Bidam: Frsobel why are u a LIAR na rather than address what IMAGE brought to our notice, you are now quoting an OT scripture that has nothing to do with tithing.SMH!

Mark Miwerds: DrummaBoy,

Now you should see why I requested the thread be closed to those who are not part of the discussion.

I have to listen to all the barbs and false accusations. One shouldn't have to wade through a cesspool to swim in clean water. The Bible says "Neither give place to the devil."

Give him an inch, and he will do his best to destroy the saints.

Their agenda is not that truth be known. If it were, they would not come in falsely accusing as they do. Their agenda is to wear down the saints of God.

Mark Miwerds: I agreed to a no bashing discussion with Rhymejohn and the one person he chose as an ally.

It will be impossible to properly discuss the Biblical tithes with the constant accusations being hurled.

Note: I am not pointing fingers at Rhymejohn. He has been gracious in his posts thus far. I believe he and I can have a reasonable and rational discussion.

Image123:
i'm asking for Rhymejohn's permission. He showed interest. i do not get/understand the ally thing. Is it that Mark will say his own, then candour will say his own, then the tither will say his own. How does it work? If anyone is interested in being the ally, no qualms. i'm not using my preferences but theirs. i do await Rhymej's approval though.

frosbel:

Image123 knows my position, besides have you chaps even watched the video ? I doubt it.

Liar Wow !!

My advice to you chaps is stop acting as the Holy Spirit in the lives of God's people, give Jesus a chance to lead his people.

Sin is not defined by you, it is defined by GOD.

Bidam: But you are very much comfortable calling people liars,cheats and fraud without supporting evidences.But when it is your turn to recieve the same treatment you mete to others you talk about the Holy Spirit.Do you know the HoLy Spirit? Do you know He is God and not a force?

frosbel:

You cant call me a Liar, I am not the one using Gods name to cheat and con people out of their money.

Mark Miwerds: DrummaBoy, I just sent you an email with my concerns.

Please respond as soon as possible.

Thanks!

OLAADEGBU:

The rate at which you insult elders who are old enough to be your father shows how you really disrespect your parents.

Joagbaje:

It's sign....

Jude 1:8
Likewise also these filthy dreamers defile the flesh, despise dominion, and speak evil of dignities.

Bidam: No one is using God's name to do that on this forum.Stop being a false accuser of the brethren

[size=16pt]Proposed Rules, Regulations and Format of Presentation for the Tithe Discuss:[/size]

1. During the discussion there shall be no insults, name calling, maligning, critic of churches or ministers, or any intentional bid to make an opponent look bad. The discuss shall be done with the utmost respect of each person involved - conveying the Christian spirit of love. If anyone feels insulted, he shall be reporting the matter to the moderator; who holds the right to call the other person to order. If this is repeated by the same individual who does not take to correction, the discuss shall be suspended to allow for a replacement of that person.

When someone has been proven to have insulted another, he will be required to make an unreserved apology to the other party. The term of replacing a participants will be when he refuses to make this apology.

2. So as to avoid time wastage, posters will be required to state when they will be making their presentations; and if there arise some unforseen circumstance, they should inform the house about it.

3. Let us keep the aim of the discuss at heart: it is not to win an argument but to present the facts that are behind our position on "tithing" or "not tithing".

4. Both sides in one post shall be presenting 10 points each on thier position on tithing. Each point shall be named after the lead discussants on each side. Thus for Rhymeyjohn, his points shall be listed: R1, R2, R3,...., R10. Miwerds, his points will be M1, M2, M3,...., M10. Here is an example for the post by Rhymey

Example:

R1: Tithe is an Eternal Principle (Heb 20:20; Mark 24:2; ....)

R2: Tithe is compulsory (John 25:1; Ezekiel 60:70;....)

Then Miwerds shall make his own presentation in one post M1,...; along with their scriptural positions.

This is neccesary so that we do not repeat points already discussed. Also, if in the procees of discussing point R2, point R7 had been trashed out, by the time you get to point R7, the two groups could agree to skip it.

When a group makes a presentation and the four steps of response is exhausted, the other group will make their own presentation. So for this discuss, I suggest that Ryhmejohn presents his R1 first; to be followed by Miwerds M1; and the discuss will continue in that manner.

5. Presentation will be in this format

a. Presenting a point, say R1 by Ryhmey, titled Presenting R1. When you are done with your presentation, you should state "end"

b. A rebuttal of R1 by Miwerd/Candour titled Rebutting R1.

c. Then a Response to Rebuttal by Rhymey, titled Response to Rebuttal R1.

d. Then a response to response by Miwerds/Candour titled Response to Response R1.

This way each post on the discuss has a name and can be refered to easily later if there is a need to do so. Also, after a point has been trashed out in this four steps outlined above, it should not be revisited again. Not that the point cannot be mentioned in a latter discuss, but that this particular discuss will be considered finished at this point and there will be no need to refer to it again. This is to discourage un-ending hammering of a point. Therefore participants are expected to do a thorough work in the two opportunities they have to present on a point.

6. Time must be permitted for each group to make their presentations. If anyone is handicapped and cannot make his/her presentation as quickly as possible, he/she may refer to the other to help him do it or tell the house when he intends to come and make the presentation.

7. Anybody among the two can make a presentation, however, he/she is expected to title his presentation properly.

8. This discuss is not intended to last a few days; it will probably take some months; so participants are expected to make the required sacrifice.

9. All points to be presented must be backed up by the Holy Bible, the one accepted by most non-Catholic churches.

10. The moderator shall be DrummaBoy. If any of the participants is uncomfortable with my manner of handling things, a change can be agreed upon. Please note that only participants can make suggestions for rules to be changed.

11. Participants hold the right to drop out of the discuss if they want to: due to fatigue or some or unforeseen circumstances. He/she is however advised to nominate a replacement of himself/herself.

12. While participants are not stopped from engaging the "audience", we would like to discourage this; so they can concentrate on the matters being discussed at hand. If such "engagement" does occur, we advice that it should not be to spite another participant or you will be penalized. Opportunity shall be given to the audience to ask questions but only after the discuss is concluded.

13. Participants are requested not to post on any tithe thread that is currently running on the religion section of this forum in the duration that this discuss will hold.

14. To curb excessive waste of time, we hereby request that when the discuss begin and participants are requested to make their presentations, the very first presentation should not take more than 24 hours to be done (with correction and editing). Subsequent responses to that presentation (that is the next three steps) should not take more than 12 hours to be done. If these rules are not adhered to the moderators will have to come up with a commensurate act of penalizing the participants.

Please visit this post over and over again, because in the course of the discussion, amendments will be made as we all agree to them, and we are expected to keep abreast of what the rules are.

So over to Rhymeyjohn, Image123, Mark Miwerds and Candour. What do you guys make of the above?

Bidam: No one is using God's name to do that on this forum.Stop being a false accuser of the brethren

DrummaBoy:

Replied.

DrummaBoy:
Ryhmeyjohn, Image123, Mark Miwerds and Candour are hereby requested to look up the changes that has been made to the proposed rules, regulations and format of presentation as we have agreed so far. Please let us discuss any objection to them. Also you may ask any question on them. And they are still proposed in that they are subject to changes.

Mark Miwerds: Thanks, Brother! Just sent you a Reply to your Reply.

DrummaBoy:
Ryhmeyjohn, Image123, Mark Miwerds and Candour are hereby requested to look up the changes that has been made to the proposed rules, regulations and format of presentation as we have agreed so far. Please let us discuss any objection to them. Also you may ask any question on them. And they are still proposed in that they are subject to changes.

frosbel:

I don't think calling a thief a thief is accusing the brethren , in fact I am on the side of the brethren who are struggling in their daily lives trying to make 2 ends meet, while so called MOG fleece their money to add more misery to their lives.

frosbel: 7 pages even before the DEBATE starts, lol.


I am outta here !

Image123:

Fine. i don't like too many rules. Make i go prepare jare. i'm suggesting the discussion starts on a new thread and a working NL mod be available or at least agreeing to help with necessary clean ups.
What next?

Mark Miwerds: For the duration of the Discussion, providing no underhanded manipulation by opponents, I will agree.

Image123:
Fine. i don't like too many rules. Make i go prepare jare. i'm suggesting the discussion starts on a new thread and a working NL mod be available or at least agreeing to help with necessary clean ups.
What next?

Joagbaje:

Thats satans ministry...

Emmanuel950: I think that it is only the "wolves in sheep clothing" that fleece people of their money to live big. God uses our tithes to maintain his house through his servants.

frosbel:

1. Gods house is his People not your church.

"However, the Most High does not dwell in houses made by human hands; as the prophet says:" - Acts 7:48


2. God does not use money. He expects us to use our money , not to maintain buildings, because he does not dwell in building but :

"For there was not a needy person among them, for all who were owners of land or houses would sell them and bring the proceeds of the sales and lay them at the apostles' feet, and they would be distributed to each as any had need" - [b]Acts 4:34-3[/b]5

DrummaBoy:

Thank you guys.

Awaiting Candour and Rhymejohn though.

Candour:

OK by me.

john107: When i went thru dis thread, i felt lyk weeping. Why are christians so divided? You call urself a Christian, yet u utter abominable words against ur fellow brethren. Can clean water and brackish come forth from d same source? The road to heaven is indeed narrow. By their fruits we shall know them. If only we could abide in love for love is indeed God is love.

Bidam: Can we also assume, it is your ministry. Most of your post and threads are mainly accusations.