vooks:
What web?
Are you afraid of expressing your fickle arguments out of fear that they can't stand the Hammer that is God's Word?
Hezekiah prayed, he was healed and added another 15 years THEREFORE Jesus NEEDS @Kenny4lyfe's PERMISSION to take him home. Is this your thinking?

Don't you mistake my hesitation for fear bro.
I'm only giving you the opportunity to put your "thinking" on the table.

Kenny4lyfe:



Don't you mistake my hesitation for fear bro.
I'm only giving you the opportunity to put your "thinking" on the table.

vooks:

Thank you WinsomeX for this perspective

You see WoF is basically a casino that thrives on probabilities. Here is how;

1. 'Divine Health'- the idea that you can be disease free by combining faith with 'healing verses' and 'sowing seed'.
Subscribers of this doctrine will naturally look for proof of its efficacy. The proponent will either present himself as proof or refer to others who never seem to be sick. This is a very small fraction of ANY congregation anywhere. Of course some people for genes or whatever reasons live near disease-free lives. Nothing to do with their faith.
Armed with this 'proof' the believers will be emboldened in their own belief for 'divine health' being healing of any ailment afflicting them and an assurance of continuation of the same. The 'anomalies' who form majority believers of the doctrine who are sick are presented as
either going through 'attacks',lacking enough faith to muster this lifestyle or living in sin. When the proponents fall sick, they will seek medical solutions in UTMOST SECRECY
So you can't prove nor disprove this since there is a ready excuse for either state

vooks:

2. 'Kingdom Prosperity'- Works on the same balance of probabilities. In any group of people, some will register significant increase in their income streams and wealth. Again this has nothing to do with faith. This is quite a few as the majority remain the same or deteriorate. Obscene spotlight is shone on the few 'examples' of success to prove that the teaching works. This blinds the followers to the majority who don't register any improvement in their finances. Again excuse for these majority 'anomalies' are weak faith,sin,curse,rebellion,'wilderness experience', test of patience,carnality and so forth

vooks:

3. Death- Here we run into headwinds seeing poverty/suffering,health and death are all consequences of the Fall of Man.
It is a glaring contradiction to teach believers that it is possible to live disease-free and poverty-proof life yet they are still dying.
You can't possibly entertain the idea that death still reigns supreme even after the cross since in that case you would be forced to explain why the other two can't reign. You can't rubbish death by flashing your immortality unlike your wealth and health either

vooks:

You are forced to cling to straw mbaemeka style in convincing yourself that your death is somewhat different from that of other lesser mortals.
Foreknowledge of your death is not necessarily proof of victory over death. Suicide victims,or terminally ill too are seldom caught offguard by death
Long life too is no victory over death seeing non-believers too live just as long and in any case, you will still die.
Being alive at Jesus return is no proof either; many unbelievers will be there too
That's why mbaemeko is clinging to the CONSENT Theory of Christian death. It is basically driven by a need to act God at any cost. What a pity. He will read ANY meaning into any portion of scripture to keep his theory intact

vooks:
Thinking is the only activity that separates you from animals. So it is unfortunate that you can't or won't think through.
God may need our consent to save/bless us. If we reject his salvation/blessing, we perish/remain 'unblessed'. There is nothing inconsistent or absurd with man resisting(not consenting) Holy Spirit to his damnation. But there is every lunacy in man resisting(not consenting) his Creator to his immortality!
CONSENT means permission. It may mean merely agreeing but if the agreeing is a NECESSARY condition for death to happen,then technically Jesus needs your permission to take you home
You may also want to show me examples of those who misunderstood Paul as yourself and are still with us today thousands of years later
Enock was translated, he never tasted death. Why do you aks?

mbaemeka:


If only you realized how idiotic some of your questions are, I am not sure you would keep asking them to me. You are saying too many conflated things and one cannot really tell if it just based on infantile whims or if you are indeed seeking clarity. I asked you a question about Hezekiah and I expect you to answer it as it may help us see who is actually using a thinking faculty or who is just being a troll.

Hezekiah was asked to put his house in order by a sovereign God, but he didn't agree with the idea and the sovereign God let him have his way. If Hezekiah had told you that he had such closeness with his God would you not have made jokes of his statement as you are trying to do mine?

Since Enoch did not die, and it wasn't the rapture yet why do you then feel that it is only the rapture that would prevent death for ANY christian?

vooks:
I have answered your question on Hwzekiah in a reply to @Kenny4lyfe
We don't need clarity in your Consent Theory of Christian Death, Jesus will ONLY call you home with your consent. Without your consent you are immortal....immortal negro

Again, Enock like Simeon who you have conveniently abandoned won't advance your Rhapsodies crap. He was translated. Elijah too and Mary if you are into Catholicism mysticism. God CAN translate all Christ Embassy hooligans to hell sparing them first death just he did Enock,Elijah. How does this advance your theory?

You brought up Christ return to demonstrate victory over death since some Christians will still be alive. That's marine invertebrate IQ. why so, ONLY the living Christians at that time can boast of victory over death if victory means escaping death. The rest of the dead were sore losers. Their resurrection and glorification notwithstanding they are sore losers

VICTORY over death is manifested in RESURRECTION, a futuristic event. Read 1 Corinthians 15 backwards twice. That's the essence of a believer's hope. In the meantime, believers and non believers suffer the same fate; death.

Christ death was never meant to tinker with our lifespan and it is insulting to label longer lifespan victory over death because you still die anyway and Christ Embassy hooligans have no monopoly of long life. Do they live long anyway?

mbaemeka:


You do not know what victory over death is and you wouldn't ask. You would create an idea in your head and say this what so so and so believe and they are wrong yet you would not care to understand what they know or are conscious of that you are not. Only oafs behave that way.

I am tempted to teach you what the bible refers to as victory over death but you would not understand it. Let me give you a little hint hoping you would catch it one day. Hebrews says Christ tasted death ONCE and for all for EVERY MAN. If it is physical death why do people still die and if it is spiritual death why would some people still go to hell? Can flesh and blood inherit the kingdom of God? If not, then how would a man enter into Heaven (a region in the kingdom of God) ? If the man enters with his spirit what happens to the body of the man?

James 2:26 says death is when the spirit leaves the body and Paul calls christian death sleep.

If you had high spiritual IQ you would be ok but the sad thing is that you don't. And it is spiritual IQ one needs to discern spiritual things. (I hope this doesn't pass you by)

vooks:
Winsomex,
Going through some of our exchanges with mbaemeka. I can't believe I wrote that. Now, what is this am hearing? I pray it is a rumor


http://www.pmnewsnigeria.com/2015/11/26/chris-oyakhilome-offered-me-r10-000-to-sit-in-a-wheelchair-stand-up-and-walk/

Cc Joagbaje,SirJohn,Gombs

Gombs:



you might want to recheck your link.

y'all make me crack up with laughter.

sonofdsoilme:
Good morning, Sir John. I want to say some things to you not just as a CE member but as a christian as well. You talk about the TRUTH, I want to know your motive for this posts, maybe you are doing it to hurt Pastor Chris and his ministry, but the TRUTH is you are doing this against the kingdom and the gospel of our Lord Jesus. Did you for once thought of the many that will fall out of faith because of this same posts of yours. Did you consider the advancement of the kingdom? Did anyone give his or her to Christ because of your posts? Did this your posts give glory to God? Do not just read this post and criticize it, think deeply about your actions. Consider many that are giving up on the efficacy of God just by reading your posts. I call on you to desist. I beg you to stop now. The kingdom of God will always prosper and excel with or without you preaching it but don't who is the son of perdition, refuse to be a tool of destruction. May God bless you as you put an end to all this.

donnie:


He is on a mission that failed even before he started. Jesus said the gates f hell shall nit revail against the church. This is very evident, looking at the global ministry called Christ Embassy. Before he started this thread, the healing school held only in SA. Now its in SA, Canada and Nigeria with mighty testimonies.

In fact, a session is on-going in Canada right now. God's hand is upn the healing school and uon His servant Rev Dr. Chris Oyakhilome. That's why any attempt of theirs to discredit this ministry always ends in shame and disapointment.

The last session in SA was attended by 5000 ministers of the gospel from other ministries who traveled from 150 countries to meet with the man of God in SA. Where have you heard of such before? Ok, they are all foolish and only SirJohn is wise abi? The healing school is not a TV show, it is a ministry.

I think the guy SirJohn should bury his head in shame while he awaits the final sentence from Jesus Christ himself.

stephenmorris:
best thread ever no christian Christ Embassy member was able to refute the claims of sir john

dorox:

Fixed.

donnie:


It is self deception to think that this thread is against christ embassy. No, it is an attack against the truth of the gospel which every true christian believes. But like i said earlier, it comes to nothing because we are more than conquerous.

nnenneigbo:
it's all about money to them. Just a bunch of brainwashed blind followers. Yes I'm talking about CE

donnie:


You're looking at the wrong thing. The Holy Ghost is the one who has brought us thus far. We've been talking like this for decades. You guys called us childish and naive. Funny enough, some still do, but our childlike faith in God's Word has brought us this far... I was in CE b4 we even had rhapsody, talkless of healing school.

As for money... Jesus sent us, therefore we have all we need to do whateva we've been commanded to. So MON£¥ boku. You havent seen anything yet.

donnie:


You're looking at the wrong thing. The Holy Ghost is the one who has brought us thus far. We've been talking like this for decades. You guys called us childish and naive. Funny enough, some still do, but our childlike faith in God's Word has brought us this far... I was in CE b4 we even had rhapsody, talkless of healing school.

As for money... Jesus sent us, therefore we have all we need to do whateva we've been commanded to. So MON£¥ boku. You havent seen anything yet.

donnie:


You're looking at the wrong thing. The Holy Ghost is the one who has brought us thus far. We've been talking like this for decades. You guys called us childish and naive. Funny enough, some still do, but our childlike faith in God's Word has brought us this far... I was in CE b4 we even had rhapsody, talkless of healing school.

As for money... Jesus sent us, therefore we have all we need to do whateva we've been commanded to. So MON£¥ boku. You havent seen anything yet.

nnenneigbo:


The followers have no money, only the man. Others steal or go without to enrich him in the name of Jesus. Because give and it shall be given unto you. Don't forget your tithes and offering and this and that.

Heck, just give them your blood so they'll be happy. In churches, especially CE, the poor get poorer and the rich richer.

Many of them are so vile and have the cheek to come and preach near me. I know how to handle them for sure.

nnenneigbo:


The followers have no money, only the man. Others steal or go without to enrich him in the name of Jesus. Because give and it shall be given unto you. Don't forget your tithes and offering and this and that.

Heck, just give them your blood so they'll be happy. In churches, especially CE, the poor get poorer and the rich richer.

Many of them are so vile and have the cheek to come and preach near me. I know how to handle them for sure.

donnie:


I smell frustration... ndo.
Besides, only a fool will believe the nonsense you just typed.

You talk like someone who just escaped from a psychiatric home. Any sane person should ask: "if the followers have no money, how are they able to do big things around the world?"

The poor are getting poorer and they still stay...our numbers increasing around the world? Truth cannot hide. When you see us, nobody needs to tell you that we are blessed and favoured, it oozes...

Gombs:


You really wish this were true... You're sorely hurt by something... What is it?




Look closely at any dedicated Christ Embassy member, you'd hardly ever see poverty mentality lurking around them... We don't get poorer here... We shine brighter and brighter unto the perfect day!

Oya, go start telling people I said no poor folks amongst us... Seems your have a bit challenge assimilating the above.




Wait till I get to you... You'd so love me ehn!... And yeah, you'd then love pastor Chris... As he loves Christ!

Kenny4lyfe:
...this thread can continue for the next one decade and we @CE will keep waxing stronger and bigger. #fact

nnenneigbo:


You guys only love pastor Chris and will die for him.

Poverty abounds in those churches when you scratch the surface.

He's just thriving from the poor and keeping them more in poverty.

Gombs:


One can't make y'all happy.

If I love him, Wahala, if I don't Wahala! OK, come let me love you... You don't want to take my offer... Nne, maka gini zi?



Your opinion, it's been noted.




Lol... Hilarious!

He's one of the top 10 individual employers of labor in Nigeria (note, individual, not board, or company) , a philanthropist, gave 1 billion Naira (yeah, billion) to BIU, sends thousands of Children to school, raised world class gospel artists, etc... Yet, you sit there thinking he's thriving on the poor... Let's assume these folks were really poor, where then do you think the monies come from? A bank loan?... Ah, I hear you wanting to say tithes and offerings? Hahahahahha

Think about it, if those were really tithes and offering, the church could then not be termed as abounding in poverty,would it?

Point is, you're really pained about nothing... Baseless and slanderous remarks won't make you a better person... Or successful either.

nnenneigbo:

It is people like you scammers I love in real live not online. Ikiku kuo, ahu Ike okuko.

The so called born agains are so quick to insult, no difference btw non born agains and the born agains.

The difference should be clear as night and day but it ain't. It's like Justin beibers fans, you guys ain't going as Jesus said but just fans of pastor Chris.

What big things are they doing around the world. The pastor is just taking the donations and lining his own personal pocket. Whatever big thing you're talking about is in ur head and dream, not real live.