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Re: Angola’s Chinese-built Ghost Town – A New Phenomenon In Africa - BBC by biafranqueen: 9:26am On Nov 24, 2013
iterator25: There's a similar project in Lagos undecided



Nice one! Where is this in Lagos any link you can post?
Re: Angola’s Chinese-built Ghost Town – A New Phenomenon In Africa - BBC by iterator25: 9:26am On Nov 24, 2013
naptu2:

Don't hate the country. Hate the people that made it the way it is today and those that seek to continue the madness.
guy! you never sell this nissan
Re: Angola’s Chinese-built Ghost Town – A New Phenomenon In Africa - BBC by abubaka101: 9:29am On Nov 24, 2013
biafranqueen: They have to start with investors coming into the area to build industries and create jobs so people can be self reliant Africa needs Trade not Aid. Those flats are almost all rented to capacity that is old news almost two years stale!
http://www.portalangop.co.ao/angola/en_us/noticias/sociedade/2013/8/36/Kilamba-City-flats-sold-out,9a874ce7-f6fa-4f25-b35a-9d888d4c07d4.html this project is affordable you have 10 to 30 years to pay it off. So far 70,000 people are in so they have started finishing phase two.
Obviously most African nations have been "stupified" to believe that they can't survive without foreign "Aids"... Plus most African nation believe in "poverty eradication or reduction", propagated by the West. But none of these can make a nation progress.
Investment in infrastructure and other sectors, and reduction in poverty eradication programmes help to portray a nation as one that wants to be economically productive!

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Re: Angola’s Chinese-built Ghost Town – A New Phenomenon In Africa - BBC by naptu2: 9:30am On Nov 24, 2013
iterator25: There's a similar project in Lagos undecided

To the south: Eko Atlantic City.
To the west: Badagry Energy and Business City
To the east: Lekki Phase 2

To the north: (I've heard of developments going on in Ikorodu, but I don't know enough about it).

The centre (this might give us an idea of how the others would turn out) : Banana Island (an artificial island)
Re: Angola’s Chinese-built Ghost Town – A New Phenomenon In Africa - BBC by Nobody: 9:31am On Nov 24, 2013
Does anyone still listen to BBC reports on Africa? shocked

Anyone doing so must be really jobless. The BBC are just a propaganda machine, not a proper news agency.

Meanwhile, congrats to the Angolans on their clearly progressive trajectory in recent years.
Re: Angola’s Chinese-built Ghost Town – A New Phenomenon In Africa - BBC by naptu2: 9:42am On Nov 24, 2013
Re: Angola’s Chinese-built Ghost Town – A New Phenomenon In Africa - BBC by naptu2: 9:44am On Nov 24, 2013
LAGOS ENERGY CITY, BADAGRY.

Lagos Energy City is being conceived as Africa's first fully integrated business and residential center for Oil and Gas Industry, providing world class office facilities executive residences, schools, sports club, medical facilities and retail centers.

The energy efficient designs for infrastructure and utilities as well as each residential unit will be environmentally friendly as it is being designed under the Green Integrated Utility System model.

Located 50 km west of Lagos, Nigeria in Badagry, the Energy City will be the bench mark for New Community development. The ten lanes Lagos-Semi Highway linking Lagos to the Republic of Benin divides the 760 hectare land into two separate sites.


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Re: Angola’s Chinese-built Ghost Town – A New Phenomenon In Africa - BBC by drnoel: 9:47am On Nov 24, 2013
ujoinme: Should we be building such in Nigeria? Something tell me that projects like this in Nigeria will be a success what do you think?
I completely agree but depends on where in Nigeria it is built
Re: Angola’s Chinese-built Ghost Town – A New Phenomenon In Africa - BBC by naptu2: 9:49am On Nov 24, 2013
I took a look at the link, remembered the anti-spam bot and decided not to post it.

LAGOS ENERGY CITY (PORT & REFINERY)

Lagos, Nigeria – APM Terminals and its consortium partners have announced plans to develop a new greenfield mega-port project and Free Trade Zone at Badagry in Nigeria’s Lagos State, 55 km (34 miles) west of Apapa and the Port of Lagos on the Benin-Lagos Expressway.

At full build-out, the deep-water full-service port will be one of the largest in Africa with 7 km of quay and 1,000 hectares (2,470 acres) of dedicated yard, and will include state-of the art facilities for container, bulk, liquid bulk, Ro/Ro and general cargo as well as oil and gas operations support and a barge terminal. Plans for the adjoining Badagry Free Trade Zone will include a power plant, oil refinery, industrial park and warehousing and Inland Container Deport functions. The first phase of the project is scheduled to open in 2016.


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Re: Angola’s Chinese-built Ghost Town – A New Phenomenon In Africa - BBC by biafranqueen: 9:50am On Nov 24, 2013
abubaka101:
Obviously most African nations have been "stupified" to believe that they can't survive without foreign "Aids"... Plus most African nation believe in "poverty eradication or reduction", propagated by the West. But none of these can make a nation progress.
Investment in infrastructure and other sectors, and reduction in poverty eradication programmes help to portray a nation as one that wants to be economically productive!
I agree with you 100 %
Re: Angola’s Chinese-built Ghost Town – A New Phenomenon In Africa - BBC by Nobody: 10:22am On Nov 24, 2013
These developments you are pointing out are more of expansion of already existing towns within lagos,with addition of business districts than building of new cities.They are not exactly new cities.Lagos is already built up with little room for expansion.

The question is will cities built from scratch in nigeria be successful or will they end up as ghost towns?
naptu2:

To the south: Eko Atlantic City.
To the west: Badagry Energy and Business City
To the east: Lekki Phase 2

To the north: (I've heard of developments going on in Ikorodu, but I don't know enough about it).

The centre (this might give us an idea of how the others would turn out) : Banana Island (an artificial island)
Re: Angola’s Chinese-built Ghost Town – A New Phenomenon In Africa - BBC by naptu2: 10:34am On Nov 24, 2013

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AsyFKPfbJT8

Eko Atlantic is not new?

Abuja is not new?

Banana Island is not new?

Remember that the Angolan city is only 30km outside Luanda, while the Badagry Energy City is 50km west of Lagos.
Re: Angola’s Chinese-built Ghost Town – A New Phenomenon In Africa - BBC by duni04(m): 10:40am On Nov 24, 2013
Symphony007: African are really insecure and easily confused people. Every poster is busy blasting "foreign media" and ignoring the substance of what they are saying. Are luxury apartments and condo's the most salient things africa need now? How much do those condo's cost? What's the poverty level in angola? Who can afford it? Why can't the government direct investments or partnership to more salient areas like education, food, water, safety nets, low cost housing for the poverty stricken multitude. Blacks have just conditioned their demeanor to look upon themeselves as victims, so whenever stuff is said about you, you attack the foreign media.
Don't mind these silly conspiracy theorists. They've failed 2 see d substance behind the article. Angola is a poor country but is resource rich. Its very easy for d government in luanda to make oil for infrastructure deals with power hungry asian countries so really its no special credit to the angolan government. The question is whether this is what angolans need now. Its akin to throwing Pizza at a baby who barely has any teeth. Nobody can afford to live in these houses, except angola intends to run a socialist system and make them free.
Re: Angola’s Chinese-built Ghost Town – A New Phenomenon In Africa - BBC by iterator25: 10:45am On Nov 24, 2013
naptu2:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AsyFKPfbJT8

Eko Atlantic is not new?

Abuja is not new?

Banana Island is not new?

Remember that the Angolan city is only 30km outside Luanda, while the Badagry Energy City is 50km west of Lagos.
nice
Re: Angola’s Chinese-built Ghost Town – A New Phenomenon In Africa - BBC by duni04(m): 10:47am On Nov 24, 2013
abubaka101:
Obviously most African nations have been "stupified" to believe that they can't survive without foreign "Aids"... Plus most African nation believe in "poverty eradication or reduction", propagated by the West. But none of these can make a nation progress.
Investment in infrastructure and other sectors, and reduction in poverty eradication programmes help to portray a nation as one that wants to be economically productive!
Really? Reminds me of the argument between the chinese model of economic prosperity and the indian model. From the days of food rationing and farmine in the 60's and 70's, china has been able to reduce poverty and improve its stats in other key HDI areas unlike india and countries like Nigeria with massive poverty but which continue to build castles in d sky without facing key developmental areas. There is no such thing as a western myth of poverty.
Re: Angola’s Chinese-built Ghost Town – A New Phenomenon In Africa - BBC by naptu2: 10:56am On Nov 24, 2013
From wikipedia.

BANANA ISLAND.

Banana Island is an artificial island in Lagos State, Nigeria. It is located in the Lagos Lagoon and attached to the North-Eastern Ikoyi Island by a dedicated road strip which is linked to the existing road network. The original Banana Island construction project entitled Lagoon City was the brainchild of the Late Chief Adebayo Adeleke, a University of London trained Civil Engineer (MICE), and CEO of City Property Development Ltd. Chief Adebayo Adeleke had originally commissioned a new urban development in Maroko, Victoria Island, but that project had been 'acquired' by the Lagos State government with no financial consideration paid. Following a lengthy 10 year court case, Lagos State government offered other parcels of land as consideration for the Maroko development.

Many scoffed at Chief Adeleke's decision to select the Ikoyi Island perimeter, however they were unable to appreciate the foresight of the Chief, who promptly engaged the Westminster Dredging Company to dredge the foreshore, and create six interlinked and symmetrical islands. Chief Adeleke was an exceptional Nigerian visionary and philanthropist, unconcerned with the usual wealth acquisition of many of his contemporaries. He wanted to create a development that would "Make Nigeria Proud", and engaged Minoru Yamasaki the architect of Manhattan's Twin Towers, to design replica twin towers as the flagship iconic buildings on the main island.

To complete the Lagoon City concept, Chief Adeleke planned an aesthetic design including a City Airport, which was a vision conceived long before the London Docklands Development, London City Airport, Dubai's Palm Islands or Hong Kong's Chek Lap Kok Airport.

Unfortunately for the Chief, as soon as he had reclaimed the land and the brilliance of the idea was unveiled, others were determined to wrestle the land from him, and the project was 'acquired' again with no consideration being paid to City Property Development Limited. The 'acquisition' is currently being challenged in various courts, and there are Caveat Emptor warnings in place to warn prospective buyers that their investment could be at risk in future. There is also litigation pending in the UK and European courts regarding this matter.

The subsequent developers were principally interested in maximising the yield of the land at the expense of the aesthetic innovative design foreseen by Chief Adebayo Adeleke. Consequently the land was filled in to create a banana shaped island, which has resolutely failed to achieve any international iconic architectural acclaim.

However, Banana Island has the highest rent rate and sales proposal amount in Nigeria. Mike Adenuga and Iyabo Obasanjo are two examples of some of the most prominent members of Nigerian high society who call Banana Island home. It was constructed by HiTech, the construction arm of the Chagoury Group and is a joint venture with the Nigerian Federal Ministry of Works and Housing.[1][2]

The banana-shaped Island is approximately 1,630,000 square metres in size (less than a square mile) and is divided into 536 plots (of between 1000 and 4000 square metres in size) mainly arranged along cul-de-sacs, so designed to enhance the historically residential nature of Ikoyi.[1] Residents are provided world class utilities including underground electrical systems (versus the overhead cabling common throughout Lagos), an underground water supply network, a central sewage system and treatment plant, and street lighting and satellite telecommunications networks.[3]

The Island had been planned in two phases: The Commercial side, which would cater for businesses, offices, multi - purpose dwellings, shops and other commercial venture capital projects. The other side of the Island is purely residential, whereby dwellings cannot go over 3 storeys high.

The developers also intend to develop a main piazza, a club-house, a primary and secondary school, a fire and police station and a medical clinic. They are also negotiating to build a 5-star hotel on the island, along with an array of smaller Guest Houses. Banana Island is also the location of the headquarters of Etisalat Telecoms company and Telemedical giant Rich and Poor Enterprises Medical owned by Dr Ade O. Adewuya. There are many other unknown entrepreneurs who also contributing to the development with magnifcent buildings and on the commercial side, they have several large offices offering employment.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banana_Island
Re: Angola’s Chinese-built Ghost Town – A New Phenomenon In Africa - BBC by Abagworo(m): 11:08am On Nov 24, 2013
The major point I just noted is that 750 highrises were built in 3years. Nigerian contractors are very heartless and wicked.
Re: Angola’s Chinese-built Ghost Town – A New Phenomenon In Africa - BBC by aljharem(m): 11:13am On Nov 24, 2013
ba7man: Pls, don't call the West in all this and face the issue on ground. They are only reporting what they see.

For now, the project is a failure because the targeted market can't afford it.....thus rendering it a Ghost city.

If it was in Lagos or Port-Harcourt, it would have been sold out before completion.

We need the clearing out of those locations in Mushin, Oshodi, Ketu etc and replace them with buildings like this.

Former land owners will be entitled to a unit and the rest sold.

Way forward for Lagos urban renewal.

gbammmmmmm well said
Re: Angola’s Chinese-built Ghost Town – A New Phenomenon In Africa - BBC by Abagworo(m): 11:17am On Nov 24, 2013
We also have such projects in Port-Harcout by the way. My major problem is the snail speed of construction in Nigeria.

Re: Angola’s Chinese-built Ghost Town – A New Phenomenon In Africa - BBC by aljharem(m): 11:20am On Nov 24, 2013
this project is SURE to be a major success in Lagos, Warri, PH, Onitsha and Ibadan. This I know
Re: Angola’s Chinese-built Ghost Town – A New Phenomenon In Africa - BBC by aljharem(m): 11:20am On Nov 24, 2013
Abagworo: We also have such projects in Port-Harcout by the way. My major problem is the snail speed of construction in Nigeria.

Who are the people building it ? Also is it government or private ?
Re: Angola’s Chinese-built Ghost Town – A New Phenomenon In Africa - BBC by iterator25: 11:23am On Nov 24, 2013
Abagworo: We also have such projects in Port-Harcout by the way. My major problem is the snail speed of construction in Nigeria.
compare the projects in lagos and port-harcout with the angolian version, what do you observe? (Be honest )
Re: Angola’s Chinese-built Ghost Town – A New Phenomenon In Africa - BBC by Abagworo(m): 11:33am On Nov 24, 2013
iterator25: compare the projects in lagos and port-harcout with the angolian version, what do you observe? (Be honest )

All I can say is that Nigerian contractors are wicked or our Government officials are wicked. That beautiful Niger bridge at Onitsha was started and completed in less than 8months in 1965 but the 2nd bridge has been at planning stage for more than 3years.
Re: Angola’s Chinese-built Ghost Town – A New Phenomenon In Africa - BBC by Nobody: 12:05pm On Nov 24, 2013
naptu2:

Don't hate the country. Hate the people that made it the way it is today and those that seek to continue the madness.
very true, but everyone is responsible, the elites, the gullible followers and maybe the imf and Co.
Re: Angola’s Chinese-built Ghost Town – A New Phenomenon In Africa - BBC by HopeAtHand: 12:10pm On Nov 24, 2013
It definitely sounds lyk a gud idea if these housing projects are carried out in Nigeria, infact overtime ive doubted if we rily have a federal ministry of housing considering the difficulties Nigerians go through to secure decent accomodations in various cities in the country..
If our govt is responsive to the plight of its citizens it wouldnt hesitate to build such towns.That being said, it will be an indictment on our engineers if the Chinese would come all the way to build houses for us..

I dnt want to believe we need the chinese for 8-11 storey buildings else we arent ready to improve as a country.
Re: Angola’s Chinese-built Ghost Town – A New Phenomenon In Africa - BBC by MagicBishop: 12:29pm On Nov 24, 2013
Hope.At.Hand:
It definitely sounds lyk a gud idea if these housing projects are carried out in Nigeria, infact overtime ive doubted if we rily have a federal ministry of housing considering the difficulties Nigerians go through to secure decent accomodations in various cities in the country..
If our govt is responsive to the plight of its citizens it wouldnt hesitate to build such towns.That being said, it will be an indictment on our engineers if the Chinese would come all the way to build houses for us..

I dnt want to believe we need the chinese for 8-11 storey buildings else we arent ready to improve as a country.

The biggest obstacle is not the FG but the governors.

Outside, Abuja and GRA and Industrial layouts in other states a vast majority of landed property is not tittled. The governors act as landlords and their much required signatures for collecting a 'C of O' attracts a fee termed governors signature fee that is hardly approved.
The FG is too distant to be constructing housing units in Dammaturu for instance.

Under OBJ, el Rufai opted for the private sector in developing housing units. This made some sense from the stand point that infrastructure such as roads, lightning and water supply was the responsibility of the property developer but the problem was the high flexible interest rates being charged by banks that make it stupid to purchase any of these units.
Another fraud that exist in the housing sector is that only property developers can access federal mortgage and housing loans. The property developers get cheap land from the FG and very low interest rates gotten from civil servant monthly housing scheme deductions. The property developers naturally divert these monies into other ventures or just keep it on fixed deposit in one of the banks and get a higher return on interest payments. If they do commence any project, the buildings are usually substandard or unfinished and the infrastructure such as roads, electricity and water are either non-existing or not sufficient.

These are the few reason preventing any serious investor in developing and investing in the huge housing deficit.
Re: Angola’s Chinese-built Ghost Town – A New Phenomenon In Africa - BBC by Asiwaju9ja(m): 12:41pm On Nov 24, 2013
Nigerian Leaders, God is watching You!
Re: Angola’s Chinese-built Ghost Town – A New Phenomenon In Africa - BBC by naptu2: 12:58pm On Nov 24, 2013
Now, to the question of ghost towns. The question is, why should people move to the new city? What would attract them to. The new city? Cost of houses is an issue, but it is not the only issue. The problem of costs can be overcome if there is sufficient attraction to the city.

1) In the case of Abuja, it was the Federal Government. Civil servants and businessmen that had dealings with the FG had to bear the cost or find a way around it. The FG also built official quarters for some civil servants and politicians. Others, who were attracted by the initial population influx, came later.

2) In the case of the Badagry Energy City, it is the refinery and port. Oil workers, workers at the port, etc will need residences that are close to their offices. Others, who would be attracted by the initial population influx, will come later.

3) In the case of Lekki Phase 2, it is the refinery, airport, seaport and free trade zone.

4) In the case of Banana Island, it was initially the idea of an exclusive area with very good infrastructure. Airtel, Etisalat and others have also set up their head offices on the island.

5) In the case of Eko Atlantic City, they hope to attract major national and international companies and encourage them to set up their head offices there.
Re: Angola’s Chinese-built Ghost Town – A New Phenomenon In Africa - BBC by youngmonie: 1:56pm On Nov 24, 2013
People not better be fooling themselves. Firstly these are private investors and not government building those houses hence they want returns on it.....those pics you put up on Nigeria, how many people can afford, the a very tiny percentage of the lagos population. Same goes to the ones in Angola a large percentage of the populace cannot afford them, they were mostly built for expats who were working in the oil industry in Angola
Re: Angola’s Chinese-built Ghost Town – A New Phenomenon In Africa - BBC by Nobody: 2:08pm On Nov 24, 2013
Symphony007: African are really insecure and easily confused people. Every poster is busy blasting "foreign media" and ignoring the substance of what they are saying. Are luxury apartments and condo's the most salient things africa need now? How much do those condo's cost? What's the poverty level in angola? Who can afford it? Why can't the government direct investments or partnership to more salient areas like education, food, water, safety nets, low cost housing for the poverty stricken multitude. Blacks have just conditioned their demeanor to look upon themeselves as victims, so whenever stuff is said about you, you attack the foreign media.

You've done research and confirmed that the Angolan government isn't doing those things?
Re: Angola’s Chinese-built Ghost Town – A New Phenomenon In Africa - BBC by bloggernaija: 2:42pm On Nov 24, 2013
This article is very old.
AT LEAST,ANGOLA IS BUILDING GHOST TOWNS.
NIGERIA HAS GHOST CONTRACTS , GHOST BUDGETS AND GHOST ECA
Re: Angola’s Chinese-built Ghost Town – A New Phenomenon In Africa - BBC by citizenY(m): 3:31pm On Nov 24, 2013

HOW I WISH ALL THOSE STEALING OUR MONEY WILL USE IT TO BUILD GHOST TOWNS, AT LEAST THE MONEY WILL NOT TURN INTO
ASHES, BUYING JETS AND ROLEX AND FINE CHAMPAGNE
shocked

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