yes

bypassing the control of the church is dangerous

don't you dare have a personal relationship with jesus or God

hahahah

f-u-c-k you pope

EXACTLY why the Pope does not speak for the majority of Christians.

I wouldn't even call Catholics Christians. They are satanists and don't even know it.

He is going out of his way to include everyone except for Bible-believing Christians into his fold.

His "succession" is built on a lie, paved by heretics, satanists, pedophiles, murderers and specifically, murderers and torturers of Christians who would not succumb to their pagan doctrine.

This is not surprising but just after the Islamic prayers in his "church" made of gold and declaration that Atheists and everyone can get to Heaven w/o Christ (Jesus said "I am the Way the Truth And the Life. NO MAN COMES TO THE FATHER EXCEPT BY ME." tells me the timing is too perfect.

I see this going downhill for us "free-agents" in the next few years.

Even so, Maranatha and God's will be done.

I left that "church" almost 25 years ago, and they'll never get me back.

My Savior is real, while Catholics have a guy with a pointy hat, that sits on a throne in Rome. I'll stick with mine, thank you very much.

The entire Bible is about having a personal relationship with Jesus.

Catholics seem to be always trying to put things between people and Jesus, whether it is their religious rituals or idols of Mary.

I guess that's why the catholic authorities got so angry when people started translating the Bible for english commoners.

He didn't say any personal relationship is dangerous, he just pointed out that involvement in a community of believers is important as a supplement....I interpreted it to mean, though he didn't say it, that it probably helps to keep us honest when we are tempted to rationalize all of our beliefs.

We are all probably involved at arm's length anyway with one or several belief systems (i.e. we benefit from their years of accumulated wisdom) even though we complain about organized religion.

You better not try to have a personal relationship with Jesus.

If you try we will do to you what we did to the believing of the middle ages, remember how we would burn them, strangle them, put them on the rack, remember.

Of course, you're supposed to talk to God through your Priest, Reverend, Pastor, etc, etc...with a Generous Contribution to the Church in the process.

Otherwise you wouldn't need Religion, and they can't have that.

"Obviously, he said, it is not always easy to walk the path of faith with other people. "Sometimes it's tiring. It can happen that a brother or sister creates problems for us or scandalizes us, but the Lord entrusted his message of salvation to human beings, to us, to witnesses," he said.
"It is through our brothers and sisters with their gifts and their limits," the pope said, "that he comes to us and makes himself known. This is what belonging to the church means. Remember: Being Christian means belonging to the church. If your first name is Christian, your last name is Member of the Church."
At the end of his talk, the pope asked people to join him in praying that they would never "give into the temptation of thinking you can do without others, without the church, that you can save yourself, of thinking you can be a laboratory Christian.

Christians, he said, are not manufactured in isolation, but belong to a long line of believers who handed on the faith and challenged one another to live it fully."



I totally agree!

Pastor Olu T: Upholding the church? Little wonder they mostly believe that once u belong to their church u are saved.

Disuading personal relationship which is the foremost to encourage papacy in disguise

Kei144: This topic was posted on an American forum:

Christians are not made in a laboratory, but in a community called the church, Pope Francis said.

At his weekly general audience Wednesday, Pope Francis continued his series of audience talks about the church, telling an estimated 33,000 people that there is no such thing as "do-it-yourself" Christians or "free agents" when it comes to faith.

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Pope Francis described as "dangerous" the temptation to believe that one can have "a personal, direct, immediate relationship with Jesus Christ without communion with and the mediation of the church."

http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message2586360/pg1

I will post some of the replies.

italo:

At every mass, Jesus offers me his whole self: body, blood, soul and divinity. He comes into my body and my soul.

italo:

Show me where a Christian in the Bible existed without the Church.

PastorOluT:

Who is talking about without d church?

And a question for u;

* What is the church, local n universal?

* What does it mean to have a personal relationship with Jesus?

A serious look at this two questions reveals what is wrong with that speech.

italo:

You can't show where a Christian existed in the Bible without the Church...

...that is because this 'only me and Jesus' doctrine of yours is not of God.

italo:

You can't show where a Christian existed in the Bible without the Church...

...that is because this 'only me and Jesus' doctrine of yours is not of God.

PastorOluT:

Smile, I give up on ur finally (though I know God will never anyways), if what u can still deduce from what I post is without the church?

Kei144:

Mk. 16:16 Whoever believes and is baptised will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned.

The problem with the Roman Catholic Church is that when it enters a new place, its missionaries just get people to come to Church and get baptized. When they have been baptized, the church now begins to teach them about God, Jesus Christ, Holy Spirit, Virgin Mary, St. Anthony of Padua, Novenna, mass, etc. What matters most is being a member of the church; the members may not really take any of these teachings seriously.

But the Bible says that believing in Jesus is the starting point, followed by repentance from sins. Only those who satisfy these prior conditions are qualified to be baptized into the Church.

italo: @OP, your topic is false.

The Pope never condemned "any" personal relationship with Jesus. He condemned supposed personal relationship "without" the Church.

Please change the topic in the spirit of honesty.

And the Pope's statement is even backed by scripture. Scripture never encourages such a personal relationship, but condemns it in many ways. I will give you instances if you cannot remember them.

I am Catholic and I have have a personal relationship with Jesus Christ. Infact, because I'm Catholic, through the Church, I have a more personal relationship with Jesus than you, a non-Catholic, can ever dream of.

At every mass, Jesus offers me his whole self: body, blood, soul and divinity. He comes into my body and my soul.

It cannot get more personal than that...and that cannot happen without the Catholic Church.