m.k.o2005:

You can say the scripture lies if you like ! But i ask you,how many times did you see Melchizedek after the first tithe he collected tithe from Abraham ? Show me another time he appeared in the bible then i will show you another time he collected tithe ! You have not even bothered to ask urself how come Melchizedek appeared just once and one of the first things HE did was to collect tithe and you are here saying tithe should be thrown away ! The only three things Melchizedek did was to bring out bread and wine,blessed Abraham and collected tithe !
Jacob has already been blessed by God but bein man that he was,he decided to enter a covenant with God becos HE knows God does not break covenants ! See below scripture to show you clearly that Jacob has already been blessed by God before he vowed just to seal it with God :
Genesis 28:12-15''He had a dream in which he saw a stairway resting on the earth, with its top reaching to heaven, and the angels of God were ascending and descending on it. There above it stood the Lord, and he said: “I am the Lord, the God of your father Abraham and the God of Isaac. I will give you and your descendants the land on which you are lying. Your descendants will be like the dust of the earth, and you will spread out to the west and to the east, to the north and to the south. All peoples on earth will be blessed through you and your offspring. I am with you and will watch over you wherever you go, and I will bring you back to this land. I will not leave you until I have done what I have promised you.”
See also below scripture to show you that it was after the above blessings that he vowed to tithe :
Genesis 28:20-22 ''Then Jacob made a vow, saying, “If God will be with me and will watch over me on this journey I am taking and will give me food to eat and clothes to wear so that I return safely to my father’s household, then the Lord[d] will be my God 22 and this stone that I have set up as a pillar will be God’s house, and of all that you give me I will give you a tenth.” He was already blessed before the vow but as human that he is,who knows God don't break covenant,he decided to enter the covenant ! Trust God to be faithful with HIS words not to talk of covenant ! I can on my own count it as an error on the part of Jacob for not believing on the words of blessings of BABA,but trust he is human and what do you expect !
When Hebrews said Jesus is the priest according to the order of Melchizedek and if you want to understand what that means just go check out what Melchizedek did in Genesis 14 and you will under stand what Jesus did and is still doing in the body of Christ today !

I reiterate according to the word of God. TITHING IS ABSOLUTELY POSITIVELY NEW TESTAMENT !

GOD HELP US

Mat 25:34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:
Mat 25:35 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in:
Mat 25:36 Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me.
Mat 25:37 Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink?
Mat 25:38 When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee?
Mat 25:39 Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee?
Mat 25:40 And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.
Mat 25:41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:
Mat 25:42 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink:
Mat 25:43 I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not.
Mat 25:44 Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee?
Mat 25:45 Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me.
Mat 25:46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.

Pastor Kun: @MKO
Since you tithe based on Abraham's one off voluntary tithe to Melchizedek, then you would have to agree that it's not mandatory or required for christians and a christian may decide of his own free volution if, when and how he wants to do his tithe without necessarily following the modern church formula of monetary tithing from all income.

Candour:

No amount of colour will make Tithe a new testament doctrine.

Abraham gave Melchizedek tithe from war spoils. No single record that he tithed of his own farms or animals. why do you overlook that fact?

So in your thinking Melchizedek should have been waiting by the city gate every harvest period to collect tithes? He's not hungry. Abraham gave him tithes from war spoils as a mark of honour.

Show me where Abraham tithed from his farms, animals,gold or slaves and i'll agree with you

Candour:



Actually in my church. Its the truth and i lie not

fr_evangel: I don't think mko2005 actually read my posts or that of any other poster.
Seems like you are on a mission to preach falsehood.
I used to feel that most tithe preachers are simply ignorant (because I was when I pr ached tithe) but your scheming tactics has made me believe some preachers know the truth but are deliberately preaching a lie for the sake of money and because of the greed and "yahoo yahoo" attitude of folks like Olivertwist.

Candour, God bless you for your post about helping the needy brethren. God Bless you real good. That encouragement deserve a new thread.
Even when I was in a ministry where they almost made it wrong to help the needy brethren, stigmatizing the needy brethren as faithless, I some how, had a strong passion to help some personally. Some of them today have become pastors and church leaders who are in turn helping others, because that's what they learnt. This is God's plan for the church. Acts of the Apostles and Paul's letters to the churches shows this.
Jesus himself showed it severally and especially in Matthew 25;
The ONLY emphasized giving in the New Testament is sharing with the needy, the brethren in need, strangers, our family and as many as God will grant us the opportunity to help.



God bless you Candour, Pastor Kun, Christemmbassey, democrazy and all who got to their Bible to learn from God's word.
How can I forget to add Goshen360. Thanks a lot.
ps: @christemmbassey, your name made me feel you worship there oh, lol
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m.k.o2005:

What do you think spoils of war means ? Just to help you a little,it is not compulsorily or most definitely farm produce or live stocks but Any profits extracted as the result of winning a war i.e houses,ships,gold,silver,bronze,petrleum products,CASH ETC. See Scripture below to show you clearly from the bible what spoils could mean:
Joshua 6:18-19 “Do not take any of the things set apart for destruction, or you yourselves will be completely destroyed, and you will bring trouble on the camp of Israel. 19 Everything made from [b]silver, gold, bronze, or iron [/b]is sacred to the Lord and must be brought into his treasury.” So dnt think Abraham gave Melchizedek only toro-toro/kpe-kpe-ye or pig and grass cutter It is possible he did but not limited to that since the bible stated clearly that he gave a tenth of ALL THE SPOILS !
If you know who Melchizedek is,you will not say HE will go and stand at the city gate during harvest period to collect tithe ! This brings us to another point and questions to you; 'Were was Melchizedek before he was tithed to ? and was it during the harvest of farm produce that HE was tithed to ? and was it Abraham's FARM produce or farm produce generally that was tithed to Abraham ? Guy study your bible with understanding so you can help urself and help others who depend on you for positive knowledge !

Can you show me any where in the bible that categorically tells us not to tithe ? Dnt tell me the Law this the Law that becos tithing never started with The LAW

God bless us and goo nite

olivertwist:

I believe you bro. Take care

Breegz14: you're just being mislead by a fool who calls himself a pastor you can't give GOD 10% of your income but yet you expect all the blessings and riches in the world. how do you pay GOD back for the life he has given to you beware people have gone to hell for lesser sins than this

fr_evangel: @ mko2005 and Olivertwist, I have seen that both of you have hardened hearts and don't mind twisting scriptures to establish falsehood.

Every scripture on tithe you will ever need and every explanation has been given, but you have ignored it deliberately.
Compare what you just did, Olivertwist, (beating your chest because you gave 25,000) and what the Pharisee did in Luk_18:12 I fast two days a week, and I give you one tenth of all my income.' and what Paul said here Eph_2:9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.
So it is about money doubling and multiplication? You think your financial increase is tied to the fact that you tithe?
See where this doctrine of tithe has taking you to, back straight to the Law! You forgot that the law could not save anyone, that's the reason for grace.

I will not explain further, If you are interested, read through the scriptures I've previously posted.
The grace of the Lord be with you. Amen

Panshow:

Are you from Israel?, God is talking to Israelites, you are a Nigerian.

Demain_man: Will TITHING give me eternal life?
What is the important of TITHING apart from as you put it blessing here on earth which is not exclusive to tithers in any case
Will my not TITHING mean I go to HELL?
Will GOD be angry with me for not TITHING? And if he will be what will be my punishment

Pls don't tell me it is kingdom principle. And if you do what other kingdom principles are there and the punishment for non adherance to those principles.

Can the TITHE Apostles help me pls?

Candour:

Spoils of war means spoils of war. It could have been anything so you're free to squeeze anything into it. Abraham gave him from spoils of war NOT FROM HIS OWN FARM OR HERD OF FLOCK. Abraham met him when returning from war so don't lie that he gave of his farm or animals except you can prove that Abraham took animals and farm produce to the war front.

For Mosaic law of turning, it was strictly animals and edibles from the farm. Lev 27:30-33 was very unambiguous about that. If you don't know that, then you need to start your learning afresh.

In fact, I'm willing to indulge you. Assume i accept your theory that I should tithe the Abraham way and give Jesus my tithe, how do I go about it?

Goshen360: My own fun ...coming soon!!! It will chase all these tithe teachers and put them on the run away by exposition...watch out!!!

fr_evangel: I don't think mko2005 actually read my posts or that of any other poster.
Seems like you are on a mission to preach falsehood.
I used to feel that most tithe preachers are simply ignorant (because I was when I pr ached tithe) but your scheming tactics has made me believe some preachers know the truth but are deliberately preaching a lie for the sake of money and because of the greed and "yahoo yahoo" attitude of folks like Olivertwist.

Candour, God bless you for your post about helping the needy brethren. God Bless you real good. That encouragement deserve a new thread.
Even when I was in a ministry where they almost made it wrong to help the needy brethren, stigmatizing the needy brethren as faithless, I some how, had a strong passion to help some personally. Some of them today have become pastors and church leaders who are in turn helping others, because that's what they learnt. This is God's plan for the church. Acts of the Apostles and Paul's letters to the churches shows this.
Jesus himself showed it severally and especially in Matthew 25;
The ONLY emphasized giving in the New Testament is sharing with the needy, the brethren in need, strangers, our family and as many as God will grant us the opportunity to help.



God bless you Candour, Pastor Kun, Christemmbassey, democrazy and all who got to their Bible to learn from God's word.
How can I forget to add Goshen360. Thanks a lot.
ps: @christemmbassey, your name made me feel you worship there oh, lol
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m.k.o2005:

How do you go about what ? We are not in the levetical or Aronical days. Just tithe ! God has put it in your heart so do it ! The melchizedekal order of tithing which Christ HIMSELF received isn't under compulsion.It's a heart thing.It was not given becos of the Law says so.It was not given to curry blessings.It was given directly to Christ. There is nothing wrong to give and expected something in return just like people who fast to curry God's favour or blessings or even protection some times but in the days of Grace,God will still be faithful to HIS words. Tithe is given to show appreciation and not a kalo-kalo kind of activity !

God bless us

m.k.o2005:

Will TITHING give me eternal life? -Tithing does not give eternal life as offering of any kind or going to church can not give you eternal life! What guarantees eternal life is accepting Jesus as ur Lord and personal savior.
What is the important of TITHING apart from as you put it blessing here on earth which is not exclusive to tithers in any case?- The importance of tithing is not to receive blessings here on earth BUT ONE OF THE NUMEROUS CHANNELS TO BE APPRECIATIVE TO GOD FOR ALL HE HAS DONE FOR YOU AND TO SUPPORT THE FURTHERANCE OF THE GOSPEL !
Will my not TITHING mean I go to HELL? IF you don't pray,praise or worship God does not mean you will not go to heaven. What takes one to heaven is the grace of the Almighty God.The grace enables one even to accept Christ for him to be saved.If you tithe 100 percent and continue to live in sin,if the grace does not speak for you,you are hell bound already. Tithing does not save any one but it sure shows that we love God !
Will GOD be angry with me for not TITHING? And if he will be what will be my punishment? As it's a free will to accept Christ so is it a free will to tithe.But God isn't happy as people live in sin and refuse to believe in HIS son Jesus. God has put HIS evidence of existence in the hearts of Men and has used HIS creation to also indict men(atheists)so there will be no excuse for them on the day of Judgement. This is exactly what God has done for us all regarding tithing but HE will will not punish any man for not tithing but SURE there is a reward as there is a reward for soul winners !Remember he said he that winneth a soul is wise but that does not mean those who never won souls will not make it into heaven but there is reward even in heaven for those who did the extras!
Pls don't tell me it is kingdom principle. And if you do what other kingdom principles are there and the punishment for non adherance to those principles.- It's a kingdom principle in the sense that it will never deter you from making it into heaven for christ has taken care of salvation but we all need to activate our blessing if not they will lie fallow till Jesus comes. Lazarus the poor man with sores all over his body can tell you better. He failed to activate some of these principle but he made it into heaven after all ! God's desire for us isn't to live our lives like Lazarus,wretched,battered,stinking with sore infested body and beggarly ! That wasn't what Christ died for !
The choice is yours after all why we are happy is becos we are heavenly bound !

God bless you

God help us

Demain_man:

@m.k.o2005, Thanks for taking time to answer my questions. really appreciated that. I wish the tithe collectors can preach their tithe like you just described it which seems like freewill donations to me. Why do they in most cases go on and on and on about something that as you described it is not compulsory?

Why do some pastors of the pentecostal churches use phrases such 'tithe, else your life will be tight'? I am sure you have heard that phrase before.

Why can't they just tell people about this 'kingdom principle' and then concentrate on the weightier things like LOVE which encompasses all other commandments and which guarrantees eternal life just as Jesus himself told us?

You will agree with me that the reason the pentecostal churches pastors enforce tithe is so that they can continue to enjoy other peoples sweat (money) here on earth.

Remove tithe from the equation, a lot of pastors will pack up!

As for me I want to make heaven. Whether i am a messenger or boy boy for heaven it does not matter. I don't need the tithe reward! I need reward for accepting Jesus, for been a good Christian, for loving my neighbour as myself. [b]I DON'T NEED the TITHE reward at all!!!
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Candour:

Tithe to where?

If to Christ, then could following this scripture mean obedience to tithing to Christ?

Matt 25:40
'And the King shall answer and say unto them, verily i say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me'

If i adopt this statement from Christ, will i be adjudged to have complied?

I can give you examples of the least of the brethren Christ was talking about

they are the poor, sick, naked, prisoners, destitutes etc

Demain_man: @m.k.o2005, It all comes down to our level of understanding. Jesus said that whatsoever you do to the leaset of my brother, you do to me.

Only once did the Master mention tithe in the whole off the bible and it was when speaking about the customs of the pharises. He spoke about LOVE severally.

This tells me that tithe is not important in the eyes of the Master except of course you are a pharises, then continue tithing because it is your custom.

These are the things i want to get reward for, LOVE, Accepting Christ, Helping my neighbour whenever I can,

To appreciate God, I simply thank him for what he has done for me while begging him for more since Jesus said Seek and ye shall found, Ask for bread, your father (Jesus) will not give you stone!!

THANKSGIVING IS A WAY TO APPRECIATE GOD. NOT MONEY. I WILL SIMPLY USE MY MONEY TO HELP THE NEEDY AROUND ME Just as i except to be helped when i need help. BE CHARITABLE and it will be well with your soul. AMEN.

m.k.o2005:

What do you think Christ is doing with your tithe ? You think he will put it in the sewage and get it flushed ? Or do you also think that becos you have tithed and then you can go to sleep without affecting also the lives of ur neighbors who are in need ? It's all encompassing mate ! It's just like saying becos i have prayed,i need not to fast. Or becos i have studied the bible i need not to fellowship with other believers ! No. You have to do all these without leaving the others undone !- When some people came to Jesus and said his mother,brothers and sisters are outside waiting to see him and he asked them who his brothers,sisters and mother are ? That it's only the people listening to HIS word at that very moment are his brothers,sisters and mothers,does that now mean Christ has no mother,brother and sister ? Please let the holy spirit guide you in these words and stop fighting Christ like Paul did thinking you are fighting for God !

God help us

fr_evangel: I don't think mko2005 actually read my posts or that of any other poster.
Seems like you are on a mission to preach falsehood.
I used to feel that most tithe preachers are simply ignorant (because I was when I pr ached tithe) but your scheming tactics has made me believe some preachers know the truth but are deliberately preaching a lie for the sake of money and because of the greed and "yahoo yahoo" attitude of folks like Olivertwist.

Candour, God bless you for your post about helping the needy brethren. God Bless you real good. That encouragement deserve a new thread.
Even when I was in a ministry where they almost made it wrong to help the needy brethren, stigmatizing the needy brethren as faithless, I some how, had a strong passion to help some personally. Some of them today have become pastors and church leaders who are in turn helping others, because that's what they learnt. This is God's plan for the church. Acts of the Apostles and Paul's letters to the churches shows this.
Jesus himself showed it severally and especially in Matthew 25;
The ONLY emphasized giving in the New Testament is sharing with the needy, the brethren in need, strangers, our family and as many as God will grant us the opportunity to help.



God bless you Candour, Pastor Kun, Christemmbassey, democrazy and all who got to their Bible to learn from God's word.
How can I forget to add Goshen360. Thanks a lot.
ps: @christemmbassey, your name made me feel you worship there oh, lol
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democrazy:


God bless you too @ fr Evangel. Just to let you know that I also give my Tithe to God as an appreciation of kindless, blessing and mercy towards me.

Let's remember that the most important thing for us all is to make Heaven. Stay bless bro.

Pastor Kun:

Too many brethen are suffering becos of this false doctrine and the gospel of Christ is being polluted in the process. We cannot afford to rest on our oars whilst brethen are perishing due to lack of knowledge.