plaetton:

Honestly, I cannot believe that you can say something like this.
Therein lies all of the conflicts of humanity.
"My belief is the true one".

It is quite funny that you using and displaying the very mindset that makes religion evil and laughable to justify religion.

plaetton:
You are also displaying a great deal of ignorance if you are unaware that christianity is a contrived religion, made of of the philosophies,myths and traditions of many many ancient cultures.
That is an indisputable historical fact.
So, to say that the true ideas of god are definitely christian shows a level of ignorance that I somehow thought you were well above.

plaetton:
Lie.

Perhaps your own kitchen variety christianity.
And again, this buttresses my point.
Everyone cooks up the perfect religion,the perfect christianity according the their own kitchen ingredients.

The Christianity that came from Palestine, the only one we know for that matter, sees as it's primary legitimate duty, to stand in opposition to , and as a substitute for nature and her regenerate and facund attributes.
And of course, this is Christianity fails, because it is an artificial construct.

plaetton:
Again, the above is as silly as it gets, I am quite shocked that it comes from you, sir.

You seem to have an uncanny obsession with homosexuality, an almost pathological obsession, I must say.
HHHMMMMM!

plaetton:
Arguing against homosexulity from a religious point of view is probably the most stu.p.id thing an enlightened person could do.
Infact, it is the ultimate litmus test for intelligence and enlightenment.

plaetton:
Once again, it showcases the confusion with religious beliefs.

You believe that god created all men, with their different talents and with their different traits, yet god either made an error, or he fell asleep and let the devil slip one on him.
And yet, god sees the error, for 500,000 years since he created humans, he could not correct the error of his creation.
So, he appoints to you christians the task of singling out one of his many errors to hate and discriminate against.
If the above is true , what does that say about your god?

Grow up man, and start thinking.

okeyxyz:


Okay, do you hate and discriminate against poison?
This is precisely what homose.xuality is to the true christian doctrine. I'm not against you being gay, you have the liberty to choose whatever you consider good for yourself. But for me/myself, homose.xuality is a no-go area. It is absolutely unacceptable. You'd understand and respect this if you are truly a secular minded person as you purport to be.

plaetton:

I'm sorry to have to say this , but see how religion renders an otherwise enlightened person utterly stu.p.id.

The question is not whether we as individuals like or dislike homosexuality. as a matter of fact, I do not like homosexuality. I am not required to , and neither are you.
As far as I know, no one is forcing or requiring you to do so.
You get it?.
It is about a fundamental human right to be one's self and free to express one's self. That is what every individual, homosexual or not, male or female, black or while, religious or atheist deserve. It is basic human dignity, which your s.t.up.id religion, throughout it's evil history,? has denied jews, blacks, women, and now homosexuals.

So god hates homosexuals even though he designed and created man? Is he schizophrenic?
According to your bible, god also hates liars, idolators, theives, fornicators, envy, deciet, etc etc. Not so?
Where did he list a heirachy of sins for you to know which sin he hates more than others?

What is the difference in the eyes of your god between homosexual fornication and heterosexual fornication?
One goes to a lesser hell than the other?

Can you see how schizophrenic and moronic your religious morality really is?
A liar, a thief, a tithe fraudster, p.e.d.ophile priest and a religious bigot is much more evil and much more dangerous to me, to you, and to all humanity than the private bedroom activities of homosexual men.

What is your (you religious nuts) obsession with where a man puts his weiner when he is in the privacy of his home?
Should we all, also in the name of religion, obsess ourselves whether you do the missionary style (christian style), doggy style or the much more lascivious mouth action in your own bedroom.
Surely, I do not think that Yahweh would sanction all your bedroom antics, much of which I would not myself approve.
What do you think?.

I do not like homosexuality, in the same way I do not like Sado-masochism. But it's not my call on how people want to express themselves sexually. I have no issues with a human being who happens to be homosexual, and neither should you.

An undue obsession with the so-called sin of homosexuality is a symptom of deeper issues within, and the religious bent on it is just a vehicle for the expression of those deeper issues.

Bullies are always cowards, and haters are always insecure within.

okeyxyz:
... I'm not against you being gay, you have the liberty to choose whatever you consider good for yourself. But for me/myself, homose.xuality is a no-go area....

okeyxyz: it seems @plaetton has shut up, after I expose his aimless shooting at issues that has nothing to do with christian doctrine, yet he deliberately attributes them to be christian. Such smelly dishonesty!!

He says Jesus never existed, I push back with logic, he shuts up
He says christianity is a rehash of ancient religions, I push back by challenging him to proof, he shuts up
He says christian doctrine preaches hate for homose.xuals, I push back with doctrine to the contrary, he shuts up.
He says christianity rejects natural laws, I push back with scriptural evidence, he shuts up.

No be to make noise be the matter, But when dem challenge you, are you able to deliver. Now we know you are just empty, hence the much noise.

plaetton:
So you expect me to continue running in circles with you?.
I have a lot of scriptural evidence from my Spiderman comic books.
I wonder what I need to prove with that?
Clap for yourself.
Well done.

plaetton:

Sure thing Dipardo.

But how am I strange, in the context of my last post?

okeyxyz:

^^^^ This is typical symptom of people who are unable to face proper debate, they resort to humor-shots rather than point-shots. .

Deep Sight:

Please delete your quote which contains my email address. I will expect to hear from you.

You are strange to have as much original insight as you do and yet be atheist.

Deep Sight:
You are strange to say that a religion ought not attack ho.mose.xuality given that religions say that God created all men. It is true: male and female God made them: with specs, to boot.

okeyxyz:

Original!!!! insight LWTMB. Fallacy upon fallacy.... Plaetton don catch you for im trap.

There's nothing insightful about these atheist campaigners. These are simply recitations and slogans they latch onto from their heroes(ala richard dawkins, christopher Hitchens, etc). You know they are not insightful but rather playing to agendas. They pretend to be defenders of liberty but actually their real motive is the dismantling of traditional institutions and redefining values to suit their depraved lusts. Truly, they seem to be everything "anti-family". These people will support anything, no matter how depraved and immoral, as long as it is in opposition to a christian standpoint. Sometime ago, I watched richard dawkins confidently assert that it is better to be continuously se.xually abused as a child than to be raised in a religious home, and shockingly atheists in the audience were gleefully applauding him. These people will attack perfect logic/morals as long as such attack opposes christianity also. A few days ago, I made a perfectly scientifically sound argument, accepted in the scientific community that whatever caused the big-bang that created the universe, then such entity must be timeless, spaceless and immaterial, precisely how the bible describes God as being unobservable\untestable by physical means. This is a sound and accepted opinion in the scientific community, but alas, the atheist @mazaje was spewing fire and brimstone, claiming that this is a lie and that there is no such opinion in the scientific community. Obviously, either he does not understand the big-bang theory or he is deliberately attacking science because it seems to agree with a christian doctrine . Again, Christopher Hitchens was asked a hypothetical question, say: "What if God truly exists for a fact and you know he exists, would you follow him??" and his answer was a blatant "No!!!". Really?? No?? You see how these people will oppose any sound reason as long as they also oppose christianity in doing so.., He would deliberately fight truth and fact just to spite christianity. And these are the people that @plaetton worships SMH

Bros, to know their true natures and intents, just challenge with any true logic but present it under the banner of christianity and you'd see how shockingly they rabidly attack this sound reason. Why?? because it comes from a christian!!. How dare it come from a christain!! SMH...






How can this person assume to opine what christianity(I speak as a christian) should and should not do when he has demonstrated that he knows absolutely nothing of the christian doctrine. He simply takes secular values(which are good and commendable values themselves, and which christianity extols too, but ultimately they are not the main thrust of doctrine, but an addition to doctrine) and sets them up as what christian doctrine should be. He seeks to force christians to believe in certain ideas and force them to behave in certain ways, yet he turns around to say "There must be freedom of and from religion...". If he truly believes in such freedoms, then why does he seek to dictate what christians should be allowed to believe and practice?? Why does he take issue with doctrines that have nothing to do with him?? He claims falsely that christianity preaches hate of homose.xuals, whereas there is no such mandate/command in christian doctrine. Christianity is actually the true secular philosophy in that it states a mandate for believing christians to follow, and absolute nowhere does it command the same disciplines for non-christians. So it is either plaetton is genuinely ignorant of these truths or he is deliberately dishonest is spreading false allegations. He hides behind the cloak of abuses and crimes by people who identify as christian, yet he refuses to acknowledge the fact that non of these abuses/crimes is dictated by christian doctrine. It's just people doing bad things in disregard to doctrinal commands.

Deep Sight:

I actually agree with you: there is nothing whatsoever insightful about atheism: it is rank st.upidity, in my honest opinion.

However, when I describe Plaetton as having original insight: I still mean that - for he has an uncommon mind which delves into deep things such as the energies of the universe, the wellspring of consciousness: and even the possibility of extra terrestrial life. Indeed he even has a very unique take on the real identity of Yahweh as an ET being and the real origins of human civilization. He actually has been so lost in arguments on the existence of God that he has never had the time to really elucidate his very very interesting ideas in that regard.

What is shocking, is that such a mind as his could conclude in favor of atheism. Anyway stranger things have been known to happen.

okeyxyz:

It's simple. The ideas and practices of religions that you are familiar with are simply false. They are so false that secular institutions now recommend what religions are true and worthy of a following. The Pope is voted as Man Of The Year by secular institutions, why?? Because the catholic institution is more interested in appealing to numbers rather than to truth. Most Religions today are nothing but political institutions, they boast of numbers, of who has the biggest cathedrals, of who commands the biggest crowds, of who is more in turn with popular cultures, etc. What you have is religion pursuing secular values, hence they rely on the secular world to approve or condemn right and wrong. These are definitely not true religions.

okeyxyz: ^^^ To start with, the true ideas of God are definitely christian(ie: based on christ, but not the christianity that you are used to). True christianity embraces all things in nature, not forbidding to eat, drink, wear, learn, practice, etc. True christianity stipulates that all things(created by God) are lawful/permissible and therefore cannot defile your holiness/righteousness. There's only one thing that defiles and that is homos.exuality and from which all manner of misbehaviors derive, all complexes, all bitterness, all possessiveness, all fears, etc.

okeyxyz: it seems @plaetton has shut up, after I expose his aimless shooting at issues that has nothing to do with christian doctrine, yet he deliberately attributes them to be christian. Such smelly dishonesty!!

He says Jesus never existed, I push back with logic, he shuts up
He says christianity is a rehash of ancient religions, I push back by challenging him to proof, he shuts up
He says christian doctrine preaches hate for homose.xuals, I push back with doctrine to the contrary, he shuts up.
He says christianity rejects natural laws, I push back with scriptural evidence, he shuts up.

No be to make noise be the matter, But when dem challenge you, are you able to deliver. Now we know you are just empty, hence the much noise.

okeyxyz:

yet you are the one choosing to have issues with my rejection of the same homose.xuality for myself.

okeyxyz:

Tell me, where is it written in christian doctrine that christianity should be forced upon non-christians?

okeyxyz:

Christianity is a discipline(religion) strictly for people who choose to identify with it's truths. If you don't agree with these truths then you are not required to subject yourself to it's disciplines. shikena!!!

okeyxyz:

^^^^ This is typical symptom of people who are unable to face proper debate, they resort to humor-shots rather than point-shots. I sabi your type well, well

plaetton:

Well well, it is not my fault if your head is too opaque to appreciate humor, especially when such humor is laced with factual truths that have unfortunately eluded you.
I do not shoot humor for humor sake. My humor are usually loaded with nutrients for the cranially dexterous.

You see sometimes when simple words are not enough to counter illogic and bullshyt from a fragmented mind, a shot of humor can quickly get the message across, unless, as in this very case, I am dealing with a chronic case of intellectual bulemia.

So take note the next time I crack a joke.

okeyxyz:

Original!!!! insight LWTMB. Fallacy upon fallacy.... Plaetton don catch you for im trap.

There's nothing insightful about these atheist campaigners. These are simply recitations and slogans they latch onto from their heroes(ala richard dawkins, christopher Hitchens, etc).

okeyxyz:

A few days ago, I made a perfectly scientifically sound argument, accepted in the scientific community that whatever caused the big-bang that created the universe, then such entity must be timeless, spaceless and immaterial, precisely how the bible describes God as being unobservable\untestable by physical means.

okeyxyz:

How can this person assume to opine what christianity(I speak as a christian) should and should not do when he has demonstrated that he knows

okeyxyz:

He hides behind the cloak of abuses and crimes committed by people who identify as christian, yet he refuses to acknowledge the fact that non of these abuses/crimes is stipulated by the christian doctrines these people purport to follow. It's just people doing bad things in disregard to doctrinal commands.

okeyxyz: it seems @plaetton has shut up, after I expose his aimless shooting at issues that has nothing to do with christian doctrine, yet he deliberately attributes them to be christian. Such smelly dishonesty!!

He says Jesus never existed, I push back with logic, he shuts up
He says christianity is a rehash of ancient religions, I push back by challenging him to proof, he shuts up
He says christian doctrine preaches hate for homose.xuals, I push back with doctrine to the contrary, he shuts up.
He says christianity rejects natural laws, I push back with scriptural evidence, he shuts up.

No be to make noise be the matter, But when dem challenge you, are you able to deliver. Now we know you are just empty, hence the much noise.

texanomaly:

@Plaetton
I would very much like to hear your views on this subject. Deep Sight as well. I am a Christian, but my views on the bolded are not the norm.

plaetton:
Hi.
Yes.
The Et angle to religion is actually the only way that, and for the religions of the world make proper sense.

All one has to do carefully study ancient scriptures ,and right there, it all leaps out right in front of you with perfect clarity.
Look at the Vedas-ancient Hindus texts whose original authorship are somewhere north of 10,000yrs ago.
Reading some parts of it would be like reading a modern sci-fi novel or star wars and star trek movies.
In it they have beings, the gods in flying machines, called the vemanas, flying in and out of Earth and space, shooting green laser beams at each other.

In the bible, you have the war in heaven in which lucifer, with his host of armies, rebelling against his master in a celestial interplanetary war for supremacy , and I assume, the control of either the earth or another planet in our solar system .

In genesis we hear that the Elohim(plural for El) created man in their likeness. We also read that man was created to till the soil for them. Man , the first set of humans were custom made slaves, and were existing in zombie-like states.
We also read that the Elohim cautioned against granting man self-consciousness and freewill because they feared what the creature might become and probably challenge their authority.

We also read that the serpent ( he who knows the secret of life, in other words, he knows the secrets of DNA), an epithet for one of the high ranking Elohim, entered the scene and altered man's dna once again, but this time, giving man full consciousness and self-awareness.
This is supposed to be, in christian lore, the original sin of Adam.

Further reading in genesis, we see that the chief El threw a lot of tantrums and lamented that " Who did this? the man has become like one of us, knowing good and evil, we must prevent him from eating the tree of life(further DNA tampering to enhance spiritual acuity) lest he eat from it
and live forever.

And there began humankind's problems with angry gods.lol
The rest is history.

But ofcourse there is a lot more to said about humankind's yo yo and rocky relationships with these Extra-terrestial gods, right up till this day.