The Israelites were held hostage in Egypt until God interceded on their behalf, the manner in which they were delivered will always remain one of the most unsolved mysteries of all time. Moses was sent to demonstrate the miraculous power of God against one of the world's greatest empires at the height of its glory. Israel was delivered from Egypt by means of devastating plagues to demonstrate God's wonders as the supreme Lord of creation, to fulfill the Abrahamic Covenant, and to evangelize the world.

But to me, the scapegoat in all this was Pharaoh - the most powerful man of his generation. Plagues after plague, he was willing to let the isaraelis go until God hardened his heart. Pharaoh did not harden his heart, God did. So my question goes thus, why did God harden Pharaoh's heart hence making him look like the most terrific king of all time?

jamb qwession

It's all a myth. It never happened

Plagues after plague, he was willing to let the isaraelis go until God hardened his heart. Pharaoh did not harden his heart, God did

And Christians talk about free will..

That was what pharoah wanted. God did not harden his heart, He only permitted pharoah to do so.

Belexy95: That was what pharoah wanted. God did not harden his heart, He only permitted pharoah to do so.

You guys always twisting the word of your God. Didn't your Bible say that your God did it to show Pharaoh his might (sadism, I should call it).

If u culd research deeply, at the end of everything in the deep sea, God sent an angel to remove Pharoah from the see so he culd finally get to see His miraculous power and wonder at it. Pharoah at the end of everything believed God and worshipped Him. That's why the Bible said for unto this purpose you hav been risen to see d miraculous power of God. Yes he was jst an instrument whom God used to show forth His wonders, but at the end of it all, God had mercy on him and delivered him from death.

he was a good person before?

hifaif:
Didn't your Bible say that your God did it to show Pharaoh his might

is that a bad thing?

tpia1: he was a good person before?

The Saddam Hussein of his time. On a more serious note, this Christian God is a funny one.

Belexy95: That was what pharoah wanted. God did not harden his heart, He only permitted pharoah to do so.

Why are twisting the word of god? You are on your way to hell fire ...you will burn forever and ever. Oh ! what a merciful god jehovah is?

majorgr: If u culd research deeply, at the end of everything in the deep sea, God sent an angel to remove Pharoah from the see so he culd finally get to see His miraculous power and wonder at it. Pharoah at the end of everything believed God and worshipped Him. That's why the Bible said for unto this purpose you hav been risen to see d miraculous power of God. Yes he was jst an instrument whom God used to show forth His wonders, but at the end of it all, God had mercy on him and delivered him from death.

So pharaoh is in heaven now? Good. But where is this your imagined story in the bible? stop talking about 'researches' that were not more than the rich imaginations of some extinct church folks. Remember the curse already put in place by jehovah concerning those who add to his word?

majorgr: If u culd research deeply, at the end of everything in the deep sea, God sent an angel to remove Pharoah from the see so he culd finally get to see His miraculous power and wonder at it. Pharoah at the end of everything believed God and worshipped Him. That's why the Bible said for unto this purpose you hav been risen to see d miraculous power of God. Yes he was jst an instrument whom God used to show forth His wonders, but at the end of it all, God had mercy on him and delivered him from death.

Are you saying God slaughtered all those soldiers and eventually saved pharaoh just to prove who is stronger? Now just because you can read the bible does not make u a bible scholar

tpia1:


is that a bad thing?

Yes. Sounds like what only a power-drunk god with human weaknesses would do.

Oduduwaboy:
So pharaoh is in heaven now? Good. But where is this your imagined story in the bible? stop talking about 'researches' that were not more than the rich imaginations of some extinct church folks. Remember the curse already put in place by jehovah concerning those who add to his word?

nigizjay:
Are you saying God slaughtered all those soldiers and eventually saved pharaoh just to prove who is stronger? Now just because you can read the bible does not make u a bible scholar

I understand dat u are both concerned as to where I got this info. I wud hav showed u in details, unfortunately, I'm typing frm a mobile phone, dats why I culdnt bring out a more detailed description from the Bible. Other source, pls consult the Book of Jasher another archeological discovery jst as the old testament book, it was quoted in the Bible twice to inform readers that if they want confirmation and affirmation they shud read it. The book of jasher states a more detailed discription of wat realy transpired during the book of Genensis, and its chronological order is very accurate and remarkable, it has been interpreted frm its original Hebrew to English for easy comprehension. Now let me giv u the two part from the Bible dat told us to behold it is written in the Book of Jasher meaning as good scholars of God we shud research it: joshua 10:13 and 2sammuel 1:18. Afterall the Bible said at the witness of two or three the matter is established I hav given u two witnesses frm the Bible asking scholars who wish to further their research. I hav been researching the Word of God now for about 8yrs, I woundt hav much time here to decipher all it states in the Bible now, bt it is a remarkable experience to get to understand fully the book of Genesis in details. I strongly suggest u shud study this book it was written in striking resemblance of the scripture. Afterall it was even quoted in the Bible and many other such saints in the Bible also quoted it including Stephen before he was stoned! A note of warning it is more dan 400pages, and be careful not to get the ffake one, many people of old tried to fake this book, to help u, the word jasher is from an Hebrew origin, it is not d name of any prophet as some may hav written wrong material using this name, the word jasher means upright, in other word, it is the book of the upright. For the other poster, note carefully, I did not say pharoah went to heaven I said he later came to the realisation of God supreme powers and belived, whether he went to heaven or not, I do not knw, I'm simply telling u wat happened back then. Thank U.

majorgr: I understand dat u are both concerned as to where I got this info. I wud hav showed u in details, unfortunately, I'm typing frm a mobile phone, dats why I culdnt bring out a more detailed description from the Bible. Other source, pls consult the Book of Jasher another archeological discovery jst as the old testament book, it was quoted in the Bible twice to inform readers that if they want confirmation and affirmation they shud read it. The book of jasher states a more detailed discription of wat realy transpired during the book of Genensis, and its chronological order is very accurate and remarkable, it has been interpreted frm its original Hebrew to English for easy comprehension. Now let me giv u the two part from the Bible dat told us to behold it is written in the Book of Jasher meaning as good scholars of God we shud research it: joshua 10:13 and 2sammuel 1:18. Afterall the Bible said at the witness of two or three the matter is established I hav given u two witnesses frm the Bible asking scholars who wish to further their research. I hav been researching the Word of God now for about 8yrs, I woundt hav much time here to decipher all it states in the Bible now, bt it is a remarkable experience to get to understand fully the book of Genesis in details. I strongly suggest u shud study this book it was written in striking resemblance of the scripture. Afterall it was even quoted in the Bible and many other such saints in the Bible also quoted it including Stephen before he was stoned! A note of warning it is more dan 400pages, and be careful not to get the ffake one, many people of old tried to fake this book, to help u, the word jasher is from an Hebrew origin, it is not d name of any prophet as some may hav written wrong material using this name, the word jasher means upright, in other word, it is the book of the upright. For the other poster, note carefully, I did not say pharoah went to heaven I said he later came to the realisation of God supreme powers and belived, whether he went to heaven or not, I do not knw, I'm simply telling u wat happened back then. Thank U.

Okay. At least you have agreed that the bible is not a complete or perfect work as we have been made to believe...it needs to be supported by the Book of Jasher where ever that came from. Why do you think the book of jasher is any different from the apocryphal or the book of mormons or the seven books of moses?

hifaif:

Yes. Sounds like what only a power-drunk god with human weaknesses would do.

oh well, no one said life was fair.

tpia1:



oh well, no one said life was fair.

Don't understand you

how should i explain?

tpia1: how should i explain?

I wouldn't mind understanding how god hardening a man's heart just to destroy him and his people becomes an issue that supports the fact that life is not always fair.

was there no other option for pharaoh besides the hardening of his heart?

were his choices limited to that alone?


and no, life isnt fair, that's how the cookie crumbles my dear.

tpia1: was there no other option for pharaoh besides the hardening of his heart?
were his choices limited to that alone?
and no, life isnt fair, that's how the cookie crumbles my dear.

Can a puppet choose?

Who is to blame if the puppet knocks over a glass of water? The puppet or the person controlling the puppet?

Who are we to blame for the pharoah's "hardened heart" in the exodus legend? The Pharoah or the God that "hardened his heart"

tpia1: was there no other option for pharaoh besides the hardening of his heart?

were his choices limited to that alone?


and no, life isnt fair, that's how the cookie crumbles my dear.

You talk of choices. What choices when god kept on hardening his heart. There were clearly no choice. The only choice was to stop the Israelites from leaving (a choice caused by the hardening of his heart. Something he didn't decide for himself. A choice that was made for him by god).

I agree life isn't fair though. But in the case of that particular pharaoh, it was god that was not fair.

Martian:

Can a puppet choose?

Who is to blame if the puppet knocks over a glass of water? The puppet or the person controlling the puppet?

Who are we to blame for the pharoah's "hardened heart" in the exodus legend? The Pharoah or the God that "hardened his heart"

so his heart was not hard before, right?

you are only complaining because it got harder.

hifaif:

You talk of choices. What choices when god kept on hardening his heart. There were clearly no choice. The only choice was to stop the Israelites from leaving (a choice caused by the hardening of his heart. Something he didn't decide for himself. A choice that was made for him by god).

I agree life isn't fair though. But in the case of that particular pharaoh, it was god that was not fair.

did the Israelites suddenly decide to leave for no reason?

when mercy is not your forte, then dont complain when hardness becomes your weakness.

Life can never be fair, this is something you have to learn.

tpia1:
so his heart was not hard before, right?
you are only complaining because it got harder.

I don't know if it was hard, soft or semi-solid. My question is, who is to blame for the puppet's actions? The puppet(pharoah) or the puppeteer( yahwey)

tpia1:


did the Israelites suddenly decide to leave for no reason?

when mercy is not your forte, then dont complain when hardness becomes your weakness.

Life can never be fair, this is something you have to learn.

I am sorry, I may never understand how your post helps this thread. Tanx for sharing your thoughts with me though.

tpia1:
so his heart was not hard before, right?
you are only complaining because it got harder.

the legend says your
1) your god killed all the first borns
2) It was because of Pharoah's hardened heart
3)god hardened paharoah's heart

Let's assume, tpia1 was an Egyptian in this story. Who does Tpia1 blame for the death of his first born?
The Pharoah or God?

there were about 170 pharoahs and their names are known, if d bible is not a scam, why did they not name the specific pharoah involved. ur guess is as good as mine it never happened . that story is jst plain BS.

hifaif:

I am sorry, I may never understand how your post helps this thread. Tanx for sharing your thoughts with me though.

you should first try to understand why you're suddenly trying to make pharaoh a good guy who suddenly got his heart hardened, instead of acknowledging he was a bad guy from the getgo who was offered many chances to repent, all of which he turned down.

tpia1:


you should first try to understand why you're suddenly trying to make pharaoh a good guy who suddenly got his heart hardened, instead of acknowledging he was a bad guy from the getgo who was offered many chances to repent, all of which he turned down.

How would he have accepted the many chances to repent when the person offering the chances was also making it impossible for him to accept?

How would you feel if you were shackled and dying of thirst and I placed a bowl of water before you but refuse to unshackle you?

tpia1:


you should first try to understand why you're suddenly trying to make pharaoh a good guy who suddenly got his heart hardened, instead of acknowledging he was a bad guy from the getgo who was offered many chances to repent, all of which he turned down.

He was offered no chance that I read of. Can you state one chance he was given before god began hardening his heart?