holatin:
Firstly I marvel at the amount of ogogoro the mod that transfer this to front page must Ve been under without him changing the title.

And you know nairaland to be a place, religion fanatic will say anything to rubbish a religion different from them.


The verse you mentioned has been greatly misconceived
by many people who focus merely on its surface
meaning, taking it to allow wife beating. When the
setting is not taken into account, it isolates the words in
a way that distorts or falsifies the original meaning.
Before dealing with the issue of wife-battering in the
perspective of Islam, we should keep in mind that the
original Arabic wording of the Holy Quran is the only
authentic source of meaning. If one relies on the
translation alone, one is likely to misunderstand it

"According to Quran the relationship between the
husband and wife should be based on mutual love and
kindness. Allah says: "And among His Signs is this, that
He created for you mates from among yourselves, that ye
may dwell in tranquility with them, and He has put love
and mercy between your (hearts): verily in that are Signs
for those who reflect." (Quran: Ar-Rum 21)
The Holy Quran urges husbands to treat their wives with
kindness. (In the event of a family dispute, Quran
exhorts the husband to treat his wife kindly and not to
overlook her positive aspects). Allah Almighty says:
“Live with them on a footing of kindness and equity. If
ye take a dislike to them it may be that ye dislike a
thing, and Allah brings about through it a great deal of
good.” (Quran: An-Nisaa 19)

As to those women on whose part
you fear disloyalty and ill-conduct, admonish them
(first), (next), refuse to share their beds, (and last) beat
them (lightly); but if they return to obedience, seek not
against them means (of annoyance); for Allah is most
High and Great (above you all). If you fear a breach
between them twain, appoint (two) arbiters, one from his
family and the other from hers. If they wish for peace,
Allah will cause their reconciliation; for Allah has full
knowledge and is acquainted with all things." (Quran:
An-Nisaa 34-35)
It is important to read the section fully. One should not
take part of the verse and use it to justify one's own
misconduct. This verse neither permits violence nor
condones it. It guides us to ways to handle delicate
family situation with care and wisdom. The word
"beating" is used in the verse, but it does not mean
"physical abuse". The Prophet (p.b.u.h.) explained it
"dharban ghayra mubarrih" which means "a light tap that
leaves no mark". He further said that face must be
avoided. Some other scholars are of the view that it is
no more than a light touch by siwak, or toothbrush.




TELL ME HOW A TAP COULD BE CALLED BEATING.

ooman:


Let him actually start from the beginning - Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, and Deuteronomy and let see if he won't see such.

poundlander:
the title is misleading, its inciting and generalizing. Op if your dad behave the animal way,that doesn't mean everybody does.@Mod,...

kestolove95:
but y?..d christainity I practice dosnt teach mi to sae bad abt other religion...u ar not a muslim,u a christain lyk mi nd I want u to knw dat u a fake christain....peopl like u dat dnt evn go to church or read d bibble ar d onex dat alwaz cox cinfusion,gt a life respct peopl religion cox xtsinity preaches love nd tolerance..oritsefor followers.

Ifeann:


I would love to explain about the deity of Jesus if you like you can PM(email) me questions or you can create a topic and Christians, myself included will explain it further because it is a whole topic on its own.

However, the focus here is on Islam since you are not convinced about its falsehood. So read what I have to say carefully;

You say,"In the Qur’an, we are asked to pray 5 times a day, the number of rakkah is not stated in the Qur’an but then almost all Muslims would pray 2 rakkah in subh. This is because we interpret the Qur’an in the boundary of what muhammed (saw) did."

You are very right about this statement. And to interpret the Qur’an in the boundary of what muhammed did you have to turn to the authentic hadiths, not any kind of hadith. Now, I will turn to 2 very important hadiths (Muslim and burhari) so as to enlighten you on slavery since you said,"About slaves, I don't know much about rules guiding slavery in Islam. So I can't speak much on that."

Bukhari (52:255)- The slave who accepts Islam and continues serving his Muslim master will receive a double reward in heaven.

Bukhari (41.598)- Slaves are property. They cannot be freed if an owner has outstanding debt, but can be used to pay off the debt.

Bukhari (62:137)- An account of women taken as slaves in battle by Muhammad's men after their husbands and fathers were killed. The woman were raped with Muhammad's approval.

Bukhari (34:432)- Another account of females taken captive and raped with Muhammad's approval. In this case it is evident that the Muslims intend on selling the women after raping them because they are concerned about devaluing their price by impregnating them. Muhammad is asked about coitus interruptus.

Bukhari (47.765)- A woman is rebuked by Muhammad for freeing a slave girl. The prophet tells her that she would have gotten a greater heavenly reward by giving her to a relative (as a slave).

Bukhari (34:351)- Muhammad sells a slave for money. He was thus a slave trader.

Bukhari (72:734)- Some contemporary Muslims in the West, where slavery is believed to be a horrible crime, are reluctant to believe that Muhammad owned slaves. This is just one of many places in the Hadith where a reference is made to a human being owned by Muhammad. In this case, the slave is of African descent.

Muslim 3901- Muhammad trades away two black slaves for one Muslim slave.

Muslim 4112- A man freed six slaves on the event of his death, but Muhammad reversed the emancipation and kept four in slavery to himself. He cast lots to determine which two to free.

Bukhari (47:743)- Muhammad's own pulpit - from which he preached Islam - was built with slave labor on his command.

Bukhari (59:637)-"The Prophet sent Ali to Khalid to bring the Khumus (of the booty) and I hated Ali, and Ali had taken a bath (after a sexual act with a slave-girl from the Khumus). I said to Khalid,'Don't you see this (i.e. Ali)?'When we reached the Prophet I mentioned that to him. He said,'O Buraida! Do you hate Ali?'I said,'Yes.'He said,'Do you hate him, for he deserves more than that from the Khumlus.'" Muhammad approved of his men having sex with slaves, as this episode involving his son-in-law, Ali, clearly proves. This hadith refutes the modern apologists who pretend that slaves were really"wives,"since Muhammad had forbidden Ali from marrying another woman as long as Fatima (his favorite daughter) was living.

Now you may not agree with the summary of the hadiths so I shall now present you the passages of you qu'ran

Qur'an (4:24)-"And all married women (are forbidden unto you) save those (captives) whom your right hands possess." Even sex with married slaves is permissible.

Qur'an (8:69)-"But (now) enjoy what ye took in war, lawful and good" A reference to war booty, of which slaves were a part

Qur'an (33:50)-"O Prophet! We have made lawful to thee thy wives to whom thou hast paid their dowers; and those (slaves) whom thy right hand possesses out of the prisoners of war whom Allah has assigned to thee"

Qur'an (23:5-6)-"..who abstain from sex, except with those joined to them in the marriage bond, or (the captives) whom their right hands possess..." This verse permits the slave-owner to have sex with his slaves.

See also Qur'an (70:29-30). The Quran is a small book, so if Allah used valuable space to repeat the same point four times, then sex slavery must be very important to him.

Qur'an (24:32)-"And marry those among you who are single and those who are fit among your male slaves and your female slaves..." Breeding slaves based on fitness.
Qur'an (2:178)-"O ye who believe! Retaliation is prescribed for you in the matter of the murdered; the freeman for the freeman, and the slave for the slave, and the female for the female." The message of this verse, which prescribes the rules of retaliation for murder, is that all humans arenotcreated equal. The human value of a slave is less than that of a free person (and a woman's worth is also distinguished from that of a man's)

NOW let's compare it with the BIBLE, the true inspired word of God.

Galatians 3:28p
There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond(slave) nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.

1 Corinthians 12:13:"For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond(slave) or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit."

Colossians 3:11:"Where there is neither Greek nor Jew, circumcision nor uncircumcision, Barbarian, Scythian, bond(slave) nor free: but Christ is all, and in all."

Do you notice how often SEX, WOMEN, SLAVE, CAPTIVE, FIGHT, SWORD, SLAY, PUNISH, REWARD, appears in your Qu'ran and hadiths.. Please think about it. Get a bible start from Mathew, mark, Luke and John (the new covenant we live under) and see if you see such.

holatin:
Firstly I marvel at the amount of ogogoro the mod that transfer this to front page must Ve been under without him changing the title.

And you know nairaland to be a place, religion fanatic will say anything to rubbish a religion different from them.


The verse you mentioned has been greatly misconceived
by many people who focus merely on its surface
meaning, taking it to allow wife beating. When the
setting is not taken into account, it isolates the words in
a way that distorts or falsifies the original meaning.
Before dealing with the issue of wife-battering in the
perspective of Islam, we should keep in mind that the
original Arabic wording of the Holy Quran is the only
authentic source of meaning. If one relies on the
translation alone, one is likely to misunderstand it

"According to Quran the relationship between the
husband and wife should be based on mutual love and
kindness. Allah says: "And among His Signs is this, that
He created for you mates from among yourselves, that ye
may dwell in tranquility with them, and He has put love
and mercy between your (hearts): verily in that are Signs
for those who reflect." (Quran: Ar-Rum 21)
The Holy Quran urges husbands to treat their wives with
kindness. (In the event of a family dispute, Quran
exhorts the husband to treat his wife kindly and not to
overlook her positive aspects). Allah Almighty says:
“Live with them on a footing of kindness and equity. If
ye take a dislike to them it may be that ye dislike a
thing, and Allah brings about through it a great deal of
good.” (Quran: An-Nisaa 19)

As to those women on whose part
you fear disloyalty and ill-conduct, admonish them
(first), (next), refuse to share their beds, (and last) beat
them (lightly); but if they return to obedience, seek not
against them means (of annoyance); for Allah is most
High and Great (above you all). If you fear a breach
between them twain, appoint (two) arbiters, one from his
family and the other from hers. If they wish for peace,
Allah will cause their reconciliation; for Allah has full
knowledge and is acquainted with all things." (Quran:
An-Nisaa 34-35)
It is important to read the section fully. One should not
take part of the verse and use it to justify one's own
misconduct. This verse neither permits violence nor
condones it. It guides us to ways to handle delicate
family situation with care and wisdom. The word
"beating" is used in the verse, but it does not mean
"physical abuse". The Prophet (p.b.u.h.) explained it
"dharban ghayra mubarrih" which means "a light tap that
leaves no mark". He further said that face must be
avoided. Some other scholars are of the view that it is
no more than a light touch by siwak, or toothbrush.




TELL ME HOW A TAP COULD BE CALLED BEATING.

asalimpo:


this is empty humanitarianism.
Sometimes human life has to b taken for d betterment of society in general.
A willful murderer shud b killed to pay d life/lives he has destroyed.
This is morally and spiritually right.
If there were no army in a country how would tht country b safe for its citizens?

Teephar:
. bro u said it all