NOBLEDANDY:
Who is Mary?? Mary is the earthly mother of Jesus Christ.
who is Jesus Christ? He is the God the son.

trying to put Mary admits supernatural being is for ur pocket.

FrancisTony:

At emboldened, support it biblically like my Original Post, since protestants believe in Sola biblical.

By the way, debunk my OP and stop ranting.

NOBLEDANDY:


my dear yours wasn't 100% biblical.
don't make us take it too far, if u are wise u should grab what I mean...
and anybody in doubt of what have wrote, should google it and feed his or her doubt.
you can't eat ur cake and have it, besides I don't clean another person nyash okaay.

FrancisTony:

I read all the words one by one before I posted it.

Bring out any unbiblical quote from my OP or stop whining.

Obascoetubi:
so, mary still alive? u forgot dat, God said; I AM THE LIVING GOD. & DO NOT BOW DOWN TO ANY THINGS ON EARTH? U FORGOT DAT Marry's statue, is not our living God?

FrancisTony:

1) We don't worship Mary- That's what I debunked at the OP.
So, provide a biblical proof for your "do not bow down for anything on earth" because what I know is; do not worship anything on earth"

Meanwhile, at emboldened, John11:26
......and whoever lives by believing in me will never die.

Obascoetubi:

u pray via mary instead of direct to heaven. mary can't hear ur voice

Pr0ton:
Weak Facts (yawns)

FrancisTony:

More like "I can't debunk it", and these people's doctrine is aunthetic.

Next!

Pr0ton:


Debunk? Very easy.

If Mary seems to be very important, as you stretched in your post, in the Gospels even with the fact that Jesus and the Apostles never give the instruction of worshipping her but we deem it fit to worship her why do we make other important people; Peter, Paul, John etc, exceptional in the aspect of worship?

Paul admonishes us to pray for others. Going by your interpretation of that statement does that not mean my dad, mum, sis, bro and friends who pray for me are also mediators?

If Mary is very important why doesn't the Bible declare explictly her importance and need of worship? Why guess and infer from random reading?

Your facts doesn't still make any rational point to give those huge regards to Mary.

Off To Church

FrancisTony:

More like you didn't read the Original Post.

Extract out an inclusive from OP that said we should worship Mary.

Well, when you're back from church, take your time to re-read it.

Pr0ton:


What do you call the act of bowing down before an object, giving reference to an object, postrating to an object? Isn't that worship? Going by the Hebrew word for worship which is "shachah" meaning "to postrate; bow down; give reference to; beseech, worship" will you still deny that you guys worship the statue of Mary, when the Bible doesn't teach you to?

There's nothing so special about Mary. As a matter of fact, Mary is longer a virgin. Jesus had brothers fathered by Joseph. She was a sinner while on earth. Jesus became the savior of Mary and her son on the cross, separating Himself from her by saying "mother behold your son, son behold your mother". Even, Jesus says in Mathew 11:11 that there's no one born of a woman that's greater than John! woe to Mary

FrancisTony:

You worship the yoruba elders that you prostrate for?

The argument about Jesus having brothers is for another day- I believe so.

Do you mind providing a biblical proof that mentioned Joseph and Mary's children?

Woe to Mary? I am done here since you're an atheist.

Pr0ton:


This post is a run-away one Your do know well what I meant by postrating, bowing, beseeching in the sense of worship. You had no rebuttal, so you made that ridiculous post up there you savior however.



Very well:















Matthew 1:24-25--"And Joseph arose from his sleep, and did as the angel of the Lord commanded him, and took as his wife, and kept her a virgin until she gave birth to a Son; and he called His name Jesus."

Matthew 12:46-47--"While He was still speaking to the multitudes, behold, His mother and brothers were standing outside, seeking to speak to Him. And someone said to Him, "Behold, Your mother and Your brothers are standing outside seeking to speak to You."

Matthew 13:55--"Is not this the carpenter's son? Is not His mother called Mary, and His brothers, James and Joseph and Simon and Judas?"

Mark 6:2-3--"And when the Sabbath had come, He began to teach in the synagogue; and the many listeners were astonished, saying, "Where did this man get these things, and what is this wisdom given to Him, and such miracles as these performed by His hands? "Is not this the carpenter, the son of Mary, and brother of James, and Joses, and Judas, and Simon? Are not His sisters here with us?"

John 2:12--"After this He went down to Capernaum, He and His mother, and His brothers, and His disciples; and there they stayed a few days."

.Acts 1:14--"These all with one mind were continually devoting themselves to prayer, along with the women, and Mary the mother of Jesus, and with His brothers."

Gal. 1:19--But I did not see any other of the apostles except James, the Lord's brother."

Does rejecting Christianity automatically makes you an atheist?

Pr0ton:


Matthew 1:24-25--"And Joseph arose from his sleep, and did as the angel of the Lord commanded him, and took as his wife, and kept her a virgin until she gave birth to a Son; and he called His name Jesus."

Matthew 12:46-47--"While He was still speaking to the multitudes, behold, His mother and brothers were standing outside, seeking to speak to Him. And someone said to Him, "Behold, Your mother and Your brothers are standing outside seeking to speak to You."

Matthew 13:55--"Is not this the carpenter's son? Is not His mother called Mary, and His brothers, James and Joseph and Simon and Judas?"

Mark 6:2-3--"And when the Sabbath had come, He began to teach in the synagogue; and the many listeners were astonished, saying, "Where did this man get these things, and what is this wisdom given to Him, and such miracles as these performed by His hands? "Is not this the carpenter, the son of Mary, and brother of James, and Joses, and Judas, and Simon? Are not His sisters here with us?"

John 2:12--"After this He went down to Capernaum, He and His mother, and His brothers, and His disciples; and there they stayed a few days."

.Acts 1:14--"These all with one mind were continually devoting themselves to prayer, along with the women, and Mary the mother of Jesus, and with His brothers."

Gal. 1:19--But I did not see any other of the apostles except James, the Lord's brother."

Does rejecting Christianity automatically makes you an atheist?

FrancisTony:

I said you should provide where they wrote "these are Mary or Joseph's sons and daughters"

Did I ask you about Jesus brothers?

Oh well!
1. The Meaning of Brother
The first thing to understand is that the term brother (Gk.adelphos) has a broader meaning than uterine brothers. It can mean a biological brother, but it can also mean an extended relative, or even a spiritual brother.

Take Genesis 13:8 for example. Here the word brother is being used to describe the relationship between Abraham and Lot, who were not biological brothers but uncle and nephew:
“So Abram said to Lot, “Let’s not have any quarreling between you and me, or between your herdsmen and mine, for we are brothers” (Gen 13:8, NIV; see also 14:12).

Because of the Bible’s broad semantic range of “brother,” we can rest assured that although St. Paul writes, “[Jesus] appeared to more than five hundred…brothers at the same time” (1 Cor. 15:6), we need not infer from this verse that Mary gave birth to more than 500 children!

2. Children of Mary?
These “brothers” are never once called the children of Mary, although Jesus himself is (John 2:1; Acts 1:14).


3. Other Women Named Mary
James and Joseph (also called Joses), who are called Jesus’ “brothers” (Mark 6:3) are indeed the children of Mary—Just not Mary, the mother of Jesus.
After St. Matthew’s account of the crucifixion and death of Jesus, he writes:
“There were also many women there, looking on from afar, who had followed Jesus from Galilee, ministering to him; among who were Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James and Joseph, and the mother of the sons of Zebedee.” (Matt. 27:56; see also Mark 15:40) t

NOBLEDANDY:
Who is Mary?? Mary is the earthly mother of Jesus Christ.
who is Jesus Christ? He is the God the son.

trying to put Mary admits supernatural being is for ur pocket.

Obascoetubi:
so, mary still alive? u forgot dat, God said; I AM THE LIVING GOD. & DO NOT BOW DOWN TO ANY THINGS ON EARTH? U FORGOT DAT Marry's statue, is not our living God?

Obascoetubi:

u pray via mary instead of direct to heaven. mary can't hear ur voice

Pr0ton:



While I fairly admit that the term "brother" is ambigious, I however object that its ambigiuty can only be understood in the context of where ever it's used. Considering Mark 6:2-3 for example:

English Standard Version (ESV)
2 And on the Sabbath he began to teach in the synagogue, and many who heard him were astonished, saying, “Where did this man get these things? What is the wisdom given to him? How are such mighty works done by his hands? 3 Is not this the carpenter, the son of Mary and brother of James and Joses and Judas and Simon? And are not his sisters here with us?” And they took offense at him.

We can safely infer here that the bolded is about the closed family of Jesus. Carpenter is universally and literally taken as Jesus's father. Mary is taken literally, too. It only becomes twisting when interprete brothers and sisters in a different way.

Syphax:



I will answer this your question if you can answer mine-"is bowing d[own to your king in form of showing respect a sin?

Pr0ton:


Debunk? Very easy.

If Mary seems to be very important, as you stretched in your post, in the Gospels even with the fact that Jesus and the Apostles never give the instruction of worshipping her but we deem it fit to worship her why do we make other important people; Peter, Paul, John etc, exceptional in the aspect of worship?

Paul admonishes us to pray for others. Going by your interpretation of that statement does that not mean my dad, mum, sis, bro and friends who pray for me are also mediators?

If Mary is very important why doesn't the Bible declare explictly her importance and need of worship? Why guess and infer from random reading?

Your facts doesn't still make any rational point to give those huge regards to Mary.

Off To Church

Syphax:



LMAO,Jesus is the same today,yesterday and forever.There is nothing like heavenly and earthly Jesus heavenly and earthly Jesus.Mary is the mother of Jesus(who is a member of the God head),therefore we can as well call her the mother of God.She is Mater Dei.

FrancisTony:

1) Is bible scared to say [b]"these are Mary's sons and daughters"?

2) If Mary had sons and daughters, Jesus would not have handed his mother to John. You say?