alakid:

So we are in agreement that an MLS is an MLS and a pathologist is a pathologist, no more saying you own the Lab!

Contine to twists facts. I took your pathologists to court on the leadership of the medical laboratory. I threw them my books, and the courts upheld that i manage and control my lab as encapsulated in the federal gazette of the Medical Lab Council laws adopted by both the senate and HOR and signed by the President as a Nigerian law. It is a simple matter but you just want to dance around.

The court's verdicts---> run your clinical services as pathologists under your directorate, The Scientist should run their medical laboratory under their directorate. Anyone who understands this simple verdict should question the contents of his skull. We Scientists didn't make the law. Are we lawmakers.

Simple question What's the difference between an MLS and a pathologist--->

An MLS runs all the tests in the lab in the different departments: hematology, blood bank, micro, chemistry etc. The pathologist interfaces with the other clinical providers, and does autopsy. PATHOLOGISTS DO NOT RUN LAB TESTS.

They are different professionals, one does not seek to forcibly head the other.
This is for those who are still confused.

Rilamaka:
And I know as a Nigerian living in Nigeria (as it seems) you may not be able to understand the full implications of company policies. But if you do that makes my job easier as a result I can't go about spilling my hospital's director's name on social media just because I want to prove a point.
Google baby and you will improve your existing knowledge.

Rilamaka:

Embrace Google baby...

You really got jokes.

Why should I be the one to embrace google. I would tell you that CMD stands for Chief medical Director, and they are always MDs.

But you seem to know something that I don't.

And I know that nobody has all the knowledge, so I humbly ask you to guide me, so that I may upgrade my knowledge.

And it is extremely ignorant of you to think that everybody who is on this forum is in Nigeria or to think you can bully your way through discussions.

This is an almost anonymous forum dear. Anybody could be anywhere. Maybe you just walked past me in the ghettos of Lag city

ziga:



You really got jokes.

Why should I be the one to embrace google. I would tell you that CMD stands for Chief medical Director, and they are always MDs.

But you seem to know something that I don't.

And I know that nobody has all the knowledge, so I humbly ask you to guide me, so that I may upgrade my knowledge.

And it is extremely ignorant of you to think that everybody who is on this forum is in Nigeria or to think you can bully your way through discussions.

This is an almost anonymous forum dear. Anybody could be anywhere. Maybe you just walked past me in the ghettos of Lag city

Honey that's why I put "as it seems" in parentheses.

YourHealthlabs:

Lmao!, Bruises all over your boyish ego,

I'll have you dragged on the ground all over this thread, and i mean it.

You say you are super-specialist? . let me have a good laugh for a sec.

Oh come on! 200L medical students will cover their faces in shame at your horrible level of grasp and brain power. Just read up the babbles you stringed up there.

My specialty is not just to know bottles, i pointed out that a Med. lab assistant is even more qualified than your puffy goons with empty skulls in technical lab matters and was able to school your stethoscope-hanging types who can't bend down and learn.

You say you a "super-specialist"?, brother the signs are not there. What am i saying? Whatever is in an empty gourd is more valuable than what's in that cranium you carry up there. Everyone can see that.
I want to still believe the wardguys are more intelligent than this so desist from calling yourself one and dragging them in thick mud with you. Ok?

Boy, I've asked your seniors who claim to know everything in the lab few 200L questions but with their high population and supposedly "high I.Q" here, none have been able to even attempt. I'm damn sure if it were a question about sample bottles and PCV(an assistant's job), they'll pounce on it.

I'll reproduce it here

----> "Why do we preferably run H-D
method on wet mounts?, Can you
also tell us the role of trimethoprim in
the constitution of S-medium for
isolation of microaerophilic, catalase-
variables?".
............................................................................................................................................................................

Now Mr fake, attempt it and prove to us you are an "Ultra-super-specialist" or go hide in your classroom, till you pass your first ever "in-course". Bloody scamp!

blah blah blah... trying hard to prove yourself with even stuff the public know is googled and regurgitated on the thread, setting questions like a primary school student....it even shows how dumb you are, stupid child... talking about trimetoprim etc like if he knows what exactly it is... thank God for the internet, we now know you exist...consultant MLS shebi? hahahahahahahahhahahahahahah...dumb

everything you do betrays your IQ and it is not surprising that you are where you are, buried in one recess in the hospital, unnoticed, rightly neglected and grasping for straws to prove relevance.

when i say i am something, i dont need to repeat it, if you need more info, you'll have to pay for it. no free intel o for you to impress your 'patients'. people like you are the ones that usually sneak in through the back door in clinics trying to get your relations to jump the queue, maybe you should have set up a clinic with your limited knowledge of culture media and start killing them one by one.
i can see you have a need to prove yourself to the gallery, i guess the pressure is intense mr or rather pharm. consultant 'whatever'... go ahead. what kind of person opens an account on an anonymous site with the moniker 'yourhealthlabs'? and right off the bat starts mouthing off nonsense
You have been the one opening threads like you have no other job, ranting here about people that will ALWAYS BE ABOVE YOU no matter what you do...all your posts are doctors this, doctors that ... they'are giving you nightmares shebi? if you fail out and cant make the cut, stop trying hard to prove that you should have been it... it's painful, we know, but if you need counselling, go the right places not nairaland... pls remain in your cubicle in the lab and retain your quackery there with your cleaner, painter and gatemen buddies in JOHESU...
to get to where i am will feel like an unending marathon for your low quality brain, guess that is why you are so old as you emphasize without having achieved anything.
NOTE: after you finish copying and pasting, and when the strike ends with us strolling back in our pristine ward coats while you bow as usual, and i hope to continue hearing your wailing on the thread anytime i log in, damn town crier

YourHealthlabs:

Contine to twists facts. I took your pathologists to court on the leadership of the medical laboratory. I threw them my books, and the courts upheld that i manage and control my lab as encapsulated in the federal gazette of the Medical Lab Council laws adopted by both the senate and HOR and signed by the President as a Nigerian law. It is a simple matter but you just want to dance around.

The court's verdicts---> run your clinical services as pathologists under your directorate, The Scientist should run their medical laboratory under their directorate. Anyone who understands this simple verdict should question the contents of his skull. We Scientists didn't make the law. Are we lawmakers.

Simple question What's the difference between an MLS and a pathologist--->

An MLS runs all the tests in the lab in the different departments: hematology, blood bank, micro, chemistry etc. The pathologist interfaces with the other clinical providers, and does autopsy. PATHOLOGISTS DO NOT RUN LAB TESTS.

They are different professionals, one does not seek to forcibly head the other.
This is for those who are still confused.

lies lies lies... the problem is that you underestimate the public, they have google! you are a trained technician who always needs to be supervised...simple, deal with it
i havent seen doctors opening threads and trying to market themselves, if you are that important, people will bloody well know... see agbero wan be VC...lol

YourHealthlabs:

Mr, there are advances in medical sciences, the curriculum was evaluated and it was clearly understood that being a Generalist-Scientist will entail the filling of pre-existing knowledge gaps. B.MLS was borne on that premise. It is an Internationally recognized degree.

http://www.unb.ca/academics/programs/undergrad/fr/medical/
https://www.qut.edu.au/study/courses/bachelor-of-medical-laboratory-science
http://www.massey.ac.nz/massey/learning/programme-course-paper/programme.cfm?prog_id=92410

Let me ask you a simple question. How do you expect someone with just a degree in physiology to understand the isolation of different Vibro sp and biotypes?. How do you expect someone with a degree in microbiology to carry out the principles and procedures of microtomy, fixation, and the study of hemoglobinopathies in the lab. Use your head now. If he fails in his duty, won't your allo-guys be the first to ridicule him and call him demeaning names? Won't you be the first to call for his head if does a wrong cross-match and kills a patient with a wrong pint of blood.

Stop pretending you are fighting for them, some of them have become industrial and public analysts and they are very smart to understand that you are simply looking for cheap allies to carry your baggage in your war against Scientists. Trust me they are not fooled by your "fake sympathy".

As for running autopsy and what not, i work within the ambit of my profession, i don't cross lines like you lots. I won't do the job of a pathologist in morbid section, have never claimed to. I also do not expect you a pathologist to do my job, it is illegal can only be seen as quackery.

suddenly you are not the pathologist and everything is revealed... i thought you knew everything? as far as i know, medical microbiology is still part of pathology and i have a senior resident microbiologist and consultant that i discuss with not technicians that have been shown how to culture bacteria and they are all over the moon about it. the pathologist oversee any work you do... true or false?

dumodust:
blah blah blah... trying hard to prove yourself with even stuff the public know is googled and regurgitated on the thread, setting questions like a primary school student....it even shows how dumb you are, stupid child... talking about trimetoprim etc like if he knows what exactly it is... thank God for the internet, we now know you exist...consultant MLS shebi? hahahahahahahahhahahahahahah...dumb

everything you do betrays your IQ and it is not surprising that you are where you are, buried in one recess in the hospital, unnoticed, rightly neglected and grasping for straws to prove relevance.

when i say i am something, i dont need to repeat it, if you need more info, you'll have to pay for it. no free intel o for you to impress your 'patients'. people like you are the ones that usually sneak in through the back door in clinics trying to get your relations to jump the queue, maybe you should have set up a clinic with your limited knowledge of culture media and start killing them one by one.
i can see you have a need to prove yourself to the gallery, i guess the pressure is intense mr or rather pharm. consultant 'whatever'... go ahead. what kind of person opens an account on an anonymous site with the moniker 'yourhealthlabs'? and right off the bat starts mouthing off nonsense
You have been the one opening threads like you have no other job, ranting here about people that will ALWAYS BE ABOVE YOU no matter what you do...all your posts are doctors this, doctors that ... they'are giving you nightmares shebi? if you fail out and cant make the cut, stop trying hard to prove that you should have been it... it's painful, we know, but if you need counselling, go the right places not nairaland... pls remain in your cubicle in the lab and retain your quackery there with your cleaner, painter and gatemen buddies in JOHESU...
to get to where i am will feel like an unending marathon for your low quality brain, guess that is why you are so old as you emphasize without having achieved anything.
NOTE: after you finish copying and pasting, and when the strike ends with us strolling back in our pristine ward coats while you bow as usual, and i hope to continue hearing your wailing on the thread anytime i log in, damn town crier

Long epistle, same nonsense.

You really wanna have the last word abi?
Alright i'll let you do but not before letting you understand that everyone can visualize how pained you are that a supposedly "ordinary lab guy" is giving you an "ultra-super-specialist" a cerebral beat-down in public glare. Mr wardboy, my job has taken me to places you may only dream of, with some awards in my kitty to prove it. Where i work i enjoy schooling your seniors, but they stand behind me when i mount my bench whispering in low tones while i do my job and then teach them only what they need to know in order to request the right lab tests. Now who "bows to the other"( borrowing your words).


There are cool wardguys, and we do each other certain favours. If Mr doc A, a friend brings his or (his family member's sample) begs to have it run i can decide to push it forward, ignoring my records and stipulated turn-around-time and sign off his results without paying a dime, off-record.
It's within my power. He also returns the favour in the ward if need be. Boy, it's mutual. You see?

I'm not too confident you'll grasp these little stuffs as everyone can see you have thick berlin walls as a skull. I'll leave here so you can have your last word my friend.

adios.

dumodust:
lies lies lies... the problem is that you underestimate the public, they have google! you are a trained technician who always needs to be supervised...simple, deal with it
i havent seen doctors opening threads and trying to market themselves, if you are that important, people will bloody well know... see agbero wan be VC...lol

haha!
how does someone who doesn't understand simple scientific question about wet-mount and catalase-variables even with google supervise my work.
Boy, go to bed, you'll be late for lectures tomorrow.

..and brush up your lingual skills, they are too poor for an "Ultra-super-specialist" that you claim to be. If you wan be 419 at least try and be smart in it.

Nurse your pain. Wardmugu.

Rilamaka:


It will do you and your likes a whole lot of good to come down from the self important horses you are riding. The world does not revolve around doctors especially not Nigerian doctors.

Bloody ambassadors of mediocrity.

this!

dumodust:
lies lies lies... the problem is that you underestimate the public, they have google! you are a trained technician who always needs to be supervised...simple, deal with it
i havent seen doctors opening threads and trying to market themselves, if you are that important, people will bloody well know... see agbero wan be VC...lol

d harder u try, d clearer it shows dat u are actually dumber dan u virtually seem. Try harder, d truth dey say, is always BITTER. Dejected stethoscope hangers.

Rilamaka:


I have replied to this message but it seems to have disappeared.

How do u mean blunder? You are the one who is completely misunderstanding me and who actually needs to be corrected over and over again and to be honest I am getting tired of repea ting myself.

Is it that you don't understand English or that you lack the ability to make empirical deductions in other to come to an objective conclusion or that you are incredibly slow?

I don't know if it's the need to protect bruised ego that makes you stubbornly cling to this "one example of me working in a private hospital that's headed by a Nurse" whilst ignoring the bigger picture and missing the whole point (or you would like me to think so).

The point I was trying to make right from my first post is that all the hospitals in the UK, NHS or Private do not reserve the number one position for anyone because they have medical degree instead one can run the hospital if they "possess the skills, are trained and are competent to do so!"

One can be the number one personnel in any hospital in the UK regardless of their background and in Nigeria the no 1 position in the teaching hospital is usually the CMD which is equivalent to the Chairman of any NHS hospital and Medical/Hospital Director in any private hospital respectively. Now that's my fvcking point.

I didn't think u were this slow... men...

Blunder, because I sighted the private hospital I work for as an additional example? And you jumped on that? really? Didn't you read my first post? Can't you understand that I was expanding? Giving more examples? Jesus Christ!

Dear Nurse, there's nothing like number 1 position. Understand? A foundation is a foundation. Are you not supposed to know simple stuffs?

A church can be a foundation. A university can be a foundation. So are hospitals. In the foundations, the post of CEO can be occupied by anyone.

A foundation can also have many hospitals. In such a case, the CEO of the foundation stays the same. But each hospital will have Medical Directors. Same thing if a church owns a 5 universities, the CEO stays the same, the universities would have their VCs.

Saying that the CMD is under the CEO does not tally with what we are saying in Nigeria. If you are to use the same concept here, the VC is under the CEO or the proprietary excecutives of the foundation. Does that go any far in the Nigerian concept? No.

Nigeria does not run a a foundation, and where it does in the hospital system, it is treated separate. You are comparing apple with oranges my dear.

Just to show that you are arguing from credulity. I did my residency training in UCH, there are two parts of the same hospital. The mainstream hospital and the Private Suite part, which runs like a venture. This part is managed by a manager, who is not a doctor. They use the same hospital consultants as the main Hospital, and all same personnel but it's run separately. Same CMD however, different board of directors.. But it's self maintained and independent. And the price is a far cry from what the main hospital charges.(almost 500% that of the main hospital )

Our regular hospitals in Nigeria do not run like that. So before you compare what they do in some hospitals.(Foundation and Trust) in uk with the regular situation in another country, make sure at least you place them on the same level, remove differing factors. Until then, you are merely arguing from ignorance. Of both the uk and the country you are comparing uk with.

Don't let your emotion take the best of ya.

Rilamaka:


I have replied to this message but it seems to have disappeared.

How do u mean blunder? You are the one who is completely misunderstanding me and who actually needs to be corrected over and over again and to be honest I am getting tired of repea ting myself.

Is it that you don't understand English or that you lack the ability to make empirical deductions in other to come to an objective conclusion or that you are incredibly slow?

I don't know if it's the need to protect bruised ego that makes you stubbornly cling to this "one example of me working in a private hospital that's headed by a Nurse" whilst ignoring the bigger picture and missing the whole point (or you would like me to think so).

The point I was trying to make right from my first post is that all the hospitals in the UK, NHS or Private do not reserve the number one position for anyone because they have medical degree instead one can run the hospital if they "possess the skills, are trained and are competent to do so!"

One can be the number one personnel in any hospital in the UK regardless of their background and in Nigeria the no 1 position in the teaching hospital is usually the CMD which is equivalent to the Chairman of any NHS hospital and Medical/Hospital Director in any private hospital respectively. Now that's my fvcking point.

I didn't think u were this slow... men...

Blunder, because I sighted the private hospital I work for as an additional example? And you jumped on that? really? Didn't you read my first post? Can't you understand that I was expanding? Giving more examples? Jesus Christ!

[quote author=Rilamaka]

Dear Nurse, there's nothing like number 1 position. Understand? A foundation is a foundation. Are you not supposed to know simple stuffs?

A church can be a foundation. A university can be a foundation. So are hospitals. In the foundations, the post of CEO can be occupied by anyone.

A foundation can also have many hospitals. In such a case, the CEO of the foundation stays the same. But each hospital will have Medical Directors. Same thing if a church owns a 5 universities, the CEO stays the same, the universities would have their VCs.

Saying that the CMD is under the CEO does not tally with what we are saying in Nigeria. If you are to use the same concept here, the VC is under the CEO or the proprietary excecutives of the foundation. Does that go any far in the Nigerian concept? No.

Nigeria does not run a a foundation, and where it does in the hospital system, it is treated separate. You are comparing apple with oranges my dear.

Just to show that you are arguing from credulity. I did my residency training in UCH, there are two parts of the same hospital. The mainstream hospital and the Private Suite part, which runs like a venture. This part is managed by a manager, who is not a doctor. They use the same hospital consultants as the main Hospital, and all same personnel but it's run separately. Same CMD however, different board of directors.. But it's self maintained and independent. And the price is a far cry from what the main hospital charges.(almost 500% that of the main hospital )

Our regular hospitals in Nigeria do not run like that. So before you compare what they do in some hospitals.(Foundation and Trust) in uk with the regular situation in another country, make sure at least you place them on the same level, remove differing factors. Until then, you are merely arguing from ignorance. Of both the uk and the country you are comparing uk with.

Don't let your emotion take the best of ya.

YourHealthlabs:

Contine to twists facts. I took your pathologists to court on the leadership of the medical laboratory. I threw them my books, and the courts upheld that i manage and control my lab as encapsulated in the federal gazette of the Medical Lab Council laws adopted by both the senate and HOR and signed by the President as a Nigerian law. It is a simple matter but you just want to dance around.

The court's verdicts---> run your clinical services as pathologists under your directorate, The Scientist should run their medical laboratory under their directorate. Anyone who understands this simple verdict should question the contents of his skull. We Scientists didn't make the law. Are we lawmakers.

Simple question What's the difference between an MLS and a pathologist--->

An MLS runs all the tests in the lab in the different departments: hematology, blood bank, micro, chemistry etc. The pathologist interfaces with the other clinical providers, and does autopsy. PATHOLOGISTS DO NOT RUN LAB TESTS.

They are different professionals, one does not seek to forcibly head the other.
This is for those who are still confused.

Right there! I stop you. You are mixing the point. You have your right to own a medical laboratory even if you didn't go to court. No contest. But a pathology laboratory is by no means your territory. A pathology laboratory is a step ahead of a medical laboratory.

You said you didn't make the laws, but we do know that most of our laws are borne out of the ignorance of those that make them. In fact going by all sort of stupidity that's going on on this forum, it's evident that most Nigerians have a lot of misconception about the hospital system because it's too complex.. and these are the same set of people who would be elected into legislature making our laws, and those in the Industrial Courts, too obtaining their misinformation from Google search and make some unjust comparison with other countries (not knowing that the situation in those countries too is causing internal raucous, which they aren't aware of), ; they even dance to political pressure and held sway by the sophistry and deceptive argument of the petitioners.

This is what's running the country down. Mediocres in the sensitive places.

YourHealthlab,

To butress the point that people that make our laws are mediocres, I want to qoute you:

"The court's verdicts---> run your clinical services as pathologists under your directorate, The Scientist should run their medical laboratory under their directorate. Anyone who understandsthis simple verdict should question the contents of his skull. We Scientists didn't make the law. Are we lawmakers."

YOU are not lawmakers. But you and the lawmakers have many traits in common: you don't understand many things.

Firstly a verdict that says the pathologists.should run their "clinical " services under whatever directorate is bogus, and drawn by a mediocre or is "bought" with naira. Pathologists are not clinical medicine professionals. They don't have any business in the clinic. It is laboratory medicine. They don't see patients, and when they do, their patients are dead bodies or take biopsy samples from certain categories of live patients.

I wonder when this country will get it right.

skelewu74:

Abeg go and sit down, at least I am happy that you get my point.

Lol he's even disputing if there's any thing like no 1 position or not. Chai

Reflective thinking is not for everyone.

Rilamaka:

Abeg go and sit down, at least I am happy that you get my point.

Lol he's even disputing if there's any thing like no 1 position or not. Chai

Reflective thinking is not for everyone.

Your emotion is taking the best of ya, Rilamaka and you are arguing from incredulity.

My point is a serious person doesn't use an exception in one place to establish the norm in another. Hasn't anybody taught you that?

About no1 person, what I wanted you to realise is that what makes a number one depends on the kind of system you are running. You cannot compare a presidential system or parliamentary system straight jacketed.

Try and know what you are saying first before you attempt to sell it to others.

OK?

skelewu74:

Your emotion is taking the best of ya, Rilamaka and you are arguing from incredulity.

My point is a serious person doesn't use an exception in one place to establish the norm in another. Hasn't anybody taught you that?

About no1 person, what I wanted you to realise is that what makes a number one depends on the kind of system you are running. You cannot compare a presidential system or parliamentary system straight jacketed.

Try and know what you are saying first before you attempt to sell it to others.

OK?

Again like I said, "Reflective thinking is not for every one".

You are not an intelligent person so to speak.

If you are not tired of this post already, I dont know what else I can tell you, I only argue with people who are capable of making empirical deductions and at the same time objective in their sense of judgement and reasoning.

Clearly you lack this skills, so I think I will divert my energy to another post.

Happy CMD position grabbing and retaining, like it would improve the debilitating and already dead and decayed health sector (under the leadership of doctors) in Nigeria in anyway

YourHealthlabs:

haha!
how does someone who doesn't understand simple scientific question about wet-mount and catalase-variables even with google supervise my work.
Boy, go to bed, you'll be late for lectures tomorrow.

..and brush up your lingual skills, they are too poor for an "Ultra-super-specialist" that you claim to be. If you wan be 419 at least try and be smart in it.

Nurse your pain. Wardmugu.

keep looking for vindication... sorry , u wont find it on earth, my qualifications are internationally tried, tested and settled , yours on the other hand is an issue of what exactly you are and thst is why you've been shouting yourself hoarse on all the threads....lol... keep hustling, you may make it

sisiafrika: d harder u try, d clearer it shows dat u are actually dumber dan u virtually seem. Try harder, d truth dey say, is always BITTER. Dejected stethoscope hangers.

I dont converse for long with people with serious identity issues... stupid ranting transvestite or rather trans-sexual that has refused to clearly state the profession of which she is clearly proud if

YourHealthlabs:

Long epistle, same nonsense.

You really wanna have the last word abi?
Alright i'll let you do but not before letting you understand that everyone can visualize how pained you are that a supposedly "ordinary lab guy" is giving you an "ultra-super-specialist" a cerebral beat-down in public glare. Mr wardboy, my job has taken me to places you may only dream of, with some awards in my kitty to prove it. Where i work i enjoy schooling your seniors, but they stand behind me when i mount my bench whispering in low tones while i do my job and then teach them only what they need to know in order to request the right lab tests. Now who "bows to the other"( borrowing your words).


There are cool wardguys, and we do each other certain favours. If Mr doc A, a friend brings his or (his family member's sample) begs to have it run i can decide to push it forward, ignoring my records and stipulated turn-around-time and sign off his results without paying a dime, off-record.
It's within my power. He also returns the favour in the ward if need be. Boy, it's mutual. You see?

I'm not too confident you'll grasp these little stuffs as everyone can see you have thick berlin walls as a skull. I'll leave here so you can have your last word my friend.

adios.

like I previously said, if I need favours from the lab... they have knowledgeable doctors called pathologists to help me... you will be hiding behind as usual in your dimly lit corner
if you like talk from here to morocco, you can never be more than what you are
Now go hang out with your cleaner buddies... before you taint me with your low quality life

The profile grabs of yourhealthlabs are shown below... almost all threads and posts are about doctors or attacking them
Are u obsessed or just frankly psychotic
See your pathetic life... jobless scrouge

dumodust:
I dont converse for long with people with serious identity issues... stupid ranting transvestite or rather trans-sexual that has refused to clearly state the profession of which she is clearly proud if

u have awkward fantasies. Visit a psychologist.

Rilamaka:

Again like I said, "Reflective thinking is not for every one".

You are not an intelligent person so to speak.

If you are not tired of this post already, I dont know what else I can tell you, I only argue with people who are capable of making empirical deductions and at the same time objective in their sense of judgement and reasoning.

Clearly you lack this skills, so I think I will divert my energy to another post.

Happy CMD position grabbing and retaining, like it would improve the debilitating and already dead and decayed health sector (under the leadership of doctors) in Nigeria in anyway

You would need your head checked, Oh dear nurse. Normal people don't point to an exception in say Uk, or Kwait (something he doesn't even understand in their own context) and seek to use it to establish a norm in other places.

Is that how you do in nursing? It's like this NHS stuff is freaking you, but you don't even understand the implications of running an entity as a Trust, or a Foundation. I am really scared talking to you. If your skull is not too thick for this to penetrate, get in sunk in that those hospitals are run as corporations and what you are having there is not different from what you expect from the running of corporate holdings.

You are not only deficient in understanding administration of health systems but also that of corporate affairs.
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trust_law

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trust_law

AGAIN, our hospitals are not corporate holdings. They are not independent. We run the conventional hospital management system, which is still operating in UK too. The Trusts and Foundation Trusts you are bragging about are not all there are to uk health system. And its merit is still being debated:

//Initial reservationsAt the outset some critics pointed out that Foundation Trusts go against the spirit of the principles laid out by Aneurin Bevan (who founded the NHS). Others feared that it would lead to a two-tier system. [11]Others doubted whether the Foundation Trust members would succeed in having any effective influence over hospital management. A study undertaken in 2005 by the King's Fund of Homerton University Hospital NHS Foundation Trustfound some governors disappointed and disillusioned. Another report found that it was too easy to invite members to sit on sub-committees, where they quickly became bogged down in the minutiae of operational planning, whilst the main decisions were taken at meetings that they only heard about after they took place.[12]This study was funded by theNuffield Foundation.//

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/NHS_foundation_trust

As you can see from above, this thing you are talking about is a later comer to the NHS. Introduced barely 8years ago, and not universal. That must tell you that the England's hospitals have reached the elevated status they are through the conventional way.

You claimed its because doctors have always been at the management of Nigerian hospital that we are where we are today. Oh, silly you. And if you have the intellect to understand simple things, you would easily deduce that it's government attitudes to its own institutions that messed everything up, and the health sector is no exception. Look at NIPOST, NITEL, Railway system, Educational institutions. This is problem from bad governance. And Every sector has its share of it.

I do not expect you to understand anything I said here. You have demonstrated your lack of ability to make just comparison. And even when the facts are laid before you, you can't see.

sisiafrika: u have awkward fantasies. Visit a psychologist.

you urgently need it too

skelewu74:

You would need your head checked, Oh dear nurse. Normal people don't point to an exception in say Uk, or Kwait (something he doesn't even understand in their own context) and seek to use it to establish a norm in other places.

Is that how you do in nursing? It's like this NHS stuff is freaking you, but you don't even understand the implications of running an entity as a Trust, or a Foundation. I am really scared talking to you. If your skull is not too thick for this to penetrate, get in sunk in that those hospitals are run as corporations and what you are having there is not different from what you expect from the running of corporate holdings.

You are not only deficient in understanding administration of health systems but also that of corporate affairs.
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trust_law

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trust_law

AGAIN, our hospitals are not corporate holdings. They are not independent. We run the conventional hospital management system, which is still operating in UK too. The Trusts and Foundation Trusts you are bragging about are not all there are to uk health system. And its merit is still being debated:

//Initial reservationsAt the outset some critics pointed out that Foundation Trusts go against the spirit of the principles laid out by Aneurin Bevan (who founded the NHS). Others feared that it would lead to a two-tier system. [11]Others doubted whether the Foundation Trust members would succeed in having any effective influence over hospital management. A study undertaken in 2005 by the King's Fund of Homerton University Hospital NHS Foundation Trustfound some governors disappointed and disillusioned. Another report found that it was too easy to invite members to sit on sub-committees, where they quickly became bogged down in the minutiae of operational planning, whilst the main decisions were taken at meetings that they only heard about after they took place.[12]This study was funded by theNuffield Foundation.//

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/NHS_foundation_trust

As you can see from above, this thing you are talking about is a later comer to the NHS. Introduced barely 8years ago, and not universal. That must tell you that the England's hospitals have reached the elevated status they are through the conventional way.

You claimed its because doctors have always been at the management of Nigerian hospital that we are where we are today. Oh, silly you. And if you have the intellect to understand simple things, you would easily deduce that it's government attitudes to its own institutions that messed everything up, and the health sector is no exception. Look at NIPOST, NITEL, Railway system, Educational institutions. This is problem from bad governance. And Every sector has its share of it.

I do not expect you to understand anything I said here. You have demonstrated your lack of ability to make just comparison. And even when the facts are laid before you, you can't see.

..........dont you just love arguements based on facts? see links.. that is what i want to see on this and other threads instead of insults. thank you brother

phantom: ..........dont you just love arguements based on facts? see links.. that is what i want to see on this and other threads instead of insults. thank you brother

Thank you too, brother. Thought you saw it when she earlier insulted me?

skelewu74:

Thank you too, brother. Thought you saw it when she earlier insulted me?

dont worry about that.she came across to me as a sensible person.if you feel insulted,tell her. she ll apologise.

phantom: dont worry about that.she came across to me as a sensible person.if you feel insulted,tell her. she ll apologise.

I don't care what she came to you as. She calls for it; I give it to her. No time for nonsense. I tell you.

skelewu74:

I don't care what she came to you as. She calls for it; I give it to her. No time for nonsense. I tell you.

why not commit suicide? Isn't it easier? Or just transfer d aggression to d closest nurse to u, ur wife I guess. Simple! Muchechecheche

skelewu74:

My dear, you are not independent. You are mid-level practisioners. You are not allowed to do a lot of things. So if you think you are independent, maybe that's on a web page or inside your books.

You are responsible to the doctor. I wonder why I am telling this to a nurse. Are you not supposed to know this?

I dont like dragging issues like this with your kind of character your mind is made up already and your only fear remains Change.embrace it see how it does you a whole lot of good.

sisiafrika: why not commit suicide? Isn't it easier? Or just transfer d aggression to d closest nurse to u, ur wife I guess. Simple! Muchechecheche

Are you not the mad woman they are talking about? You should be housed in a mental asylum. Your next idiotic statement will clearly confirm your mental illness. Oya say it.

skelewu74:

Are you not the mad woman they are talking about? You should be housed in a mental asylum. Your next idiotic statement will clearly confirm your mental illness. Oya say it.