IanDiamonds:
I guess the argument stands since I've once again proved the analogy right.

IanDiamonds:
Yes they we're, and we can use cain as an example as spelt out in Genesis 4:6 - 7
6. Then the LORD said to Cain, "Why are you angry? And why has your countenance fallen? 7. "If you do well, will not your countenance be lifted up? And if you do not do well, sin is crouching at the door; and its desire is for you, but you must master it."

I think I'll begin to question your Knowledge of how well you know the bible

sinequanon:


It is on topic. I am only explaining the source of your ranting to you -- you still need to "test yourself" against your bible.

Your explanation that you are seeking space and less animosity does not ring true, imo.

I don't think that challenging your bible and talking about a sky daddy is about fulfilling your excuse of "more space". It is about going through a process of detachment. I have no particular issue with it. I just remark about it.

joseph1013:



So you need to begin by telling us how sins, causatives and punishments were spelt out in the Mosaic law and contrast that with the so-called Adamic, Noahic and Abrahamic law. That is the way to pass in school. Which school did you say you went to again?

joseph1013:


lol...who says it has to ring true to you? That it does not ring true to you does not make you right.

Are you a trained psychologist? If yes, show us prove. If not, who maketh thee a judge over such a thing as this? Go and form 'expertness' in your field bro.

I guess you have no desire to take my word for it, so you just have to take your leave in peace. Is that too much to ask?

ooman:


Ok. But which one really truly matters? my faith in god or my action?

If its action, why do I need to have faith?
If its faith, why do I need to act?

PastorAIO:


I don't know anything about any Adamic covenant, o. But I know htere was a covenant with Noah and with Abraham and with Isaac and with Jacob.

What is a covenant? A deal, to put it succinctly. An agreement.

With Noah God made a deal never to destroy the world by water again. That is the Noah covenant. It did not require anything for Noah to do in return.

With Abraham the deal was that God would give him a whole heap of things if he would cut off the foreskin of his Mr. Johnson and those of his sons.

There are many other covenants in the bible.

I don't think that Noah and Abrahams covenants came with any laws as such, except to chop off the tip of Mister johnson.

Noah's covenant came with absolutely no stipulations on the part of Noah.

honourhim:


Yea full affirmation because i ve experienced the truth as contained in them and I'm still experiencing it. Both directly ad indirectly.

I have no reason not to believe what i ve tested and proved to be true. Thanks.

honourhim:


Yea. He is the creator of all things. He also never pretends about his person.

The best is to accept him as written in the bible than carving out our own idea of him. Thanks.

IanDiamonds:

Do you believe in YAHWEH the Abrahamic God..?

philfearon:

You are wasting your time with those questions bro...If you don't have anything to say,go your way!!

IanDiamonds:


Funny you are. You like asking questions but you dont like being asked.
I take this as a No? Might I know If I'm right you mean No?

joseph1013:


Hey buddy, there is no need to punctuate your comments with such statements as 'You are free to choose to love God or hate him, it your choice'. Of course it is my choice and it came by virtue of some really rigorous search.

So back to our discourse. Since there is no law to cause sin, what is the basis for the punishment melted out on Cain in the first instance? Why was Cain punished for what he was not warned about?

One of the things I have noticed about the religious is their tendency to resort to extra-biblical explanations and interpretations. Saying I don't know is often a problem for them. And that is exactly the reason why there are so many sects and denominations in all versions of religions.

You have to ask yourself: why does an all-loving, all-knowing, all-powerful God leave his children in this constant confusion that has led men into wars and witch-hunts where tens of millions have been killed.

Shirley07:

You still don't get it, do you?
Inbreeding was the only way Adam and Eve generation could multiply the world in that Era.
When God told Adam and Eve to multiply the world, who do you think they and their offsprings were going to mutiply with, when they were the only human in the world.
You deviating from christianity has no meaning to me because you were never a christian to begin with. What you did was to practise religion as a result of being born in a christian, you never experienced salvation nor a true conviction.
And let me tell you, salvation is a personal experience. You're not saved by being born into a christian home nor by being a pastor's son/daughter.
Remember this, being religious is never christianity. Shalom

philfearon:

He created the Other god(s) and Lucifer too right?

philfearon:


You are contradicting yourself again here...If I am to accept him as he is,of what purpose is the Freewill he gave me?.

philfearon:
.For the fact that he doesn't know that his creation will revolt against him makes him a "less-knowing creator" and a creator who is afraid of his creation.....
He should have seen all this things,why did he still allow it and then at some point,he is noted to "regret" it.....How is that possible for an all-knowing God?

frank317:


So its now been established that Cain and others slept with their sisters even though the bible didn't say so.

Can I also conclude that Adam slept with one of his daugthers after eve died?

philfearon:
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You Asked me if I believe in God,I answered you and said yes...
You now started asking me if I believe in Yahweh again...What God were you referring to previously then?

honourhim:

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Yes he is all-knowing. He knows the end from the beginning, that means he knew lucifer will fall when he created him, he knew man will fall and he created him. The redemption plan was made from the foundation of the world and this also shows he knew man will fall. .

PastorAIO:


Yahweh the Noahic God which is not to be confused with Yahweh the Adamic God.

philfearon:

Lol. ....You are trying so hard to defend and protect your God. ..

philfearon:

Prevention as is noted, is better than cure; Of what use is redemption When perfection could have prevented "The Fall"?

joseph1013:
A lil rant (3)

GOD CURES CANCER BUT CANNOT BOIL AN EGG

Religious people think God can create a universe from nothing but they know he can't mow a lawn. He can cure cancer but can't boil an egg.

I sometimes wonder why people think God can do impossibly hard things when they know he cannot do the simplest things a child can do. Why do we think God can do some things but not others?

It seems that God CANNOT do anything that has a fully predictable outcome. We know how to boil an egg but leave the egg, saucepan and water out for God to do the job and it will never happen.

However, we do not know how to cure a common cold. Colds almost always get better but we cannot predict exactly when you will recover. That is where God comes in.

There is a place for God in any process that we do not fully understand or that has an outcome that can be predicted only as a probability. There's a great probability of driving safely from Lagos to Ibadan so that's a job for God. And guess what? God takes care of you 99.98% of the time. Perfect, God works!

No, God does not work. God is self-deception on an industrial scale.

honourhim:



Those who defend God won't be open enough to make some of the points I made.

Redemption is operational in this world while perfection is in heaven. Again that's how he wants it.
Without redemption we won't know his mercy.

So will you reject redemption because you are not ok with the fact that he didn't give you perfection?

honourhim:


Yea he created lucifer and his fallen angels.





Yes he is all-knowing. He knows the end from the beginning, that means he knew lucifer will fall when he created him, he knew man will fall and he created him. The redemption plan was made from the foundation of the world and this also shows he knew man will fall.

He said he is a potter who creates some things unto honour and some things unto dishonour. As a creator he has his concept for creation. All these things could be part of his concept for creation and there's nothing any of us can do about it than to look at what he has put on ground for us and make our choices accordingly. Whichever one you choose then you face whatever comes with it. That's the truth. It may be bitter but that's what it is. For me I have no problem with God and his ways.

sinequanon:


The information is for me, so of course it has to ring true to me. LOL.

Isn't that how everybody makes up their mind?

And no. Just because I ask, doesn't mean I am going to take your word for it. Your answer has to ring true to me, first, and your's doesn't. It is a discussion board, and that it how information does or does not flow.

Shirley07:

You still don't get it, do you?
Inbreeding was the only way Adam and Eve generation could multiply the world in that Era.
When God told Adam and Eve to multiply the world, who do you think they and their offsprings were going to mutiply with, when they were the only human in the world.
You deviating from christianity has no meaning to me because you were never a christian to begin with. What you did was to practise religion as a result of being born in a christian, you never experienced salvation nor a true conviction.
And let me tell you, salvation is a personal experience. You're not saved by being born into a christian home nor by being a pastor's son/daughter.
Remember this, being religious is never christianity. Shalom

Weah96:


Faith healers usually avoid amputees and the blind, choosing instead to heal people with diabetes and arthritis in front of the congregation. That ties into what you're saying.

frank317:


If God knows the end from the beginning, created Lucifer despite knowing that Lucifer will revolt against him and make man, his loving creation, to disobey him, then this whole drama makes no sense.

This your ideology only makes your God sound more silly and confused.

Why does he get angry at what he knew would happen?
Why does he regret creating man despite knowing he would sin against him?
Why is he asking people to come to him all those that are heavy laden when he already knows those who would perish and those who would yeild to his call.

Are u trying to tell me that God knew he would get angry or unhappy at man's behaviour even before he created man?

If God already know I will not yeild to his call of repentance, of what use is ur preaching to me?

Or am I getting you wrong? I am beginning to think your God is a psycho (no insult intended, just the conclusion from what I read from ur post)

frank317:


If God knows the end from the beginning, created Lucifer despite knowing that Lucifer will revolt against him and make man, his loving creation, to disobey him, then this whole drama makes no sense.

This your ideology only makes your God sound more silly and confused.

Why does he get angry at what he knew would happen?
Why does he regret creating man despite knowing he would sin against him?
Why is he asking people to come to him all those that are heavy laden when he already knows those who would perish and those who would yeild to his call.

Are u trying to tell me that God knew he would get angry or unhappy at man's behaviour even before he created man?

If God already know I will not yeild to his call of repentance, of what use is ur preaching to me?

Or am I getting you wrong? I am beginning to think your God is a psycho (no insult intended, just the conclusion from what I read from ur post)

joseph1013:


I agree. Consider the following example real life.

Many years ago, a friend was featured on TV. He was at a popular monthly religious healing meeting, very visibly being healed of epilepsy. I say visibly because he was having a fit right on stage. The 'spirit' of epilepsy was cast out and my friend returned home rejoicing.

A few months later, my friend was dead. He died of an epileptic fit. Died because the university students around him didn't know about safe positioning of a 'fitting' person. He died of a condition he had been cured of.

I lost a friend to cancer, despite the prayers of many. Not the containable type of cancer, treatable by resection surgery, but one that had spread. I lost another friend to cancer who refused to undergo treatment but chose to 'have faith.' Neither faith nor prayer could cure her.

I know 2 people with incurable auto-immune diseases, who are yet to be cured, despite their faith and the prayers of many.

Faith healers CANNOT heal people of incurable diseases. They CANNOT grow out amputated limbs. They CANNOT create new eyeballs where there's been none. They CANNOT make a bone fully heal on the same day that it breaks. They CANNOT reverse the paralytic effects of polio or the musculoskeletal imbalance of cerebral palsy. They CANNOT raise the truly dead.

The things that they do, that convince the unsuspecting hoipolloi to believe, can be explained in many of several other ways. I've seen enough of these healings on video, and heard enough testimonies. What we need is for a skeptic to go about with a camera to investigate these accounts of healing and miracles and post the results on social media.

It won't stop the believers from believing, but at least it should bring a different spin to the discussion.

joseph1013:


Again, the challenge of coming up with these assertions is that we open up a world of questions about their implications.

So, let's say Gos permitted in.ce.st by Cain. Why would God do that? Why does an all-knowing, all-powerful God do that?

Couldn't an all-knowing God design a creation plan that did not necessitate in.ce.st of the type that God would later make punishable by death? (Death is nothing mild, remember.) Was the in.ce.st requirement an "oops, my bad" slip of mind?

Was his God-breath not high octane enough to fuel multiple pairs of first generation humans whose children would not have to procreate with close relatives?

Think about it?

joseph1013:


I agree. Consider the following example real life.

Many years ago, a friend was featured on TV. He was at a popular monthly religious healing meeting, very visibly being healed of epilepsy. I say visibly because he was having a fit right on stage. The 'spirit' of epilepsy was cast out and my friend returned home rejoicing.

A few months later, my friend was dead. He died of an epileptic fit. Died because the university students around him didn't know about safe positioning of a 'fitting' person. He died of a condition he had been cured of.

I lost a friend to cancer, despite the prayers of many. Not the containable type of cancer, treatable by resection surgery, but one that had spread. I lost another friend to cancer who refused to undergo treatment but chose to 'have faith.' Neither faith nor prayer could cure her.

I know 2 people with incurable auto-immune diseases, who are yet to be cured, despite their faith and the prayers of many.

Faith healers CANNOT heal people of incurable diseases. They CANNOT grow out amputated limbs. They CANNOT create new eyeballs where there's been none. They CANNOT make a bone fully heal on the same day that it breaks. They CANNOT reverse the paralytic effects of polio or the musculoskeletal imbalance of cerebral palsy. They CANNOT raise the truly dead.

The things that they do, that convince the unsuspecting hoipolloi to believe, can be explained in many of several other ways. I've seen enough of these healings on video, and heard enough testimonies. What we need is for a skeptic to go about with a camera to investigate these accounts of healing and miracles and post the results on social media.

It won't stop the believers from believing, but at least it should bring a different spin to the discussion.