hmmm, to me personally i think engineering is more tasking compared to medicine because you have to go through a lot of researches and discoveries in order to make new inventories.

Thanking all d peops who've participated,

A world resort like dubai is full of marvelous sites, kUdo's to construction workers, engineering all the way,

lmao!! dis topic and responses sure shows medicine is more challenging cos doctors/med students don't even av the time to sit and start typing & ranting abt how challenging their course/profession is.
moreover,if u guys think engineering is more challenging and 'life-saving' than medicine,why not study for 7yrs too and also receive a licence to practice which can be withdrawn at anytime when u 'Bleep up'. uhn!!

and oops i almost 4got, the poster mentioned smtin abt circuits,i guess u shld try to cut up a cadaver one day and check out how the arteries,veins, nerves & lymphatics r all ''nicely arranged!', my oh my, moreover they aren't blue and red coloured like wires in electrical appliances.

Hey Guys

I'm kind of confused, are we talking about our Nigerian Engineering or the world in general?

In Nigeria= the medical doctors are far more equipped than the Engineers, infact in Nigeria, there is no such thing as practicals

in developed countries= Engineers are more advanced, talk about IT, areonautics, e.t.c

They are both not as challenging as people make them to be.

i'm an engineeer - my sis is a doctor

in nigeria, as an engineer, assuming an unbroken academic yera, you spend 5 years in college, one tear in nysc then you can get out and start making money

for medical students
you spend six yeras in med school, i year housemanship, then nysc, then residency, then consultancy, before you can start making serious money

by the time you are doing nysc, small boys who were in 100 level when you were in yera four have started bring home the bacon, while you are still asking dad for handouts

worse, the financial  rewards of medicine in naija are just not worth it . most of my close friends from school were medicos and they all said they would not read medicine if they were to live their lives again. fortunately, most of them have escaped to yankee/
uk.

in US , its worse, you spend 3-4 years in college as an engineer. to be a doctor, you first do a 4 year premed course then med school, then all those residenct etl - . you have to have a near perefct high school and college gpa to get into med school in the first place. however, the financial rewards are the bomb - if debt doesnt kill you first

i leave it to you to decide which is more difficult

I am an Engineer and I have a cousin who's a doctor. Could still remember how hard I studied in school and how hard my work can be, especially while solving critical challenges. My cousin seemed to work very hard then, through med school and housemanship; he even lost his sense of humor somewhat because of his career.

However, in all this it's really not the challenges posed but how the individual responds to those challenges that matter. Engineering can be hard if you are soft and Medicine can be hard if you're a puppy; vice versa. And the pay? Either can pay better, it all depends on how fast you can advance your career, with the right information.

You can get a free report on how to advance rapidly in your career by sending an email to solutionforte@yahoo.com.

Obviously na engineers post for this thread pass. I am ready to even bet, una neva comot school for more than 3 years. So the Stroud and Teraja still dey shack una.
I am an engineer and have been one for the past ten years. Studied Electrical and Electronic Engineering up to postgrad level.
Medicine is a lot more difficult than engineering. Unlike Engineering, it is a lifelong study, and it requires a lot more than mental aptitude. You need to have the mental aptitude of an engineer, and also be tough emotionally, physically fit, and you need to be courageous also. If any engineer go even argue this thing, no be Nigerian engineers. See as COREN and NSE dey helpless, no graduate engineer even send them. Can you say same about ICAN, for example?

Una no dey watch House? Lots of Nigerian doctors are not even making the grade, just visit any hospital and you'll know what I mean.
But even in Nigeria, doctors are researching and winning international awards. How many Nigeria-based engineers have ever won any international award? Come on. While we're at it, all the engineers in the house? what did you do your graduating project on? if na civil you do, you probably did a write up on some structure equations. If na mech, you built a grinding machine or something. If na elect, e go pass digital counter, digital this, and digital that? Most of the project sef una dey contract am out to some roadside technicians to build for una.

Globally, medicine is lifelong learning and training. Engineering is not. Una dey mix science and engineering. Engineering is just applications. Na the physicists and chemists dey make the discoveries. They are the researchers. In medicine you have to be the researcher yourself. You have to invent new ways of treating people. And medicine is far wider in specialization than engineering. Try this: in surgey alone, you have the general surgery, maxillofacial surgery, cardiac surgery, neurosurgery, etc, etc. Each of these require a lifetime of training, research and serious dedication.

I have a sister who's a doctor in the states, and I watch all the medical dramas a lot (House 1-4), ER, Grey's Anatomy, etc. I have lots of respect for doctors and what they do. It's a lifetime of dedication to study and saving lives. Engineering is good too, but it doesn't require that lifetime of commitment.
Besides, why do you think there's a Nobel Prize for medicine, physics, and chemistry, but not engineering?

AjanleKoko:

Obviously na engineers post for this thread pass. I am ready to even bet, una neva comot school for more than 3 years. So the Stroud and Teraja still dey shack una.
I am an engineer and have been one for the past ten years. Studied Electrical and Electronic Engineering up to postgrad level.
Medicine is a lot more difficult than engineering. Unlike Engineering, it is a lifelong study, and it requires a lot more than mental aptitude. You need to have the mental aptitude of an engineer, and also be tough emotionally, physically fit, and you need to be courageous also. If any engineer go even argue this thing, no be Nigerian engineers. See as COREN and NSE dey helpless, no graduate engineer even send them. Can you say same about ICAN, for example?

Una no dey watch House? Lots of Nigerian doctors are not even making the grade, just visit any hospital and you'll know what I mean.
But even in Nigeria, doctors are researching and winning international awards. How many Nigeria-based engineers have ever won any international award? Come on. While we're at it, all the engineers in the house? what did you do your graduating project on? if na civil you do, you probably did a write up on some structure equations. If na mech, you built a grinding machine or something. If na elect, e go pass digital counter, digital this, and digital that? Most of the project sef una dey contract am out to some roadside technicians to build for una.

Globally, medicine is lifelong learning and training. Engineering is not. Una dey mix science and engineering. Engineering is just applications. Na the physicists and chemists dey make the discoveries. They are the researchers. In medicine you have to be the researcher yourself. You have to invent new ways of treating people. And medicine is far wider in specialization than engineering. Try this: in surgey alone, you have the general surgery, maxillofacial surgery, cardiac surgery, neurosurgery, etc, etc. Each of these require a lifetime of training, research and serious dedication.

I have a sister who's a doctor in the states, and I watch all the medical dramas a lot (House 1-4), ER, Grey's Anatomy, etc. I have lots of respect for doctors and what they do. It's a lifetime of dedication to study and saving lives. Engineering is good too, but it doesn't require that lifetime of commitment.
Besides, why do you think there's a Nobel Prize for medicine, physics, and chemistry, but not engineering?

please, you are obviously another of the frauds that runs around nairaland spouting rubbish . bloody secondary school leaver coming to misyarn

you claim to have been an engineer for ten years, that means you have not learnt anything new in those ten years? what are you - retarded?

you say engineer contract work out to road side technicians. no engineer would talk like that - unless of course, you are one of those 'engineers'(drafter, technician, roadside electrician)

the funniest thing is that so much of what you are blathering abouit is based on TV shows- entertainment TV shows - maybe if you watched more extreme engineering on discovery channel


go here dumb olodo

https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-108071.64.html

To be fair to both parties, it is quite inappropriate to compare both. Neither side knows what the other is going through.

Being an Engineer myself, I know that definitely isnt beans. At the same time, I can imagine that medicine aint no child's play either!

How can someone who is sane and claims to be an engineer say

Globally, medicine is lifelong learning and training. Engineering is not. Una dey mix science and engineering. Engineering is just applications. Na the physicists and chemists dey make the discoveries. They are the researchers.

This is sheer idiocy at it's highest level, not to talk of blatant stupidity.

Have you not heard of mandatory continuous professional development (CPD)? There is NO field of learning or endeavour that can remove itself from lifelong learning.

If you said YOUR practice of engineering is 'just applications' then I would understand. Sadly you have shown you have no grasp or any meaningful understanding of what engineering involves. Please keep your ignorance to yourself.

Obviously na engineers post for this thread pass. I am ready to even bet, una neva comot school for more than 3 years. So the Stroud and Teraja still dey shack una.
I am an engineer and have been one for the past ten years. Studied Electrical and Electronic Engineering up to postgrad level.
Medicine is a lot more difficult than engineering. Unlike Engineering, it is a lifelong study, and it requires a lot more than mental aptitude. You need to have the mental aptitude of an engineer, and also be tough emotionally, physically fit, and you need to be courageous also. If any engineer go even argue this thing, no be Nigerian engineers. See as COREN and NSE dey helpless, no graduate engineer even send them. Can you say same about ICAN, for example?

Una no dey watch House? Lots of Nigerian doctors are not even making the grade, just visit any hospital and you'll know what I mean.
But even in Nigeria, doctors are researching and winning international awards. How many Nigeria-based engineers have ever won any international award? Come on. While we're at it, all the engineers in the house? what did you do your graduating project on? if na civil you do, you probably did a write up on some structure equations. If na mech, you built a grinding machine or something. If na elect, e go pass digital counter, digital this, and digital that? Most of the project sef una dey contract am out to some roadside technicians to build for una.

Globally, medicine is lifelong learning and training. Engineering is not. Una dey mix science and engineering. Engineering is just applications. Na the physicists and chemists dey make the discoveries. They are the researchers. In medicine you have to be the researcher yourself. You have to invent new ways of treating people. And medicine is far wider in specialization than engineering. Try this: in surgey alone, you have the general surgery, maxillofacial surgery, cardiac surgery, neurosurgery, etc, etc. Each of these require a lifetime of training, research and serious dedication.

I have a sister who's a doctor in the states, and I watch all the medical dramas a lot (House 1-4), ER, Grey's Anatomy, etc. I have lots of respect for doctors and what they do. It's a lifetime of dedication to study and saving lives. Engineering is good too, but it doesn't require that lifetime of commitment.
Besides, why do you think there's a Nobel Prize for medicine, physics, and chemistry, but not engineering?

ahn ahn
i cant believe this coming from an experienced engineer.

im printing this ur post for some engineers to read

debosky:

How can someone who is sane and claims to be an engineer say



This is sheer idiocy at it's highest level, not to talk of blatant stupidity.

Have you not heard of mandatory continuous professional development (CPD)? There is NO field of learning or endeavour that can remove itself from lifelong learning.

If you said YOUR practice of engineering is 'just applications' then I would understand. Sadly you have shown you have no grasp or any meaningful understanding of what engineering involves. Please keep your ignorance to yourself.

maybe we should rename you - the man who invented Zen 

tkb417:

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ahn ahn
i cant believe this coming from an experienced engineer.

im printing this ur post for some engineers to read

no be Internet - where boys are men, girls are men and children are FBI agents

they guy is obviously a university student - thats why he was so quick to blather about stroud and theraja - a working engineer with 10 years experinece would be talking about IEC, IEE, ASME, etal

Sorry guys, I just read this ajanlekoko's post.

@ ajanlekoko, it is you who sounds like fresh graduate to me. For your info, I also studied EE, and I know neither me nor any of my other classmates did anything as simple as a digital counter for our honours project. But again, which school did you graduate from?

I am infact beginning to doubt if truly you are an Engineer. You sure dont talk like one.

and the guy claims to be a big oga at a telecomms company

perhaps its the roadside techniciansat his company that are designing the fibre optic backbone for the networks ( i no be telecom guy oh in case i got the terminology wrong )

no be Internet - where boys are men, girls are men and children are FBI agents

they guy is obviously a university student - thats why he was so quick to blather about stroud and theraja - a working engineer with 10 years experinece would be talking about IEC, IEE, ASME, etal

I read the link you sent and im a bit taken aback
he claimed to be a marketer somewhere and else where hes a top telcos guy

na wa 4 people. award dey for this?

E be like say this yarn pain these pickins ooo!!!! in fact I be real agbaya sha,

oyb:

and the guy claims to be a big oga at a telecomms company

perhaps its the roadside techniciansat his company that are designing the fibre optic backbone for the networks ( i no be telecom guy oh in case i got the terminology wrong )

debosky:

How can someone who is sane and claims to be an engineer say



This is sheer idiocy at it's highest level, not to talk of blatant stupidity.

Have you not heard of mandatory continuous professional development (CPD)? There is NO field of learning or endeavour that can remove itself from lifelong learning.

If you said YOUR practice of engineering is 'just applications' then I would understand. Sadly you have shown you have no grasp or any meaningful understanding of what engineering involves. Please keep your ignorance to yourself.

oyb:

please, you are obviously another of the frauds that runs around nairaland spouting rubbish . bloody secondary school leaver coming to misyarn

you claim to have been an engineer for ten years, that means you have not learnt anything new in those ten years? what are you - retarded?

you say engineer contract work out to road side technicians. no engineer would talk like that - unless of course, you are one of those 'engineers'(drafter, technician, roadside electrician)

the funniest thing is that so much of what you are blathering abouit is based on TV shows- entertainment TV shows - maybe if you watched more extreme engineering on discovery channel


go here dumb olodo

https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-108071.64.html

Young ones,
Make una take am easy. But thanks for all the hailing. Finally I don get some popularity for this forum.
E se gaan. But come o. Una dey pay to post? This una raking too serious o. At least, I be secondary school leaver, marketer, or roadside engineer. Una no fit leave me be? Why kicking a bruda when he down? awwww,

Cheers guys. Make una no vex, I take God beg una.

Medicine is way more challenging than Engineering, imo.

What's the percentage of students who even graduate from medical school, compared to the ratio who are Engineering graduates.

After you manage to make it through graduation nko? You still have to go for residency and take more exams in order to qualify as a specialist. And people can still be dropped during the residency program, even abroad talkless Nigeria.

the answer is very simple.engineering of course.engineering is.the mistake of a doctor kills a person at a time while an engineers mistakes kills many at a time.

I know a friend that works in an engineering firm that manufactures medical equipments!!
He is disabled
LOL! i go die oooooo!!!!

tpia:

Medicine is way more challenging than Engineering, imo.

What's the percentage of students who even graduate from medical school, compared to the ratio who are Engineering graduates.

After you manage to make it through graduation nko? You still have to go for residency and take more exams in order to qualify as a specialist. And people can still be dropped during the residency program, even abroad talkless Nigeria.

Staying long in school doesn't make a course more challenging. I personally did not go for medicine because of the time and financially burden involved. It was not because medicine is more challenging.

Engineering, on the other hand, I can say is as challenging as you can make. If you hope to just be a mediocre engineer, then most colleges will let you be and you'll come out as mediocre so long as you meet the minimum criteria for graduation.

Besides, if Medical doctors will spend close to 7-10 years studying Medicine, an Engineer can also chose to get his PhD where he'll be opportuned to conduct state-of-the art research and come out very professionally competent as a researcher in about 10 years (same time-frame as Medicine). And that route is as challenging as it can get.

Lots of Engineering PhD candidates end up not graduating with one because of the stress, loneliness and challenge involved.

I would say, in my opinion, both specialties are challenging "relatively"!

A mathematically inclined student would most likely perform better in Engineering even though it'll still be challenging but he might really struggle to come to grasp with the challenge in medicine and vice versa.

As an example, a friend who was so mathematical inclined in his academic pursuits, had A's in almost all his science and engineering courses, but had back logs in the biological and social sciences and the humanities.

So "challenging" to some extent is relative and both engineering and medicine are challenging!

I want to believe that by 'challenging' we're referring not just to the years spent in school, and the degree of academic pursuit, but to the lifelong career pursuit of either career, plus their relative impact on the nation in which we live.
I'm not going to argue on the global scale. Many of us live and work in Nigeria, so let's use our society as a point of reference. I also want to believe that majority of the posters had at least their first degree in Nigeria.

With that in mind, I'll still say medicine is way more challenging, and these are my reasons:
1. Education: Except we want to be economical with the truth, engineering education in Nigeria is less than nothing to write home about. In fact, virtually all the government-owned universities are deficient as far as practicals are concerned, and the knowledge is far from up-to-date. So you can actually have graduate engineers without any particularly serious exposure to anything. In fact, where are the engineering institutions in Nigeria, and what are their contributions to industry?

However, medicine, despite the decline in educational standards in Nigeria, remain greatly practical-oriented, as they cannot just afford to turn out doctors who have never touched a cadaver in their lives. The nature of the profession forces one to confronted with daily realities as it relates to sicknesses and diseases, unlike the engineers. They face the same institutional challenges in Nigeria, but somehow the impact of inefficiency in medical education is felt far more than the impact of inefficient engineering education.

2. Career Discipline: I'd say maybe less than 10% of Nigerian graduate engineers are even practising engineering today. Most of the young engineers posting on this thread are in either of these three places: (1) studying for postgrad abroad (2) working in a blue-chip, which is a bank, oil and gas company, or maybe the A grade consulting firms. How many are actually practising engineering? Now, before someone says 'oh, that's because it's way more challenging', I'll be quick to ask, how is it that there seem to be much more schools offering engineering, much more students, and much more engineering grads than there are medical graduates or even medical schools in Nigeria?

3. Lifelong Career Impact. All you need to do is go to any hospital in Nigeria, public or private, and you'll find that the average doctor is overworked, overstressed, and underpaid. They work long hours, and are paid virtually nothing, compared to the rest of us, who are not even practising engineering in the real sense of it, Most times they need to improvise, with no tools, a hostile work environment, hysterical patients, etc. They're faced with death on a daily basis. Come on guys, how many life-and-death situations have any of you ever faced? For people who even work in the telecom or oil and gas sector, where to some degree engineering is practised, how many would want to work under the same conditions as an average general hospital Casualty doctor? Same pay, hours, everything. Also the fact that your time is not your own, what the medicos refer to as being 'on call'.

I think doctors, apart from having the same degree of academic requirement as engineers (i.e, like engineers, they also need to understand the science behind what they're doing and must be able to apply the science as part of their job), also need to be mentally well-adjusted, able to cope with real pressures that come with making life-or-death decisions on a minute-by-minute basis, and also need to be physically fit and emotionally stable. This is so they can do stuff like stand throughout and concentrate during an 18-hour long major surgery, swiftly resuscitate and stabilize a patient that is dying, and a number of other things that we engineers cannot simply begin to fathom. We engineers need to be mature enough to apply balanced judgement, and stop being intellectually arrogant. That I can prove Maxwell's 4 equations very well, does not mean that the equations are the only things that hold the earth in place, or the most difficult things known to mankind.

As an aside (please don't let's turn this particular one into another argument o!), I know at least two guys personally who were flunked out of their MB after third year med, and were pushed to engineering. One of them graduated with a first class (UNN), and the other with a 2.1 (Ife). Before both these guys went in for medicine, they were top students at their various high schools, so it wasn't like a fluke. You can see why I would root for medicine.
Peace.

well said jare,ajanlekoko.
the only point they seem to shout on top of their voice and spit about is dat the mistake of an engineer claims many lifes while dat of a doctor just 1 life.
i wonder where our nigerian engineering firms r, when the repairs to the 3rd mainland bridge was done,
i wonder where our nigerian engineers r when the 'almost collapsed' building in V.I was contracted to and brought down by a S.A engineering firm.

naija engineers make sub-standard roads (which shows how incompetent they r or maybe hw 'dubious' they r).
i don't even tink our engineers av made anytin tangible apart frm touchlights, grinding machines, assembling computer and motorcycle parts.
they can't even make an ordinary tv set all dis yrs until LG made d first nigerian tv. it is the foreigners dat run most of the engineering firms & also invent new tins in d country, shame!

What you find challenging depends on the person.
For some engineering is challenging, while to others it is the easier option. I know quite a few engineering phd holders from top universities of the world who struggle with writing essays.
Medicine could also be challenging, as what it lacks in numerical concepts, it makes up for in volume and breadth.
one thing am sure is that both na wahala!

zerocool:

well said jare,ajanlekoko.
the only point they seem to shout on top of their voice and spit about is dat the mistake of an engineer claims many lifes while dat of a doctor just 1 life.
i wonder where our nigerian engineering firms r, when the repairs to the 3rd mainland bridge was done,
i wonder where our nigerian engineers r when the 'almost collapsed' building in V.I was contracted to and brought down by a S.A[b] engineering firm.[/b]

olodo full naija its so sad that retards like zeroIQ can come and highlight their ignorance - see him equating demolition with construction. even wosre, like so may illiterate nigerians, you confuse construction with engineering. olodo.

One can cram medical jargons and eventual pass MEDICAL exams but in ENGINEERING is a different ball game, you have to do it. you know we do not just read ENGINEERING, we do Engineering. Even in the process, we manufacture common syringe for them to aid their operations.
In fact let me stop here.

i think someone studying both courses at the same time will be able to give a better answer to the question.
@ last poster, i am studying an allied health course and i can tell that medicine is not abt cramming some medical jargon.

AjanleKoko:

As an aside (please don't let's turn this particular one into another argument o!), I know at least two guys personally who were flunked out of their MB after third year med, and were pushed to engineering. One of them graduated with a first class (UNN), and the other with a 2.1 (Ife). Before both these guys went in for medicine, they were top students at their various high schools, so it wasn't like a fluke. You can see why I would root for medicine.
Peace.

I am not trying to argue here but to dispute the premise for you wanting to root for medicine. I know couple of friends in high school who were top students at national level. These were students who made WAEC and JAMB seem like child's play. But honestly, these students I am citing cannot study Medicine because they are so mathematically inclined that any academic material not in that direction does not interest them at all. Flunking out of a program doesn't make it any more difficult. There are reasons that could be attributed to that.

Maybe those kids you mentioned lost interest in Medicine and became slackers. Probably, they understood an Engineering degree is apt for them and decided to switch majors. There is still a chance they were prevailed upon to study Medicine due to their stellar high school performance. Several factors abound that could have caused the example you cited but I am not convinced it is not sufficient to use that as a premise in rooting for Medicine as been more challenging than Engineering because it is very disputable.

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