Abu-Maryam:

Gradually, the truth will come out. The whole thing na business. We knw this one.

Backslider:

God save pastor Chris

hopegirl:

I love pastor Chris and these is shocking to me, i'm not yet able to absorb, and i don't believe.

hopegirl:

We will understand these things by, and by. I love pastor Chris and these is shocking to me, i'm not yet able to absorb, and i don't believe.

hopegirl:

Sir John,
I read your posts and sense passion in your words, this leads me to ask "whats in this for you?"

hopegirl:

Sir John,
I read your posts and sense passion in your words, this leads me to ask "whats in this for you?"

hopegirl:

NOTE!, I'm not a member of CE, I attend winners, living Faith and happy about the undiluted word I get from there. All I'm saying is that we should all be very careful about these things, why make generalizations from someone else's accounts? How sure are you they are true or that there are no misconceptions, I'm not disposing or attesting, I'm just saying be careful. Remember, "slow to speak, , slow to react" I just say everyone should follow his and her belief, the bible is the true and only testament as Christians and our decisions should not be based on a pastor this, or that. 'because Jesus is our ultimate example.

hopegirl:

Bishop Oyedepo? Why are people so apt at haunting down and stabbing men of God? anyway, if a man of God has erred before, is that suppose to be their grave? behind the God, there's a man, so their status don't change the fact that they're mortals, human and prone to mistakes. I hope y'all be very careful at pointing, ttalks note that, the only barren woman in the bible who never gave birth was Micah, who talked against Gods anointed.

SirJohn:

"Touch Not the Lord's Anointed," The familiar recourse of the deceiver and the deceived whenever falsehood and deceit is being exposed. Perhaps we should take a moment to trash this issue once and for all.
Let’s take a look at the scripture for a moment:

"And confirmed the same unto Jacob for a law, and to Israel for an everlasting covenant, saying, Unto thee will I give the land of Canaan, the lot of your inheritance; When they were but a few men in number; yea, very few, and strangers in it. When they went from one nation to another, and from one kingdom to another people; He suffered no man to do them wrong; yea, he reproved kings for their sakes; Saying, Touch not mine anointed, and do my prophets no harm." (Psalm 105:10-15.)

Many preachers today teach that if anyone criticizes them, or finds fault with them in any way, or goes against their wishes, then that miserable fellow has "Touched the Lord's anointed." Many eloquent sermons have been preached to warn those who would dare commit such a sin that they face the unmitigated wrath of Almighty God. But is it what that verse really talks about?

The immediate context of the verse is a reference to the patriarch Jacob, who was not an ordained preacher, at least not as we would understand that concept today. Just what kind of hazard was Jacob in fear of as he wandered from one nation to another people? Did he live in mortal dread that someone, somewhere, would criticize him? No, his concern was that the heathen would use physical violence against him. Read his complaint in

Genesis 34:30: "And Jacob said to Simeon and Levi, Ye have troubled me to make me to stink among the inhabitants of the land, among the Canaanites and the Perizzites: and I being few in number, they shall gather themselves against me, and slay me; and I shall be destroyed, I and my house."

It is clear that to touch the Lord's anointed is to commit an act of physical violence against the one anointed by God. It does not refer to those who verbally attack and criticize a preacher and his doctrine. Such verbal attacks may be quite wrong and sinful, and in some cases they may be commendable and necessary

(see Jesus criticizing the Pharisees in Matthew 23, Paul criticizing Peter in Galatians 2:14-21, Paul versus the Judaizers in Galatians 5:12, Philippians 3:2, etc.) but they are not covered by the idea "Touch not the Lord's anointed."

You made reference to I Samuel 24:6-7, where David had an opportunity to have King Saul killed, but refused to take advantage of it: "And he said unto his men, The Lord forbid that I should do this thing unto my master, the Lord's anointed, to stretch forth mine hand against him, seeing he is the anointed of the Lord. So David stayed his servants with these words, and suffered them not to rise against Saul. But Saul rose up out of the cave, and went on his way." Immediately afterward, David publicly criticized Saul in front of 3000 of Saul's troops, as well as his own 600 men, saying "The Lord judge between me and thee, and the Lord avenge me of thee: but mine hand shall not be upon thee. As sayeth the proverb of the ancients, Wickedness proceedeth from the wicked, but mine hand shall not be upon thee." (1 Samuel 24:12-13.) No one seemed to feel that David was touching the Lord's anointed by this open rebuke of Saul. It is clear that to touch the Lord's anointed involved violence against his person, not criticism, rebuke or reproof.

Why, then, do we hear so much whining from preachers today who warn their followers, and their critics, not to touch the Lord's anointed? Just what do these preachers have to hide, and what are they so anxious to cover up?

To rebuke a preacher who has committed errors of false doctrine or practice cannot be the sin of touching the Lord's anointed, because it does not involve the use or threat of physical violence. Such rebuke is appropriate and even commanded in certain instances. "But when Peter was come to Antioch, I withstood him to the face, because he was to be blamed." (Galatians 2:11.) "Wherefore rebuke them sharply, that they may be sound in the faith." (Titus 1:13.) "Against an elder receive not an accusation, but before two or three witnesses. Them that sin rebuke before all, that others also may fear," (1 Timothy 5:19-20.) The office of elder here is the same as the scriptural office of bishop or pastor and they could not be higher in rank than the Apostle Peter, who Paul rebuked publicly before the congregation of Antioch.

WHO THEN IS THE LORDS ANOINTED?
Since we are instructed so many times that we must not touch the Lord's anointed, it might help to check out the New Testament and find out just who are the Lord's anointed today. In 2 Corinthians 1:21-22 we read;
"Now he which stablisheth us with you in Christ, and hath anointed us, is God; who also hath sealed us, and given the earnest of the Spirit in our hearts." The Apostle John tells us, "But ye have an unction from the Holy One, and ye know all things,  But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him." (1 John 2:20,27.)

There we have it - all Christians are the Lord's anointed. How could it be otherwise? In Old Testament times, only some believers were priests, but in this age of grace, we are all priests: "Ye also, as lively stones, are built up a spiritual house, an holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ ,  But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvelous light." (1 Peter 2:5,9.)

So my dear Prizeless, in the light of this glorious truth,  you are just as guilty because I am also the Lords Anointed.

ttalks:

Apart from the accounts delivered here by Sir John, there have been so many situations surrounding Pastor Chris and his ways that could easily enable any reasonable person to conclude that he's got some issues that need to be aired in the public for the safety of the souls of people.Apart from his healing gimmicks,, a[b] true bible student or right divider of the word of God can easily tell that a lot of the doctrine and teachings he spews out are against the doctrine of Christ [/b] .i.e.They do not conform or are not in line with the doctrine and teachings of Christ.

biolabee:

can anyone post anything exactly on pastor chris's doctrines as in like a quick summary?

SirJohn:

- The Christian has the very "pulsating life" of God and is therefore in the same class with God.
- Jesus was tormented in hell by demons, fought with them as a man and defeated them as a man "like you and me"
- Jesus was born again
- The Christian is a "superman", he is "indestructible",  has the same abilities as Jesus, has "dynamic ability to cause changes"
- God is exactly the same height as Adam, in the neigbourhood of 6ft thereabout.
- "God cannot interact with anything less than himself in class so He elevated the 'new creation' to his class so He can relete with him


to mention but a few

naomijt:

@biolabee

Pastor Chris is a phoney.

He is a liar

He claimed God has seven spirits

He preached the sixth dimension crap

Says u need to switch off the light, clear your mind and concentrate to hear from God

Ye are God!

As he is so are we in this world

He has set a course that he must follow

Money is everything to him

He is worth hearing

You need to be a partner before u can attend healing school

He is always right

He is a friend to occultic T.B Joshua

He preaches that Jesus went to hell

He says James doesn't know how the kingdom functions

The apostle Paul attended one of his meetings

John's death is not the way a proper christian should die

He can't be sick . . . He can't be broke

Liar!


Phew!

So many . . . I lost count

SistaSista:

what u've qouted here scares me. i have been at Christ embassy for many years and these things that u say are unbiblical are all i've known and believed for a very long time. where to from here? this is scary,

SistaSista:

what u've qouted here scares me. i have been at Christ embassy for many years and these things that u say are unbiblical are all i've known and believed for a very long time. where to from here? this is scary,

naomijt:

SirJohn,

Since u quoted me, then u need to take it out too

Mind u, I have seen bulletin and i have been to their site. If your partnership commitment is not up to a certain amount then u can't attend. Is this one right? If it is not, I will take it down

[/quoteHe can't be sick . . . He can't be broke
] The power life and death are in the tongue, He's simply desgning his destiny by speaking some specific words, and it works. It's a free world though, you can decide or choose to say you will be sick and broke. Its as simle as that.

[/quoteDavid Oyedepo claims that Feet-washing is a religious rite instituted by Jesus Christ as a means of connecting to the priesthood, and a means of miracles and all that.
] please read John 13:4-15 carefully, emphasis on 14 and 15, asking us to keep on doing it. vs 8 says if I wash thee not, thou has no part in me, washing of is symbolic and it gives us a part in Jesus. having a part in Jesus, you can get healed; hence miracles because sickness cannot be in Jesus.

hopegirl:

The power life and death are in the tongue, He's simply desgning his destiny by speaking some specific words, and it works. It's a free world though, you can decide or choose to say you will be sick and broke. Its as simle as that.