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Re: How Can They Be HARAM? Bowing For Elders, Mawlid Nabiyy, Intercession Etc. by kaybyte: 6:19pm On Nov 25, 2013
Al-Baqir:


So, now SUFI are no longer part of Ahlu Sunnah wal Jama'a? Lol.
Chairman. Talk is cheap! Save all those story for the sufis. You see how I analyzed "Salatil Fatih" verse by verse? Kindly prove it to be wrong and walahi I will drop the discussion. Counter all the analysis. Tell me every verse of the durood is against Qur'an and Hadith. I await your responds bro.

Yeah! You talk about everything being in the Qur'an and hadithi Rasul (saws). I like that. Kindly show me where the prophet (saws) approved the following:

1. Addition of "wa ala as-habihi ajma'in" after "Allahuma salli ala Muhammad wa ahlihi"

2. Addition of "As-Salatu khayrun mina Nawm" in the Adhan of salat Fajr

3. Addition of wiping of Ears in the Wudhu. And option of wiping of socks instead of feet in wudhu. Perhaps you wanna take a second look at Q.5:6 not to commit yourselve.

4. Tarawih prayer in congregation

5. What says you on the "Bid'ah" introduced by those sahaba highlighted in this OPs on the headings: "Double standard of this group"

Should you want more, pls ask I will remind you sir.

Before you condemn an act, perhaps you need to check yours first.

I await your responds on the above, Tawassul, Mawlud etc

Salam
you are just talking out of sense. One thing that is wrong with that salatul if you want to know is that it say, the prophet is the opening of what is close contrary to what Allah swa said that the prophet is the seal of all the prophets is this not enough to tell you that the salatu is wrong?
Re: How Can They Be HARAM? Bowing For Elders, Mawlid Nabiyy, Intercession Etc. by AlBaqir(m): 6:33pm On Nov 25, 2013
kaybyte: you are just talking out of sense. One thing that is wrong with that salatul if you want to know is that it say, the prophet is the opening of what is close contrary to what Allah swa said that the prophet is the seal of all the prophets is this not enough to tell you that the salatu is wrong?

Honestly I have come to realize many nairalanders doesn't read. They just scroll through and then make comment. You don't comment on what you haven't read. Such a thing expose your lapses.

You said am talking out of sense! What's the opening of what is seal? Don't you know the door to the prophet-hood was temporarily sealed for 5 century (500years) before the arrival of the holy prophet (saws) signify its opening?
The presence of a prophet signify Rahma (mercy), barakah (blessing). Mankind is devoid of these for a long time. Why is Nabi Muhammad (saws) is being called "an-Nabiyy Rahma (the prophet of mercy)"?

My question is still what's wrong with the wording of salatil Fatih in the light of Qur'an and hadith?

Please I hate abusive talk and it doesn't behove a good muslim to abuse. If you cannot find time to read, pls don't comment lest you commit yourself.

Salam
Re: How Can They Be HARAM? Bowing For Elders, Mawlid Nabiyy, Intercession Etc. by AlBaqir(m): 6:48pm On Nov 25, 2013
kaybyte: you are just talking out of sense. One thing that is wrong with that salatul if you want to know is that it say, the prophet is the opening of what is close contrary to what Allah swa said that the prophet is the seal of all the prophets is this not enough to tell you that the salatu is wrong?

"Call unto the way of your Lord with wisdom and good exhortation, and reason with them in the best way. Lo! Your Lord best knows those who go astray from His path, and He knows best those who are rightly guided."~ Qur'an 16 : 125

"Ask those who remember (knows), if you do not know"~Qur'an.
Re: How Can They Be HARAM? Bowing For Elders, Mawlid Nabiyy, Intercession Etc. by AlBaqir(m): 6:48pm On Nov 25, 2013
kaybyte: you are just talking out of sense. One thing that is wrong with that salatul if you want to know is that it say, the prophet is the opening of what is close contrary to what Allah swa said that the prophet is the seal of all the prophets is this not enough to tell you that the salatu is wrong?

Double post.
Re: How Can They Be HARAM? Bowing For Elders, Mawlid Nabiyy, Intercession Etc. by wosawab: 12:03am On Oct 31, 2014
pls bro Al baqi, let me have ur contact
Re: How Can They Be HARAM? Bowing For Elders, Mawlid Nabiyy, Intercession Etc. by AlBaqir(m): 6:55am On Oct 31, 2014
wosawab:
pls bro Al baqi, let me have ur contact
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Re: How Can They Be HARAM? Bowing For Elders, Mawlid Nabiyy, Intercession Etc. by abdulmaheer(m): 5:07pm On Nov 18, 2014
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Re: How Can They Be HARAM? Bowing For Elders, Mawlid Nabiyy, Intercession Etc. by Fundamentalist: 12:30pm On Nov 19, 2014
abdulmaheer:
Asslm alkm. WALLAH TALLAH DARIQA IS THE RIGHT PATH.

so which of the sufi dharika ( tariqa ) does the prophet belongs to ? Tajjaniyya, qadriyyah, shaziliyyah, neobandi, naskhabandi, badawi, ikhlasiyya, or the many hundreds of sufi orders. they are never the same but share some similar madness (idealogy) all together ?
Re: How Can They Be HARAM? Bowing For Elders, Mawlid Nabiyy, Intercession Etc. by kokomailler(m): 11:06pm On Nov 19, 2014
Wa sharrul Umoori Muhdathaatuhaa, Wa kulla
Bid'atin dhaialah, wa kulla dhalatin fin-naar" Al-
Hadith (Sahih Muslim). ......Translation of the above
Hadith:::: Every innovation is a misguidance and every
misguidance goes to Hell fire......
Re: How Can They Be HARAM? Bowing For Elders, Mawlid Nabiyy, Intercession Etc. by Empiree: 9:50pm On Dec 31, 2014
abdulmaheer, i think from your epistles, it is referring to rigid and literal interpretation of islam in modern time which is prevalent. It does not penetrate Islam. My thought though. And also those clowns waging their bogus j/i0h'a./d and declaring their bogus caliphate.

Spot on Albaqir. I dey ya back grin

As always, maclatunji loves this sentence. He's being saying that since 1960CE grin he loves it

If you leave that which is doubtful altogether, you will not need such an epistle in its defence. Do you have some valid points? Yes.

Does leaving that which is doubtful superceed your valid points? Yes.

That is what we should emphasize.

onegig, on bowing, my understanding of that is every joint used for worship of Allah is not to be used for anyone else. Like women kneel in Yoruba-land. Men lay down. Not necessarily act of worship but act of respect. Allah ordered Angels to bow down to Adam(as) Kahf 50. Bowing is not act of ibaadat to Adam. Overall, i still agree that joints for worship of Allah should preserved for Him only. I just dont think i can hand shake my parents or elders in nigeria. They will tell me "omo komo ni e" lipsrsealed
I remember when i first went to ilorin in the 90s for college, I lied down (semi) before my landlord. He quickly rebuked saying "this is not in our deen". During my stay in ilorin, I noticed that when they greet, they kneel but not all the way. They relax their backyard on ankles while their kneel float.

Maybe Oyinbo greetings are correct NOT NECESSARY .....that invites possibility of germs (transmission). lipsrsealed undecided

Choose your form of greeting......below

Re: How Can They Be HARAM? Bowing For Elders, Mawlid Nabiyy, Intercession Etc. by Sufisunni: 8:29am On Nov 12, 2016
What kind of virus are you spreading. No wonder when we talk of tauhid u people just keep quite because u know that you doctrines are against the sunnah. I didnt waste my precious time to finish reading your virus. By the way its nt sufisunni its sufism. They and shai's to many degrees do shirk. You know what i mean
This got me laughing 'it is not sufisunni but sufism' What do u really know about sunna and sufism? I guess u r busy with terrorism recipes from ur........! Do u have the utter right to tell me what am I? Nope! Sufism was built on the sunnatic tradition of our noble prophet(SAW). By the way, I am not the type that is moved by any group's name but its content of works. Do u in ur wildest imagination think Bokoharam the military wing of Wahabbis and Salafis r on the right path coz they called themselves Ahl-e- sunna wa Jama? lol

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Re: How Can They Be HARAM? Bowing For Elders, Mawlid Nabiyy, Intercession Etc. by yazeedjay(m): 4:25pm On Jul 25, 2017
Below are some points I researched in order to cater points you listed about Bowing in Greeting, Bidi’ah, Intercession, and Shirk.
Allah (SWT) has perfect and complete His religion, Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) has done his Job and His Sahabah they have done theirs too. Therefore, we will not bring something new into religion and expect good reward (Allah forbid).

BIDI’AH IN ISLAM
There is nothing in our religion that is known as a “good innovation” because the word innovation (bid`ah) in Islamic discourse means to introduce into the religion something that is alien to it. On the other hand, there is such a thing as a “good Sunnah” as mentioned in a hadîth that can be found in Sahîh Muslim.

Jarîr narrates:
Some desert Arabs clad in woolen clothes came to the Prophet (peace be upon him). He saw them in a sad plight as they had been in dire need. He exhorted the people to give charity, but they showed some reluctance until (signs) of anger could be seen on his face. Then a person from the Ansâr came with a purse full of silver. Then another person came forth and then others followed suit until signs of happiness could be seen on his face.

Thereupon the Prophet (peace be upon him) said: “Whoever starts in Islam a good practice (sunnah hasanah) and is emulated by others in doing so will get the reward of it and the reward of all those who act upon it without their rewards being diminished in any respect. And whosoever starts in Islam an evil practice (sunnah sayyi’ah) and is emulated by others will bear the sin of it and the sin of all those who act on it without their burden being diminished in the least. [Sahîh Muslim: (1017)]
This is talking about the person who takes the initiative to do something that complies with Islamic teachings. Whoever does this will be engaging in a good Sunnah.

This is not referring to any sort of innovation. An innovation can never be good, because it is, by definition, something that contradicts with the religion. An innovation is something that neither the Prophet (peace be upon him) did nor the people who followed him.

Therefore, innovations would include observing the celebration of the Prophet’s birthday or engaging in special observances on the occasion of his night journey and ascension (al-isrâ’ wa al-mi`râj).
May Allah guide us all.
The Prophet (peace be upon him) said: “Whoever starts in Islam a good practice (sunnah hasanah) and is emulated by others in doing so will get the reward of it and the reward of all those who act upon it without their rewards being diminished in any respect. And whosoever starts in Islam an evil practice (sunnah sayyi’ah) and is emulated by others will bear the sin of it and the sin of all those who act on it without their burden being diminished in the least. [Sahîh Muslim: (1017)]

A Muslim is obligated to preserve and uphold the Sunnah of the Prophet (peace be upon him) and to eschew innovations.

The meaning of “good Sunnah” in this hadîth – and Allah knows best – is to renew a Sunnah of our Prophet (peace be upon him) that has disappeared, been forgotten, or has become neglected.
It does not mean to initiate a new practice that has no basis in Islamic teachings. That would be an innovation.

The Prophet (peace be upon him) said: “Whoever innovates something in this matter of ours that is not part of it, then it will be rejected.” [Sahîh al-Bukhârî and Sahîh Muslim]
And Allah knows best.

Let us come back to the issue of WASEELA OR TAWASSUL IN ARABIC.
The Quranic term Waseela can be defined in one word as “means”. As per the Islamic understanding, this (waseela) is an action or practice through which a Muslim seeks nearness to Allah. In the modern (especially the South Asian) world, people have taken the word waseela to mean something completely contradictory to the Quranic understanding of it. In laymen language, waseela can be defined as “a path to contact Allah or a means through which one’s dua is accepted quickly”. Unfortunately many have misunderstood and misinterpreted this definition in a way which the shari’ah doesn’t allow. We will be discussing this in brief.
Types of Waseela according to the Islamic understanding.
They can be broadly classified into two types :–
Correct/permissible Islamic Waseela
Incorrect/impermissible Islamic Waseela
PERMISSIBLE WASEELA – IN BRIEF
This means seeking to draw close to Allah through acts of worship which He loves and which pleases Him; these may be waajib (obligatory) or mustahabb (encouraged) and may take the form of words, actions or beliefs. These forms are studied and derived from the Quran, Sunnah and religious practices of the righteous predecessors [1st three generations which include the companions of the Prophet (peace be upon him), taba’een (students of the companions) and taba’ taba’een (students of the taba’een)].
Some types of permissible waseela are as follows:
1. Seeking to draw close to Allah by means of His names and attributes

Allah says (interpretation of the meaning): “And (all) the most beautiful names belong to Allah, so call on Him by them” [Quran 7:180]. So when a person makes duaa’ to Allah, he begins by praising and calling on Allah with the name that is most apt and praiseworthy, such as “Al-Rahmaan” (the Most Merciful) when seeking mercy and ‘’Al-Ghafoor’’ (the All-Forgiving) when asking for forgiveness etc.
2. Seeking to draw close to Allah by means of faith and Tawheed.

A powerful dua from the Quran helps us understand this category. “Our Lord! We have indeed believed: forgive us then our sins and save us from the agony of the fire.” [Quran 3:16]. There are similar duas from the ahadith also.
3. Seeking to draw close to Allah through righteous deeds
• This is where a person asks Allah by the virtue of the best deeds that he has done, such as salaah, fasting, reading Quran, avoiding haraam things and so on. An example of this is the sahih hadeeth narrated in the Books ‘Sahih Bukhari’ & ‘Sahih Muslim [Ref: Sahih Bukhair, Vol. 3 Book 36, Hadith no. 472]’ about the three people who entered a cave, and a rock fell and blocked their way out. They asked Allah by the virtue of their best deeds (to save them).
• A person may also ask Allah by virtue of his total dependency upon Him, as Allah mentions in the Quran (interpretation of the meaning): “[Ayyoob said:] ‘Verily, distress has seized me, and you are the Most Merciful of those who show mercy.’ [Al-Anbiya’ 21:83]
• A person may also ask Allah by admitting his own wrongdoing and his need for Allah, as Yoonus is described as saying: ‘None has the right to be worshipped except you (O Allah). Glorified (and exalted) are you. Truly I have been of the wrong-doers.’” [al-Anbiya’ 21:87]
The rulings on correct tawassul vary according to its type. Some types are waajib, such as seeking to draw close to Allah through His names and attributes and through Tawheed (believing in His absolute Oneness), and some are mustahabb, such as seeking to draw close to Him by virtue of all kinds of righteous deeds.

4. Seeking to get your dua accepted by sending blessings upon the Prophet (peace be upon him)
• Whenever a Muslim makes dua, it is necessary for him to first prase his Lord, then send blessings upon the prophet (peace be upon him) and then make his dua. The blessings ( for e.g durood e Ibrahim) sent upon the prophet is also considered to be a waseela for our duas to reach Allah and this is supported by various authentic Ahadith which state that Umar (RA) narrated that the Prophet (peace be upon him) said: ‘Du’a is detained between the heavens and the earth and no part of it is taken up until you send blessings upon Prophet (peace be upon him)’ [Al-Tirmidhi #486]
5. Seeking to approach Allah by asking someone pious (whose Alive) to pray for you (while he is alive)
• Another permissible form of waseela is by asking someone who is a righteous or pious person. One may request that person to invoke Allah for him and pray for him. This is supported by various ahadith and Quranic verses as well.

IMPERMISSIBLE WASEELA
This is the attempt to draw close to Allah by means of things that He does not like and that do not please Him, and it is not supported by the teachings of our beloved Messenger (peace be upon him) and neither is it supported by the practices of the greatest of Muslims – the companions (sahabah) of the Messenger (peace be upon him).
These could be practices or actions whether they are words, deeds or beliefs. This particular context has a lot of subdivisions and examples to quote and explain but however one such example of this is trying to draw close to Allah by calling on for help to those beside Allah or using intermediaries who are absent from this world or to invoke someone other than Allah is considered a form of association (Shirk) with Him, which is against the principles of tawheed and takes a person out of the fold of Islam. The venue, place and methodology may differ in this type, however the concept of calling or seeking help via or from the absent remains the same.
Calling upon someone, whether it is for a purpose such as asking Him to grant some benefit or to ward off some harm, or as an act of worship to express humility and submission before Him, can only be addressed directly to Allah. If duaas or prayers are addressed to anything or anyone else, that would amount to shirk.

CONCLUSION
Alhamdulillah Alladhi Ahadana wabil Iman. So far by the will of Allah SWT we are able to at least look and cite the relevant Ahadiths and Ayats from our glorious Qur’an that make the issue of bid’ah, shirk, waseelah or tawassil (intercession in English) clear ( Allah knows best) with full references so that anyone that is ready to understand will definitely understand without hesitation. (Whom Allah guides, there is none that can lead him astray and whom Allah misguides, there’s none that can guide him).
Subhaanaka Allaahuma wabihamdika Ash-haddu an laahillaaha illa anta astaghfiruka wa atuubilayk.
Re: How Can They Be HARAM? Bowing For Elders, Mawlid Nabiyy, Intercession Etc. by yazeedjay(m): 4:28pm On Jul 25, 2017
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Re: How Can They Be HARAM? Bowing For Elders, Mawlid Nabiyy, Intercession Etc. by Empiree: 5:03pm On Jul 25, 2017
^^

I usually dont have the need to read copy paste that is not readable. It is not even spaced out undecided
Re: How Can They Be HARAM? Bowing For Elders, Mawlid Nabiyy, Intercession Etc. by AlBaqir(m): 8:13pm On Jul 25, 2017
Empiree:
^^

I usually dont have the need to read copy paste that is not readable. It is not even spaced out undecided

grin I think say Na only me mi ni sha. Very funny. Nigerian and plagiarism.

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