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Re: Going To Hajj In The Bible(evidence) by Abdulsalam20(m): 4:58pm On Sep 25, 2014
MORE PLS DID SEE ANY CROSS ON TOP OF IT?

Re: Going To Hajj In The Bible(evidence) by Abdulsalam20(m): 5:03pm On Sep 25, 2014
MUSTANG44 I AM WAITING OR YOUR RESPONSE
Re: Going To Hajj In The Bible(evidence) by Ovacoma: 12:50am On Sep 26, 2014
[quote author=Abdulsalam20]
in the first place you said quran was copied from bible i will in the first place prove you wrong note;i m quoting with scientific proof
Example 1: Local vs. Universal Flood during Prophet Noah (pbuh):
The Bible tells of a universal flood during the time of the prophet Noah (pbuh) in the Book of
Genesis, Chapter # 7: “Every living thing that moved on the earth perished, birds, livestock, wild
animals, all the creatures that swarm over the earth, and all mankind. Everything on dry land that
had the breath of life in its nostrils died”.
The Qur'an mentions a local flood affecting the people of Noah only: " Is it too much of a wonder
that a reminder should come to you from your Lord, through a man like you, to warn you, and to
lead you to righteousness, that you may attain mercy? They rejected him. Consequently, we saved
him and those with him in the ark, and we drowned those who rejected our revelations”. (Qur'an
7:59-64)
Werner
Keller says: "A flood of the unimaginable extent described in the Bible still remains 'archeologically
not demonstrated" (pp.29-30)
So how would the author of the Qur’an have avoided this mistake unless the revelation came from
the initiator of the flood Himself?
---------------------------------------------------------------
Example 2: Moses and the Pharaoh:
Another comparison will again demonstrate that the Qur'an was not copied from the Bible.
The Bible states that God drowned the Pharaoh and his army when they pursued Moses (pbuh) and
his people:
“And the waters returned, and covered the chariots, and the horsemen, and all the host of Pharaoh
that came into the sea after them; there remained not so much as one of them” Exodus 14:28.
The clear indication in that description is that the body of the Pharaoh perished in the sea.
The Qur’an agrees that God drowned the Pharaoh and his army when they pursued Moses.
However, the Qur'an dared to differ and prove true. In the Qur'an God promised to preserve the
body of the Pharaoh after having drowned him as a sign for later generations "…Today, we will
preserve your body, to set you up as a lesson for future generations. Unfortunately, many people
are totally oblivious to our signs. “(Qur’an 10:90-92).
As God promised in the Qur’an, the Pharaoh’s body was discovered at Thebes in the Valley of the
Kings by Loret in 1898. Elliot Smith removed its wrapping on July 8, 1907 and wrote a detailed
description in his book The Royal Mummies (1912).
In the late 1970s, President Anwar El-Sadat allowed the loan of the pharaoh’s mummy to Paris to
be studied. The Chief Surgeon in charge of the project was Dr. Maurice Bucaille.
Among the discovery made by the scientific team in Paris was the pharaoh’s cause of death: "… The
salt remnant in his body was the biggest evidence that he died drowning, and his body was
extracted from the sea after drowning immediately. Then quickly they carried and embalming
process of the body in order to preserve it…"
Dr. Maurice Bucaille was so fascinated by the discovery that he devoted himself to learning the
Arabic language in order to be able to read the Qur'an in its original text and to study its meaning.
In 1976 he wrote a book titled: “The Bible, the Qur’an and Science” which caused a furor in high
academic circles, particularly in the Christian world. In his book, Dr. Bucaille aimed to prove that the
Qur’an is in agreement with scientific facts, while the Bible is not. He claimed that in Islam, science
and religion have always been “twin sisters”. Also and according to Dr. Bucaille, there are
monumental errors of science in the Bible and not a single error in the Qur’an, whose descriptions
of natural phenomena make it compatible with modern science. Dr. Bucaille concluded that the
Qur’an is the reliable word of God.
So from which source could the author of the Qur’an have obtained the information that Pharaoh’s
body (who was already dead for centuries) was being preserved somewhere in Egypt, when the
method of mummification used by the ancient Egyptians was unknown until fairly recently? How
could Muhammad (pbuh) predict that the Pharaoh’s body would be discovered centuries after his
death as a sign? Furthermore, with no mention of this in the Old or New Testaments, how could
Muhammad (pbuh) have copied it from the Bible?
Muhamad didnt copy but the books and scrols existed hundred of years before his great grandfather was born! If im correct, then you cannot be sure muhmad didnt copy. If Bible lies, then any single word you pick from it is a lie and you are a liar too. If jewish prophets and Jesus were muslims, y were Christ disciples not muslems? Tel us anoda lie
Re: Going To Hajj In The Bible(evidence) by Ovacoma: 1:00am On Sep 26, 2014
Pls answer my previous questions how you muslims follow Jesus teachings. Do you pray in Jesus name in d mosque as commanded by Jesus? Do you also pray as Jesus taught His disciples to pray 'our Father who art in heaven, hallowed be Thy name, Thy kingdom come........' Matthew 6:9. Do you stil say isa is Jesus?
Re: Going To Hajj In The Bible(evidence) by mustang44: 4:05pm On Sep 26, 2014
Abdulsalam20: MUSTANG44 I AM WAITING OR YOUR RESPONSE
You muslims should blame your self proclaim prophet muhammad for failing to get his records corectly, not to blame it on christianity and judaism. Do not be brainwashed muhammad invented islam. No angel revealed anything to muhammad, muhammad simply dictated the quran that is why alot of false and twisted bible events are found in the quran. Instead of mislims to accept the terrible mistakes muhammad made and find a way to corect it, muslims shamelessly said that the bible is corupt. To show that muhammad was fake, he contradicted the revelations of prophets before him.
If the Torah and the Gospel were
tampered with by Jews and Christians,
then the testimony of the Quran to their
authenticity is false. If you say that the
Bible was tampered with after
Muhammad, that means that the Allah
of the Quran did not know that the Bible
would be corrupted. Either way, we have
to conclude that the Quran is not
trustworthy.
There were thousands of manuscripts
of the Bible in more than one language
in the hands of many Jews and
Christians. If anyone wanted to corrupt
the Bible, he must have access and
authority to collect all these manuscripts
to corrupt them, and that is next to
impossible.
The honesty of the Bible declares it
never was tampered with. The Bible is
absolutely honest.
The New Testament ends with these words:
F or I testify unto every
man that heareth the words
of the prophecy of this book,
if any man shall add unto
these things, God shall add
unto him the plagues that
are written in this book: and
if any man shall take away
from the words of the book
of this prophecy, God shall
take away his part out of
the book of life, and out of
the holy city, and from the
things which are written in
this book (Revelation
22:18,19). To claim that the Bible was corrupted,
You muslims have to give satisfactory answers to
the following questions:
When was the Bible corrupted?
Who corrupted the Bible?
Why should anybody corrupt the Bible?
What portions of the Bible were corrupted?
Where is the uncorrupted Bible to give
evidence of the corruption of the Bible we
have?
To prove that the dollar somebody holds is
forged, you have to have the authentic
dollar to compare it with the forged dollar.
The question is, "Do you have the true Bible
to compare it with the corrupted Bible?" If
the answer is "no," then to claim that the
Bible was corrupted is totally false.
The truth is that the Bible is the gold
standard by which the Quran should be
examined.
Allah commanded Muhammad,
I f thou wert in doubt as
to what we have revealed
unto thee, then ask those
who have been reading the
Book [the Bible] from
before thee (Surat Yunus
10:94).
This means that the Bible is the gold
standard by which the Quran should be
examined. It is inconceivable that Allah
would command Muhammad to seek advice
from people who read a corrupted book or
a book which could be corrupted!
To believe that the Bible is corrupted is to
believe a great deception that will hinder
you from reading and searching the
greatest book in the world - The Holy Bible,
the Glorious Word of God.
Why do Muslims
continually discredit the Bible on
grounds that the Qur'an/Koran,
though 600 years younger, has not
been corrupted like the Bible?
Were you aware that Muhammad
himself called the Christian Bible
(Injeel) "Guidance and Light".
Muhammad also commanded the
reading of the Christian Bible as
part of Islam. Have you read the
Christian Bible?
Why is the unity of the Qur'an so
strongly taught, when historical
records prove the contrary?
Qur'an 5:46/47 and
43:63;
"And in their (earlier
prophets) footsteps,
We sent Jesus the son
of Mary,
confirming the Taurat
(the Jewish Torah),
that had come before
him:
We sent him the Injeel
(the Christian Gospel),
therein was Guidance
and Light.
And confirmation of the
Taurat ( the Torah),
that had come before
him:
a Guidance and an
Admonition to those
who fear Allah."
"Let the People of the
Injeel (the Gospel),
judge by what Allah
had revealed therein.
If any do fail to judge
by what Allah had
revealed,
they are those who
rebel."
"When Jesus came with
Clear Signs, he said:
'Now I have come to
you with wisdom,
in order to make clear
to you some of the
(points)
on which you dispute*;
therefore fear Allah
and obey me**.
For Allah is my God
and your God***;
so worship you
Him****: this is a
straight way."
Again, below
Muhammad attests to
the Torah's authority.
So, for Muslims to
claim the Bible was
corrupted is an
argument already
lost....
n Sura 5:48 we are told
that Muhammad is given
the Qur'an as a
confirmation of the bible;
that is - it is meant to
prove the bible's
authenticity....
In Sura 46:12 we are
told.... " Yet before it
there was the Book of
Moses which was an
authority, and a mercy.
This (the Qur'an) is the
Book confirming it in
the Arabic tongue ....."
The general opinion and testimony of
Muslims that (unlike the Bible as they
assert) the Qur'an/Koran is clear and
uniform. There are no differing
versions and documents. There is but
one Qur'an and all Muslims
everywhere use the identical text,
given word for word by Gabriel to
Mohammed who, in turn, recited it to
his scribes and companions for
recording or memorization. These
pieces were collected under the
Khalifships of Abu Bakr and Umar by
Zaid-ibn-Thabith. When a little later
contentions arose between believers
because of differing recitations (in
prayer), Uthman ordered the text to
be edited according to the dialect of
the Quraish, and this text is the one
before us today.
As we shall see, this is not correct -
or it is, to say the least, a very
romantic concept.
We must say here, however, that by
"different versions" of the Bible is
generally meant various translations,
which do indeed have differences in
phrasing as any one translation of a
certain text has when compared to
another translation of the same text -
translations of the Qur'an not
excepted.
Muslims interpret the honesty
Christians display about some variant
readings of the Bible as weakness
and claim that the Qur'an never had
more than one version. Any
differences, they say, concerned
variant dialects only and never
affected the meaning of the text. This
is definitely incorrect as the following
paragraphs will prove.
The truth is, the Christian Bible can
be nearly reconstructed today from
the 24,800 copies of original
manuscripts still in existence and the
80,000 quotations from early church
fathers. Also, many people who
actually walked and talked with Jesus
wrote to us about His life. The
Christian Gospels were so widely
distributed that any attempt to
change (add/subtract) something in
the Christian Gospels would have
resulted in immediate discovery.
Muslims should note that
nowhere in the Qur'an there is
there even a suggestion that the
Biblical text has been altered or
corrupted. The word "tahrif" is
never used with reference to the
Bible itself. The Qur'an
occasionally accuses the Jews of
concealing the truth but it never
levels this accusation at
Christians. It in no way implies
that the text of the Bible has
been corrupted. In fact, the
Qur'an attests to the validity of
the Christian Gospels and the
Torah.
Jewish scribes painstakingly copied
the Torah via a system of checking,
double checking and adding each
letter on each line. Any attempt to
change something in the Torah would
have resulted in immediate discovery.
This same quality of transmission
cannot be said of the Islamic Qur'an.
The Islamic Qur'an was written down
from 3rd and 4th hand accounts; and
from a few thoughts written on scrap
papers --and compiled over 150 yrs
after Muhammad died in 632 A.D.
The oldest Qur'an dates from around
790 A.D. (after Jesus), and it is in the
British Library. That's 158 years after
Muhammad’s death.
Muslims often claim that the
manuscript of the Qur'an housed in
the Topkapi Museum in Istanbul,
Turkey is one of the oldest sources.
Muslims say it dates from around 650
A.D. There is an insurmountable
problem with this. This document is
written in Kufic (also known as al-
Khatt al-Kufi) script. Coins in the
British Museum show that the first
coins using the Kufi
Re: Going To Hajj In The Bible(evidence) by Abdulsalam20(m): 5:53pm On Sep 26, 2014
mustang44: You muslims should blame your self proclaim prophet muhammad for failing to get his records corectly, not to blame it on christianity and judaism. Do not be brainwashed muhammad invented islam. No angel revealed anything to muhammad, muhammad simply dictated the quran that is why alot of false and twisted bible events are found in the quran. Instead of mislims to accept the terrible mistakes muhammad made and find a way to corect it, muslims shamelessly said that the bible is corupt. To show that muhammad was fake, he contradicted the revelations of prophets before him.
If the Torah and the Gospel were
tampered with by Jews and Christians,
then the testimony of the Quran to their
authenticity is false. If you say that the
Bible was tampered with after
Muhammad, that means that the Allah
of the Quran did not know that the Bible
would be corrupted. Either way, we have
to conclude that the Quran is not
trustworthy.
There were thousands of manuscripts
of the Bible in more than one language
in the hands of many Jews and
Christians. If anyone wanted to corrupt
the Bible, he must have access and
authority to collect all these manuscripts
to corrupt them, and that is next to
impossible.
The honesty of the Bible declares it
never was tampered with. The Bible is
absolutely honest.
The New Testament ends with these words:
F or I testify unto every
man that heareth the words
of the prophecy of this book,
if any man shall add unto
these things, God shall add
unto him the plagues that
are written in this book: and
if any man shall take away
from the words of the book
of this prophecy, God shall
take away his part out of
the book of life, and out of
the holy city, and from the
things which are written in
this book (Revelation
22:18,19). To claim that the Bible was corrupted,
You muslims have to give satisfactory answers to
the following questions:
When was the Bible corrupted?
Who corrupted the Bible?
Why should anybody corrupt the Bible?
What portions of the Bible were corrupted?
Where is the uncorrupted Bible to give
evidence of the corruption of the Bible we
have?
To prove that the dollar somebody holds is
forged, you have to have the authentic
dollar to compare it with the forged dollar.
The question is, "Do you have the true Bible
to compare it with the corrupted Bible?" If
the answer is "no," then to claim that the
Bible was corrupted is totally false.
The truth is that the Bible is the gold
standard by which the Quran should be
examined.
Allah commanded Muhammad,
I f thou wert in doubt as
to what we have revealed
unto thee, then ask those
who have been reading the
Book [the Bible] from
before thee (Surat Yunus
10:94).
This means that the Bible is the gold
standard by which the Quran should be
examined. It is inconceivable that Allah
would command Muhammad to seek advice
from people who read a corrupted book or
a book which could be corrupted!
To believe that the Bible is corrupted is to
believe a great deception that will hinder
you from reading and searching the
greatest book in the world - The Holy Bible,
the Glorious Word of God.
Why do Muslims
continually discredit the Bible on
grounds that the Qur'an/Koran,
though 600 years younger, has not
been corrupted like the Bible?
Were you aware that Muhammad
himself called the Christian Bible
(Injeel) "Guidance and Light".
Muhammad also commanded the
reading of the Christian Bible as
part of Islam. Have you read the
Christian Bible?
Why is the unity of the Qur'an so
strongly taught, when historical
records prove the contrary?
Qur'an 5:46/47 and
43:63;
"And in their (earlier
prophets) footsteps,
We sent Jesus the son
of Mary,
confirming the Taurat
(the Jewish Torah),
that had come before
him:
We sent him the Injeel
(the Christian Gospel),
therein was Guidance
and Light.
And confirmation of the
Taurat ( the Torah),
that had come before
him:
a Guidance and an
Admonition to those
who fear Allah."
"Let the People of the
Injeel (the Gospel),
judge by what Allah
had revealed therein.
If any do fail to judge
by what Allah had
revealed,
they are those who
rebel."
"When Jesus came with
Clear Signs, he said:
'Now I have come to
you with wisdom,
in order to make clear
to you some of the
(points)
on which you dispute*;
therefore fear Allah
and obey me**.
For Allah is my God
and your God***;
so worship you
Him****: this is a
straight way."
Again, below
Muhammad attests to
the Torah's authority.
So, for Muslims to
claim the Bible was
corrupted is an
argument already
lost....
n Sura 5:48 we are told
that Muhammad is given
the Qur'an as a
confirmation of the bible;
that is - it is meant to
prove the bible's
authenticity....
In Sura 46:12 we are
told.... " Yet before it
there was the Book of
Moses which was an
authority, and a mercy.
This (the Qur'an) is the
Book confirming it in
the Arabic tongue ....."
The general opinion and testimony of
Muslims that (unlike the Bible as they
assert) the Qur'an/Koran is clear and
uniform. There are no differing
versions and documents. There is but
one Qur'an and all Muslims
everywhere use the identical text,
given word for word by Gabriel to
Mohammed who, in turn, recited it to
his scribes and companions for
recording or memorization. These
pieces were collected under the
Khalifships of Abu Bakr and Umar by
Zaid-ibn-Thabith. When a little later
contentions arose between believers
because of differing recitations (in
prayer), Uthman ordered the text to
be edited according to the dialect of
the Quraish, and this text is the one
before us today.
As we shall see, this is not correct -
or it is, to say the least, a very
romantic concept.
We must say here, however, that by
"different versions" of the Bible is
generally meant various translations,
which do indeed have differences in
phrasing as any one translation of a
certain text has when compared to
another translation of the same text -
translations of the Qur'an not
excepted.
Muslims interpret the honesty
Christians display about some variant
readings of the Bible as weakness
and claim that the Qur'an never had
more than one version. Any
differences, they say, concerned
variant dialects only and never
affected the meaning of the text. This
is definitely incorrect as the following
paragraphs will prove.
The truth is, the Christian Bible can
be nearly reconstructed today from
the 24,800 copies of original
manuscripts still in existence and the
80,000 quotations from early church
fathers. Also, many people who
actually walked and talked with Jesus
wrote to us about His life. The
Christian Gospels were so widely
distributed that any attempt to
change (add/subtract) something in
the Christian Gospels would have
resulted in immediate discovery.
Muslims should note that
nowhere in the Qur'an there is
there even a suggestion that the
Biblical text has been altered or
corrupted. The word "tahrif" is
never used with reference to the
Bible itself. The Qur'an
occasionally accuses the Jews of
concealing the truth but it never
levels this accusation at
Christians. It in no way implies
that the text of the Bible has
been corrupted. In fact, the
Qur'an attests to the validity of
the Christian Gospels and the
Torah.
Jewish scribes painstakingly copied
the Torah via a system of checking,
double checking and adding each
letter on each line. Any attempt to
change something in the Torah would
have resulted in immediate discovery.
This same quality of transmission
cannot be said of the Islamic Qur'an.
The Islamic Qur'an was written down
from 3rd and 4th hand accounts; and
from a few thoughts written on scrap
papers --and compiled over 150 yrs
after Muhammad died in 632 A.D.
The oldest Qur'an dates from around
790 A.D. (after Jesus), and it is in the
British Library. That's 158 years after
Muhammad’s death.
Muslims often claim that the
manuscript of the Qur'an housed in
the Topkapi Museum in Istanbul,
Turkey is one of the oldest sources.
Muslims say it dates from around 650
A.D. There is an insurmountable
problem with this. This document is
written in Kufic (also known as al-
Khatt al-Kufi) script. Coins in the
British Museum show that the first
coins using the Kufi
Re: Going To Hajj In The Bible(evidence) by Abdulsalam20(m): 6:23pm On Sep 26, 2014
*before i reply you post @ mustasang
you didnt reply to my post u claim quran was copied from bible
*u claim mosjid aqsa is a church
with those evidence above i think you will agree with me that quran wasnt copied from bible?*before i reply you post @ mustasang
you didnt reply to my post u claim quran was copied from bible
*u claim mosjid aqsa is a church
with those evidence above i think you will agree with me that quran wasnt copied from bible but now u are raising another question i expect u to prove all what i posted above wrong and stand on your claim
?
Re: Going To Hajj In The Bible(evidence) by Nobody: 12:47am On Sep 27, 2014
Ovacoma: Pls answer my previous questions how you muslims follow Jesus teachings. Do you pray in Jesus name in d mosque as commanded by Jesus? Do you also pray as Jesus taught His disciples to pray 'our Father who art in heaven, hallowed be Thy name, Thy kingdom come........' Matthew 6:9. Do you stil say isa is Jesus?

No. Muslims don't follow the teachings of prophet isah (A.S)

Why u may ask.

Because.

Whenever a prophet is sent by Allah (S.W.T)
He brings something new ( a new law)
That is different from that of a previous prophet.

Muslims will follow the teachings of prophet Muhammad (S.A.W) because He came with a new law (the quran) and also, he is the seal of prophets
Re: Going To Hajj In The Bible(evidence) by Nobody: 12:53am On Sep 27, 2014
mustang44: Another big islamic hallucination. There is absolutely nothing concerning muhammad in the bible. No kabba or mecca in the bible too. Muslims are wasting their time looking for anything islamic in the bible, because they are not there.
Re: Going To Hajj In The Bible(evidence) by Nobody: 12:55am On Sep 27, 2014
mustang44: Another big islamic hallucination. There is absolutely nothing concerning muhammad in the bible. No kabba or mecca in the bible too. Muslims are wasting their time looking for anything islamic in the bible, because they are not there.

That's the reason why we can't have a fair argument.

He has clearly quote a verse from d bible, if u don't believe him, u are to verify by checking d bible for the verse.

And if it doesn't rhyme, then u should quote the message u saw on the verse to prove he is wrong.

Instead all these abuses
Re: Going To Hajj In The Bible(evidence) by Abdulsalam20(m): 7:25am On Sep 27, 2014
Ovacoma: Pls answer my previous questions how you muslims follow Jesus teachings. Do you pray in Jesus name in d mosque as commanded by Jesus? Do you also pray as Jesus taught His disciples to pray 'our Father who art in heaven, hallowed be Thy name, Thy kingdom come........' Matthew 6:9. Do you stil say isa is Jesus?
jesus say Mathew 7:21-24

“Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter
into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my
Father which is in heaven. Many will say to me in that day,
Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy
name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many
wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never
knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity. Therefore
whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I
will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a
rock”
AS YOU CAN SEE JESUS TELL YOU TO PRAY DIRECTLY TO GOD BUT NOT IN HIS NAME
but paul has turn everything upside down
he said in the name of jesus the blind will see HE SAID WHEN YOU EAT POISON YOU WILL NOT DIE PLS I BEG YOU PLS CALL JESUS NAME AND EAT POISON
I HAVE A CLIP HERE A MAN CLAIM HE CAN DO MIRACLE THEN THE VERESE was recited for hin he couldnt eat poison blind man was rought forward he couldnt open his eye the person who cant walk also was brought he couldnt do anything
AND AS YOU CAN SEE THIS STATEMENT CONTRADICT PAUL TEACHING
Mathew 7:21-24

“Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter
into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my
Father which is in heaven. Many will say to me in that day,
Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy
name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many
wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never
knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity. Therefore
whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I
will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a
rock”
AND PAUL HAS TELL YOU THE TRUTH THAT HE RECEIVE REEATION FROM SATAN
"And lest I should be exalted above measure through the
abundance of the revelations, there was given to me a thorn in
the flesh, the messenger of Satan to buffet me, lest I should be
exalted above measure." ( 2Corinthians 12:7 ) (K.J.V.)
What does this verse mean please?
Messenger of Satan given him the Abundance of Revelations,
and torturing him (not to tell the truth) for him to be honoured,
glorified and exalted above measure!
The messenger of Satan tortured him in order not to tell the
truth, if not so, why torture?
NON OF YOU PRAY AS JESUS PRAY JESUS ONLY PRAY IN THE NAME OF GOD.......NO CHRISTIAN PRAY AS JESUS RAY
AND MIND YOU JESUS IS NOT SON OF GOD HE IS A SERVVANT OR MESSENGER OF GOD CAN ASK FOR PROOF I WILL POST IT
Re: Going To Hajj In The Bible(evidence) by Abdulsalam20(m): 7:27am On Sep 27, 2014
MuhdG:

That's the reason why we can't have a fair argument.

He has clearly quote a verse from d bible, if u don't believe him, u are to verify by checking d bible for the verse.

And if it doesn't rhyme, then u should quote the message u saw on the verse to prove he is wrong.

Instead all these abuses
JAZAKUMULAHU QAIRAN SIR......I HAVE BEEN WAITING FOR THEIR RESPONSE SINCE BUT THEY KEPT ON DERAILING
Re: Going To Hajj In The Bible(evidence) by Nobody: 8:51am On Sep 27, 2014
Abdulsalam20:
JAZAKUMULAHU QAIRAN SIR......I HAVE BEEN WAITING FOR THEIR RESPONSE SINCE BUT THEY KEPT ON DERAILING
Re: Going To Hajj In The Bible(evidence) by Nobody: 8:52am On Sep 27, 2014
Abdulsalam20:
JAZAKUMULAHU QAIRAN SIR......I HAVE BEEN WAITING FOR THEIR RESPONSE SINCE BUT THEY KEPT ON DERAILING

From my experience.

When they are beaten, instead of admitting it, they turn the debate into an accusation centre and a platform of insults
Re: Going To Hajj In The Bible(evidence) by Abdulsalam20(m): 9:35am On Sep 27, 2014
MuhdG:

From my experience.

When they are beaten, instead of admitting it, they turn the debate into an accusation centre and a platform of insults
EXACTLY........THERE IS A THREAD I ALSO CREATED THAT JESUS IS NOT LORD THE ONLY THING THEY DO IS TO INSULT............I JUST PRAY MAY GOD GUIDE THEM TO THE TRUE PART
Re: Going To Hajj In The Bible(evidence) by superstar1(m): 9:38am On Sep 27, 2014
It is highest level of irresponsibility and a clear demonstration of inferiority complex, if you have to be using the holy book of others to buttress your faith.

Believe in whatever you believe and leave the faith of others out of your battle of conviction in your mind, that you are on the right path.
Re: Going To Hajj In The Bible(evidence) by superstar1(m): 9:43am On Sep 27, 2014
Abdulsalam20:
EXACTLY........THERE IS A THREAD I ALSO CREATED THAT JESUS IS NOT LORD THE ONLY THING THEY DO IS TO INSULT............I JUST PRAY MAY GOD GUIDE THEM TO THE TRUE PART

If Jesus is not Lord, who bloody cares? Or how has that made Muhammed happier wherever he is?

Face your Muhammed and Allah and leave others to their faiths, whether they are worshipping God through Jesus or Sango or Buddha.

Respect the faith of others, by facing yours squarely, rather than bad mouthing others faith,just to assuage your complex and to convince your confused mind that you are on in the right path. Religion is personal and is eternal, know that and respect that. Even muhammed did not get all to follow his faith. How much more you?

Therefore face your Islam and stop confusing yourself further.
Re: Going To Hajj In The Bible(evidence) by Abdulsalam20(m): 10:31am On Sep 27, 2014
superstar1:

If Jesus is not Lord, who bloody cares? Or how has that made Muhammed happier wherever he is?

Face your Muhammed and Allah and leave others to their faiths, whether they are worshipping God through Jesus or Sango or Buddha.

Respect the faith of others, by facing yours squarely, rather than bad mouthing others faith,just to assuage your complex and to convince your confused mind that you are on in the right path. Religion is personal and is eternal, know that and respect that. Even muhammed did not get all to follow his faith. How much more you?

Therefore face your Islam and stop confusing yourself further.
thanks for the message the main reason why i always post all these post is to educate all these christians creating islamaphobia because they dont even understand what jesus actually taught them
Re: Going To Hajj In The Bible(evidence) by superstar1(m): 10:44am On Sep 27, 2014
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Abdulsalam20:
thanks for the message the main reason why i always post all these post is to educate all these christians creating islamaphobia because they dont even understand what jesus actually taught them

Islamaphobia was created and being fanned by the criminals that have hijacked Islam and using it to perpetrate evil. Such as Al Qaeda, ISIS, Ansaru, Boko Haram etc.

Your energy should be channeled towards confronting and defeating this criminals and devilish people that are staining the faith of Islam and killing in the name of the religion. This is 21st century and not 7th century. What was a norm then, is a crime against humanity now.

I have always believe that, if the God I am worshipping cannot defend Himself, by doing whatever He likes to.whoever His blaspheming against Him, why should I defend Him. Why should He, the Higher Being, rely on me that I am human to defend Him. If He is waiting for me to defend Him by beheading others for Him or terrorising others or going to war on His behalf, then I am also a God on to myself then.

For the people that are saying rubbish about Islam, just because they are islamaphobic, leave them and let God Almighty judge them according to the way He wishes. You cannot defend God, because you are mortal.

If Christians do not even understand what Jesus XT taught them, is it you that is reading their bible for argument sake that will now understand it?
Re: Going To Hajj In The Bible(evidence) by Ovacoma: 5:18pm On Sep 27, 2014
MuhdG:

No. Muslims don't follow the teachings of prophet isah (A.S)

Why u may ask.

Because.

Whenever a prophet is sent by Allah (S.W.T)
He brings something new ( a new law)
That is different from that of a previous prophet.

Muslims will follow the teachings of prophet Muhammad (S.A.W) because He came with a new law (the quran) and also, he is the seal of prophets
. Who are you, did i ask you a question? Pls go sit down. I say Isa is different from Jesus and i prove it to abdusalam20, i want him to prove otherwise.
Re: Going To Hajj In The Bible(evidence) by Ovacoma: 5:54pm On Sep 27, 2014
Abdulsalam20:
jesus say Mathew 7:21-24

“Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter
into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my
Father which is in heaven. Many will say to me in that day,
Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy
name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many
wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never
knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity. Therefore
whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I
will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a
rock”
AS YOU CAN SEE JESUS TELL YOU TO PRAY DIRECTLY TO GOD BUT NOT IN HIS NAME
but paul has turn everything upside down
he said in the name of jesus the blind will see HE SAID WHEN YOU EAT POISON YOU WILL NOT DIE PLS I BEG YOU PLS CALL JESUS NAME AND EAT POISON
I HAVE A CLIP HERE A MAN CLAIM HE CAN DO MIRACLE THEN THE VERESE was recited for hin he couldnt eat poison blind man was rought forward he couldnt open his eye the person who cant walk also was brought he couldnt do anything
AND AS YOU CAN SEE THIS STATEMENT CONTRADICT PAUL TEACHING
Mathew 7:21-24

“Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter
into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my
Father which is in heaven. Many will say to me in that day,
Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy
name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many
wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never
knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity. Therefore
whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I
will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a
rock”
AND PAUL HAS TELL YOU THE TRUTH THAT HE RECEIVE REEATION FROM SATAN
"And lest I should be exalted above measure through the
abundance of the revelations, there was given to me a thorn in
the flesh, the messenger of Satan to buffet me, lest I should be
exalted above measure." ( 2Corinthians 12:7 ) (K.J.V.)
What does this verse mean please?
Messenger of Satan given him the Abundance of Revelations,
and torturing him (not to tell the truth) for him to be honoured,
glorified and exalted above measure!
The messenger of Satan tortured him in order not to tell the
truth, if not so, why torture?
NON OF YOU PRAY AS JESUS PRAY JESUS ONLY PRAY IN THE NAME OF GOD.......NO CHRISTIAN PRAY AS JESUS RAY
AND MIND YOU JESUS IS NOT SON OF GOD HE IS A SERVVANT OR MESSENGER OF GOD CAN ASK FOR PROOF I WILL POST IT
. Read mathew 18: 5, 18:20. Mark 9:37, 39,41, mark 16:17, Luke 9:48. John 14:13-14, 26, john 15: 16, 23, 24, 26. Back to Matthew 3:21 to 27, Jesus refers to the false prophets that use His name without obeying His words. Jesus gave reasons why He will reject ths group of people. To know why Jesus will reject them, start reading from verse 15, it says 'Beware of false prophets, which cometh to you in sheep clothing, but inwardly, they are ravening wolves'. Read everything to verse 27. Then you will see that these people can even be identified by their actions. Verse 18 says 'a good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit'. Verse 20 says 'wherefore by their fruit ye shall know them'. Then verse 21 to 23 say Jesus will reject the people with evil fruit as He refers to them as workers of 'iniquity'. Jesus does not say those who pray in my name. But, y do yu have to lie to make ur religion authentic? Do you ever read the word of Jesus in Matthew 12: 36 that says 'every idle idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgement?
Re: Going To Hajj In The Bible(evidence) by Ovacoma: 6:10pm On Sep 27, 2014
Abdulsalam20:
jesus say Mathew 7:21-24

“Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter
into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my
Father which is in heaven. Many will say to me in that day,
Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy
name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many
wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never
knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity. Therefore
whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I
will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a
rock”
AS YOU CAN SEE JESUS TELL YOU TO PRAY DIRECTLY TO GOD BUT NOT IN HIS NAME
but paul has turn everything upside down
he said in the name of jesus the blind will see HE SAID WHEN YOU EAT POISON YOU WILL NOT DIE PLS I BEG YOU PLS CALL JESUS NAME AND EAT POISON
I HAVE A CLIP HERE A MAN CLAIM HE CAN DO MIRACLE THEN THE VERESE was recited for hin he couldnt eat poison blind man was rought forward he couldnt open his eye the person who cant walk also was brought he couldnt do anything
AND AS YOU CAN SEE THIS STATEMENT CONTRADICT PAUL TEACHING
Mathew 7:21-24

“Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter
into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my
Father which is in heaven. Many will say to me in that day,
Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy
name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many
wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never
knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity. Therefore
whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I
will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a
rock”
AND PAUL HAS TELL YOU THE TRUTH THAT HE RECEIVE REEATION FROM SATAN
"And lest I should be exalted above measure through the
abundance of the revelations, there was given to me a thorn in
the flesh, the messenger of Satan to buffet me, lest I should be
exalted above measure." ( 2Corinthians 12:7 ) (K.J.V.)
What does this verse mean please?
Messenger of Satan given him the Abundance of Revelations,
and torturing him (not to tell the truth) for him to be honoured,
glorified and exalted above measure!
The messenger of Satan tortured him in order not to tell the
truth, if not so, why torture?
NON OF YOU PRAY AS JESUS PRAY JESUS ONLY PRAY IN THE NAME OF GOD.......NO CHRISTIAN PRAY AS JESUS RAY
AND MIND YOU JESUS IS NOT SON OF GOD HE IS A SERVVANT OR MESSENGER OF GOD CAN ASK FOR PROOF I WILL POST IT
Again, can you say a prophet that is involved in mass killing bear good fruit? A prophet that raided and ordered the raiding of caravans, does that prophet bear good fruit? What about a prophet that attack and killed innocent people, even guity people, does that man obey Jesus command that 'he that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her' John 8: 7? Will a good fruit bearer be sleeping with a 9 year old girl, and allowing his followers to rape the girls and women captured in war? No, these are iniquities in the sight of God.

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