and weeks defending something you cannot find in the Bible. Yet, when somebody brings up something else hey allegedly cannot find in the Bible, you reject it on that basis. Your approach goes contra to any rule of integrity and credibility that I know.

2. You misunderstood my question about demon possession before Jesus. If you read the Bible before Jesus started delivering people, you could also argue that nobody was demon possessed. From Genesis to Malachi, you can rarely find an account of people bound by evil spirits. Yet, there were many such people. Obviously, demon possession did not just start when Jesus began His ministry. So, let's use your logic. Was anybody possessed in the OT and in the 4 gospels before Jesus turned 30? Well, since we can hardly find any such incident, then nobody was possessed. Or you disagree?

3. I once asked you about the gift of discerning of spirits. What is that gift doing in the Church? Is it only to be used to discern devils in unbelievers? If your answer is Yes, where does the Bible say that? Again, remember unless you can show me where the Bible says it, it cannot be true. We're going solely by your rules or standard here. So, I'm waiting to see how you reach the conclusion that that gift is only for believers when we have no evidence in the Bible to that effect.

Goshen360:

1. That is what you people called fornication. Is that what it means? You have not provided a contrary view to its meaning in order to deal with the subject. That was what I did on that thread. Off course we're gonna have problem with that because of my understanding of the OT & NT. The NT is entirely different from the OT because of the cross and what Christ did by His blood. If we can't agree on that, there's going to be problem.

2. This your #2 point cracked me to hard laugh. Anyway, I was on my way to reply a brother, Bidam on a thread and stumbled on your reply and decided to talk back to you. Now, you asked if anybody was possesed BEFORE Jesus turned 30? Well, I actually laughed at you for that statement. Look at it here:

1After this there was a feast of the Jews; and Jesus went up to Jerusalem. 2Now there is at Jerusalem by the sheep market a pool, which is called in the Hebrew tongue Bethesda, having five porches. 3In these lay a great multitude of impotent folk, of blind, halt, withered, waiting for the moving of the water. 4For an angel went down at a certain season into the pool, and troubled the water: whosoever then first after the troubling of the water stepped in was made whole of whatsoever disease he had. 5And a certain man was there, which had an infirmity thirty and eight years. 6When Jesus saw him lie, and knew that he had been now a long time in that case, he saith unto him, Wilt thou be made whole? - John 5

Infirmity! 38years! BEFORE Jesus was born! The people who were possessed WERE NOT CHRISTIANS. Christianity is because of what Christ did and by the blood, we were engrafted into the NEW COVENANT. Deliverance for Christians is an insult to the blood of Christ!

3. Again, I laugh at this point #3. First, the gift of the Holy Spirit is for edification of the SAINTS not to detect devils\demons in the saints of God, those purchased and redeemed by the blood of Christ. There's no scriptural evidence the gift is used to detect DEVILS\DEMONS in CHRISTIANS. When believers or Christians gather together in Christian worship, are they are Christians that gathered together? Isn't unbelievers in their midst? As the church gathers, isn't is possible for non-christian in their midst be possessed of demons? This should open the discussion I guess. Scriptures records that when Christians gather, an unbeliever can be in their midst and such can be possessed NOT a Christian.

Goshen360:

1. That is what you people called fornication. Is that what it means? You have not provided a contrary view to its meaning in order to deal with the subject. That was what I did on that thread. Off course we're gonna have problem with that because of my understanding of the OT & NT. The NT is entirely different from the OT because of the cross and what Christ did by His blood. If we can't agree on that, there's going to be problem.

2. This your #2 point cracked me to hard laugh. Anyway, I was on my way to reply a brother, Bidam on a thread and stumbled on your reply and decided to talk back to you. Now, you asked if anybody was possesed BEFORE Jesus turned 30? Well, I actually laughed at you for that statement. Look at it here:

1After this there was a feast of the Jews; and Jesus went up to Jerusalem. 2Now there is at Jerusalem by the sheep market a pool, which is called in the Hebrew tongue Bethesda, having five porches. 3In these lay a great multitude of impotent folk, of blind, halt, withered, waiting for the moving of the water. 4For an angel went down at a certain season into the pool, and troubled the water: whosoever then first after the troubling of the water stepped in was made whole of whatsoever disease he had. 5And a certain man was there, which had an infirmity thirty and eight years. 6When Jesus saw him lie, and knew that he had been now a long time in that case, he saith unto him, Wilt thou be made whole? - John 5

Infirmity! 38years! BEFORE Jesus was born! The people who were possessed WERE NOT CHRISTIANS. Christianity is because of what Christ did and by the blood, we were engrafted into the NEW COVENANT. Deliverance for Christians is an insult to the blood of Christ!

3. Again, I laugh at this point #3. First, the gift of the Holy Spirit is for edification of the SAINTS not to detect devils\demons in the saints of God, those purchased and redeemed by the blood of Christ. There's no scriptural evidence the gift is used to detect DEVILS\DEMONS in CHRISTIANS. When believers or Christians gather together in Christian worship, are they are Christians that gathered together? Isn't unbelievers in their midst? As the church gathers, isn't is possible for non-christian in their midst be possessed of demons? This should open the discussion I guess. Scriptures records that when Christians gather, an unbeliever can be in their midst and such can be possessed NOT a Christian.

christemmbassey: @nlMediator, the issue is that a ɓhristian can not be possesed bv an evil spirit and therefor does not need deliverance, why? Bc he's allready been possesed bƴ the holy spirit and the spirit can not exist side by side with evil spirit. Finally, the bible says in col 1:13 that Christ had delivered us from the power of darkness.......

nlMediator:

My brother, I've not even joined the debate fully on whether a christian can be possessed. [Of course, a christian cannot be possessed - question is whether he can be oppressed]. My interest in the discussion is our brother's claim that if something is not in the Bible, we have no business believing it. Well, that was not what he said when it came to pre-marital sex. So, I wanted to point out that inconsistency to him.

On King Saul, I don't believe he was possessed. An evil spirit came upon him and acted on him externally; the spirit did not live inside him, which is what possession is. Second, I need examples of possession of regular folk in the OT, you know, the type of people that Jesus delivered when He came. Remember, I didn't discount the existence of such stories. Here's another hint: do you realize that the devil or satan is barely mentioned in the Bible after the Genesis encounter? Does it mean he was not active then and wasn't doing all the things he does today?