Sagamite:

I hope they are listening!!!

I have seen a lot of them with this kind of opinions and they sure irritate me.

You bring up your kids like westerners do, you are likely to have a western behaved kid.

You bring up your kids like Africans do, you are likely to have a African behaved kid.

I know too many of them.

@sagamite
you can get the complete texts if you have acess to jstor or any literary website,its well worth it to have the books, machiavelli,thomas hobbes,john locke,sigmund freud,karl marx,but personally i believe in karl marx's socialism as the best form of government eradicates corruption,big business and their unfair practices,wealth distribution e.t.c
@post
i think the labour government are paying attention to the problem though and are at least engaging the youths,personally i think a whollistic approach to the problem covering all the issues will get more results that the piecemeal approach,the conservative mayor has a diffrent plan labour pm has another plan,they r cutting funding and the met police are not helping matters with the distrust minorities have of them,just last week the association of black metropolitan police officers threatened to take a large no of policemen to court for their refusal to fill in a form asking them about their attitude to minorities and racial issues

This is what you get where there are too many laws.
When u discipline your own child they call it child abuse.
when you tell your child what he/she is suppose to do they call it bullying.
When you don't discipline them they charge you of negligence.

5 men stabbed in period of 24 hours.

This is what you get where there are too many laws.
When u discipline your own child they call it child abuse.
when you tell your child what he/she is suppose to do they call it bullying.
When you don't discipline them they charge you of negligence.

5 men stabbed in period of 24 hours.

lol

They need to bring back hanging and public flogging. If these useless parents can't train their offspring the law should do it for them.

Can I also ask in respect to us Nigerians/Africans I have noticed personally many children brought over here from Nigeria/Africa are usually the worst ones. The ones that go astray.

Why is that? Why do the lose the good foundation of rules and respect.

I really imploy all parents please do not fear the law and train your child from day one pay attention to your childs activites their friends. Dont allow them out to wonder the streets for hours on end. No child is perfect. But parents really need to step up and take charge.

london is boiling and UK is losing its grip on safety/security!

laws need to get tougher

curfews need to be imposed in melting points

bars and pubs should shut early

parents should be locked (together with thier kids) if they are found loitering and gathering round on the streets

knives should be sold at the police stations only

LadyT:

I really imploy all parents please do not fear the law and train your child from day one pay attention to your childs activites their friends. Dont allow them out to wonder the streets for hours on end. No child is perfect. But parents really need to step up and take charge.

When they send them to jail for that the kids will then have all the time in this world to do their thing as they pleases.

CARUSO:

london is boiling and UK is losing its grip on safety/security!

laws need to get tougher

As you toughen the law the more you create another loop hole.

CARUSO:

laws need to get tougher
bars and pubs should shut early

Go to other Western countries bars and clubs stays open till 4 am. The problem starts from the home. Once you can't control them at early age if you like close all the bars they will do their thing.

presido1:

Go to other Western countries bars and clubs stays open till 4 am. The problem starts from the home. Once you can't control them at early age if you like close all the bars they will do their thing.

these are additional measures that would definitely have an impact even if it is 0.01%, it would be worth it!

Many of these teenagers are lost causes sorry to say. The sooner they are taken off the streets the better

LadyT:

Many of these teenagers are lost causes sorry to say. The sooner they are taken off the streets the better

would u kindly help in shifting some numbers in your postcode area please?!

God forbid. I suggest we put them all into slavery

lucabrasi:

@sagamite
you can get the complete texts if you have acess to jstor or any literary website,its well worth it to have the books, machiavelli,thomas hobbes,john locke,sigmund freud,karl marx,but personally i believe in karl marx's socialism as the best form of government eradicates corruption,big business and their unfair practices,wealth distribution e.t.c

I don't have access to them. It would be interesting to read these thinkings.

I think I have read a bit on Karl Marx whilst reading about American neo-cons on wiki but I just focused on his background not his philosophy.

LadyT:

They need to bring back hanging and public flogging. If these useless parents can't train their offspring the law should do it for them.

Can I also ask in respect to us Nigerians/Africans I have noticed personally many children brought over here from Nigeria/Africa are usually the worst ones. The ones that go astray.

Why is that? Why do the lose the good foundation of rules and respect.

I really imploy all parents please do not fear the law and train your child from day one pay attention to your childs activites their friends. Dont allow them out to wonder the streets for hours on end. No child is perfect. But parents really need to step up and take charge.

Omo Mama Titi, e bi like say we go marry o. You no dey do oyinbo way at all and I know my children will need some smacking if they have my gene as I know I be stubborn person.

The reason Nigerians/Africans kids are worse is because, in most cases, the come from parents that have deep inferiority complex. Probably the parents glorify white people and then try and copy white ways by bringing up their children like white people do. I have seen it a lot of times with some Nigerian parents. They even don't allow their children to speak their local language, don't give them local names and you see the pride in their eyes when they tell you that their child can only speak English.

I thank god I was doing "Proudly Nigerian" (to the horror of my acquintances) well before OBJ, 2face and co made it popular and even created a logo for it.

As I always tell people then: "I have never seen a person that does not respect himself, who other people respect."

For generations now, people from all over the world have yearned to one day settle down in Britain to enjoy the freedoms and opportunities of that country,  yet there are so many young British people of immigrant descent who are willing to throw all of those freedoms away by knifing or shooting someone over trivialities.  More ironic too is the disproportionate number of black kids turning to gun and knife crime in the UK, and how willing they are to do jail time in a land that offers so much to the free and law-abiding.

While the causes of the increased knife and gun incidents in the UK are being debated, the idea of BEATING UP children to make them "better" needs to be consigned to the dustbin of history, and filed under "Sadism".    Beating up kids as done in Nigeria only engenders fear and hatred, but NEVER respect, for authority figures.  The scale of wanton brutality visited on 6 to 16-year old Nigerian students by sadistic and often sexually perverted teachers under the pretext of administering "corporal punishment" is one of the greatest hidden tragedies of Nigerian society, and it is that culture of violence inflicted on children which inures them to shock over the summary street mob lynchings they will witness soon enough.

In between wringing our hands and whimpering over the few knife and gun incidents that take place in the UK, it is even more sobering to note that NO statistics are kept  to tally the number of street mob murders, ritual dismemberments, traffic hit-and-run deaths, abductions and robbery massacres that take place continuously in Nigeria.

All things considered, The United Kingdom is an extremely safe country in which to reside, where life expectancy and the quality of life are still WAY better than in some places I can think of.

in these children's defence,i think the government need to show them some love and attention,i saw a programme on bbc like some months ago where gangs were interviewed in the hot spots of london and outside london and the re current thing they keep on saying is that the government s abandoned them or dont care for them,which has fed into their resentment of society,government generally if you talk to any of these guys they will tell u they hate white people first,then the police then the general public,they are not lost causes only if the government pays attention to them for oncw this time instead of useless campaigns like trident doing more harm than good

So how has beating up children in Nigeria helped us raise good children. Weren't all the cultists that kill and maim in the universities in Nigeria beaten as children? the robbers, politicians , ND militants, Obasanjo, fake pastors and 419ers? what has not beating children got to do with 18 stabbings in 6 months.How many people die when northern maniacs go on rampage?

So na abokis don full London now,very soon na bow and arrow dem go dey use shege kawaiiiiii

lucabrasi:

in these children's defence,i think the government need to show them some love and attention,i saw a programme on bbc like some months ago where gangs were interviewed in the hot spots of london and outside london and the re current thing they keep on saying is that the government s abandoned them or don't care for them,which has fed into their resentment of society,government generally if you talk to any of these guys they will tell u they hate white people first,then the police then the general public,they are not lost causes only if the government pays attention to them for oncw this time instead of useless campaigns like trident doing more harm than good

Common now, was this not the same reasons the mus'lim youth gave as reasons for wanting to bomb US and UK? They also claimed to be bored, disaffected with western policy and said there was no youth facilities, no jobs, etc.

@ post

Apart from Nigerian kids/university students that have to steal or prostitute to feed themselves, how many kid from Nigeria can step up to an adult due to boredom without getting ten backhand slaps before he even opens his mouth.

What this kids need is tough love. The government needs to regain control of the youth and give back discipline rights to the teachers, parents, the police, etc.

No one is advocating Britain employ the Nigeria-style type of beating which is tantamount to child abuse, but boundaries needs to be set for these kids.

Only 19 have died so far, but according to one Dr Tunji Lasoye (consultant head of A&E at King's hospital, London) over 14,000 kids presented in hospital with knife wounds last year, and he does not believe this figure to be true as not everyone bothers to report to the police.

Also this incidents is niot restricted to kids on kids, around 5,000 adults also got stabbed last year by kids, jacking them for their phones, Ipod, Laptop, etc. These figure does not even involve the happy-slapping that this kids also practise on adults too. Imagine a kid comes up to slap/beat you so that his friends can record it with their phone. Heaven help that kid . . .

End Time is definately near as predicted in the bible - When Nation will rise against Nations - Total decay of moral fabrics

@busy-b
as much as i agree with your solutions to the problem,i think the reasons i said these boys gave are legitimate reasons,with the suicide bombers too is the same scenario,apart from suicide bombing being an ideological thing which doesnt really need any other reason,they have often complained of not having a sense of belonging,their religion being demonised and the medi not helping matters,go to the channell four website and check out the despaches they showed about religion last week weds/thursday and see how the british press often splash utter falsehood/half truths just to paint young moslems in bad light,you know more and more black youths in prison are changing religions to islam now mainly because they see some sort of kinship there and a kind of rebellion against the mainstream christian british society

Wait wait wait

The goverment did not insert Mr Ades kini into Mrs Ades kini therefore Mr and Mrs Ade should take full responsibility of their wayward offspring. Please squash that "CHRISTAIN BRITISH CULTURE" Thats bullshit and you know it. This is not longer a Christain country. Everyone does their own crap nowadays.

lucabrasi:

@busy-b
as much as i agree with your solutions to the problem,i think the reasons i said these boys gave are legitimate reasons,with the suicide bombers too is the same scenario,apart from suicide bombing being an ideological thing which doesnt really need any other reason,they have often complained of not having a sense of belonging,their religion being demonised and the medi not helping matters,go to the channell four website and check out the despaches they showed about religion last week weds/thursday and see how the british press often splash utter falsehood/half truths just to paint young moslems in bad light,you know more and more black youths in prison are changing religions to islam now mainly because they see some sort of kinship there and a kind of rebellion against the mainstream christian british society

Busy Body and Sagamite thank you jare.

We are not talking about senesless beating of children. We are talking about respect and training. Talking to children smacking them explaining life to them. ALL children will misbehave but they must have good grounding or else they end up killing raping and robbing others.

Even now I have to think what will my mother say if she hears this? I dont want to disgrace her because I love and respect her and she dedicated her life to teaching us. I used to dislike her thinking this woman is too wicked jare. Now I thank God I had a good mother like this with no father around she fought to raise three children on her own with no fear. She was determined we would be useful and we ALL are even the 6'3 boys.

I once again Imploy all please do not forget your culture train your child!

Two stabbing last night
One dead_____________[b]Bolton[/b]
One stable but in critical condition____________[b]Perth in Dundee[/b]

LadyT:

Wait wait wait

The goverment did not insert Mr Ades kini into Mrs Ades kini therefore Mr and Mrs Ade should take full responsibility of their wayward offspring. Please squash that "CHRISTAIN BRITISH CULTURE" Thats bullshit and you know it. This is not longer a Christain country. Everyone does their own crap nowadays.

Busy Body and Sagamite thank you jare.

We are not talking about senesless beating of children. We are talking about respect and training. Talking to children smacking them explaining life to them. ALL children will misbehave but they must have good grounding or else they end up killing raping and robbing others.

Even now I have to think what will my mother say if she hears this? I don't want to disgrace her because I love and respect her and she dedicated her life to teaching us. I used to dislike her thinking this woman is too wicked jare. Now I thank God I had a good mother like this with no father around she fought to raise three children on her own with no fear. She was determined we would be useful and we ALL are even the 6'3 boys.

I once again Imploy all please do not forget your culture train your child!

the root causes are way deeper than than just beating and training a child,there are societal issues,social problems caused by government neglect,go back and do some research into the convervative government of john major,margaret tatcher and the hard it did and then look at tony blair's first term and second term and why he caused so much problems ,why do you think more working class,single mothers of all colours are either abstaining from voting or supporting the bnp??

Jakumo:

While the causes of the increased knife and gun incidents in the UK are being debated, the idea of BEATING UP children to make them "better" needs to be consigned to the dustbin of history, and filed under "Sadism".    Beating up kids as done in Nigeria only engenders fear and hatred, but NEVER respect, for authority figures.  The scale of wanton brutality visited on 6 to 16-year old Nigerian students by sadistic and often sexually perverted teachers under the pretext of administering "corporal punishment" is one of the greatest hidden tragedies of Nigerian society, and it is that culture of violence inflicted on children which inures them to shock over the summary street mob lynchings they will witness soon enough.

For one, I am a strong believer in corporal discipline of children. I would not beat up my children, I would smack my children, so I don't know what you are talking about here. I won't inflict or allow another party to inflict violence on my child but I would and would allow, within reason, someone to discipline them. To me it is not Sadism, it is Disciplinism.

That said, there are good points of abuse cases of the right to discipline a child as it happens in Nigeria but that does not mean we should abolish it and destroy society as a whole just for the sake of correcting a few wrongs. The case of throwing out the baby with the dirty water comes to mind. We do that and we might end up with similar attitude of kids in the UK to their parents and teachers.

Your advise to consign corporal punishment to history is exactly the same as those proposed by similar thinkers to you in the UK in the 60s and 70s. What was the result?

A society known worldwide for its high level of discipline, reverence and orderliness of their offsprings pre-banning of corporal punishment turns into a society where offsprings don't listen to parents, abuse policemen and beat up teachers post-banning of corporal punishment. A society where a vast majority of working-class school kids fail in (or don't complete) schooling despite having one of the best educational infrastructure and support system in the world. Whereas offsprings from more disciplined familial background (i.e. Asians, Chinese and Africans) are excelling in the same system and are taking over their economy, lest the top jobs reserved for private schoolled upper-class kids.

They had control over their kids pre-banning of corporal punishment but now they have NO control over their kids post-banning of corporal punishment. And yet they are wondering where they went wrong.

You cannot compare behaviours in an environment where orderliness and wealth exist to behaviours where lack of order and starvation exists. So I doubt it is corporal punishment that is leading to street mob lynching in the third world. I would rather attribute it to lack of education, consistent enforcement of law and respected leadership. Extract these 3 factors from the UK society and I can guarantee you that there would be mob lynching irrespective of the existense of corporal punishment or not.

ow11:

So how has beating up children in Nigeria helped us raise good children. Weren't all the cultists that kill and maim in the universities in Nigeria beaten as children? the robbers, politicians , ND militants, Obasanjo, fake pastors and 419ers? what has not beating children got to do with 18 stabbings in 6 months.How many people die when northern maniacs go on rampage?

I would rather attribute that to lack of consistent enforcement of law and respected leadership.

They smack their kids in Ghana, Togo, Senegal, Zambia, Uganda etc and yet they don't have cults in their universities.

So they don't have armed robbers, corrupt politicians, IRA and fraudsters in the UK?

So how did you link corporal punishment to these human misbehaviours?

lucabrasi:

the root causes are way deeper than than just beating and training a child,there are societal issues,social problems caused by government neglect,go back and do some research into the convervative government of john major,margaret tatcher and the hard it did and then look at tony blair's first term and second term and why he caused so much problems ,why do you think more working class,single mothers of all colours are either abstaining from voting or supporting the bnp??

Lucabrasi, I do agree that there are other societal issues,social problems caused by other parties but I think abolishment of corporal punishment acted as a catalyst to the breakdown of society or facilitated there impact of these other factors on society.

E.g
You won't have as much single mothers if young girls have reverence for their parents views.

Parents now raise up their hands, give up, watch and even force themselves to support when a child insists on a line of action because they have no avenue of changing the child.

A child that has been misbehaving pre-adulthood with the full knowledge of the impunity the law allows him/her at that age would likely develop a habit of misbehaving right into adulthood and find it had to change.

The lack of family structure permeates other key dysfunctionality into society and I would attribute a large proportion of the blame of the breakdown of family structure to the breakdown of disciplines, boundaries and barriers which leads to individuals that live a life of "I want so I MUST have NOW". These is reflected in their high debt culture of spending money they do not have. Before the 80s, the UK was a country of frugal savers and content society, now it is the second most indebted country in Europe. Other factors also feed this change I must admit.

lucabrasi:

@busy-b
as much as i agree with your solutions to the problem,i think the reasons i said these boys gave are legitimate reasons, 

I agree with what you are saying too that mollycuddlying and trying to understand them would work to an extent, but this would not solve the issue with this children.

I beg to differ that this children have legitimate reasons, the only reason they claim is boredom due lack of youth centres. They are old enough to realise that boredom will not get solved by going on a shanking, shooting and killing spree. All it does is give them a temporary high till they find their next victim.

lucabrasi:

. . . with the suicide bombers too is the same scenario,apart from suicide bombing being an ideological thing which doesnt really need any other reason,they have often complained of not having a sense of belonging,their religion being demonised and the media not helping matters,go to the channell four website and check out the despaches they showed about religion last week weds/thursday and see how the british press often splash utter falsehood/half truths just to paint young moslems in bad light,you know more and more black youths in prison are changing religions to islam now mainly because they see some sort of kinship there and a kind of rebellion against the mainstream christian british society

Oh so I guessed you missed the last dispatches programme about "undercover mosque" from the same Channel Four. They discovered that most mosques claiming to be moderate were preaching religious hate and bigotry and extremism with directions from the Grand Mufti of Saudi Arabia and were also preaching Wahabism. The Crown Prosecution Service were recently forced to apologise to Channel Four because they initially accused them of fabricating the programme.

Channel Four is just trying to jump on the band-wagon and are just sh'it stirring like BBC, who just suddenly woke up to realise that Britain is swamped by immigration, and started showing their WHITE BRITAIN is suffering series.

The painful part of this saga is that they are trying to blame immigration for the knife crime, that Britain used to be a safe country where you could leave your door open, . . .

@ Topic,

It will keep getting worse I can say most assuredly.

I remember in my early years of growing, while my father could easily apply the rod of correction on me and my siblings, my dads younger brother when he tried it with his own children in the UK, the girl threatened her father of reporting him to social services if he ever performed such a feat again.

Sometimes I wish Nigeria had such, I do have been spared of those years of cane whooping.

They seem to have gone beyond the point of reasoning and gone to the point of stupidity with the parenting guidelines in the UK.

On sunday after church, I went into a store and a woman was literarily bribing her little daughter with sweets. . . she is a typical British 'good mother'!