FOLYKAZE:

No need arguing since you cant show me faith in Ifa or where it stated in the corpus of Ifa that believe and worship so so and so.

I promise to open a thread for discussing spirituality and religion. Cheers man

FOLYKAZE:

No need arguing since you cant show me faith in Ifa or where it stated in the corpus of Ifa that believe and worship so so and so.

I promise to open a thread for discussing spirituality and religion. Cheers man

nnofaith: what is the essence of sacrifice (ebo) in ifa "philosophy" then?

aManFromMars:

Bro, if you want to keep foolish grudges, feel free to do so. I'm tired of your nonsense. This is my last reply to you on this matter.

FOLYKAZE:

No con ask question to run from my answer o.

Everything in the universe is consciouse.

Everything has it own ase (energy).

But there’s more to animal sacrifice nothing more than actively recharging an Orisa’s cosmic ase-battery.

sacrifice does not provide us with ase – ase only comes from Olodumare and the Orisa. Nor do we give blood to the Orisa to give them ase as they are already the keepers of Olodumare’s divine energy. We do not give blood to the Orisa to give our tools or “shrines” ase or even to give our lives ase. Believing that ritual sacrifice gives our Orisa ase is due to a misunderstanding not just of ritual sacrifice but also of ase.

My two kobo.... Im not that deep but thats the best way I can explain it.

Pastor AIO: You might find that often the 'traditionalists' are simply people sick and tired of christianity and islam and as such their stance is a reaction against these religions rather than any particular attraction to African religious ideas. That is not true for all of them, but I'm sure that some fit into this category.

Then there is the political element. ATR becomes a means of embracing your blackness, and your african identity, rather than based on any real spiritual experience.

Beyond NL, when discussing with such people, I find that their espousal of ATR tends to fall apart when you ask keen interested questions about their beliefs. One finds that they have very little actual involvement with ATR, whether as practitioners or as scholars simply taking an academic interest in it.

Logicboy03:

Hypocrite. You started the whole nonsense but now you want to act "mature"


ode

aManFromMars:

FOLYKAZE:

Ode...add to the topic on ground and answer questions directed at you.

Did I say there is nothing like sacrifice in Yoruba spirituality? I said im not deep and have explained it in my view. Drop your token and get lost. Ode

aManFromMars:

You're confused.

Take care.

FOLYKAZE:
sacrifice does not provide us with ase – ase only comes from Olodumare and the Orisa. Nor do we give blood to the Orisa to give them ase as they are already the keepers of Olodumare’s divine energy. We do not give blood to the Orisa to give our tools or “shrines” ase or even to give our lives ase. Believing that ritual sacrifice gives our Orisa ase is due to a misunderstanding not just of ritual sacrifice but also of ase.

My two kobo.... Im not that deep but thats the best way I can explain it.

PAGAN 9JA:



So you are now disregarding sacrifice in Ifa Orisha? LMAO!


YOU MUST BE A PROPHET.

aManFromMars:

Abeg, speak to the confused nigga. Smh. He wants to derives his own version of Ifa. Lol.

Confused confusion.

PAGAN 9JA:


I think brother Folykase has successfully demonstrated how prophets of religion (jesus, moses, muhammad, Folykase,etc.) came into existence.

1)They don't go by pure SPirituality or experience. They go by theory.

2)They do away with aspects of ancient religion in practice, that they feel does not suit them or "their" modern standards.

aManFromMars:

At least someone sees what I see. He's trying to reinvent Ifa, when it's practitioners do take sacrifices, the deities and the rituals serious.

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How u dey boss? Long time. I saw your Invitation thread in the Culture section. Hope those mentioned respond. Really looking forward to it.

PAGAN 9JA:


I think brother Folykase has successfully demonstrated how prophets of religion (jesus, moses, muhammad, Folykase,etc.) came into existence.

1)They don't go by pure SPirituality or experience. They go by theory.

2)They do away with aspects of ancient religion in practice, that they feel does not suit them or "their" modern standards.

3)They believe they have suceeded in creating a modern. new age religion.

Brother FOlykase, you are on the right track, but please dont just go by theory. Go by experience.

Ifa didnt tell Yoruba to do Egungun masquerade as well. But they still do it. I hope you get my drift.

FOLYKAZE:

Lol.

True I read alot about Ifa. I asked question from ifa priest and do observe them divining and working in shrine.

Im not initiated yet. Even most some of my questions are not answered by the priest because he think i must be a student before I can know those things. But how can I be initiated when am still in my papa house?

How do you want me to bring okin ifa and opele to my papa house?

I can still learn within the limit I can and will continue learning. Cheers man

PAGAN 9JA:



So you are now disregarding sacrifice in Ifa Orisha? LMAO!


YOU MUST BE A PROPHET.

PAGAN 9JA:


Learning has its ups and downs. but dont give up bro.

Lol teach your papa some IFa.

I wish you luck. Get yourself initiate when you can.

FOLYKAZE:

There are two discipline in Ifa : awo and Ogbere.

Where did I deny sacrifice is in Ifa? Pagan9ja why lying na?

I explained ritual to my own understanding and stated that im not deep into that. Is that a crime?

Pls dont join the wagon of Abrahamic religion which is devour with lie. Speak truth and live by it.

PAGAN 9JA:


ok I thought you denied sacrifice.

aManFromMars:

At least someone sees what I see. He's trying to reinvent Ifa, when it's practitioners do take sacrifices, the deities and the rituals serious.

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How u dey boss? Long time. I saw your Invitation thread in the Culture section. Hope those mentioned respond. Really looking forward to it.

Ubenedictus: he is afraid of the orishas. His version of ifa is too interesting to be true.

FOLYKAZE:

Is this how you became a christian?

What is Orisha?

Na wa o.....claiming something you have zero knowledge about. Nairaland sha

Ubenedictus: he is afraid of the orishas. His version of ifa is too interesting to be true.

barack_o_handso:

As in, very interesting ehn! Sounds so cool.

FOLYKAZE:

In lil wayne voice "B¡tch swallow words, taste my thoughts
And if its too nasty, spit it back at me"

mind helping your friend defining Orisa? Ya you heard me right, if it not good with ya, split it back....meaning prove me wrong

barack_o_handso:


Chillax bruv! Don't go down the 'nigga' road hence derailing your thread. I have no ish with your 'Orisa' definition, "Selective consciousness" you say, yes? But that's besides the point.


And "Bîtçh swallow words" is anything but Nigerian/African, you're a staunch promoter of African values and cultures as opposed to American values, no?