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Re: Angola’s Chinese-built Ghost Town – A New Phenomenon In Africa - BBC by biafranqueen: 9:26am On Nov 24, 2013 |
iterator25: There's a similar project in LagosNice one! Where is this in Lagos any link you can post? |
Re: Angola’s Chinese-built Ghost Town – A New Phenomenon In Africa - BBC by iterator25: 9:26am On Nov 24, 2013 |
naptu2:guy! you never sell this nissan |
Re: Angola’s Chinese-built Ghost Town – A New Phenomenon In Africa - BBC by abubaka101: 9:29am On Nov 24, 2013 |
biafranqueen: They have to start with investors coming into the area to build industries and create jobs so people can be self reliant Africa needs Trade not Aid. Those flats are almost all rented to capacity that is old news almost two years stale!Obviously most African nations have been "stupified" to believe that they can't survive without foreign "Aids"... Plus most African nation believe in "poverty eradication or reduction", propagated by the West. But none of these can make a nation progress. Investment in infrastructure and other sectors, and reduction in poverty eradication programmes help to portray a nation as one that wants to be economically productive! 2 Likes |
Re: Angola’s Chinese-built Ghost Town – A New Phenomenon In Africa - BBC by naptu2: 9:30am On Nov 24, 2013 |
iterator25: There's a similar project in Lagos To the south: Eko Atlantic City. To the west: Badagry Energy and Business City To the east: Lekki Phase 2 To the north: (I've heard of developments going on in Ikorodu, but I don't know enough about it). The centre (this might give us an idea of how the others would turn out) : Banana Island (an artificial island) |
Re: Angola’s Chinese-built Ghost Town – A New Phenomenon In Africa - BBC by Nobody: 9:31am On Nov 24, 2013 |
Does anyone still listen to BBC reports on Africa? Anyone doing so must be really jobless. The BBC are just a propaganda machine, not a proper news agency. Meanwhile, congrats to the Angolans on their clearly progressive trajectory in recent years. |
Re: Angola’s Chinese-built Ghost Town – A New Phenomenon In Africa - BBC by naptu2: 9:42am On Nov 24, 2013 |
Re: Angola’s Chinese-built Ghost Town – A New Phenomenon In Africa - BBC by naptu2: 9:44am On Nov 24, 2013 |
LAGOS ENERGY CITY, BADAGRY. 1 Like
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Re: Angola’s Chinese-built Ghost Town – A New Phenomenon In Africa - BBC by drnoel: 9:47am On Nov 24, 2013 |
ujoinme: Should we be building such in Nigeria? Something tell me that projects like this in Nigeria will be a success what do you think?I completely agree but depends on where in Nigeria it is built |
Re: Angola’s Chinese-built Ghost Town – A New Phenomenon In Africa - BBC by naptu2: 9:49am On Nov 24, 2013 |
I took a look at the link, remembered the anti-spam bot and decided not to post it. LAGOS ENERGY CITY (PORT & REFINERY) Prediction: The strange creature with the long name, or its alternate moniker with the hyphenated name, will soon arrive to spam and derail this thread. |
Re: Angola’s Chinese-built Ghost Town – A New Phenomenon In Africa - BBC by biafranqueen: 9:50am On Nov 24, 2013 |
abubaka101:I agree with you 100 % |
Re: Angola’s Chinese-built Ghost Town – A New Phenomenon In Africa - BBC by Nobody: 10:22am On Nov 24, 2013 |
These developments you are pointing out are more of expansion of already existing towns within lagos,with addition of business districts than building of new cities.They are not exactly new cities.Lagos is already built up with little room for expansion. The question is will cities built from scratch in nigeria be successful or will they end up as ghost towns? naptu2: |
Re: Angola’s Chinese-built Ghost Town – A New Phenomenon In Africa - BBC by naptu2: 10:34am On Nov 24, 2013 |
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AsyFKPfbJT8 Eko Atlantic is not new? Abuja is not new? Banana Island is not new? Remember that the Angolan city is only 30km outside Luanda, while the Badagry Energy City is 50km west of Lagos. |
Re: Angola’s Chinese-built Ghost Town – A New Phenomenon In Africa - BBC by duni04(m): 10:40am On Nov 24, 2013 |
Symphony007: African are really insecure and easily confused people. Every poster is busy blasting "foreign media" and ignoring the substance of what they are saying. Are luxury apartments and condo's the most salient things africa need now? How much do those condo's cost? What's the poverty level in angola? Who can afford it? Why can't the government direct investments or partnership to more salient areas like education, food, water, safety nets, low cost housing for the poverty stricken multitude. Blacks have just conditioned their demeanor to look upon themeselves as victims, so whenever stuff is said about you, you attack the foreign media.Don't mind these silly conspiracy theorists. They've failed 2 see d substance behind the article. Angola is a poor country but is resource rich. Its very easy for d government in luanda to make oil for infrastructure deals with power hungry asian countries so really its no special credit to the angolan government. The question is whether this is what angolans need now. Its akin to throwing Pizza at a baby who barely has any teeth. Nobody can afford to live in these houses, except angola intends to run a socialist system and make them free. |
Re: Angola’s Chinese-built Ghost Town – A New Phenomenon In Africa - BBC by iterator25: 10:45am On Nov 24, 2013 |
naptu2:nice |
Re: Angola’s Chinese-built Ghost Town – A New Phenomenon In Africa - BBC by duni04(m): 10:47am On Nov 24, 2013 |
abubaka101:Really? Reminds me of the argument between the chinese model of economic prosperity and the indian model. From the days of food rationing and farmine in the 60's and 70's, china has been able to reduce poverty and improve its stats in other key HDI areas unlike india and countries like Nigeria with massive poverty but which continue to build castles in d sky without facing key developmental areas. There is no such thing as a western myth of poverty. |
Re: Angola’s Chinese-built Ghost Town – A New Phenomenon In Africa - BBC by naptu2: 10:56am On Nov 24, 2013 |
From wikipedia. BANANA ISLAND. Banana Island is an artificial island in Lagos State, Nigeria. It is located in the Lagos Lagoon and attached to the North-Eastern Ikoyi Island by a dedicated road strip which is linked to the existing road network. The original Banana Island construction project entitled Lagoon City was the brainchild of the Late Chief Adebayo Adeleke, a University of London trained Civil Engineer (MICE), and CEO of City Property Development Ltd. Chief Adebayo Adeleke had originally commissioned a new urban development in Maroko, Victoria Island, but that project had been 'acquired' by the Lagos State government with no financial consideration paid. Following a lengthy 10 year court case, Lagos State government offered other parcels of land as consideration for the Maroko development. http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banana_Island |
Re: Angola’s Chinese-built Ghost Town – A New Phenomenon In Africa - BBC by Abagworo(m): 11:08am On Nov 24, 2013 |
The major point I just noted is that 750 highrises were built in 3years. Nigerian contractors are very heartless and wicked. |
Re: Angola’s Chinese-built Ghost Town – A New Phenomenon In Africa - BBC by aljharem(m): 11:13am On Nov 24, 2013 |
ba7man: Pls, don't call the West in all this and face the issue on ground. They are only reporting what they see. gbammmmmmm well said |
Re: Angola’s Chinese-built Ghost Town – A New Phenomenon In Africa - BBC by Abagworo(m): 11:17am On Nov 24, 2013 |
We also have such projects in Port-Harcout by the way. My major problem is the snail speed of construction in Nigeria.
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Re: Angola’s Chinese-built Ghost Town – A New Phenomenon In Africa - BBC by aljharem(m): 11:20am On Nov 24, 2013 |
this project is SURE to be a major success in Lagos, Warri, PH, Onitsha and Ibadan. This I know |
Re: Angola’s Chinese-built Ghost Town – A New Phenomenon In Africa - BBC by aljharem(m): 11:20am On Nov 24, 2013 |
Abagworo: We also have such projects in Port-Harcout by the way. My major problem is the snail speed of construction in Nigeria. Who are the people building it ? Also is it government or private ? |
Re: Angola’s Chinese-built Ghost Town – A New Phenomenon In Africa - BBC by iterator25: 11:23am On Nov 24, 2013 |
Abagworo: We also have such projects in Port-Harcout by the way. My major problem is the snail speed of construction in Nigeria.compare the projects in lagos and port-harcout with the angolian version, what do you observe? (Be honest ) |
Re: Angola’s Chinese-built Ghost Town – A New Phenomenon In Africa - BBC by Abagworo(m): 11:33am On Nov 24, 2013 |
iterator25: compare the projects in lagos and port-harcout with the angolian version, what do you observe? (Be honest ) All I can say is that Nigerian contractors are wicked or our Government officials are wicked. That beautiful Niger bridge at Onitsha was started and completed in less than 8months in 1965 but the 2nd bridge has been at planning stage for more than 3years. |
Re: Angola’s Chinese-built Ghost Town – A New Phenomenon In Africa - BBC by Nobody: 12:05pm On Nov 24, 2013 |
naptu2:very true, but everyone is responsible, the elites, the gullible followers and maybe the imf and Co. |
Re: Angola’s Chinese-built Ghost Town – A New Phenomenon In Africa - BBC by HopeAtHand: 12:10pm On Nov 24, 2013 |
It definitely sounds lyk a gud idea if these housing projects are carried out in Nigeria, infact overtime ive doubted if we rily have a federal ministry of housing considering the difficulties Nigerians go through to secure decent accomodations in various cities in the country.. If our govt is responsive to the plight of its citizens it wouldnt hesitate to build such towns.That being said, it will be an indictment on our engineers if the Chinese would come all the way to build houses for us.. I dnt want to believe we need the chinese for 8-11 storey buildings else we arent ready to improve as a country. |
Re: Angola’s Chinese-built Ghost Town – A New Phenomenon In Africa - BBC by MagicBishop: 12:29pm On Nov 24, 2013 |
Hope.At.Hand: The biggest obstacle is not the FG but the governors. Outside, Abuja and GRA and Industrial layouts in other states a vast majority of landed property is not tittled. The governors act as landlords and their much required signatures for collecting a 'C of O' attracts a fee termed governors signature fee that is hardly approved. The FG is too distant to be constructing housing units in Dammaturu for instance. Under OBJ, el Rufai opted for the private sector in developing housing units. This made some sense from the stand point that infrastructure such as roads, lightning and water supply was the responsibility of the property developer but the problem was the high flexible interest rates being charged by banks that make it stupid to purchase any of these units. Another fraud that exist in the housing sector is that only property developers can access federal mortgage and housing loans. The property developers get cheap land from the FG and very low interest rates gotten from civil servant monthly housing scheme deductions. The property developers naturally divert these monies into other ventures or just keep it on fixed deposit in one of the banks and get a higher return on interest payments. If they do commence any project, the buildings are usually substandard or unfinished and the infrastructure such as roads, electricity and water are either non-existing or not sufficient. These are the few reason preventing any serious investor in developing and investing in the huge housing deficit. |
Re: Angola’s Chinese-built Ghost Town – A New Phenomenon In Africa - BBC by Asiwaju9ja(m): 12:41pm On Nov 24, 2013 |
Nigerian Leaders, God is watching You! |
Re: Angola’s Chinese-built Ghost Town – A New Phenomenon In Africa - BBC by naptu2: 12:58pm On Nov 24, 2013 |
Now, to the question of ghost towns. The question is, why should people move to the new city? What would attract them to. The new city? Cost of houses is an issue, but it is not the only issue. The problem of costs can be overcome if there is sufficient attraction to the city. 1) In the case of Abuja, it was the Federal Government. Civil servants and businessmen that had dealings with the FG had to bear the cost or find a way around it. The FG also built official quarters for some civil servants and politicians. Others, who were attracted by the initial population influx, came later. 2) In the case of the Badagry Energy City, it is the refinery and port. Oil workers, workers at the port, etc will need residences that are close to their offices. Others, who would be attracted by the initial population influx, will come later. 3) In the case of Lekki Phase 2, it is the refinery, airport, seaport and free trade zone. 4) In the case of Banana Island, it was initially the idea of an exclusive area with very good infrastructure. Airtel, Etisalat and others have also set up their head offices on the island. 5) In the case of Eko Atlantic City, they hope to attract major national and international companies and encourage them to set up their head offices there. |
Re: Angola’s Chinese-built Ghost Town – A New Phenomenon In Africa - BBC by youngmonie: 1:56pm On Nov 24, 2013 |
People not better be fooling themselves. Firstly these are private investors and not government building those houses hence they want returns on it.....those pics you put up on Nigeria, how many people can afford, the a very tiny percentage of the lagos population. Same goes to the ones in Angola a large percentage of the populace cannot afford them, they were mostly built for expats who were working in the oil industry in Angola |
Re: Angola’s Chinese-built Ghost Town – A New Phenomenon In Africa - BBC by Nobody: 2:08pm On Nov 24, 2013 |
Symphony007: African are really insecure and easily confused people. Every poster is busy blasting "foreign media" and ignoring the substance of what they are saying. Are luxury apartments and condo's the most salient things africa need now? How much do those condo's cost? What's the poverty level in angola? Who can afford it? Why can't the government direct investments or partnership to more salient areas like education, food, water, safety nets, low cost housing for the poverty stricken multitude. Blacks have just conditioned their demeanor to look upon themeselves as victims, so whenever stuff is said about you, you attack the foreign media. You've done research and confirmed that the Angolan government isn't doing those things? |
Re: Angola’s Chinese-built Ghost Town – A New Phenomenon In Africa - BBC by bloggernaija: 2:42pm On Nov 24, 2013 |
This article is very old. AT LEAST,ANGOLA IS BUILDING GHOST TOWNS. NIGERIA HAS GHOST CONTRACTS , GHOST BUDGETS AND GHOST ECA |
Re: Angola’s Chinese-built Ghost Town – A New Phenomenon In Africa - BBC by citizenY(m): 3:31pm On Nov 24, 2013 |
HOW I WISH ALL THOSE STEALING OUR MONEY WILL USE IT TO BUILD GHOST TOWNS, AT LEAST THE MONEY WILL NOT TURN INTO ASHES, BUYING JETS AND ROLEX AND FINE CHAMPAGNE |
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