obadiah777: indeed sire. always good to have an enlightened fellow to further confound the gainsayers. as scripture says >>>>>>>

matthew 18 vs 16 But if he will not hear thee, then take with thee one or two more, that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established.

MostHigh:

True talk Sire.

Top of the day to you brother.

obadiah777: ermm thats 144,000. but they are wrapping the verse up in mystery as like the rest of the book of revelations but the enlightened know that mysterious number means 144,000

debosky:

Sire you do err. . . .this your claim that they are 'wrapping the verse up in mystery' is simply a cop out whenever a verse doesn't agree with your current constructions.

There is nowhere in the scripture where the number of angels is stated specifically.

MostHigh:

True talk Sire.

Top of the day to you brother.

obadiah777: Top of the morning right back at ya Sire. trust all is well

TinyPurpleBaby:



Top of the morning people!!!

obadiah777: a boat or an ark can be anything. depends on the context in which it was used. for example the word was referred to as a ship when christ was 'walking on water'

mcfynest:


ok......the ship in Noah's(africa) time means the whole continent

debosky:

Sire you do err. . . .this your claim that they are 'wrapping the verse up in mystery' is simply a cop out whenever a verse doesn't agree with your current constructions.

There is nowhere in the scripture where the number of angels is stated specifically.

MostHigh:

They messengers/witnesses/Angels are numberd at 144 thousand.

you cant get more specific than that mr Debosky.

TinyPurpleBaby:



Top of the morning people!!!

debosky:

They who were sealed - 12,000 each from each of the tribes of Israel, not angels, are the 144,000. Rev 7 even goes as far as talking about the 4 angels before talking about the 144,000. Clearly John didn't find it difficult to write angel and would have done so if he meant that when describing the 144,000

Secondly, they were later described in Revelations 14 as those having the name of the father and son written on their foreheads - not angels. Nowhere are we told that angels have the name of the father and son written on them.

Respectfully, sire you do err.

obadiah777: what do you think a seal is ? its a seal of instructions. a seal of the word in their forehead ( minds ). smdh

MostHigh:

Wassup TPB?

How ya dey now.

obadiah777: right back at ya TPB. or should we say top of the midnight seeing as you are in the peg

debosky:

Focus sire - let's resolve the identity of the 144,000 before going into the description of seals.

TinyPurpleBaby:

Ahn na! That was like around 5:10.

You are enjoying sha.. Have loads of fun.

obadiah777: ok lol what you got ?

debosky:

Address what I've stated previously - you have no basis for the 144,000 angels you mentioned.

obadiah777: what makes you an angel ? instructions and messages are programmed ( sealed ) into you. its as simple as that

the definition of an angel is a messenger

debosky:

The word translated into English is from the Greek - angelos - which means messenger, but that's simply a title, not a definition. Angels do more than simply deliver messages - they worship, wage war and deliver judgement amongst others.

Even if we accept that messages can be 'sealed', the name of the Father and Son are not messages, they are identifying marks.

obadiah777: what makes you an angel ? instructions and messages are programmed ( sealed ) into you. its as simple as that

the definition of an angel is a messenger

MostHigh:

They still cant get thier heads around that definition Sire.

Lets all blame walt disney.

Yeah walt deserves seriouse koboko for programming the minds of a whole generation.

debosky:

They who were sealed - 12,000 each from each of the tribes of Israel, not angels, are the 144,000. Rev 7 even goes as far as talking about the 4 angels before talking about the 144,000. Clearly John didn't find it difficult to write angel and would have done so if he meant that when describing the 144,000

Secondly, they were later described in Revelations 14 as those having the name of the father and son written on their foreheads - not angels. Nowhere are we told that angels have the name of the father and son written on them.

Respectfully, sire you do err.

obadiah777:

<<< happened in russia 2 days ago. anyone know the spiritual significance ?

MostHigh:

An angel is a messenger.

Simply put.

If Elijah is a messenger of the most high God then he is an angel.

If yashua Ibn joseph is a messenger of the most high God then he is an angel

If debosky is a messenger of the most high God Then yes debosky is an angel.

obadiah777: and lets not forget dbanj and wizkid. they deserve some blame too Sire

TinyPurpleBaby:

what the heck is that thing??

[/quote] [quote author=obadiah777]an eagle in russia swooped down and killed a deer. this was all over yahoo frontpage yesterday. very powerful eagle. EXTREMELY POWERFUL EAGLE. apparently this has never happened before. do you see the spiritual significance in it ?

TinyPurpleBaby:


hmm....i really do not wanna do guess work but im suspecting something evil. right? Ehat does it mean?

obadiah777: ok so the lord is big in symbolism. there are no coincidences just illusions of coincidences

why did it happen in russia ?

matthew 24 vs 28 For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together.

THE EAGLE HAS LANDED IN GOG AND MAGOG ( RUSSIA ). THE LORD HAS LANDED IN RUSSIA.

JEREMIAH 49 VS 22 Behold, he shall come up and fly as the eagle, and spread his wings over Bozrah: and at that day shall the heart of the mighty men of Edom be as the heart of a woman in her pangs. <<< THE LORD SHALL SWOOP DOWN LIKE AN EAGLE OVER THE CAUCASIAN EMPIRE AND DESTROY IT. BOZRAH IS ANOTHER NAME FOR EDOM.

EZEKIEL 38 VS 4 And I will turn thee back, and put hooks into thy jaws, and I will bring thee forth, and all thine army, horses and horsemen, all of them clothed with all sorts of armour, even a great company with bucklers and shields, all of them handling swords:
<< LORD GIVING RUSSIA ( GOD AND MAGOG ) INSTRUCTIONS TO ATTACK THE WEST AND THE LAND OF ISRAEL. THIS IS WHY THE EAGLE HAS LANDED IN GOG AND MAGOG


SO THIS BASICALLY IS SYMBOLISM FOR THE LORD HAS LANDED IN RUSSIA AS THE EAGLE TO USE RUSSIA AS HIS BATTLE-AXE AGAINST THE WEST. ITS ON OOWEEEEEEEEEE.

THE EAGLE HAS LANDED TO ATTACK. THAT WAS THE LORD GIVING RUSSIA INSTRUCTIONS. THE GO AHEAD.

AND NO I AINT CRAZY. I JUST SEE THANGS MANY DONT LOL