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| Re: Going To Hajj In The Bible(evidence) by Abdulsalam20(m): 6:43pm On Sep 03, 2014 |
malvisguy212: The commencement of the Divine@ MALVISGUY U SAID THE ANGEL SAID READ IN THE NAME OF YOUR LORD WITHOUT HOLDING ANY DOCUMENT AND HE SAID I AM NOT LEARNED IT IS EVIDENT IN THE BIBLE Muhammad (pbuh) is prophesised in the book of Isaiah: It is mentioned in the book of Isaiah chapter 29 verse 12: "And the book is delivered to him that is not learned, saying, Read this, I pray thee: and he saith, I am not learned." When Archangel Gabrail commanded Muhammad (pbuh) by saying Iqra - "Read", he replied, "I am not learned" .SO READ UR BOOK WELL AND UNDERSTAND IT.........I HAVE ALSO GIVEN Y D FULL STORY OF THE REVELATION ABOVE CHECK IT FOR U TO HAVE ADEQUATE KNOWLEDGE OF ISLAM......SOURCE OF THE ARTICLE www.en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muhammad's_first_revelation with adequate citation from quran and hadith |
| Re: Going To Hajj In The Bible(evidence) by Abdulsalam20(m): 6:55pm On Sep 03, 2014 |
CONCERNING YOUR QUESTION ABOUT ABDULLAH THE FATHER OF MUHAMMAD THIS ARTICLE WILL HELP YOU UNDERSTAND It appears there is some confusion on this issue as Prophet Muhammad’s father’s name (Abdullah) meant the “slave of Allah” – questions have been asked as to why the name Allah was known BEFORE Islam was revealed to the Prophet Muhammad (p). Typically, our Christian missionary friends have been spinning this as to mean Allah was a pagan god as the pagan Arabs knew of the word “Allah” before the coming of the Prophet and Islam. Highlighting ignorance… This simply highlights the Christian missionary’s/critic’s ignorance as the word Allah was initially used in a monotheistic sense by Ishmael (son of Abraham) and those of his followers. However, with time, these Arabs later slipped into paganism which ultimately led to the Arabs of Mecca leaving the pure belief of Allah being the ONLY God by making Allah a high god of their pantheon of gods. The Prophet Muhammad (p) brought the Arabs back onto the worship of Allah alone with the introduction of Islam – the same beliefs Ishmael (p) introduced to Arabia. A brief history of Meccan-Arab religious practice We know that the word “Allah” was in use before the time of Prophet Muhammed (pbuh). If we read Ar-Raheeq ul- Makhtum we realise that the early Arabs did believe in Allah as the Only God. This is dated all the way back to the time of Prophet Ishmael (p) who resided in Makkah (Mecca) and learned Arabic as well as settling there [1]. He preached the message of pure monotheism; “Most of the Arabs had complied with the call of Ishmael and professed the religion of his father Abraham. They worshipped Allah, professed His Oneness and followed His religion...” [2]. This shows that Allah was known as the Only God, just like the Muslims believe Him to be. Indeed Abraham and Ishmael (pbut) are considered to be Muslims, i.e. those who had submitted to the Will of the Only God, Allah. How paganism was introduced after Ishmael and Abraham (pbut) The issue of paganism came into the equation as the Arabs forgot this pure monotheism which was taught by Ishmael and his followers. The idolatry was originated from the actions of a man named Amr bin Luhai, he was known as a devoted and righteous man, well respected by his peers. However, after a trip away from Mecca he saw idol-worship in Syria. Upon his return to the Meccans he introduced idol worship to the Meccans by bringing an idol named Hubal back from Syria and this resulted in the spread of a great many idols across Mecca. They now (wrongly) believed Allah to be the high god of many Despite the Meccan pagans’ acceptance of idols they still proclaimed belief in Allah in the sense that they saw Allah as the High God but used the idols as ‘lesser deities’ whom they believed “could intercede before Allah for the fulfilment of their wishes” [4]. Quite simply they had a pantheon of ‘gods’ but believed that Allah was the High God of their pantheon. [6] The theory of Allah being considered as a High God is backed by Ar-Raheequl-Maktoum, Karen Armstrong [6] and W. M. Watt [7]. Effectively over the years they changed their belief in Allah, from the belief that Allah was the Only God (the Abrahamic teachings) to the belief that Allah was the High God of their many deities (pagan/polytheistic teachings). There were 360 different idols, belonging to the pagans of Mecca, around the Ka’bah when Prophet Muhammed took charge of Mecca. These idols were subsequently broken, removed and burned under the authority of Prophet Muhammed [3]. Prophet Muhammad’s father - Abdullah Another source that attests to the fact that the pre-Islamic Arabs used the name Allah and held a ‘belief’ in Him is the genealogy of Prophet Muhammed, his father’s name was actually Abdullah (meaning servant of Allah) [5]. Interestingly enough, some of these pagan Arabs believed that Allah was the same God that the Jews and Christians worshipped [6] Prophet Muhammad reintroduces Abrahamic monotheism In 610 CE, the Prophet Muhammad began to call the pagan Arabs back to the pure monotheism which was taught by Abraham and Ishmael centuries earlier. By 632 CE the Meccan Arabs had given up their idols and returned back to pure monotheism – believing in Allah as the only god. 1. Ar-Raheequl-Makhtum by Safi-ur-Rahman Al-Mubarakpuri, Darussalam, 2002 pg 26-28 2. Ibid pg 45 3. Ibid pg 45-46 4. Ibid 46 5. Ibid 63 6. Islam a Short History by Karen Armstrong, Phoenix Press, 2001, pg 3 7. What Is Islam by W.Montgomery Watt, Longman Group, Second Edition, 1979, pg 47 |
| Re: Going To Hajj In The Bible(evidence) by eyeopener: 6:56pm On Sep 03, 2014 |
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| Re: Going To Hajj In The Bible(evidence) by malvisguy212: 8:02pm On Sep 03, 2014 |
Abdulsalam20: @ MALVISGUY U SAID THE ANGEL SAID READ IN THE NAME OF YOUR LORD WITHOUT HOLDING ANY DOCUMENT AND HE SAID I AM NOT LEARNED IT IS EVIDENT IN THE BIBLEstop twisting the scripture. Can't you for once answer question? And the book is delivered to him that is not learned,.... Or that knows not a book or letters, as before, and so consequently cannot read, having never been put to school, or learned to read: saying, Read this, I pray thee; or "now" (w), at once, immediately: and he saith, I am not learned; he does not excuse himself on account of its being sealed, but on account of his want of learning; which shows the former was but an excuse. In short, the sum of it is this, that neither the learned nor unlearned, among the Jews, cared to read their Bibles, or to search the Scriptures, and the prophecies in them, concerning the Messiah, and that neither of them understood them; these things were hid from the wise and prudent, as well as from the ignorant and unlearned of the people, in common, and were only made known to a few babes and sucklings. There was great ignorance of the Scriptures in the times of Christ, to which these passages truly belong, Matthew 11:25. |
| Re: Going To Hajj In The Bible(evidence) by malvisguy212: 8:06pm On Sep 03, 2014 |
[quote author=eyeopener][/quote]God bless you. The guy is a chronic copy and paste guy. Don't wast to much time on him. 1 Like |
| Re: Going To Hajj In The Bible(evidence) by eyeopener: 9:21pm On Sep 03, 2014 |
For allah commanding muslims to fight the Jews and Christians (Surah 9:29), it means he is not their God. Since I have proven to you that allah is not the God of the Jews and Christians, nothing like Hajj or Muhammad can be in the bible. The Jew and Christian God cannot recognise the operations and prophet of another god, allah. Therefore all prophesies in the bible is referring to Jesus. And beginning at Moses and ALL prophets, he expounded unto them in ALL the Scriptures the things concerning HIMSELF (Luke 24:27). And he (Jesus) said unto them, these are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were WRITTEN in the law of Moses and in the PROPHETS and in psalms concerning ME (Jesus). Luke 24:44 Therefore Muhammad, Hajj or anything islamic is not and cannot be found in the bible. All of your bible references and the meanings you gave to them are misinterpretations. |
| Re: Going To Hajj In The Bible(evidence) by Abdulsalam20(m): 10:44pm On Sep 03, 2014 |
I PITY MOST ALL OF U GUYS AFTER ALL THE EVIDENCE PROVIDED FOR U U DENY THE TRUTH OW I ONLY LIKE U THAT IS WHY I AM TELLING U THE TRUTH IF U LIKE LISTEN I JUST DISCOVER THAT UR HEARTH HAS BEEN HARDENED U ARUED ABOUT BACA I PROVE IT FOR U I ALSO PROVE THAT JERSALEM IS NOT HOLY ND MANY OTHERS BUT U NEVER LISTEN DONT WORRY CONTINUE WITH UR DEEN AND LET WE MUSLIM DO OURS I JUST PRAY U REALISE THE TRUTH, IN TIME ALL WHAT U POSTED HERE ARE FALLACY NOT WORTH ARGUING WITH...........ATLEAST I HAVE TRIED MY POSSIBLE BEST FOR U |
| Re: Going To Hajj In The Bible(evidence) by Abdulsalam20(m): 10:48pm On Sep 03, 2014 |
malvisguy212: stop twisting the scripture. Can't you for once answer question?SEE TWISTING  |
| Re: Going To Hajj In The Bible(evidence) by Abdulsalam20(m): 10:50pm On Sep 03, 2014 |
eyeopener:THIS U POSTED HAS ALREADY BEEN ANSWERED U JUST DENY IT.........READ ALL MY POST AND REFERENCES |
| Re: Going To Hajj In The Bible(evidence) by eyeopener: 8:50am On Sep 04, 2014 |
Abdulsalam20: THIS U POSTED HAS ALREADY BEEN ANSWERED U JUST DENY IT.........READ ALL MY POST AND REFERENCES You have made no point at all. Since allah is not the God of the Jews and Christians, Who we know to be the God of heaven, who is he? |
| Re: Going To Hajj In The Bible(evidence) by Sovet: 4:42am On Sep 05, 2014 |
True, God blessed Ishmael because he was the seed of Abraham but had no covenant of prophethood with him. His covenant was with Isaac. Both the bible and quran confirm it (Gen. 17:19-21, Quran 29:27). God could not have sent a prophet through Ishmael seed, i.e Muhammad. |
| Re: Going To Hajj In The Bible(evidence) by mahdino: 9:36am On Sep 05, 2014 |
eyeopener: @ Op The quran is sufficient for us, but we try to prove to you from what you have in your hands and believe that even your books authenticate ISLAM. |
| Re: Going To Hajj In The Bible(evidence) by mahdino: 9:42am On Sep 05, 2014 |
Sovet: True, God blessed Ishmael because he was the seed of Abraham but had no covenant of prophethood with him. His covenant was with Isaac. Both the bible and quran confirm it (Gen. 17:19-21, Quran 29:27). God could not have sent a prophet through Ishmael seed, i.e Muhammad.Why wont it be through Ishmael, when God promised Abraham that i will bless your only seed, it has to be Ishmael because for good 13 years Ishmael was the only son of Abraham. |
| Re: Going To Hajj In The Bible(evidence) by mahdino: 10:00am On Sep 05, 2014 |
eyeopener: ELA, ELA, lama sabaktani, Please let me ask you a question? Does ELA sound like JESUS? No Does ELA sound like Messaih? No Does ELA sound like Jehova? No Does ELA sound like Allah? YES Allah is the name of the one true God |
| Re: Going To Hajj In The Bible(evidence) by malvisguy212: 10:15am On Sep 05, 2014 |
mahdino:according to you guys, the bible is corrupt, so you mean a corrupt book authenticate islam,? Very confused muslims. The more you prove your point with the bible the more you guys make allah weaker. Allah say he will protect his word,right? And you guys say some part of the bible is authentic,[that is the part that favour islam] now if the bible is corrupt, dos that mean Allah fail to protect his word? You guys are a big disappointment to Allah. |
| Re: Going To Hajj In The Bible(evidence) by malvisguy212: 10:19am On Sep 05, 2014 |
mahdino:calling white, black.An't allah a arabic name? Did jesus speak arabic? |
| Re: Going To Hajj In The Bible(evidence) by Abdulsalam20(m): 7:35pm On Sep 05, 2014 |
Sovet: True, God blessed Ishmael because he was the seed of Abraham but had no covenant of prophethood with him. His covenant was with Isaac. Both the bible and quran confirm it (Gen. 17:19-21, Quran 29:27). God could not have sent a prophet through Ishmael seed, i.e Muhammad.U ARE WRONG SIR GENESIS 17:19-21 Then God said, “Yes, but your wife Sarah will bear you a son, and you will call him Isaac. I will establish my covenant with him as an everlasting covenant for his descendants after him. And as for Ishmael, I have heard you: I will surely bless him; I will make him fruitful and will greatly increase his numbers. He will be the father of twelve rulers, and I will make him into a great nation. But my covenant I will establish with Isaac, whom Sarah will bear to you by this time next year(HAVE U FORGOTTEN THAT ARABS ARE DESCEDANT OF ISMAHEEL AND ISLAM IS SENT TO THE WHOLE NATION ALSO DURING MUHAMMADS(SAW) LIFETIME HE ALSO BECOME RULER OF MANY COUNTRIES And We have not sent you, [O Muhammad], except as a mercy to the worlds. [21:107] Say, [O Muhammad], "O mankind, indeed I am the Messenger of Allah to you all, [from Him] to whom belongs the dominion of the heavens and the earth. There is no deity except Him; He gives life and causes death." So believe in Allah and His Messenger, the unlettered prophet, who believes in Allah and His words, and follow him that you may be guided. [7:158] So the reason of Holy Prophet (S.A.W) as a mercy to the worlds is that he (S.A.W) is the last Prophet of Allah (S.W.T) and no prophet will come after him (S.A.W) so he is the guidance to all mankind. And that is why Allah (S.W.T) has taken the responsibility of Holy Qur'an Indeed, upon Us is its collection [in your heart] and [to make possible] its recitation [75:17] The thing is, previous Ummahs had edited their scriptures and gone astray so Allah (S.W.T) continually send his Prophets for their Guidance. But because now Allah has taken the responsibility of the Qur'an that no changes will be made in this Holy Book so their is no need for any other prophet to come. Allah (S.W.T) has secured the Sunnahs of Holy Prophet (S.A.W) as well. QURAN 29:27 1:27 And We gave (Abraham) Isaac and Jacob, and ordained among his progeny Prophethood and Revelation, and We granted him his reward in this life; and he was in the Hereafter (of the company) of the Righteous.......READ THIS UR SELF AND DIGEST IT AND U WILL KNOW THE MEANING INDEED ISLAM HAS BEEN PERFECTED BY ALLAH |
| Re: Going To Hajj In The Bible(evidence) by eyeopener: 9:59am On Sep 06, 2014 |
Nowhere did the Bible talk about Muhammad or islam. Muslims fabricated it. Jesus said Moses and other prophets spoke concerning Him, not Muhammad: And beginning at Moses and ALL prophets, he expounded unto them in ALL the Scriptures [/b]the things concerning [b]HIMSELF (Luke 24:27). And he (Jesus) said unto them, these are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were WRITTEN in the law of Moses and the PROPHETS and in psalms concerning ME (Jesus). Luke 24:44 Matthew 21:43: 43 Therefore I tell you, "the kingdom of God will be taken away from you and given to a different nation" producing the fruits of it. Who was Jesus addressing in that verse? The answered is in verse 45: "And when the chief priests and Pharisees had heard his parables, they perceived that he spake of them". Therefore Jesus was addressing the chief priests and Pharisees as a NATION. The kingdom was actually taken away from them and given to the Christian as a NATION. Referring to the Christians to whom the Kingdom has been given, the bible says: But ye are a chosen generation, a ROYAL PRIESTHOOD, an HOLY NATION, a peculiar people......(I Peter 2:9). A study of the verse reveals: PRIESTHOOD has been transferred from the Priests and Pharisees to the Christians as a HOLY NATION. |
| Re: Going To Hajj In The Bible(evidence) by mahdino: 3:01pm On Sep 06, 2014 |
malvisguy212: calling white, black.An't allah a arabic name? Did jesus speak arabic? Hebrew and Arabic are sister and have similar sounds e.g Salamun alaikum in Arabic and Shalom alaikum in Hebrew. |
| Re: Going To Hajj In The Bible(evidence) by mahdino: 3:35pm On Sep 06, 2014 |
malvisguy212: according to you guys, the bible is corrupt, so you mean a corrupt book authenticate islam,? Very confused muslims. The more you prove your point with the bible the more you guys make allah weaker. You did not read the quran correctly, Allah told us that he gave the messengers his revelation but with the pass of time your Rabbis and theologians change it to suit their self desires and because he knows that he will send the seal of prophet Mohammad (saw) with the last testament which no one can temper or fault and we can see and prove it that in your bible there are traces of word of God, word of the prophets and words of Historians. e.g 1. Word of God, in the book of Isaiah you will read ... I AM GOD AND BESIDE ME THERE IS NO ONE ELSE. Know when you look at the sentence it was said by through the mouth piece of Isaiah but he was not claiming to be God, therefore you can see that it is in fact the word of God. 2. Word of the Prophets, in the new testament you will read Jesus saying ... IT HAS BEEN SAID OF THE OLD TIMES AN EYE FOR AN EYE AND A TOOTH FOR A TOOTH BUT[b] I [/b]SAY UNTO YOU... 3. Word of the Historians, in so many place e.g Matthew 9:9 WHILE JESUS WAS WALKING ON THE WAY HE [/b]SAW A MAN SITTING AT THE TAX COLLECTORS OFFICE SO [b]HE (Jesus) SAID TO HIM (Matthew) FOLLOW ME AND HE (Matthew) FOLLOWED HIM. Please who is narrating the story, you say it is written by Matthew but you dont need to have a Bsc in English before you know that this is not the words of Matthew, not the word of Jesus nor God. If it was Matthew that wrote it it would have been WHILE JESUS WAS WALKING ON THE WAY HE SAW ME SITTING AT THE TAX COLLECTORS OFFICE AND HE TOLD ME TO FOLLOW HIM AND I FOLLOWED HIM, or if it was Jesus it would have been AS I WAS WALKING ON THE WAY I SAW A MAN AND I TOLD HIM TO FOLLOW ME AND HE FOLLOWED ME. Any primary school child will tell you that this is a third person speech from hear say narrating the story. |
| Re: Going To Hajj In The Bible(evidence) by eyeopener: 4:42pm On Sep 06, 2014 |
mahdino: He (Jesus) said: Surely I am a servant of Allah; He has given me the BOOK and made me a Prophet (Surah 19:30 Shakir). He (Jesus) spake: Lo! I am the slave of Allah, He hath given me the SCRIPTURE and hath appointed me a Prophet (Surah 19:30 Pickthall). If the Gospel was not written by Matthew, Mark, Luke, John etc, who wrote the one Allah talks about and where can we find it? |
| Re: Going To Hajj In The Bible(evidence) by Abdulsalam20(m): 1:11am On Sep 08, 2014 |
eyeopener:UR QUESTION ISNT CLEAR TO ME BUT I GUESS WHAT MY BROTHER IS TELLING U IS THAT BIBLE IS A THIRD PARTY SPEECH IF U LOOK AT THE QURAN IT IS A DIRECT SPEEH FROM GOD FOR EXAMPLE THE VERSE U QUOTED JUST TRY TOREAD THE VERSES BEFORE IT THE SURAH IS SURATUL MARYAM(MARY) 1:1 Kaf. Ha. Ya. 'Ain. Sad. 1:2 (This is) a recital of the Mercy of thy Lord to His servant Zakariya.1:3 Behold! he cried to his Lord in secret,1:4 Praying: "O my Lord! infirm indeed are my bones, and the hair of my head doth glisten with grey: but never am I unblest, O my Lord, in my prayer to Thee!1:5 "Now I fear (what) my relatives (and colleagues) (will do) after me: but my wife is barren: so give me an heir as from Thyself,-1:6 "(One that) will (truly) represent me, and represent the posterity of Jacob; and make him, O my Lord! one with whom Thou art well-pleased!"1:7 (His prayer was answered): "O Zakariya! We give thee good news of a son: His name shall be Yahya: on none by that name have We conferred distinction before."1:8 He said: "O my Lord! How shall I have a son, when my wife is barren and I have grown quite decrepit from old age?"1:9 He said: "So (it will be) thy Lord saith, 'that is easy for Me: I did indeed create thee before, when thou hadst been nothing!'"1:10 (Zakariya) said: "O my Lord! give me a Sign." "Thy Sign," was the answer, "Shall be that thou shalt speak to no man for three nights, although thou art not dumb."1:11 So Zakariya came out to his people from him chamber: He told them by signs to celebrate Allah.s praises in the morning and in the evening.1:12 (To his son came the command): "O Yahya! take hold of the Book with might": and We gave him Wisdom even as a youth,1:13 And piety (for all creatures) as from Us, and purity: He was devout,1:14 And kind to his parents, and he was not overbearing or rebellious.1:15 So Peace on him the day he was born, the day that he dies, and the day that he will be raised up to life (again)!1:16 Relate in the Book (the story of) Mary, when she withdrew from her family to a place in the East.1:17 She placed a screen (to screen herself) from them; then We sent her our angel, and he appeared before her as a man in all respects.1:18 She said: "I seek refuge from thee to ((Allah)) Most Gracious: (come not near) if thou dost fear Allah."1:19 He said: "Nay, I am only a messenger from thy Lord, (to announce) to thee the gift of a holy son.1:20 She said: "How shall I have a son, seeing that no man has touched me, and I am not unchaste?"1:21 He said: "So (it will be): Thy Lord saith, 'that is easy for Me: and (We wish) to appoint him as a Sign unto men and a Mercy from Us':It is a matter (so) decreed."1:22 So she conceived him, and she retired with him to a remote place.1:23 And the pains of childbirth drove her to the trunk of a palm-tree: She cried (in her anguish): "Ah! would that I had died before this! would that I had been a thing forgotten and out of sight!"1:24 But (a voice) cried to her from beneath the (palm-tree): "Grieve not! for thy Lord hath provided a rivulet beneath thee;1:25 "And shake towards thyself the trunk of the palm-tree: It will let fall fresh ripe dates upon thee.1:26 "So eat and drink and cool (thine) eye. And if thou dost see any man, say, 'I have vowed a fast to ((Allah)) Most Gracious, and this day will I enter into not talk with any human being'"1:27 At length she brought the (babe) to her people, carrying him (in her arms). They said: "O Mary! truly an amazing thing hast thou brought!1:28 "O sister of Aaron! Thy father was not a man of evil, nor thy mother a woman unchaste!"1:29 But she pointed to the babe. They said: "How can we talk to one who is a child in the cradle?"1:30 He said: "I am indeed a servant of Allah. He hath given me revelation and made me a prophet;1:31 "And He hath made me blessed wheresoever I be, and hath enjoined on me Prayer and Charity as long as I live;1:32 "(He) hath made me kind to my mother, and not overbearing or miserable;1:33 "So peace is on me the day I was born, the day that I die, and the day that I shall be raised up to life (again)"!1:34 Such (was) Jesus the son of Mary: (it is) a statement of truth, about which they (vainly) dispute.1:35 It is not befitting to (the majesty of) Allah that He should beget a son. Glory be to Him! when He determines a matter, He only says to it, "Be", and it is.1:36 Verily Allah is my Lord and your Lord: Him therefore serve ye: this is a Way that is straight.1:37 But the sects differ among themselves: and woe to the unbelievers because of the (coming) Judgment of a Momentous Day! THIS VERSE IS TALKING ABOUT THE STORY OF ZAARIYAH AND MARY MOTHER OF JESUS(AND THE BIRTH OF JESUS) AND SOME OTHERS IF U READ IT U WIL SEE THAT IT IS A DIRECT REVELATION FROM GOD |
| Re: Going To Hajj In The Bible(evidence) by eyeopener: 3:21pm On Sep 08, 2014 |
Abdulsalam20: UR QUESTION ISNT CLEAR TO ME BUT I GUESS WHAT MY BROTHER IS TELLING U IS THAT BIBLE IS A THIRD PARTY SPEECH IF U LOOK AT THE QURAN IT IS A DIRECT SPEEH FROM GOD Who told you allah is God? Trash! Instead of answering short question you kept copying and pasting nonsense, big as the whole of quran. Smh! |
| Re: Going To Hajj In The Bible(evidence) by mustang44: 4:10pm On Sep 08, 2014 |
Abdulsalam20: THIS IS AN EVIDENCE FROM AN ENCYCLOPEDIA WEBSITE THAT ARABIANS ARE DESCENDANT OF ISMAHEEL FIRST SON OF ABRAHAM(HAZRAT IBRAHIM www.en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/IshmaelDont even try to make it look as if Ishmael is the father of all arabians or Ishmael built arabia. Arabia has beign in existence and populated for many years before Ishmael was even conceived. Ishmael is not the father of Arabs or the Arabians, it existed before he was ever born. Pple came from different places to populate arabia too. Let me tell you, there is no proof that Muhammad was a descendant of Ismeal. |
| Re: Going To Hajj In The Bible(evidence) by mustang44: 6:24pm On Sep 08, 2014 |
Abdulsalam20: SO WIKIPEDIA WILL LIE SMHPlease try and be rational. King David was talking about his fellow hebrew pple not to some Arabia dudes. why should hebrew pple ignore their own pilgrimage site in jerusalem and travel through the harsh arabian desert to mecca for pilgrimage? No prophet in the bible went to mecca for pilgrimage why should their followers go to mecca for pilgrimage? Do you think is only mecca pple go to for pilgrimag? |
| Re: Going To Hajj In The Bible(evidence) by eyeopener: 8:09pm On Sep 08, 2014 |
Abdulsalam20: [/b]SO WIKIPEDIA WILL LIE SMH grin grin grin grin...........WIKIPEDIA WILL HAVE SPECIFY IF IT IS JERUSALEM If Jerusalem was cursed for adultery, yet allah permitted muslims to compulsorily commit it, eh? Abu Huraira reported Allah's Apostle as saying: Verily Allah has fixed the very portion of adultery which a man will indulge in and which he of NECESSITY MUST COMMIT (or there would be no escape from it). Sahih Muslim #6421, 6422. So all muslims including Muhammad must commit adultery. |
| Re: Going To Hajj In The Bible(evidence) by Kingharzyz(m): 9:04pm On Sep 08, 2014 |
eyeopener: stop fooling yourself Allah is Arabic name for GOD.... that verse you quoted was referring to idolaters.... beside the God of Christians is Jesus. you worship and give thanks to Jesus therefore your god is not Muslim Gos..... peace am out |
| Re: Going To Hajj In The Bible(evidence) by Kingharzyz(m): 9:14pm On Sep 08, 2014 |
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| Re: Going To Hajj In The Bible(evidence) by eyeopener: 9:43pm On Sep 08, 2014 |
Kingharzyz: You don't know what you are saying at all. Allah's command to fight the people of the Scripture includes the Jews and not Christians alone. What is the offence of the Jews who do not worship Jesus but believe in one God and yet they are to be fought? Allah is to be suspected o! |
| Re: Going To Hajj In The Bible(evidence) by Abdulsalam20(m): 8:35am On Sep 09, 2014 |
eyeopener:QUOTE THE HADITH FULLY NOW Number 6422: Abu Huraira reported Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying. Allah fixed the very portion of adultery which a man will indulge in. There would be no escape from it. The adultery of the eye is the lustful look and the adultery of the ears is listening to voluptuous (song or talk) and the adultery of the tongue is licentious speech and the adultery of the hand is the lustful grip (embrace) and the adultery of the feet is to walk (to the place) where he intends to commit adultery and the heart yearns and desires which he may or may not put into effect. In other words the verses are claiming Allah is in control of all things. There is no difficulty at all with these passages, since God allowed Satan to incite David to number Israel, something which displeased the Lord. The reason why this angered the Lord is that rather than trusting God, David was evidently placing his trust in the number of his people. Even David's commander-in-chief, Joab, was not totally pleased with the king's decision: "But Joab said to the king, `May the LORD your God increase the number of the people a hundred fold, while the eyes of my lord king can still see it! But why does my lord the king want to do this? But the king's word prevailed against Joab and the commanders of the army..." 2 Sam. 24:3-4a NRSV Evidently, David had purposed within his heart to number Israel, something which the Lord was aware of. Realizing this, the Lord in his anger moved David through the agency of the Devil to act upon his heart's desire. Hence, although Satan was the direct cause, God was also indirectly responsible since the Devil can only do that which God allows him to do . SO IN CONCLUSION:what the hadith is saying is that god is in contol of everything and according to even the evidence i posted for u above in the bible satan do evil but NOTHING WILL happen without GOD knowing about it and if u read the hadith fully it said 'which he may or may not commit'......SO THE PROBABILITY OF IT HAPPENING DEPENDS ON HOW MUCH YOU ARE CLOSE TO GOD.......SO U MIS INTERPRET IT BECAUSE U LOOK AT IT WITH A BIAS MIND.....SO JERUSALEM BECOME UN HOLY BECAUSEE HE WAS PUSHED BY SATAN AND GOD IS IN CONTROL OF EVERYTHING IF GOD DONT WANT SATAN TO DO SO HE CANT.....BUT JERUSALEM IS NOW UNHOLY BECAUSE HE FAIL TOMOVE CLOSE TO GOD |
| Re: Going To Hajj In The Bible(evidence) by Abdulsalam20(m): 9:13am On Sep 09, 2014 |
mustang44: Dont even try to make it look as if Ishmael is the father of all arabians or Ishmael built arabia. Arabia has beign in existence and populated for many years before Ishmael was even conceived. Ishmael is not the father of Arabs orAFTER ALL THE EVIDENCE I PROVIDED.......WHAT A BIAS MIND!........EVERYTHING I POSTED IS WITH EVIDENCE IN FACT TO ME IT MORE SOPHISTICATED I GIVE U EVIDENCE FROM AN ENCYCLOPEDIA WEBSITE........SO FOR U TO PROVE ME WRONG U MUST HAVE A SOUND REFERENCE FOR IT OR ELSE IT WILL BE TAGGED AS NULL AND VOID |
| Re: Going To Hajj In The Bible(evidence) by Abdulsalam20(m): 9:22am On Sep 09, 2014 |
[quote author=eyeopener][/quote] I HAVE ALREADY ANSWER THIS QUESTION FOR U BEFORE BUT I WILL CONTINUE EXPOSING U QURAN 109 WAS REVEALED TO THE PROPHET WELL THE IDOLATORS SAID THEY WILL WORSHIP GOD IF AND ONLY IF MUHAMMAD WILL WORSHIP THEIR IDOLS that is when the verse was revealed and it goes thus 1:1 Say : O ye that reject Faith!1:2 I worship not that which ye worship,1:3 Nor will ye worship that which I worship.1:4 And I will not worship that which ye have been wont to worship,1:5 Nor will ye worship that which I worship.1:6 To you be your Way, and to me mine. ALL VERSES IN THE QURAN ARE REVEALED WITH REASON |
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