waxdude: brb

ochon: Longest time my nigga from another mother. Missed our days on the BBA thread, hope you are good? Just checking on ya.

MizMyColi:
Lolest.

In line with my new week goal of reading everything readable, I had to bring myself to read this.
I cringed at first.....I'm not a fan of maths or anything maths(ish).

So, I'm thinking, "if Ochon posted this, then it means he agrees with Mynd's views"

Owh well, here's my take:-

Loving either of them would be quite herculean for my person.
Reason's not far-fetched.

The Love would be too MATHEMATICAL

lawrenceunaa:
i take time to read
but BTW pls is mynd ,nl mynd44

ochon:


LOL. Do you just stay and start reading everything "readable"? I wish I could but I procastinate a lot. This thread is so old I never thought you'd dig it up.

Well, you thought wrong. I don't actually agree with his views by the mere fact that I posted it here, I only posted it on here because I find that "scientific" appraisal of love, fascinating and mind boggling. Just like you, I'm not a fan of Mathematics/Engineering field so I couldn't understand the whole semantics of Boolean Algebra. when I found that post on UjSizzle's blog, I'd had to post it on NL, so people with a wider spectrum of understanding about the topic, can broach on it, unfortunately, no one did.

The love in the OP's post is too "Mathematical" for me.

Aha!
Good to know I'm not alone.

If I get Mynd44 correctly, he's saying that love's a give and take ish.
I quite understand that angle of human reasoning.

Yet,

There's a kind of love I aspire to, one that keeps its flames burning even in the face of opposition/absence of those "inputs".

I mean, given what we've been taught in the bible, which resonates/rings true in the hearts of so many - talking about God's Love.
You gotta give it up to him mehn.

I mean, how do you keep at loving a person who judging by every human standard isn't worth so much as "a like?"
Yet we're made to understand he loved us while we were yet sinners.
Hmmmm........
I just heard myself say "well that's why he is God"

But then again, wouldn't to be a bad idea to aspire to be like God, innit?
Y'know.......in that regard?

At this point, I concur with C.S Lewis - "If I find in myself, desires which cannot be fulfilled in this world, the only logical explanation's that I was made for/in another world.

#NoAlien
#JustAThoughtProcess

ochon:


Yeah, that's him.

MizMyColi:




There's a kind of love I aspire to, one that keeps its flames burning even in the face of opposition/absence of those "inputs".

I mean, given what we've been taught in the bible, which resonates/rings true in the hearts of so many - talking about God's Love.
You gotta give it up to him mehn.

I mean, how do you keep at loving a person who judging by every human standard isn't worth so much as "a like?"
Yet we're made to understand he loved us while we were yet sinners.
Hmmmm........
I just heard myself say "well that's why he is God"

ochon:


Late reply. I got caught up in a frenzy of offline activities.

The part I quoted is what I like to term an "unconditional love." Unconditional love (the kind of love that keeps its flames burning, even in the absence of the "inputs/outputs" is unrealistic when it comes to especially "romantic love" IMHO. It's idealistic but highly unrealistic. It usually exist between a mother/father and her/his kids. It's the Agape love that God talked about.

I can't love back a person that doesn't worth even a "like." Not me mehn. I can love such a person for a given time frame, but after so much "benefit of doubt," hoping that he or she will reciprocate such love/care (in this case romantic love), and if she/he fails to, I let go (not talking about becoming enemies with the person). Most types of love is conditional, it's about give and take like you opined.

Love can be unconditional from parent-kids perspective in the sense that "blood" is involved. You'll see a mom that will love and not give up hope on her kid(s) that might be hurting her, no matter the situation. Like in the parable of the prodigal son. If that guy wasn't the man's son, I'm not sure he (the dad) would have taken him back easily when the prodigal son returned. Catch my drift?

Y'know, I agree with you 120%
I see we reason alike.

Given the context you've just described, I think that's where self-control comes into play.
Loving someone at your own expense (I'm talking about "love the feeling that produces love the action" for a prolonged period might as well be termed stewpidity, or put more mildly - ignorance.

SELF LOVE ISN'T SELFISH.

But then again, when we leave toxic people behind, with what eyes in our minds do we view them?
Hate, bitterness orrrrrr
Sheer compassion?

(I'm working on attaining the compassionate level).

More oft than not, except I'm very conscious of the life giving force within, I can be quite the

MizMyColi:


Y'know, I agree with you 120%
I see we reason alike.

Given the context you've just described, I think that's where self-control comes into play.
Loving someone at your own expense (I'm talking about "love the feeling that produces love the action" for a prolonged period might as well be termed stewpidity, or put more mildly - ignorance.

SELF LOVE ISN'T SELFISH.

But then again, when we leave toxic people behind, with what eyes in our minds do we view them?
Hate, bitterness orrrrrr
Sheer compassion?

(I'm working on attaining the compassionate level).

More oft than not, except I'm very conscious of the life giving force within, I can be quite the

ochon:


@ first embolden, exactly!! It's just sheer stùpidity.

@ second embolden, it's not hate on my part. I'm yet to see a human, no matter how toxic he or she is, that I will HATE. Dislike? Yes. Bitterness? Possible. But hate? No way, or not yet.

@ last embolden, you can be quite what? Spill the beans.

Tabh:
Ochon,you ain't talking drugs nor money?


Love stories suck seriously.

MizMyColi:


*******; ****** ****

ochon:


I hope you won't "murdify" this one later?

Nothing to be "mute" about it. ******ness is a form of emotion, it's inherent in all of us.

MizMyColi:


Hmmmm.....

I can only imagine the calibre of females you attract as a result of this trait you possess.


Empathy in a Thinking Man; Such rarity these days.

@TheQuotedAbove
I understand, I guess my being quite shy of it arises from the need to wanna be better, for self, for those the creator has given/will give me.

ochon:


I like to think I attract many sorts of ladies, good and bad, all strata.

@Embolden, aptly said. Yeah I understand why you are shy of IT. Though it's an innate emotion, it's a negative one and nothing to be proud of. So we all strive to be better, to kick "IT" to the curb and live a life devoid of "IT." It's a nasty emotion, leaves one stuck in the past. But I think you are on the right path if you keep inhibiting that emotion.

That's a good thing, imo.
I can relate too with the "many stratas".


The goal though, consciously/unconsciously, should be to leave everyone better than we met them.

Thanks, thanks.
Have you always been like this @Empathetic, @Warm

Are you beyond your early twenties?

Pardon my askings please.
It's rare meeting a guy who's beyond the "25" mark and still has this innocence about him.

andromida:
Is God's love truly unconditional the way we humans see unconditional love?

Obinoscopy:
^^I agree with you 100%

Inspirational quote:

"If love were to be mathematics......I don't think we could find the solution......."

- Dre11

Obinoscopy:
I love mathematics and I love love. But mathematical love? Count me out .

Love is beyond mathematics. Love defies logic. Loves defies laws. Love is life itself.

Love is beyond the universe. And since we have not been able to fully develop a mathematical formula that defines the universe (despite the appreciable efforts by Newton, Einstein and present generation scientists), that ultimately means that we've not been able to develop a universal mathematical formula that defines love. And we won't succeed with that no matter how hard we try.

Love is the only thing that makes me believe that all is not vanity afterall. Someone once said that Loving is her Religion. I totally agree.

Matthewbriggs:
Very well written piece. I must confess. My question is, if love is conditional is it really love.

If a certain kind of input is required to output love do we call that love.

Because my definition of love is that of a woman who would shelter her son, a murderer from the arm of the law just because she can’t stand the thought of losing him to the hangman.

Of a father who would not mind giving his kidney to his son kn coma, who for the past 20 years has caused him untold pain due to his drug life style.
Love is a man who looks at the stretch marks, and the wrinkled face of his wife and all he sees is that young cute twenty something that stole his heart away.
Love is a man dying on the cross for sins of the very people that killed him … So that these same people might have life.

I believe the moment love starts been conditional in that same moment it stops been love.

I of of the opinion that Love is not conditional, because one thing that is very sure about life is change. and if change is inevitable it means love is nothing but a temporal feeling that will surely fad once new input comes in play as caused by change.

I personally think what the writer is mistaking for love is attraction aka chemistry.

Attraction is conditional, it is dependent on certain parameter to take place. Absence or presence of this inputs decides the feasibility of it growing or dying just like the writer already explains.

The mistake most people make is to think Attraction is love.

Personally I think love is unpredictable, It is a very tricky idea/concept that is hard to define or confine to a formula of inputs and outputs. I think it is a mystery in which till today mankind still struggles to unravel and the more we try to define it, the more we are lost in our definition.

I maybe not be able to define or really understand love. But I think love in it is real and pure essences is selfless and unconditional … ( This is the idealist side of me speaking).

But from a realist perspective, I quite agree with your stance to some extent.

#Mathew Briggs