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|Re: The Non-Christian Chatbox ( sticky ) by HellVictorinho(m): 1:05pm On May 31|
If you don't know what it is,how did you know it's a higher power??
If you don't know what it is,how did you know it can't be understood or explored or measured??
Your statements shouldn't have been made.
If you don't know what something is,then you shouldn't describe it with any word.
Actually, something refers to that which has specific limits towards a specific form towards being distinguishable towards something else instead of nothing.
Nothing doesn't refer to anything because nothing doesn't have any specific limit towards whatever specific form.
It's impossible for anything to exist alongside nothing.
The things that exist can't be assigned any number.
The things that exist neither increase nor decrease.
The things that exist can't be quantified.
|Re: The Non-Christian Chatbox ( sticky ) by DavidAO(m): 10:09pm On Jun 01|
Did God truly tempt Abraham?
The subject of temptation has been a very bothersome topic over time. It’s mind bugling when you hear people say God is tempting them when certain situations befall them. This makes one wonder if these people truly understand that construct of life or whether they even know what the Bible is saying at any time.
This subject of whether or not God tempted Abraham is a topic that has caused so much argument. Most people claim that it’s written in the Bible that God tempted Abraham so that automatically means that it’s so.
While it’s true that it’s written that God tempted Abraham, it’s important for us to understand what the Bible is saying at any given time so we don’t become fooled by the perception of our mind.
Among the most important statements in the Bible is 1 John 5:20 which states that “we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.”
Anyone who reads the above statement to truly know what the Bible is saying will recognize the equivocality in that statement; the son of God has given us understanding that we may know him that’s true. What that equivocally means is that there’s another him that’s not true (false), so the son of God gave us understanding so that we may separate the true from the false.
So if there’s a false God in the Bible then we must try to interpret everything properly even when the Bible says it.
As touching the temptation of Abraham, we must ask ourselves the following questions:
1. Can God tempt a man? James 1:13
2. Is God the tempter? Mathew 4:3
3. Is God ignorant of the heart of man? Jeremiah 17:10
These questions help us streamline our scope to understanding the temptation of Abraham. We know God does not tempt any man so how can God tempt Abraham? God is not the tempter, so how can God do the job of the tempter? Lastly tempting a person is to know their strength and weakness, God already knows the heart of every man so how can he then tempt Abraham to know what he already knew? Should we say God was ignorant of Abraham’s heart?
The key to understanding a Abraham’s situation is to compare him to the story of Job. If we compare their stories together then we know it couldn’t have been God who tempted Abraham but Satan.
To fully understand this, we should check the particular verse where Abraham passed the temptation to realize whether it was God who truly spoke to him.
“And he said, Lay not thine hand upon the lad, neither do thou any thing unto him: for now I know that thou fearest God, seeing thou hast not withheld thy son, thine only son from me.”
The second part of the verse reveals the truth about Abraham’s temptation. In the verse above, The particular God said “for now I know that thou fearest God”. What that statement means is that the God never knew Abraham’s heart before that time.
What all this means is that God is not He who tempted Abraham because God already knew Abraham’s heart. Like Job’s account Satan argued that Abraham only loved God because God blessed him and gave him a son at his ok’d age, so God told Satan to tempt Abraham to confirm on his own.
Therefore, let no one say God tempted Abraham anymore, let no one say God is tempting them, for God cannot tempt anyone neither has be ever tempted anyone.
For further, read on the particular subject, read the account of Abraham’s temptation in the book of jasher.
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|Re: The Non-Christian Chatbox ( sticky ) by DavidAO(m): 8:47pm On Jun 05|
Did the Bible actually say the snake in genesis is an animal?
This is a very funny topic to talk about. Most people have different answer to the same thing and this makes knowledge of the truth very porous. A porous knowledge is ignorance just as a porous truth is a lie.
I have listened to varying arguments as touching the snake in genesis and sometimes I just laugh heavily. A religious person claims it’s a snake (animal), while an irreligious person feels superior bc he has realized that snake does not possess the ability to talk. This results to bitter arguments that birth commotions without anyone trying to actually know what the Bible says.
The mystery of the snake has remained unsolved for thousands of years until Jesus came. Varying cultures have misinterpreted this particular event differently and this is why there’s a popular opinion on the subject.
The Egyptians, Babylonians, Persians and many other ancients cultures have different interpretations of the event, the Greek and Romans also have different interpretations. In fact, the snake is still being worshipped by many religious sects without sound knowledge of what the snake is.
Modern people have also joined in the celebration of the snake as we have the medical and pharmaceutical symbols bearing the insignia of the snake.
Before we can even understand what the snake is. It’s important for us to first understand the verse where the snake is talked about in the Bible.
If ask anyone about the snake, they’d certainly say the Bible said it’s an animal, thus making the Bible an unrealistic or a magical book. But we know the Bible is nothing of such so we understand that such people lack basic comprehension of language.
“Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the Lord God had made. Genesis 3:1 KJV
The above statement, like every other statement of the Bible shows that people do not read anything with clear mind. People read but let the already established prejudice created from hearsay cloud their ability to comprehend.
While many claim that the Bible says that the snake was a beast of the field, the Bible didn’t actually say anything of such. In fact, certain translations of the Bible have intentionally added extra words to this particular verse to psychologically align people to the popular o interpretation.
The Bible says “the snake was more subtil than any beast of the field”. This doesn’t in anyway say the snake is a beast of the field but most people automatically misconstrue the statement because of the pagan beliefs that’s already circulated.
I’ll reference the statement for better understanding. It’s like saying an angel is stronger than any man God has made. This doesn’t say an angel is a man. It only says an angel is stronger than any man God made.
If I say God is mightier than any man, I do not infer or imply that God is a man in any way, I only said God mightier than any man.
Therefore, if the Bible says the snake is more subtil than any beast of the field, it’s doesn’t say the snake is a beast of the field. In fact, the Hebrew word that was represented as a snake was never a snake, it’s a diviner or a predictor. It’s something that shoots forth so it’s represented with a name bc a snake shoots forth its tongue.
No where did the Bible actually says it’s an animal, people only read their prejudices into the Bible to establish false and deceptive doctrines against themselves or others. We should all endeavor to learn to see things clearly in the Bible.
Here’s a links to a book that help you see the Bible objectively. The book contains interpretations of biblical information with verifiable facts that can be seen and experienced by anyone. Subjects like time, relativity of time, light, space-time and reality are all discus with the Bible with realistic evidences. The book sets a reader on the path for epiphany. Get a copy of it on the link https://www.davidaobooks.com/product/the-science-of-god-and-life/
|Re: The Non-Christian Chatbox ( sticky ) by HellVictorinho(m): 9:42am On Jun 06|
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If you don't know what it is, how did you know it's a higher power?
|Re: The Non-Christian Chatbox ( sticky ) by DavidAO(m): 12:50pm On Jun 06|
Jesus mentioned that your eye must be single bro. Go and figure what it means for your eyes to be single. Shalom.
|Re: The Non-Christian Chatbox ( sticky ) by budaatum: 2:00pm On Jun 06|
Wiki does a good one on it. You'd find it means focus on God, which is not the same as focus on your religious belief, especially once you understand God has no particular image you can focus on apart from the human beings (neighbours and enemies) created in God's very Image, which is the focus of Christ.
Please feel free to open a thread to educate buda or learn. Your choice.
|Re: The Non-Christian Chatbox ( sticky ) by HellVictorinho(m): 7:27pm On Jun 06|
Do you know that your thoughts concerning me don't matter
But your pride makes you feel special when you are quoted even when it's a threat.
You feel your words are desired but you don't know you are actually a waste of time here and nobody gains anything from meeting you.
I command you to repeat the same old accusations till you die!
After all, it's budaatum that's saying it in vain!!!!
I am always ready to command you to repeat these things-( Hell is a troll,Hell lacks understanding,Hell is lazy,etc)
|Re: The Non-Christian Chatbox ( sticky ) by budaatum: 8:12pm On Jun 06|
|Re: The Non-Christian Chatbox ( sticky ) by HellVictorinho(m): 9:50pm On Jun 06|
Do it again in the name of your parents!!!
|Re: The Non-Christian Chatbox ( sticky ) by budaatum: 9:54pm On Jun 06|
|Re: The Non-Christian Chatbox ( sticky ) by HellVictorinho(m): 10:23pm On Jun 06|
What did you gain after doing this??
|Re: The Non-Christian Chatbox ( sticky ) by LordReed(m): 6:22am On Jun 07|
Hey budaatum take a look at this:
|Re: The Non-Christian Chatbox ( sticky ) by DavidAO(m): 7:52am On Jun 07|
Hello Mr. Buda, I can see you base your knowledge on what you find on wiki and do not endeavor to do a personal research. That’s ok, most people don’t actually try to discover life, they only rely on what other people tell them it is and this is why they’re easily deceived.
I do not blame you though, I only recognize that you’ve acted like most people on earth will do which is quite understandable.
I also appreciate that you’re willing to learn which is a good thing. Learning is how we grow in life. Without the ability to learn, a soul becomes unrepentant bc it does the same thing over and over the same way without the ability to apply new techniques learnt. Such is a sick soul and is said to be affected by the disease of life.
That said, the word single as used there doesn’t say you should focus on a religious belief but you can keep focusing on ur religious beliefs if you want. That’s a decision you have to make on your own
Single as used in that particular verse means uninfluenced, unique, honest, unbroken, distinguish, detached, discrete, free, freestanding. I’ll explain now.
Life is a place of influence, no one is actually born bad, we all get corrupted by lust that develops in our heart. That lust is as a result of influences of things of this world on our consciousness. Character and habits are developed through influences and such influence starts right from our family. There’s no one born a thief or a rapist, fornicator or something, these things happen bc of influence of the world on our consciousness. So Jesus is telling you that an eye that’s uninfluenced sees life clearly, devoid of the deception of this world.
You have other words like unique telling us that each of us was made unique but the diffusion of the consciousness created by influence of this world has polluted our uniqueness.
Honest. A honest person is a truthful person and such person is a person whose response isn’t influenced by fear of consequences of telling the truth. He tells the truth without influence.
An unbroken person is the person whose identity is unbroken by influence of this world.
If you continue to see the light of this world, you’ll see that the problem of life is caused by people’s attachments to things, be detached and be focused on knowing the truth of life and you’ll see that everything becomes clearer to you. The truth appears to the one who isn’t under influence.
This has nothing to do with religion. Religion is just a human creation and full of the same influences. Jesus is telling you to avoid such influences. That’s why he also told us to walk in the narrow way. If you check on the word narrow, you’ll see that it holds the same value as the word single. Jesus didn’t come to tell you to belief in a religion which is why he acted against the religion of his own time, Jesus came to tell us to avoid influences, for influences shield us from seeing the truth standing before our eyes. Education, arts, news, science, religion, etc. all this are just ways the world influences our consciousness of things. Be above them all and you’ll see life for what it truly is.
I also use this medium to introduce my publication to you. It’s titled the science of God and life. If you have a little token to spare and the time to read and explore what life is, get a copy at the link below. It’s more packed than anything you’ve ever seen. I won’t say much, you can check for yourself. ❤️❤️❤️
|Re: The Non-Christian Chatbox ( sticky ) by BassReeves: 8:42am On Jun 07|
|Re: The Non-Christian Chatbox ( sticky ) by LordReed(m): 9:14am On Jun 07|
Quite a bit. Hopefully you took some too.
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|Re: The Non-Christian Chatbox ( sticky ) by Nasww22nasww: 9:21am On Jun 07|
|Re: The Non-Christian Chatbox ( sticky ) by BassReeves: 9:25am On Jun 07|
LordReed:I am pleased to know you admit to that. We never stop learning until we are six feet under. Every day is an opportunity to learn and from it to become a better person.
If I can help it, I am not one for intolerance, bigotry, discrimination, harassment, marginalisation, oppression, bullying, bad conduct, hostility monstrous behaviour etc
|Re: The Non-Christian Chatbox ( sticky ) by LordReed(m): 9:29am On Jun 07|
Good to know. These are the things I find people use religion as a cover for. If you don't do these things, I have no qualms with you or your beliefs.
|Re: The Non-Christian Chatbox ( sticky ) by BassReeves: 9:39am On Jun 07|
LordReed:Religion, isnt necessarily faith or belief.
Religion actually is a way of life, a lifestyle, a devotion to a particular, interest. For example, fashion to the fashionista is a religion. Football to Chelsea, Man U, Arsenal, Man City, Tottenham, Leeds United, etc die hard season ticket holders fans is a religion, Atheism, Agnosticism, Buddhism, Christianity, Islam, ATR etc are each to their adherents religions, however, one pure and true religion surpasses them all, and its a religion that has no flaws in and one such that God finds no fault with.
You see pure and true religion doesnt exhibit intolerance, bigotry, discrimination, harassment, marginalisation, oppression, bullying, bad conduct, hostility, monstrous behaviour etc
|Re: The Non-Christian Chatbox ( sticky ) by LordReed(m): 9:57am On Jun 07|
I am extremely reluctant to acknowledge anything that does not involve sacred worship as religion, in fact I do not acknowledge those things as religion. If not, brushing your teeth daily, bathing regularly, washing your clothes are religions and that is patently absurd.
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|Re: The Non-Christian Chatbox ( sticky ) by LordReed(m): 10:22am On Jun 07|
Says the guy promoting a self authored book that attempts to tell people what life is. You are completely tone deaf to your own pomposity.
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|Re: The Non-Christian Chatbox ( sticky ) by BassReeves: 10:47am On Jun 07|
LordReed:Worshipping wrongly is idolatry. Religion, that is pure and true, is solely about empathy and compassion without a fault or flaw.
LordReed:I don't brush teeth daily, bath regularly, wash clothes as a devotion, at times I actually pass on doing some, not saying I am a slob though
|Re: The Non-Christian Chatbox ( sticky ) by DavidAO(m): 11:26am On Jun 07|
This is spiteful but I understand. Most Africans don’t like when one of them is telling them the truth. They’re slaves mentally and they need a white man to tell them what life is. A prophet is not regarded in his own town.
I understand you’re bearing grudges against me but it’s ok. It’s understandable and I expect that from you.
If I published my own book and trying to create awareness for it, how does that invalidate my researches? I know people like you love the popular opinion. Well, I have done my own independent research and my findings are verifiable by even you.
I’ll ask that you look past that grudges and get a copy of my book if you can afford it. Read it and see if you can will see reasoning in my findings. It’s not wise to judge something you’ve not seen. It’s not wise to judge something you’ve not experienced. It’s not wise to judge a book before you read it. I thought you said you don’t have a problem with learning, then do not have a problem with learning. Must learning be something you approve of? How can you develop if everything you learn is what you already think?
Let me surprise you by showing you life differently and ofcourse you can refuse. That’s understandable too.
|Re: The Non-Christian Chatbox ( sticky ) by DavidAO(m): 11:34am On Jun 07|
This exactly true. I just think some people like to twist words. Religion is anything that requires greater devotion and interest. Science is religion, politics is a religion, football is a religion. Atheism is a religion for some. Everything can either be a religion or a passive activity. But most people don’t see it, when you tell them that they too are practicing religion they’ll deny bc humans are fundamentally denials of the reality.
I’m glad someone else sees this. I can see they are already attacking you but it’s ok. People don’t really like truth, they just want to be right. Some people will put so much efforts in trying to deny this but it’s ok
|Re: The Non-Christian Chatbox ( sticky ) by LordReed(m): 11:55am On Jun 07|
What is clear is you are drunk on your own bullcrap.
You denigrated buda for referencing wiki because according to you it showed he was relying on others telling him what life is but turn around to tell him to read your book which will tell him what life is. Are you not seeing how you pompously contradicted yourself?
Again you are denigrating me as a person that takes offence at being told the truth. Meanwhile your feud with me started because I corrected your patently false and misleading rephrasing of the law of conservation of energy, another clear case that shows your hypocritical pomposity.
I urge you to take your own advice and look past the your bitterness at being corrected and humble yourself to learn those things you are ignorant of. Stop feeding your pomposity with a false sense of superiority because you wrote a book.
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|Re: The Non-Christian Chatbox ( sticky ) by LordReed(m): 12:01pm On Jun 07|
Irrelevant. None of these things involve sacred worship period.
I don't brush teeth daily, bath regularly, wash clothes as a devotion, at times I actually pass on doing some, not saying I am a slob though
Again Irrelevant, there is some frequency to your actions. If merely being a lifestyle is religion then your lifestyle of brushing your teeth is your religion. I know you agree this is absurd, what I would like is for you to rethink your definition of religion.
|Re: The Non-Christian Chatbox ( sticky ) by budaatum: 1:05pm On Jun 07|
DavidAO:The fact that the above is what you see shows how blind or lazy you must be because if you had bothered to open your eyes and asked and knocked and sought with all your heart and soul and mind and being, as in do scientific research, you would find that buda is not one who lives by only one source alone, as you have claimed above. But since you have not bothered to be a scientist as Christ taught that you should, I will go read other more intelligent mentions before perhaps returning to read the rest of what you wrote. Meanwhile, do not hesitate to let me know what you learn from opening your eyes and doing some scientific research please.
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|Re: The Non-Christian Chatbox ( sticky ) by budaatum: 2:00pm On Jun 07|
Sorry, DavidAO, but the mere fact that you do not seem to realise that Jesus was a scientist who's entire teachings were, 'use your God given senses to understand the world you might be spending three score and ten in', is enough to put me off your book, because if you do not use your senses to study and understand your neighbours and your enemies, to say the least, you might find it difficult to love them, and you definitely will find it impossible to "Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth", and be blessed if you are anti-use your God given senses, which is what science is!
When you write a book about the Gospel of Use the Senses Eve, as opposed to that of, be obedient and remain ignorant, naked and enslaved Adam, hola at buda please.
|Re: The Non-Christian Chatbox ( sticky ) by Image123(m): 2:31pm On Jun 07|
Check that mirror.
|Re: The Non-Christian Chatbox ( sticky ) by BassReeves: 2:44pm On Jun 07|
LordReed:That is why they are said to not be true and pure religion, that has no flaws, that has no faults
LordReed:Exactly hence why fashion, football, consumerism, Atheism, Agnosticism, Buddhism, Christianity, Islam, ATR etc are religion albeit not our and true religion without faults or flaws
LordReed:You miss out the ingredients that makes up a true and pure religion, one without flaws or faults.
|Re: The Non-Christian Chatbox ( sticky ) by BassReeves: 2:51pm On Jun 07|
DavidAO:Its not yesterday, that we have been pitching this and shouting it from the rooftops.
The thing is in, right up to the 19th century, the word mouse, understandably, was known to mean a small rodent with pointing nose, but over the passage of time, the meaning of the word mouse has change to mean a navigation device used to move around the computer screen. It is not a real mouse in the true sense of the word, so it is with religion. Religion in the true sense of the word has to do with a dedicated devotion to showing empathy and/or giving compassion
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