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Should parents support teenage relationship for their kids? - Final by Tgirl4real(f): 7:44am On Nov 30, 2013
We have finally come to the finals of the finals.

It's been 2 weeks of immense fun and battle of wits. grin

Last week, we had the semi finals and 2 winners emerged.

Details can be found here:

Group A
https://www.nairaland.com/1527899/marriage-life-time-commitment-live#19722800


Group B
https://www.nairaland.com/1529958/cohabitation-recipe-successful-marriage-live/2#up

This evening, the 2 winners from last week's semifinals - Efemena_XY and Obinoscopy will be debating on:

Should parents support teenage relationship for their kids?

Debate kicks off by 8pm

Let us make it a date!

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Re: Should parents support teenage relationship for their kids? - Final by Tgirl4real(f): 7:51am On Nov 30, 2013
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Re: Should parents support teenage relationship for their kids? - Final by Tgirl4real(f): 8:01am On Nov 30, 2013
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Re: Should parents support teenage relationship for their kids? - Final by Tgirl4real(f): 8:02am On Nov 30, 2013
Re: Should parents support teenage relationship for their kids? - Final by Tgirl4real(f): 7:58pm On Nov 30, 2013
Debate starts right about now.

I hope everyone is on the standby. We follow the usual protocol.

Contestant 1 - Efemena is arguing FOR

Contestant 2 - Obinoscopy is arguing AGAINST
Re: Should parents support teenage relationship for their kids? - Final by EfemenaXY: 8:21pm On Nov 30, 2013
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As parents, it’s all too easy to conjure up frightful images of vulnerable teens engaging in wanton sexcapades resulting in teenage pregnancies, involvement in recreational drugs from unbearable peer pressure, or worse still, unchecked cyber bullying resulting in suicides - when the dreaded phrase teenage relationships is mentioned – but should the negatives / downsides of teenage relationships or rather, our fear of the unknown limit or prejudice our understanding of teenage relationships? What about the less spoken, less acknowledged upsides of teenage relationships?

Right from conception, even before our children make their entrance into this world, as parents, we tend to be very protective of our offspring and if left to us, no harm will ever come their way. Admirable desires, no doubt, but how realistic are these? It’s easy to molly-cuddle our children but there comes a time in life when these same children of ours seek independence (and rightly so), wanting nothing more, than to be free to make their own judgements and decisions, and these mostly occur during their teenage years. Teenagers at this point are no longer children, but not quite adults yet. There are at the go-between stage and in order to help them make that smooth transition from teens to adulthood, they need as much input and involvement from their parents (adults) as much as possible – and part of becoming grown-up, is learning how to handle real-life relationships.

Good evening judges, my co-debater, and viewers. Based on the above premises, I (Contestant 1) would be advocating the notion that parents should support teenage relationships for their kids for the following reasons:


Identity formation: Understandably, the teen years are a time of identity development and assertion, and dating can be an integral part of developing a healthy sense of self. Prior to the teenage years, most kids or pre-teens don't quite know how to date. However, through practice, they learn the give-and-take of relationships and test out various ways of relating to others. By the time they reach their teenage years, they would have understood the basics and should be much more grounded.

Improvement of social skills: As teens become more experienced and mature, they can reap many benefits from becoming involved in relationships and whilst doing this, they learn about different habits of the opposite sex, practice their communication and social skills, and become involved in new interests and hobbies.

Understanding cause and effect of choices made: Interestingly, through relationships they learn how their decisions affect others; they develop emotionally as they figure out who they are and what their values are. Equally important are their interpersonal skills such as such as the ability to negotiate and empathize, and learning to apologize and forgive, are enhanced as teens give and receive emotional support through their involvement.

As can be seen, through parental involvement, teenagers learn not only, how to develop but also, reap the effect of healthy relationships – but how can parents ensure this if not through active involvement and support? Listed below are a few (but not exhaustive) ways in which parents can help support their teenagers develop healthy relationships:

• By the time a child reaches the preteen years parents should have had the basic sex talk, and as kids get older it should be an ongoing rather than a one-time conversation. Children hear different things about sex from their friends and the media, so make sure they know the facts.

• Conversations should not be solely about the mechanics of sex, but should also include feelings. Teens need to be aware that relationships should be based on the trust, mutual respect, and genuine intimacy that develop over time. Parents need to be clear about their values and what they expect from their children.

• One of the most powerful teaching tools parents have to convey their values to their children is their own relationship. Children will learn to be tender, compassionate and respectful of their partners when they see their parents model these behaviors.

• Be alert to signs of an abusive relationship such as controlling behavior, belittling or verbally putting down a person, isolating her from friends, having a short temper, showing jealousy or possessiveness, pushing or slapping.

• As it becomes harder to shield kids completely from online pornography, parents may want to address this, emphasizing that just as movies and TV aren't the same as real life, these depictions of sex are not realistic and can promote unhealthy attitudes.

• Parents should be available and supportive so their children are not driven to rely solely on others for support. At the same time keep in mind that adolescents are trying to become less dependent on their parents and will want some degree of privacy.

• Basic rules such as curfews should be established. Know who your teen is dating, where they're going, what they plan to do, and when they'll be home.

• Set up rules about computer use and online safety. It's not unreasonable to monitor kids' activities online.

• Encourage kids to invite friends home, but set ground rules about entertaining when parents aren't present.

• Answer questions directly and honestly as they come up. Your willingness to be open and truthful sets the standard.

• Don't hesitate to let your teen know how you feel and what you expect. Be willing to listen and not judge.

• Be aware of how your children use technology. Make sure they know they should come to a parent or other trusted adult if they feel threatened or if someone spreads photos or rumors about them online.

• Teach teens to trust their judgment and avoid unwanted sexual advances by stating a response such as "No" clearly and firmly.

• When appropriate, encourage your teen to talk privately with their own physician.1

Finally, parents - based on their knowledge and life experiences should help guide their teenagers. A child thrives and copes better with the challenges they face, knowing they have the love and understanding of a supportive parent.

References:

1 Anita Gurian, The Child Study Centre, Boyfriends, Girlfriends: What Parents Need to Know about Teenage Dating

2 Teen Dating Abuse Survey, 2006, Teenage Research Unlimited (TRU) for Liz Claiborne Inc.

3 Technology & Teen Dating Abuse Survey 2007, Teenage Research Unlimited (TRU) for Liz Claiborne Inc.

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Re: Should parents support teenage relationship for their kids? - Final by Tgirl4real(f): 8:25pm On Nov 30, 2013
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Re: Should parents support teenage relationship for their kids? - Final by Obinoscopy(m): 8:27pm On Nov 30, 2013
Once again, I am most honored to be given the opportunity to speak on a topic I so cherish: Teenage relationship. My esteemed Judges, illustrious coordinators, fellow contestants, informed audience, all other protocols duly observed, I remain my humble self, Obinoscopy (Contestant 2), and I am indeed honored and privileged to, yet again, make this epic presentation/debate. Teenage relationship, in the context of this debate, is a loving, romantic and/or sexual friendship between two people of opposite sex who are within the age range of 13 to 19 years. I had purposely included the term ‘opposite sex’ in my definition so as to limit my presentation to heterosexual relationship thereby precluding homosexual relationship. Homosexual relationship among teenagers is a very vast, sensitive and controversial topic that should be beyond the scope of this presentation. I would suggest that such topic needs to be presented separately and not merged with today’s topic of discuss. A teenager is said to be in a transitional phase from childhood into adulthood, he/she is not yet an adult and as such is still under the custody of his parent/guardian. A teenager, in his quest to becoming an adult before his time, seek to engage in adult activities such as drinking of alcoholic beverages, smoking of tobacco cigarette, pornography viewing, driving, gambling, possession of firearms, voting, relationship/dating and even marriage. He is oblivious of his unpreparedness for such adult activities, thus the need for his parent to guide him appropriately lest he falls. The parent should NEVER support him in his quest for such adult activities especially that which concerns the topic of discuss: Teenage relationship. Although I understand the need for emotional autonomy and identity formation among the teenagers, I believe they can wait till their eighteenth year before they could experiment with such idea of emotional autonomy and sexual identity via teenage relationship.

A teenager’s foray into romantic relationships could be very dangerous. Relationships are very emotional and require one to have the required emotional stability/control and mental strength to engage in such. Teenagers do not have the desired emotional and mental strength to be in such fleeting relationships characterized by numerous break-ups and heart breaks.[1] The brain of a teenager is not fully ready for a relationship. The prefrontal cortex (PFC) – the part of the brain which control reasoning and impulses – is not fully developed until the age of 24.[2,3] It is the PFC that is responsible for the control of one’s emotions and the application of reasoning in whatever one engages upon. Thus it is very imperative that the parent ensures their teenage kid‘s prefrontal complex is either fully developed at the age of 24 or approaching the age of maturation at 18 before allowing him/her to go into a relationship. Negative outcomes such as substance use, academic difficulties, stress and involvement in delinquent behavior (particularly in relation to early sexual and romantic experiences), sexual health risks and unplanned pregnancy, risk of experiencing ‘dating’ or ‘partner violence’ and increased vulnerability to experiencing depressive symptoms (particularly for girls, and particularly following break-ups) could be prevented if the parent ensures the teenager does not go into a relationship until he/she has the required mental capacity.[4]

Life comes in stages and with each stage comes its responsibilities. As a child, there are certain things one is meant to learn and practice. A child is meant to go to elementary school to learn how to read and write; he/she is also meant to help out his/her parent in minor domestic chores. A teen is meant to progress into secondary and tertiary school and have good grades in their subjects, help out their parents with errands and more tedious domestic chores, participate in community based activities and mentor their younger siblings. An adult, unlike a child or a teen, is considered to be fully independent and is responsible for his/her actions. Thus he can engage in any activity he wants to, since he is independent and takes full responsibility. A teenager on the other hand is still not fully responsible for his/her actions and as such, the person who takes the full responsibility – in this case the teenager’s parent – has the moral and legal obligation to ensure the teenager do not engage in relationships with the opposite sex due to its negative consequences.

Fellow audience and esteemed judges, there is no gainsaying the fact that teenage relationship has immense negative consequences. A study by Quatman et al on dating status, academic performance, and motivation in high schools showed that students who dated more frequently had a lower academic performance.[5] Why destroy the teenager’s academic future with relationships that are fleeting? It is certainly not worth it. Aside the academic failures that results from romantic relationships, depression also results from such relationships. Studies have shown that depression often increases over the course of the mid-adolescent years, and it increases more for those adolescents who become romantically involved (especially for the first time) than for those who do not become romantically involved.[6] Other negative consequences include teenage pregnancy[7], increase in the prevalence of STIs among teenagers[8], dating violence[9], etc. No responsible parent would want his/her teenage kid to experience these negative outcomes.

The perfect age for one to indulge in any form of romantic relationship is 24 years as I had explained earlier. However, I am perfectly aware that the transition from adolescence to adulthood is not abrupt but a continuum, thus there is need for a gradual introduction of the teenage kid into romantic relationship. In the early teen age from 13 years till 17 years, the kid should be taught sex education at home by his/her parent. This is the pubertal stage of the kid thus there are bound to be hormonal and physical changes, such changes should be explained. However at such tender age, no form of romantic relationship should be allowed. It is when the child has attained the legal adult age of 18 years that some level of freedom can be given. From 18 till 24, the ‘child’ could engage in platonic relationship and subsequently graduate into romantic relationship with the opposite sex. Any responsible parent who wants the best for their kid must follow this model or its analogue.

Conclusively, parents should not encourage their kids to go into teenage relationship – especially in their early teens. This is because such relationship, though fleeting, could destroy the future of the teenage kid and make him/her emotionally unstable for the rest of his/her life


Word Count: 1059

REFERENCE
1. Brown BB, et al. Missing the love boat: Why researchers have shied away from adolescent romance. In: Furman W, Brown BB, Feiring C, editors. The development of romantic relationships in adolescence. Cambridge: Cambridge University Press. 1999; Pg.1-16
2. Adele D. Normal development of prefrontal cortex from birth to young adulthood: cognitive functions, anatomy and biochemistry. In: Stuss DT, Knight RT, editors. Principles of frontal lobe function. Oxford University Press
3. The Amercan Academy of Pediatrics. What’s going on in the teenage brain. Retrieved on November 30, 2013 from www.healthychildren.org/English/ages-stages/teen/Pages/Whats-Going-On-in-the-Teenage-Brain.aspx
4. Headspace. Adolescent Romantic Relationships – Why are they important? And should they be encouraged or avoided?
5. Quatman, T., Sampson, K., Robinson, C., & Watson, C. M. (2001). Academic, motivational, and emotional correlates of adolescent dating. Genetic, Social, and General Psychology Monographs 127 (2): 211-234
6. Joyner K, Udry JR. You don't bring me anything but down: adolescent romance and depression. J Health Soc Behav. 2000 Dec;41(4):369-91
7. Blum RW, et al. Protecting teens: Beyond race, income, and family structure. Minneapolis: Center for Adolescent Health. 2000.
8. Rosenberg MD, Gurvey JE, Adler N, Dunlop MB, Ellen JM. Concurrent sex partners and risk for sexually transmitted diseases among adolescents. J Sex Transm Dis 1999 Apr;26(4):208-212.
9. Murphy KA, Smith DI. Before they’re victims: Rethinking youth-targeted relationship abuse and prevention in Australia. Aust Psychol. 2010;45(1):38-49.

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Re: Should parents support teenage relationship for their kids? - Final by Tgirl4real(f): 8:30pm On Nov 30, 2013
Rebuttals please..
Re: Should parents support teenage relationship for their kids? - Final by Obinoscopy(m): 8:56pm On Nov 30, 2013
Efemena_xy: [Word Count: 1000]

As parents, it’s all too easy to conjure up frightful images of vulnerable teens engaging in wanton sexcapades resulting in teenage pregnancies, involvement in recreational drugs from unbearable peer pressure, or worse still, unchecked cyber bullying resulting in suicides - when the dreaded phrase teenage relationships is mentioned – but should the negatives / downsides of teenage relationships or rather, our fear of the unknown limit or prejudice our understanding of teenage relationships? What about the less spoken, less acknowledged upsides of teenage relationships?
The benefits of teenage relationship is far less significant when compared to the dangers that it portends. Why dabble into such?

Right from conception, even before our children make their entrance into this world, as parents, we tend to be very protective of our offspring and if left to us, no harm will ever come their way. Admirable desires, no doubt, but how realistic are these? It’s easy to molly-cuddle our children but there comes a time in life when these same children of ours seek independence (and rightly so), wanting nothing more, than to be free to make their own judgements and decisions, and these mostly occur during their teenage years.
I agree with you that every teenager wants to make their own judgement and decisions, however should we, the parent, grant them full autonomy simply because our teenage kid desires it? Certainly no. Its the parent who should decide when its right for their kid to be given full or partial autonomy and not the kid
Teenagers at this point are no longer children, but not quite adults yet. There are at the go-between stage and in order to help them make that smooth transition from teens to adulthood, they need as much input and involvement from their parents (adults) as much as possible – and part of becoming grown-up, is learning how to handle real-life relationships.
There are certainly ways to help the kid handle real-life relationships without endangering the emotional state of the teenage kid. First of, sex education and relationship counselling can be provided the kid in his/her teens. It's only at the transitional phase between teenage and adulthood that we can safely encourage him or her to experiment real life relationship
Re: Should parents support teenage relationship for their kids? - Final by Tgirl4real(f): 8:56pm On Nov 30, 2013
Waiting for you guys....
Re: Should parents support teenage relationship for their kids? - Final by Obinoscopy(m): 9:05pm On Nov 30, 2013
Identity formation: Understandably, the teen years are a time of identity development and assertion, and dating can be an integral part of developing a healthy sense of self. Prior to the teenage years, most kids or pre-teens don't quite know how to date. However, through practice, they learn the give-and-take of relationships and test out various ways of relating to others. By the time they reach their teenage years, they would have understood the basics and should be much more grounded.
You speak of dating and relationship as if it was just mere driving a car or wearing a tie. Dating involves emotional commitment, trust, love, care thus it shouldn’t be something we just venture in simply because we want to "learn the give-and-take of relationships and test out various ways of relating to others." A teenage kid should venture into dating when he/she is emotionally ready for it. Period!
Re: Should parents support teenage relationship for their kids? - Final by Obinoscopy(m): 9:26pm On Nov 30, 2013
Improvement of social skills: As teens become more experienced and mature, they can reap many benefits from becoming involved in relationships and whilst doing this, they learn about different habits of the opposite sex, practice their communication and social skills, and become involved in new interests and hobbies.
With all due respect, I beg to disagree that they will learn the "different" habits of the opposite sex. Even professional prostitutes and philanderers don't know all the "different" habits of the opposite sex. So I beg to wonder how the fleeting teenage relationship will ensure all the "different" habits of the opposite sex will be learnt.
Re: Should parents support teenage relationship for their kids? - Final by Obinoscopy(m): 9:39pm On Nov 30, 2013
As can be seen, through parental involvement, teenagers learn not only, how to develop but also, reap the effect of healthy relationships – but how can parents ensure this if not through active involvement and support? Listed below are a few (but not exhaustive) ways in which parents can help support their teenagers develop healthy relationships:

• By the time a child reaches the preteen years parents should have had the basic sex talk, and as kids get older it should be an ongoing rather than a one-time conversation. Children hear different things about sex from their friends and the media, so make sure they know the facts.

• Conversations should not be solely about the mechanics of sex, but should also include feelings. Teens need to be aware that relationships should be based on the trust, mutual respect, and genuine intimacy that develop over time. Parents need to be clear about their values and what they expect from their children.

• One of the most powerful teaching tools parents have to convey their values to their children is their own relationship. Children will learn to be tender, compassionate and respectful of their partners when they see their parents model these behaviors.

• Be alert to signs of an abusive relationship such as controlling behavior, belittling or verbally putting down a person, isolating her from friends, having a short temper, showing jealousy or possessiveness, pushing or slapping.

• As it becomes harder to shield kids completely from online Indecency, parents may want to address this, emphasizing that just as movies and TV aren't the same as real life, these depictions of sex are not realistic and can promote unhealthy attitudes.

• Parents should be available and supportive so their children are not driven to rely solely on others for support. At the same time keep in mind that adolescents are trying to become less dependent on their parents and will want some degree of privacy.

• Basic rules such as curfews should be established. Know who your teen is dating, where they're going, what they plan to do, and when they'll be home.

• Set up rules about computer use and online safety. It's not unreasonable to monitor kids' activities online.

• Encourage kids to invite friends home, but set ground rules about entertaining when parents aren't present.

• Answer questions directly and honestly as they come up. Your willingness to be open and truthful sets the standard.

• Don't hesitate to let your teen know how you feel and what you expect. Be willing to listen and not judge.

• Be aware of how your children use technology. Make sure they know they should come to a parent or other trusted adult if they feel threatened or if someone spreads photos or rumors about them online.

• Teach teens to trust their judgment and avoid unwanted intimate advances by stating a response such as "No" clearly and firmly.

• When appropriate, encourage your teen to talk privately with their own physician.1
There are three bonds available to a teenage kid namely: parent-teenage bond, peer-bond and opposite sex relationship-bond. Once the parent encourages the latter, the first two bonds suffer. This inevitably mean the parent will lose control over the kid. Thus I find it laughable that you think the steps you listed will achieve anything.
Re: Should parents support teenage relationship for their kids? - Final by Obinoscopy(m): 10:01pm On Nov 30, 2013
Esteemed Judges and fellow audience, I will like to share with you the horrible statistics from the CDC regarding adolescent sexuality. According to the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), in 2007 47.8% of U.S. high school students reported having ever had sexual intercourse. This is what you get in climes that support teenage relationship.

"Trends in the Prevalence of Sexual Behaviors" (PDF). The National Youth Risk Behavior Survey (YRBS) 1991-2007. US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. 2007
Re: Should parents support teenage relationship for their kids? - Final by EfemenaXY: 10:04pm On Nov 30, 2013
Hello Obinoscopy, based on excerpts from your presentation, here are a couple of my questions:

Obinoscopy: Teenage relationship, in the context of this debate, is a loving, romantic and/or sexual friendship between two people of opposite sex who are within the age range of 13 to 19 years. I had purposely included the term ‘opposite sex’ in my definition so as to limit my presentation to heterosexual relationship thereby precluding homosexual relationship. Homosexual relationship among teenagers is a very vast, sensitive and controversial topic that should be beyond the scope of this presentation. I would suggest that such topic needs to be presented separately and not merged with today’s topic of discuss. [b]A teenager is said to be in a transitional phase from childhood into adulthood, he/she is not yet an adult and as such is still under the custody of his parent/guardian. [/b]A teenager, in his quest to becoming an adult before his time, seek to engage in adult activities such as drinking of alcoholic beverages, smoking of tobacco cigarette, pornography viewing, driving, gambling, possession of firearms, voting, relationship/dating and even marriage. He is oblivious of his unpreparedness for such adult activities, thus the need for his parent to guide him appropriately lest he falls. The parent should NEVER support him in his quest for such adult activities especially that which concerns the topic of discuss: Teenage relationship. Although I understand the need for emotional autonomy and identity formation among the teenagers, I believe they can wait till their eighteenth year before they could experiment with such idea of emotional autonomy and sexual identity via teenage relationship.

Question 1: I'd like to know where you got your definition of what a relationship is and why you think it's based mostly on sex? The reason I ask is because, according to The Concise Oxford Dictionary, a relationship is defined as:

1. The fact or state of being related
2a. A connection or association (enjoyed a working relationship) b. an emotional (esp. sexual) association between tow people
3. A condition or character due to being related
4. Kinship


As you can see, sex forms a quarter of that definition meaning, there is more to a relationship than just sex based on the topic being debated upon, this applies to all teenagers, irrespective of their sexual orientation or not. But just to indulge your digression for a bit:

a. First of all, I don't think you're in a position to determine the boundaries of what is and what isn't debated upon. Leave that to the judges and don't undermine their decisions. Now that aside, are you saying that parents of non-heterosexual teenagers should take a back-seat in their child's lives with regards to relationships simply because you choose to sideline them? Those teenagers do not require parental guidance?

b. Re: the bolded bit of your statement, you mention teenagers are at a transitional stage of their lives under the custody of their parents, yet you go on to mention that in their quest to become adults, they seek to engage in adult activities such as

~ drinking of alcoholic beverages
~ smoking of tobacco cigarette
~ pornography viewing
~ driving (I assume you mean irresponsibly?)
~ gambling
~ possession of firearms
~ voting (what's wrong with voting?)
~ relationship/dating and even marriage.


That's 12 negatives you've tagged on teenagers - don't you think that's a bit much or even worse, you've tarred them all with the same brush? If you in one breath claim that they are custodians of their parents, how then can a teenager be so deeply entrenched in such vices even whilst under their parents' supposed guidance? If anything, does this not tell you that a parent whose teenage child(ren) engage in such activities have failed woefully? And why do you think they'd have failed this much if not for the disengagement of the parent? I mean, if the parent is actively involved in the affairs (I mean day-to-day activities) of their teenagers, how then can the child fall so much along the wayside?


Obinoscopy: A teenager’s foray into romantic relationships could be very dangerous. Relationships are very emotional and require one to have the required emotional stability/control and mental strength to engage in such. Teenagers do not have the desired emotional and mental strength to be in such fleeting relationships characterized by numerous break-ups and heart breaks. Negative outcomes such as substance use, academic difficulties, stress and involvement in delinquent behavior (particularly in relation to early intimate and romantic experiences), intimate health risks and unplanned pregnancy, risk of experiencing ‘dating’ or ‘partner violence’ and increased vulnerability to experiencing depressive symptoms (particularly for girls, and particularly following break-ups) could be prevented if the parent ensures the teenager does not go into a relationship until he/she has the required mental capacity.[4]

Question 2: There is more to relationships than sex. Being able to socialise, communicate and act responsibly with others forms the basis of relationships. Unless being groomed to join the monastery or to live the life of a monk / nun, teenagers will have to intermingle with members of the opposite sex but how do you propose they do this, if you have the mindset that merely mixing / interacting with others will ultimately lead to them jumping into the other's knickers?

Yes, relationships can be very emotional - not just for teenagers but for adults and even younger children, so do you not think - based on that, that parental involvement is needed more than ever? Do you not think that teenagers, like every other person deserve to have the listening (and understanding) ear of an adult? And in the absence of that, they turn to their peers (who incidentally know no better) for advice and end up getting the wrong advice?

You also mention teenage pregnancies for young girls with is indeed a real risk. But then how do you mitigate that risk? Has it not occurred to you that most of the teens involved in teenage pregnancy get into that situation because they did not get the adult supervision / guidance when they needed it most? Let me give you an example: A few weeks ago, an 18 year old girl opened a thread claiming she was pregnant and at her wits end, not knowing what to do - as her boyfriend of over a year had denied the pregnancy and wanted her to get rid of it?

FACT: This girl confirmed that she was unable to discuss her relationship issues with her parents and as a result, used to sneak out of her parents' home to be with her boyfriend

FACT: In the absence of parental support and guidance, she sought advice from strangers on a faceless, online forum. And guess what section on nairaland she went to first for advice? The Romance Section - which I'm sure you know, has teenagers as it's main contributors

FACT: When eventually it all got too much for her, where did she turn to for advice (albeit too late?) - Family Section.

This is just one example out of hundreds which I'm sure occur daily. But what are the lessons learnt here, if not the extremely important need for parental support and guidance? If she had felt comfortable enough to open up to her parents, sought their advice and discussed this thoroughly with them, do you not think that issue of pregnancy would not have occurred?

Obinoscopy: Life comes in stages and with each stage comes its responsibilities. As a child, there are certain things one is meant to learn and practice. A child is meant to go to elementary school to learn how to read and write; he/she is also meant to help out his/her parent in minor domestic chores. A teen is meant to progress into secondary and tertiary school and have good grades in their subjects, help out their parents with errands and more tedious domestic chores, participate in community based activities and mentor their younger siblings. An adult, unlike a child or a teen, is considered to be fully independent and is responsible for his/her actions. Thus he can engage in any activity he wants to, since he is independent and takes full responsibility. A teenager on the other hand is still not fully responsible for his/her actions and as such, the person who takes the full responsibility – in this case the teenager’s parent – has the moral and legal obligation to ensure the teenager do not engage in relationships with the opposite sex due to its negative consequences.

Question 3: I find the highlighted bit of your statement interesting. You mention different life stages and the corresponding responsibilities that go with them. You argue against teenagers getting involved in relationships, yet in the same breath, you advocate them participating in community based activities. Will they not meet members of the opposite sex whilst partaking in these activities? And pray, do tell, how will they intermingle, associate, communicate, if not by forming relationships with them? How do you propose they handle this? You do realise that forming relationships is all part of life too? So if you're advocating that they wait till they're adults before they start, will that not give rise to very awkward adults with poor communication skills - simply because they never got the chance to learn one of life's basics?

Obinoscopy: Fellow audience and esteemed judges, there is no gainsaying the fact that teenage relationship has immense negative consequences. A study by Quatman et al on dating status, academic performance, and motivation in high schools showed that students who dated more frequently had a lower academic performance.[5] Why destroy the teenager’s academic future with relationships that are fleeting? It is certainly not worth it. Aside the academic failures that results from romantic relationships, depression also results from such relationships. Studies have shown that depression often increases over the course of the mid-adolescent years, and it increases more for those adolescents who become romantically involved (especially for the first time) than for those who do not become romantically involved.[6] Other negative consequences include teenage pregnancy[7], increase in the prevalence of STIs among teenagers[8], dating violence[9], etc. No responsible parent would want his/her teenage kid to experience these negative outcomes.

Question 4: You've listed a lot of negatives regarding the teenage relationships. But has it occured to you that those negatives occur in the absence of parental guidance? Now look a bit further and tell me why there was no parental guidance in the first place? Would it not be due t the absolute no discussion policy from the parents on such matters? Just because these parents refuse to discuss emotional relationships with their teenagers doesn't mean the problem will magically go away. If anything, it's more a case of burying one's head in the sand like the provobial ostrich - and when that happens, these kids have no choice but to seek advice from 'other' avenues.

Do you not agree that when you tell a child / teenager: "No. You must never do this" and refuse to discuss why, that in itself is more than enough temptation for the child / teenager in question to try it out and find out what the big deal is? Do you not think that's where issues surrounding STIs and sTDs come into play because such parents were too prudish to talk openly about sex in the first place? Same thing with drinking. In the UK, the culture of binge drinking is prevalent amongst youths but in countries like France, it's the complete opposite because the French parents adopt an open attitude. They even allow their older kids take a sip of wine during meal times and such kids grow up with a healthy attitude to alcohol. Why? Because they were supervised and I daresay, discussed this at length with their parents. It wasn't swept under the carpet and treated like a taboo subject, so they grow up responsibly with a healthy respect for alcohol. Apply that same analogy to sex. Freedom to discuss openly with parents on issues surrounding sex and relationships will ultimately help breed well balanced individuals / teenagers with a healthy and respectful outlook to such issues.

Obinoscopy: The perfect age for one to indulge in any form of romantic relationship is 24 years as I had explained earlier. However, I am perfectly aware that the transition from adolescence to adulthood is not abrupt but a continuum, thus there is need for a gradual introduction of the teenage kid into romantic relationship. In the early teen age from 13 years till 17 years, the kid should be taught sex education at home by his/her parent. This is the pubertal stage of the kid thus there are bound to be hormonal and physical changes, such changes should be explained. However at such tender age, no form of romantic relationship should be allowed. It is when the child has attained the legal adult age of 18 years that some level of freedom can be given. From 18 till 24, the ‘child’ could engage in platonic relationship and subsequently graduate into romantic relationship with the opposite sex. Any responsible parent who wants the best for their kid must follow this model or its analogue.

I disagree with you.

Question 5: Boy likes girl. Girl likes boy. Boy wants to invite her out on a date to watch a movie at their local cinema. What should girl do? Hide and sneak out to go see boy? Or discuss with parents and parents encourage her to invite boy home so they can assess him, by discussing with him to find out what sort of person he is?

Girl likes boy. Boy likes girl. She mentions she's got two tickets for them to go go-karting or even ice-skating on Saturday afternoon, in the popular arena visited by parents and kids alike. What should boy do? You tell me.

Cheers,
Efe.

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Re: Should parents support teenage relationship for their kids? - Final by Nobody: 10:05pm On Nov 30, 2013
*never mind* cheesy
Re: Should parents support teenage relationship for their kids? - Final by Obinoscopy(m): 10:16pm On Nov 30, 2013
Question 1: I'd like to know where you got your definition of what a relationship is and why you think it's based mostly on sex? The reason I ask is because, according to The Concise Oxford Dictionary, a relationship is defined as:

1. The fact or state of being related
2a. A connection or association (enjoyed a working relationship) b. an emotional (esp. intimate) association between tow people
3. A condition or character due to being related
4. Kinship

As you can see, sex forms a quarter of that definition meaning, there is more to a relationship than just sex based on the topic being debated upon, this applies to all teenagers, irrespective of their intimate orientation or not.
definition was not hinged mostly on sex but on the emotional aspect attached to it. Teenage relationship is obviously not the ordinary classroom friendship between a boy and a girl. It's certainly deeper. And just as you admitted, sex definitely forms a quarter of the definition. Meaning the word sex can never be precluded from teenage relationships

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Re: Should parents support teenage relationship for their kids? - Final by Tgirl4real(f): 10:22pm On Nov 30, 2013
@ all,

Once the debaters indicate that they are satisfied with each other's rebuttlas and responses, the judges and audience can engage them.

The debate is open till 12 noon 2mrw.

I can't access my mail for now, I will respond to all mails as soon as I can.

Thanks.
Re: Should parents support teenage relationship for their kids? - Final by Obinoscopy(m): 10:29pm On Nov 30, 2013
First of all, I don't think you're in a position to determine the boundaries of what is and what isn't debated upon. Leave that to the judges and don't undermine their decisions. Now that aside, are you saying that parents of non-heterosexual teenagers should take a back-seat in their child's lives with regards to relationships simply because you choose to sideline them? Those teenagers do not require parental guidance?
I never tried determining the boundaries, I simply tried giving a definition of the term teenage relationship, a definition you didn't even give in your presentation. I had to preclude the issue of teenagers with homosexual orientation because I felt it was beyond the scope of this presentation - I even observed you did same - but since you have brought up the issue in your rebuttal, I will give me views in that regard.

I believe whatever obtains for teenagers with heterosexual orientation should be same for homosexuals. A teenager with homosexual orientation should not indulge in any emotional relationship with same sex till he or she has attained adulthood. It is only then that we can be sure that he or she is truly homosexual or not.
Re: Should parents support teenage relationship for their kids? - Final by Obinoscopy(m): 10:40pm On Nov 30, 2013
e: the bolded bit of your statement, you mention teenagers are at a transitional stage of their lives under the custody of their parents, yet you go on to mention that in their quest to become adults, they seek to engage in adult activities such as

~ drinking of alcoholic beverages
~ smoking of tobacco cigarette
~ Indecency viewing
~ driving (I assume you mean irresponsibly?)
~ gambling
~ possession of firearms
~ voting (what's wrong with voting?)
~ relationship/dating and even marriage.

That's 12 negatives you've tagged on teenagers - don't you think that's a bit much or even worse, you've tarred them all with the same brush? If you in one breath claim that they are custodians of their parents, how then can a teenager be so deeply entrenched in such vices even whilst under their parents' supposed guidance? If anything, does this not tell you that a parent whose teenage child(ren) engage in such activities have failed woefully? And why do you think they'd have failed this much if not for the disengagement of the parent? I mean, if the parent is actively involved in the affairs (I mean day-to-day activities) of their teenagers, how then can the child fall so much along the wayside?
You misquote me yet again, please re-read my post you quoted again. I said they seek to engage in the twelve items you mentioned. I believe "seek to engage" and "engage" mean different things. Also I never termed those twelve items negative, you did. Driving, marriage, drinking aalcoholic beverages, voting, relationships, etc are not negatives where I come from.
Re: Should parents support teenage relationship for their kids? - Final by Obinoscopy(m): 10:51pm On Nov 30, 2013
Unless being groomed to join the monastery or to live the life of a monk / nun, teenagers will have to intermingle with members of the opposite sex but how do you propose they do this, if you have the mindset that merely mixing / interacting with others will ultimately lead to them jumping into the other's knickers?
There's a big difference between socialising between people of opposite sex and teenage relationship. A classroom interaction between a boy and a girl is perfectly normal. Same goes for the interaction in the church or in the library. But when it becomes a relationship between two people of opposite sex, there are certainly possibilities of one jumping into the others knickers
Re: Should parents support teenage relationship for their kids? - Final by Obinoscopy(m): 10:59pm On Nov 30, 2013
Yes, relationships can be very emotional - not just for teenagers but for adults and even younger children, so do you not think - based on that, that parental involvement is needed more than ever? Do you not think that teenagers, like every other person deserve to have the listening (and understanding) ear of an adult? And in the absence of that, they turn to their peers (who incidentally know no better) for advice and end up getting the wrong advice?
In my model of effective parenting of teenagers against relationships, I clearly stated the big role the parent has to play in ensuring their child is groomed perfectly. If you go through my entire piece you'd see I'm more of a proponent of parent-teenage bonding than you. You support teenage relationship and studies have shown that such relationships erode the parent-teenage bonding
Re: Should parents support teenage relationship for their kids? - Final by Obinoscopy(m): 11:07pm On Nov 30, 2013
You also mention teenage pregnancies for young girls with is indeed a real risk. But then how do you mitigate that risk? Has it not occurred to you that most of the teens involved in teenage pregnancy get into that situation because they did not get the adult supervision / guidance when they needed it most? Let me give you an example: A few weeks ago, an 18 year old girl opened a thread claiming she was pregnant and at her wits end, not knowing what to do - as her boyfriend of over a year had denied the pregnancy and wanted her to get rid of it?
The answer to the bolded question is simple: discourage teenage relationship. A lady cannot conceive if she's not in a relationship with a boy. It behoves on the parents to ensure this by close supervision, counselling and bonding
Re: Should parents support teenage relationship for their kids? - Final by EfemenaXY: 11:14pm On Nov 30, 2013
Obinoscopy: The benefits of teenage relationship is far less significant when compared to the dangers that it portends. Why dabble into such?

You're assuming that all teenage relationships are sexual or end up as sexual relationships? Being a teenager is a transitional stage to becoming an adult and like most things in life, it's best you learn gently than wait till the end when the learning curve is steep. You call it 'dabbling' like it's some sort of a game - I choose to call it 'learning' and 'skills acquisition'.

I've got colleagues at work - male colleagues who confirmed they're of the old school make. They attended single-sex, all boys schools and confirmed they had problems relating to the opposite sex. Now you compare those men with men who attended mixed schools. Who do you think coped better with relationships. And by coping better, I am by no means insinuating that all students in mixed schools formed sexual relationships with themselves. Far from it.

Obinoscopy: I agree with you that every teenager wants to make their own judgement and decisions, however should we, the parent, grant them full autonomy simply because our teenage kid desires it? Certainly no. Its the parent who should decide when its right for their kid to be given full or partial autonomy and not the kid There are certainly ways to help the kid handle real-life relationships without endangering the emotional state of the teenage kid. First of, sex education and relationship counselling can be provided the kid in his/her teens. It's only at the transitional phase between teenage and adulthood that we can safely encourage him or her to experiment real life relationship

So how then do you propose that they handle relationship issues if they wait till that 'transitional' stage between teenage years and adulthood?

Do you not think that by adopting a hard line and narrow view that you as a parent undermines your teenage child's judgement? You're effectively telling your teenager, "I don't trust your capabilities and judgement" and that ultimately can lead to self-esteem issues. Haven't you heard that most teenagers gripe with their parents is that their parents don't listen to them? At the end of the day, a parent, who having done their job well from birth to teenage years, should accord their child some respect.

This is where building a strong parent-child relationship comes in to play. By having a strong relationship with us, our teens are also more likely to accept our supervision, adopt our values and ideals, and follow our rules — even when we’re not around. Now that is what I call respect. If you choose to restrict them without so much having any faith in them, it's just a matter of time before they rebel and teenagers do rebel against authority - when they feel their voices aren't being heard.

Obinoscopy: There are certainly ways to help the kid handle real-life relationships without endangering the emotional state of the teenage kid. First of, sex education and relationship counselling can be provided the kid in his/her teens. It's only at the transitional phase between teenage and adulthood that we can safely encourage him or her to experiment real life relationship

And I reiterate that real-life relationships are not all about sex. There is more to life than sex - so where does 'endangering the emotional state of the teenage kid' come in to play?

And sex education is not limited to teenagers. It starts from primary school but tailor-made to suit the age and development of the kids. You get children in year 1 (primary 1) being taught about the bird and bees, about how fertilization takes place. Then it builds up from there and parents are encouraged to continue with it, till it becomes less of an awkward subject. Sitting with your child and watching educational wild-life documentaries is another part of the learning process and again only gives credence to my point about parental involvement in the child's relationship with others - emotional or not.

Obinoscopy: You speak of dating and relationship as if it was just mere driving a car or wearing a tie. Dating involves emotional commitment, trust, love, care thus it shouldn’t be something we just venture in simply because we want to "learn the give-and-take of relationships and test out various ways of relating to others." A teenage kid should venture into dating when he/she is emotionally ready for it. Period!

You're taking my write up out of context here. I was referring to pre-teens. As per the dating game - ever heard of play dates? That aside, most child psychology experts believe that believe that pre-teen girls and boys should participate in supervised group activities such as school dances, sports events, trips to the mall or the movies, or going out to eat.
http://www.aboutourkids.org/articles/boyfriends_girlfriends_what_parents_need_know_about_teenage_dating

Now that is the essence of relationship building and in no way does it entail an emotional sex romp. When as a pre-teen, the child is able to handle relating to others well, do you not think that will only help to serve them better - or prepare better for handling relationships as they grow older? Unless of course, you are totally against kids going out together on school trips? Mind you, these trips are not the preserve of pre-teens but also teenagers. Schools organise such outings to different countries for recreational and educational purposes. So tell me how the teenagers should relate to one another on such trips? Does this not go further to prove my point that relationships are not just about sex? Seeing the input from not just parents but schools as well?

Obinoscopy: With all due respect, I beg to disagree that they will learn the "different" habits of the opposite sex. Even professional prostitutes and philanderers don't know all the "different" habits of the opposite sex. So I beg to wonder how the fleeting teenage relationship will ensure all the "different" habits of the opposite sex will be learnt.

Simple.

By habits, I mean how the opposite sex reacts to certain situations. This could cover a range of things and I'll give you a light-hearted example like time keeping for example. Yes, I put my hand up (and I'm sure many women will too) in admitting that we're prone to spending 'hours' preening ourselves prior to going on a date and being married doesn't stop it too. Ask the married men here how long it takes for their madams to get ready for Sunday service? As a teenager, you're made aware of that and learn to make allowances.

Now if Mr A has never dated and waits till he's 24 (like you advocate for), how will he learn to make allowances for his girl with regards to time-keeping?

Obinoscopy: There are three bonds available to a teenage kid namely: parent-teenage bond, peer-bond and opposite sex relationship-bond. Once the parent encourages the latter, the first two bonds suffer. This inevitably mean the parent will lose control over the kid. Thus I find it laughable that you think the steps you listed will achieve anything.

On the contrary, I think you'll do well to read and learn, rather than adopt a narrow-tunnelled vision about parents loosing control over their kids. If you as a parent has invested the time and effort into bringing up your kids and even as teenagers, you still find time for them, how on earth do they then lose control over their kids? And why would the parent want to wield control over their teenager? Does that sound like a healthy relationship to you? Or rather the recipe for a breakdown in the parent-teenager relationship? No, rather than trying to control their teenage child to the point of suffocation, the parent(s) would be better off adopting this approach:

Keep in Touch: We should touch base with our teens regularly, even when everything is going smoothly. We can let our teens know what’s going on in our lives and find out what they are up to. Keeping in touch regularly with our teens is one of the most important things we can do as parents. Teens feel their parents care about them when we take an interest in what’s happening in their lives. Teens — like all people — don’t want to feel ignored.

Spend Time Together: Families are very busy these days. Between jobs, chores, and other things, there often is little time left over for enjoying each other’s company. We need to grab whatever time we can to be with our teens. It will help us occupy some of our teen’s free time, and we will get to know our teens better. It will help us build good relationships, and let our teens know we care. One mother, for example, plays basketball with her teen even though she is terrible at it. Whatever it takes — even if it’s just once a week. Or if it’s just a drive to the store together. Your teen will notice if you make time.

Keep Promises: If we make promises to our teens, we must keep them if at all possible. When we are unable to keep our promises because of something that we can’t do anything about, we need to talk with our teens about it. We need to tell them that we are sorry. Our teens need to know they can count on us to keep our word. This is an important part of gaining trust and respect. If we keep our word, they are much more likely to keep theirs.

Treat Our Teens Like Teens: Although our teens are not yet adults, they are no longer children and should not be treated like them. We mustn’t talk down to our teens. We must be honest with them. Statements like, “You’re too young to know about that” are disrespectful of a teen’s ability to understand.

Be Thoughtful: Remember special days. It doesn’t have to be marked with a gift or special activity. We just have to let our teens know we’ve remembered. Every now and then, we can give our teens special little surprises. We might leave a note on our teens’ beds expressing how much we care for them. Or we might make our teens’ favorite meals — just because.

Recognize Special Efforts: We mustn’t take our teens for granted. We need to praise their special efforts, such as doing well on a test, practicing hard for a game or performance, or being particularly kind to someone.

Tell Them We Care: We love our children, but how often do we take the time to tell them? We need to tell our teens how much we care about them, every day. We should make it a habit!

Be Supportive: When our teens have bad days, we can offer a shoulder to lean on. Even though our teens want to be grown up, they still need our support. We need to listen to them sympathetically.

Avoid Hurtful Teasing: Sometimes we tease in a way that puts a person down. We can avoid teasing our children this way — especially in front of others. It really hurts.

Use Humor and Lighten Up: We can use humor with our teens, and be willing to poke fun at ourselves at times. Joking around encourages a positive relationship.

Appreciate Our Teens’ Special Strengths: We must accept our teens for who they are. Statements like, “Why can’t you be more like your older brother?” or “Your sister never gave me this much trouble” don’t help a teen do better. Such comments only make a teen feel bad. Every teen has special strengths. We must recognize these strengths and let our teens know it.

Involve Our Teens in Setting Boundaries and Making Rules: As parents we must help our kids set boundaries and live with rules. But we can give them an active role in deciding what those boundaries and rules are.

Be Real With Our Teens: By communicating openly and often with our teens, they will be able to relate to us as people who are truly concerned about their well-being. We also need to be courteous. Simple courtesies, such as saying “please” and “thank you,” and helping out in small ways go a long way to show how much we care. Basic good manners show caring and respect. And if we give respect, we get it back.

http://www.plannedparenthood.org/parents/parent-teen-relationships-37999.htm

Now tell me, does your approach of control by fire-by-by-force or the method I've listed up there serve for a healthy parent-child relationship with their teenager. Does this not show that there is no need for such power-hungry control as you advocate fore? For the sake of this argument, kindly explain the difference between the peer-bond and opposite sex relationship bond you mention? Does the peer bond not entail members of the opposite sex?

No, the points I've just given go further to buttress my argument that parents should support their teenagers in whatever relationships they involve in. It's all part of growing up, and while growing up, every single aspect should be guided by the parents via showing support and letting their teenage kids know that they have the full support, love and guidance of their parents.
Re: Should parents support teenage relationship for their kids? - Final by Obinoscopy(m): 11:16pm On Nov 30, 2013
Question 3: I find the highlighted bit of your statement interesting. You mention different life stages and the corresponding responsibilities that go with them. You argue against teenagers getting involved in relationships, yet in the same breath, you advocate them participating in community based activities. Will they not meet members of the opposite sex whilst partaking in these activities? And pray, do tell, how will they intermingle, associate, communicate, if not by forming relationships with them? How do you propose they handle this? You do realise that forming relationships is all part of life too? So if you're advocating that they wait till they're adults before they start, will that not give rise to very awkward adults with poor communication skills - simply because they never got the chance to learn one of life's basics?
I think you're getting the definition of teenage relationship all mixed up. Let me make it simple for you. Teenage relationship is analogous to the boyfriend-girlfriend relationship. Reverends, nuns and monks engage in community based activities but are not involved in any form of emotional relationship, be it sexually oriented or not. In the same light, it is very possible for a teenager to mingle with everyone without necessarily indulging in any romantic relationship with a single person
Re: Should parents support teenage relationship for their kids? - Final by Obinoscopy(m): 11:27pm On Nov 30, 2013
Question 4: You've listed a lot of negatives regarding the teenage relationships. But has it occured to you that those negatives occur in the absence of parental guidance?
True, all these negatives occurred in the absence of proper parental guidance. This is because proper parental guidance would have entailed discouraging teenage relationships in its entirety
Re: Should parents support teenage relationship for their kids? - Final by ifyalways(f): 11:29pm On Nov 30, 2013
Obinoscopy: The answer to the bolded question is simple: discourage teenage relationship. A lady cannot conceive if she's not in a relationship with a boy. It behoves on the parents to ensure this by close supervision, counselling and bonding
I don't agree Obino. A lady concieves when she has unprotected seex - could be with a stranger,someone they just met/barely know, of which there is no relationship. Now why would they do that :
Others are doing it. (Peer pressure)
They do not know if its right or wrong.Nobody to ask or talk to as they don't have that intimate parent-child bonding.
etc.

Our children need honest,open,effective,early seeex education,not shame-based,Don't-ask-don't-tell,absitnence-or death preaching. Personal Opinion.
Re: Should parents support teenage relationship for their kids? - Final by Obinoscopy(m): 11:33pm On Nov 30, 2013
I've got colleagues at work - male colleagues who confirmed they're of the old school make. They attended single-sex, all boys schools and confirmed they had problems relating to the opposite sex. Now you compare those men with men who attended mixed schools. Who do you think coped better with
You still get it all wrong. The fact that one attends a mixed school doesn't mean the person is more likely to have a girlfriend than one in a single school
Re: Should parents support teenage relationship for their kids? - Final by Obinoscopy(m): 11:40pm On Nov 30, 2013
ifyalways:
I don't agree Obino. A lady concieves when she has unprotected seex - could be with a stranger,someone they just met/barely know, of which there is no relationship. Now why would they do that :
Others are doing it. (Peer pressure)
True, a lady can have unprotected sex with a stranger and become pregnant. But my argument is that she can as well have sex with the guy she's in a relationship with. Statistics has it that a girl is more likely to have sex with a familiar face than with a stranger.

They do not know if its right or wrong.Nobody to ask or talk to as they don't have that intimate parent-child bonding.
etc.

Our children need honest,open,effective,early seeex education,not shame-based,Don't-ask-don't-tell,absitnence-or death preaching. Personal Opinion.
I totally agree with you on your views. You Never mentioned teenage relationship as one of the solution to teenage pregnancy, this invariably means we are on the same side smiley

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