5minsmadness:
At least its only the bolded you disagreed with me on.

These 'doctors' you mentioned are well known people and do not work in the health sector. Nobody is going to meet okonjo-iweala and ask her to treat them for malaria.

There is enough confusion in the health sector as it is with all of you wearing lab coats that we don't even know who the real doctors are anymore.

Be proud of your own profession or if you envy doctors so much and want to treat patients like them, go to medical school. Its open to everyone and am sure nobody will object.

Sweetliver: JP,I have read your write up and it's obvious on whose camp your are in. Have you taken time to read the 24 demands well. Inasmush as by indications the doctors are the head of the hospital,it doesn't mean they should decide on other health workers issues.
Firstly ,your taken on "CONSULTANTS" what JOHESU is saying have had a lot of experience in a particular area and also go further POST GRADUATE studies as in d case of doctors why deny such a person ''consultancy''. Every health worker in a hospital knows his jurisdiction.
Secondly, RELATIVITY. what type of RELATIVITY do d doctors want again when they start them from GRADE 12 already. Is that not relativity?
Thirdly,CMD/MD:we are all humans,if you have been following this debate hospitals where run by Hospital administrators who are not doctors,Med lab scientist, Nurses etc. don't you think it will be reduce been biased.

Sweetliver: JP,I have read your write up and it's obvious on whose camp your are in. Have you taken time to read the 24 demands well. Inasmush as by indications the doctors are the head of the hospital,it doesn't mean they should decide on other health workers issues.
Firstly ,your taken on "CONSULTANTS" what JOHESU is saying have had a lot of experience in a particular area and also go further POST GRADUATE studies as in d case of doctors why deny such a person ''consultancy''. Every health worker in a hospital knows his jurisdiction.
Secondly, RELATIVITY. what type of RELATIVITY do d doctors want again when they start them from GRADE 12 already. Is that not relativity?
Thirdly,CMD/MD:we are all humans,if you have been following this debate hospitals where run by Hospital administrators who are not doctors,Med lab scientist, Nurses etc. don't you think it will be reduce been biased.

phantom: no problem. please give us links showing the qualifications required to be a consultant nurse,Pharm or lab tech. secondly give us links showing these people are hospital based in the UK,Australia or the states.

phantom: no problem. please give us links showing the qualifications required to be a consultant nurse,Pharm or lab tech. secondly give us links showing these people are hospital based in the UK,Australia or the states.

Sweetliver:
http://www.wikihow.com/Become-a-Nursing-Consultant. Just read it dear. If I may ask,Phantom it seems u r a doctor.

musaak: nurse consultant in hospital has a defined role and specific area of training according to your link. The following should be made clear to avoid anarchy in the system. 1. What are the areas in our setting that needed specialist nurse? 2. What is the training program put in place to acheive such level of training and the qualification? 3. What are the exact role they are going to play? Until govt do the needful to answer these questions and then study the template in other part of the world where this practised and how applicable is to our setting, all these struggles and rivalry will not take the healthcare system in nigeria anywhere to envy

armadeo:


They are in a foundation trust not the hospital setting but you said ' they can still be in the hospital'. So what you want to do is take a person from one setting and plant them in another even when the system you are copying isn't doing such.

Also note they are called nurse consultants not consultant nurses. I bet you will ask what the difference is.

Sweetliver:
Sure I will like to know. But why are you guys not talking about other demands. Are they visible?

armadeo:


Google is you're friend.

What other demands? Is what visible?

Sweetliver:
So out of the 24 demands of NMA all u see is the one of consultant abi.
U ask for links about d consultants nurse I showed u. So pls just differentiate consultant nurse and nurse consultant. biko.

Samgreguc:
am nt hating.
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Bt, after all diagnoses what is given to 80 to 90 percent of ur patient?

sisinaijayeye0:

Honestly. Drugs! Which you should be doing in the lab and testing them on lab animals. Not in the hospitals doing ward rounds and clogging up the whole space/place. #peace #onelove!

adeoladrg:

We have pharmacologists to take up that role Sorry to burst ur bubble! Pharmaceutical care is actually a patient centred care!

sisinaijayeye0:

Then you should blame your profession for being confused from the start if you knew you would later convert your professions to become doctors you should have implemented it from the start, as you always say doctors aren't better than johesu. So much so u r nt different from a pharmacologist. Wanna be doctor adeola

sisinaijayeye0:

Honestly. Drugs!

Which you should be doing in the lab and testing them on lab animals.

Not in the hospitals doing ward rounds and clogging up the whole space/place. #peace #onelove!

Mastershiffu:

It is indeed absurd for people who are entrusted with the job of caring for the sick to embark on a strike action,in saner climes other labour unions embark on such strikes in the stead of doctors and it usually takes a lot for things to degenerate to that level.but hey this is nigeria where everybody thinks the doctor is the enemy on account of his presumed bloated ego and the only language the govt understands is strike. You do not seem to understand the dynamics of the public health sector of this country and so your submission smacks of naivete when you say doctors are "threatened". These arguments cannot be reduced to those 4 questions you posed. The fact is that in a HOSPITAL SETTING, there can only be one set of consultants or Attendings going by the US system,and these are people with a basic MBBS degree who have gone through many more years of training in a well structured and regulated scheme called residency training to make you the go-to guy in a particular field of medicine including but not limited to laboratory medicine,pharmacology, therapeutics and sports medicine.it takes years of hard work and resilience to go through this training and i promise you, starting it is not a guarantee that you will finish it when you will be awarded a fellowship of whatever college you trained under.this still doesnt make you a consultant.the govt has to have need for your specialization in any of its tertiary institutions, where you are then APPOINTED a consultant.your job description includes taking the FINAL decision as regards the management of any patient under your care, as well as training other residents under you. This is the standard worldwide. You can therefore imagine the bewilderment of nigerian doctors when their colleagues who in a HOSPITAL SETTING are at best technical cadre staff woke up one morning and sayed they are now consultants. They attained consultant status by no laid down rules, no procedure other than longevity of service.Doctors thought it was a joke until these people under their amorphous group of JOHESU secured a court order to that effect and the govt was forced to circularize this anomaly. Do not be deceived by the various definitions of who a consultant is. The truth is every body who works in a hospital knows that that term is beyond a rank as it encompasses that as well as the fact that you are the final authority as regards patient mgt.to buttress this further, a professor of chemical pathology who after his mbbs got an MSc and a PhD in chemical pathology and having been found worthy by his peers promoted to the rank of professor in an academic setting is still not a consultant chemical pathologist! This is because his theses at masters and PhD level narrows his area of specialty unlike the doctor who has a fellowship in any of the colleges who has been trained in a HOSPITAL, to not only write theses on any field of chemical pathology but to understand these studies as it affects living patients daily. This is what these JOHESU people want to get by political gerrymandering and unionism. It doesnt work anywhere and nigeria will not be the first.

jideolubiyi:


Maybe when you're done calling me ignorant and naive, you will realize that you're sounding scared, threatened by these other health workers. It takes someone scared out of his wits to consider that particular titles belong to you just because you are doctors. Are you kidding me! Specialist status doesn't belong to any group of people. It's the warped political culture in the country that encouraged the unwarranted arrogance of employees like medical doctors.
So you think I'm naive, ignorant because I gave no hoot about calling a spade a spade? We shall all stand here and see how these all turn out... The time is already ripe for the public to get involved in this madness, this madness that allows some dumb-ass health workers to think they can do just what they like. We are going to see more of what happened in Lagos, and by the time many of the hospitals are privatized, as a private owners some of us will set your salaries strictly based on output and market forces...
You wrote as if the public is so unaware of goings-on at the public hospitals. I make bold to say that once the medical doctors become consultants it virtually becomes impossible for patients to see them again. They simply disappear from the stations. In short, they become less useful to the public than before they became that. Now, how does medical consultancy help us? Apart from the fact that tax-payers' money used in training your lots become wasted...Yes, we still have to continue paying their inflated salaries while they disappear from serving the public to manning their private clinics.
You can abuse the public, even accuse us of being ignorant and unable to read the happenings. Go ahead and do all that. You are all moving us towards privatizing the sector, and some of us are waiting for just that. If a nurse practitioner is more useful to a patient care, then she/he is going to be remunerated accordingly.... By then you will lose your hideous confidence in such catch phrases as "pay relativity", "government is the root of all the evil in the health sector", "doctors own the patients"... Your possession of medical license..etc will cease to be your claim to public respect, but your contribution to patient management as adjudged by the public, by the patients. And not by either of NMA or JOHESU.
And when private investors control the sector, we shall see who is really ignorant...the investing public or our medical doctors.
Clown!