PastorKun:
@tartar9
This thread confirms that you are a fundermentalist and either currently a terrorist or a potential one. What makes you think a true God would need mortal humans to clear the way for his worship? Is he so weak that he can't do it himself What makes you feel you are following the right path apart from the fact that you have been brainwashed from your childhood days?

Ifeann:


Tartar9 is being honest here. Unlike the majority of Muslims he stated facts about the command to spread Islam via force and jihad.
Here are some narrations, hadiths and quran verses to understand his mindset.

Tabari VIII:35/Ishaq:464 "The Jews were made to come down, and Allah's Messenger imprisoned them. Then the Prophet went out into the marketplace of Medina (it is still its marketplace today), and he had trenches dug in it. He sent for the Jewish men and had them beheaded in those trenches. They were brought out to him in batches. They numbered 800 to 900 boys and men."

Tabari VIII:40 "The Messenger of God commanded that furrows should be dug in the ground for the Qurayza. Then he sat down. Ali and Zubayr began cutting off their heads in his presence."

Quran 8:39. "And fight with them until there is no more persecution and religion should be only for Allah; but if they desist, then surely Allah sees what they do."

Qur'an (9:29)-"Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued."

Sura 9:5. "When the sacred months are over slay the idolaters wherever you find them. Arrest them, besiege them, and lie in ambush everywhere for them."

Bukhari 2:24: Allah's Apostle said: "I have been ordered (by Allah) to fight against the people until they testify that none has the right to be worshipped but Allah and that Muhammad is Allah's Apostle, and offer the prayers perfectly and give the obligatory charity, so if they perform a that, then they save their lives and property from me except for Islamic laws and then their reckoning (accounts) will be done by Allah."

Obadiah77:
The OP is a potential terrorist.
Where are the SSS when you need them? His accout should be track and he should be arrested.

usermane:
It is an empty charade. I have sniffed his game. By the way, he created the same topic in Islam section. You may want to check; www.nairaland.com/1986401/jihad-it-only-defense

tartar9:
where did i support terrorism? Terrorism is infact haram,Jihad is far more glorious than that,just see what those kharijites terrorist haved reduced Jihad to,petty terrorism!

PastorKun:


There is no difference btw your so called jihad and terrorism.

Ifeann:


Tartar9 is being honest here. Unlike the majority of Muslims he stated facts about the command to spread Islam via force and jihad.
Here are some narrations, hadiths and quran verses to understand his mindset.

Tabari VIII:35/Ishaq:464 "The Jews were made to come down, and Allah's Messenger imprisoned them. Then the Prophet went out into the marketplace of Medina (it is still its marketplace today), and he had trenches dug in it. He sent for the Jewish men and had them beheaded in those trenches. They were brought out to him in batches. They numbered 800 to 900 boys and men."

Tabari VIII:40 "The Messenger of God commanded that furrows should be dug in the ground for the Qurayza. Then he sat down. Ali and Zubayr began cutting off their heads in his presence."

Quran 8:39. "And fight with them until there is no more persecution and religion should be only for Allah; but if they desist, then surely Allah sees what they do."

Qur'an (9:29)-"Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued."

Sura 9:5. "When the sacred months are over slay the idolaters wherever you find them. Arrest them, besiege them, and lie in ambush everywhere for them."

Bukhari 2:24: Allah's Apostle said: "I have been ordered (by Allah) to fight against the people until they testify that none has the right to be worshipped but Allah and that Muhammad is Allah's Apostle, and offer the prayers perfectly and give the obligatory charity, so if they perform a that, then they save their lives and property from me except for Islamic laws and then their reckoning (accounts) will be done by Allah."

tartar9:
where did i support terrorism? Terrorism is infact haram,Jihad is far more glorious than that,just see what those kharijites terrorist haved reduced Jihad to,petty terrorism!

azaino:


Religion of peace indeed, it is evidently clear what islam stands for, with all these(quotes), still a right thinking human being will lie to protect evil. What makes human thinks that he can fight for a God in all his supremacy, this should be total Haram in islam. Even without being religious, i have got a brain and it tells me that it is absurd to compel someone to accept your believe. I refuse to follow a God that i will be fighting for. God should rather fight for his children

Obadiah77:


You are a member pf Boko haram?

tartar9:
what is bokoharam :-x

Obadiah77:


You are mad, are you leaving in togo?

tartar9:
actually,i live in france.

tartar9:
who is compelling who?

azaino:


Be listening to news, you will see how ISIS are forcing christain to covert to muslim or be killed

tartar9:
thats not really true,they were given options.

Ifeann:


The choice is

Convert to the evil ideology of Islam pay the jizyah
Or be beheaded, just as Mohammed did in his time.

tartar9:
they should pay their tax nah?

PastorKun:


On whose authority should they pay tax And on what basis?

tartar9:
dont you pay tax to the state? the jizya tax is even far less than what they use to pay before.

PastorKun:


So if I pay tax to the state does that justify paying tax to terrorists So how do you and your compatriots charge now as jizya?

tartar9:
dont you pay tax to the state? the jizya tax is even far less than what they use to pay before.

usermane:


what is the purpose of the jizya? Is it not to degrade them? Is state tax as degrading as Jizya?

tartar9:
the jizya is for their protection.some jurists even rule that they wont pay the jizya if they join the military.

Tafsir Ibn Kathir>>Qur'an 9:29

Paying Jizya is a sign of disbelief and disgrace

Allah said, (until they pay the Jizyah), if they do not choose to embrace Islam, (with willing submission), in defeat and subservience, (and feel themselves subdued.), disgraced, humiliated and belittled. Therefore, Muslims are not allowed to honor the people of Dhimmah or elevate them above Muslims, for they are miserable, disgraced and humiliated. Muslim recorded from Abu Hurayrah that the Prophet said, "Do not initiate the Salam to the Jews and Christians, and if you meet any of them in a road, force them to its narrowest alley." This is why the Leader of the faithful `Umar bin Al- Khattab, may Allah be pleased with him, demanded his well-known conditions be met by the Christians, these conditions that ensured their continued humiliation, degradation and disgrace.

usermane:


your own foremost Qur'an interpreter, Ibn Kathir said ;

tartar9:
whether its a sign of disbelieve is not the issue here.the issue is that it is very fair and not unjust so i see no reason why it should be humiliating. If anything its unfair to the muslims

tartar9:
thats not really true,they were given options.

azaino:


Options to do what ? Can you state the options given to them as you said