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Re: Women In The Development Of Nigeria Since Pre-colonial Times by bellong: 2:40pm On Dec 30, 2014 |
Stillfire: Dynamism is the hallmark of a wonderful home. What matters is agreement and consent of parties involved. bukatyne: Tufiakwa... I still support synthetic hairs/attachments but not human hairs. Who knows the kind of terrible curse on the original head.. |
Re: Women In The Development Of Nigeria Since Pre-colonial Times by bukatyne(f): 2:44pm On Dec 30, 2014 |
Nonso23: @ bolded: Are you a Christian? We all must be getting history wrong then. Like the OP said, a lot of people complain about the girls of nowadays as the olden days mothers were more 'submissive', the men had free rein to do as they wished, polygamy thrived etc. etc. There is a missing link somewhere Besides, there is no way we can isolate our self from external influence. I would only want us to choose the external influence and retain some aspects of our culture. (Heavy emphasis on some) For some reason, I cannot fathom why workers in church (RCCG) as a case study cannot wear smart traditional wears. Jesus definitely did not preach in suit |
Re: Women In The Development Of Nigeria Since Pre-colonial Times by Stillfire: 2:45pm On Dec 30, 2014 |
Nonso23: Africans today believe gender relations is a foreign subject though. About the topics on women going top.less (even though I don't waste my time with such topics, since Africa today has bigger female issues to deal with), I could argue though that my tradition allows me to go top.less. However I find it absurd and hypocritical Western women are campaigning for such when years ago and even today they branded/brand my foremothers primitive for being top.less. |
Re: Women In The Development Of Nigeria Since Pre-colonial Times by bukatyne(f): 2:46pm On Dec 30, 2014 |
byvan: I hammer on that a lot It is not everything that is the fault of the husband. Some women have none, what can the poor husband do? Husband push them too much and they see it as the man can no longer provide |
Re: Women In The Development Of Nigeria Since Pre-colonial Times by bukatyne(f): 2:48pm On Dec 30, 2014 |
bellong: Lol @ support Human hair is no no Funny thing is they spend so much money to acquire people's curses and some people do not even know the difference between human and good synthetic |
Re: Women In The Development Of Nigeria Since Pre-colonial Times by Nobody: 2:52pm On Dec 30, 2014 |
bukatyne: I think is more like dream killer + no dream = . Most women these days want something doing....i guess. |
Re: Women In The Development Of Nigeria Since Pre-colonial Times by bukatyne(f): 2:58pm On Dec 30, 2014 |
byvan: Double wahala for dead body A lot of women want to get spending money (earning it, getting it free, getting it at a cost) and not fulfilling their dreams (if they have one) The spending money thingy is not limited to women alone |
Re: Women In The Development Of Nigeria Since Pre-colonial Times by bellong: 3:01pm On Dec 30, 2014 |
bukatyne: Left to me, I prefer hair cut. It looks super cute on some women. Braiding and weaving ain't bad too.. |
Re: Women In The Development Of Nigeria Since Pre-colonial Times by bukatyne(f): 3:02pm On Dec 30, 2014 |
bellong: Now we need a rolls eyes button |
Re: Women In The Development Of Nigeria Since Pre-colonial Times by Nobody: 3:08pm On Dec 30, 2014 |
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Re: Women In The Development Of Nigeria Since Pre-colonial Times by bukatyne(f): 3:13pm On Dec 30, 2014 |
Nonso23: Clothing: I think we are doing well there really; some times ago, iro and buba were old mama stuffs. It has been reinvented with fitting bubas and velvet wrappers; silk materials etc. we also have general Ankara clothing. I never said submissive = doormat that's why I put it quotes We will get there someday... Strangely, I believe marriages of now and men/women relationships are actually improving |
Re: Women In The Development Of Nigeria Since Pre-colonial Times by Nobody: 3:23pm On Dec 30, 2014 |
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Re: Women In The Development Of Nigeria Since Pre-colonial Times by cococandy(f): 3:54pm On Dec 30, 2014 |
chaircover:sadly it is not like that anymore. What we have now is a vicious tear her down mentality exhibited by fellow women to others as if there is a prize for who crushes the other woman faster. |
Re: Women In The Development Of Nigeria Since Pre-colonial Times by bellong: 4:20pm On Dec 30, 2014 |
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Re: Women In The Development Of Nigeria Since Pre-colonial Times by bukatyne(f): 4:24pm On Dec 30, 2014 |
Re: Women In The Development Of Nigeria Since Pre-colonial Times by bellong: 4:32pm On Dec 30, 2014 |
Re: Women In The Development Of Nigeria Since Pre-colonial Times by Busybody2(f): 4:34pm On Dec 30, 2014 |
At topic/OP - YES, YES, YES & YES. Stillwater/Stillfire I swear I ain't being lazy, I read all your 3 articles, all 76,000 words of them, I am just practising the "summary" lessons you taught me when you were my English Teacher eons ago 1 Like |
Re: Women In The Development Of Nigeria Since Pre-colonial Times by armyofone(m): 4:50pm On Dec 30, 2014 |
U mm mm I haven't seen a non hard working African Nigerian woman. Standing outside the cold in Europe sef bargaining or carrying cutlass to farm is not beans. Stillwater well done 1 Like |
Re: Women In The Development Of Nigeria Since Pre-colonial Times by Nobody: 4:58pm On Dec 30, 2014 |
armyofone: You know I said the same thing yesterday. Most Nigerian women are very hardworking . . .Very! 1 Like |
Re: Women In The Development Of Nigeria Since Pre-colonial Times by kelechiMarie(f): 5:44pm On Dec 30, 2014 |
Very insightful thread and comments i'd show this to my friends but they'd rather talk about this cuuute!!!guy and some cool shoes issorait. I do agree it all has to do with mentality.In my first year of high sch.lots of girls were topping the result board but as we went higher,only about two of us were among top ten.Sometimes i talk about change,women empowerment etc and i get blank looks.At 16>17 girls are already thinking of packing into their rich husbands houses with no ambitions of their own O di egwu. |
Re: Women In The Development Of Nigeria Since Pre-colonial Times by damiso(f): 5:50pm On Dec 30, 2014 |
Lovely topic Stillfire(by the way I loved your other name Stillwater still waters run deep if that was you ).... The historical angle Is very informative.Its truly not our culture to have heavily dependent women.In Yoruba language there is even a derogatory term for a woman who relies on her husband for everything financially (I don't neccesarily always agree with how it's used though esp by one uncle dayokanu like that ) it's called alabodo( feed so you can sleep with).I grew up around very very industrious bold independent women who accomplished a lot both in business and career so I have never really lived or experienced a person being denied the ability to achieve her potentials cos she is a woman.I agree that's my reality though and might not be fair to think some other women or girl children did or do not have to battle such prejudices. |
Re: Women In The Development Of Nigeria Since Pre-colonial Times by babygirlfl: 6:26pm On Dec 30, 2014 |
Thanks Stillfire for this lovely thread. Very informative. Yes some Nigerian women are very hard working. I would like to see Nigerian women who don't stop at being hard working but go further to have inventions/patents to their names. I would like to see more women holding important positions in the community and country and more women who make history and become immortalized. 2 Likes |
Re: Women In The Development Of Nigeria Since Pre-colonial Times by pickabeau1: 8:15pm On Dec 30, 2014 |
Chillis: I will have ignored this crap but for the fact that some some simpleton may believe and continue to propagate this crap I have no girlfriend and it is saddening that supporting aisha2 with her charity work is being misconstrued as an opportunity for free coochie. Tragic |
Re: Women In The Development Of Nigeria Since Pre-colonial Times by baby124: 9:36pm On Dec 30, 2014 |
damiso:You know Damiso, I wrote the same thing but I lost what I wrote. Culturally Yoruba women have never been second class citizens. I think it depends on the tribe. All my female ancestors were actually even more successful than I am. Business wise in so many different forms. All my over 70yr old and above aunties were given the same educational opportunity as their male relatives if the parents can afford it. It is just that oyinbo people thought women should do secretary, nursing and they made technical degrees more male dominated. Otherwise most of them would have been doctor's, lawyers and engineers. Women have been Chiefs in Kings councils and some were even kings. So any Yoruba woman that prefers to be alabodo, is strictly forming her own path in life. It is not necessarily that she sees herself as less than the man. Women even unhappy with their men and marriages will openly leave the man and marry another one. They were actually more liberated than now. It is actually Islam and Christianity that brought this women are less than men. Even with children in Yoruba society a child is a child, no better than the other whether male or female. 1 Like |
Re: Women In The Development Of Nigeria Since Pre-colonial Times by Nobody: 9:53pm On Dec 30, 2014 |
Exactly @ baby124. Religion nailed especially early religious indoctrination nailed most women to d ground permanently. Women r now seen as second class citizens. How many female VCs have we ever had in our universities? I remembered then in school, ikejiani Clarke fought tooth and nail to be d vc, for where. Funny,fellow ladies blackmailed her. Ngozi iweala was able to go that far cos she wasn't in nigeria. How many female directors has she'll, exxon mobil,chevron etc produced? In d pharm world, had late Dora not backed this emzor woman despite all d negativities and blackmail, she would have folded her company like many before her has done. Let's be truthful, women r expected to attain a certain level and stop. But women r gradually pushing it. It wasn't easy then for women in d west. We will get there. |
Re: Women In The Development Of Nigeria Since Pre-colonial Times by Misogynist2014(m): 12:20am On Dec 31, 2014 |
bukatyne:Long thread I must say. Women used to contribute greatly in the past and were respectful to their husbands but times have changed. I also agree with you that some mental steriotypes should be done away with to encorage women to be at least half as industrous and hardworking as their mothers were BUT I beg to disagree that the stereotypes are abstract. Male's mental capacity is superior to that of female's, forget hollywood. Yorubas will say, 'if there is no reason, you don't become poor suddenly.' I will attribute women's poor performance to religion and society, which has both given women an excape route from the hustle and bustle of this country. It takes a determined mind to do away with this temptation. As for women's education, I don't in the slightest thought associate its redundancy to men. Men do the most unimaginable jobs in Nigeria. The worst thing you can see a woman do is a labourer, men die earlier. If these men after they risk their lives decide to sponsor their male children, their gender, what offence have they commited? It is a fact that a male devoid of the influence of his wife(ves) takes good care of his aged parents. There is no tangible reason girls should be specially empowered. As for women's role in politics, its increasing, but there will surely be a time when law of diminishing returns will set in and will start increasing at a decreasing rate, and finally grind to a halt, due to negligible differences(35-40%). Another thing that begs for consideration is the morals of women today, loose, arrogant and material(wealth) oriented. Women today easily loose virginity, dress shamefully unlike their mothers, not for any reason but laziness. Due to their money oriented view of life, they find it easier to make it by manipulating religion and culture, which has made it somehow mandatory for men to take care of women, but to use this opportunity, they have to tamper with a man's tèstosterone, by dressing horribly and objectifying themselves. Lastly, on marriage and polygamy, I think the changing tide(negligible to me due to the fact that in most marrages, couples cheat) is not due to change in women's view of it(they never loved it and were free to divorce), its mainly due to the wrongful misinterpretation of St. Paul's teachings, economic hardship, easy accessibility to loose women and sex workers, phobia for polygamy. Divorce favours men, not that the law favours but our actions made it so. |
Re: Women In The Development Of Nigeria Since Pre-colonial Times by Misogynist2014(m): 12:51am On Dec 31, 2014 |
baby124:There are two thing I don't agree with you here: - If you are an atheist, its your personal conviction. I don't in any way see where bible says women should submit themselves outside the home. It is this lazy attribute in women that makes them join family and society together. Let he who does not work not eat. - I'm a yoruba, you can't tell me that the value placed on male and female are the same. If you are born as last child(only male), you automatically become the head of the family(olori ebi). It is a taboo for men to buy goods in market(local), my dad once got insulted for degrading his manliness by a woman. If I begin to list the advantages that the male has, my phone's ink will dry up. Though, YORUBA is considerably fear to women if we are to justapose MALE and female. |
Re: Women In The Development Of Nigeria Since Pre-colonial Times by tpia3396: 12:58am On Dec 31, 2014 |
do you mean fair, your user id is misogynist so one wouldnt expect you to be admitting you fear women. . . . . |
Re: Women In The Development Of Nigeria Since Pre-colonial Times by tpia3396: 1:00am On Dec 31, 2014 |
didnt know stillfire is stillwater? |
Re: Women In The Development Of Nigeria Since Pre-colonial Times by cococandy(f): 1:05am On Dec 31, 2014 |
And funny enough it is now seen as african tradition. With any woman who believes in self actualization and freedom tagged 'westernized' baby124: |
Re: Women In The Development Of Nigeria Since Pre-colonial Times by baby124: 1:11am On Dec 31, 2014 |
Misogynist2014:A male child is only olori ebi because the women marry out and take on other men's names. But the only son will respect his older sisters. In fact they are like his mother's. The men don't go to market because women are the ones that go and buy and sell. While men farm and bring produce home. So women know better about the worth of things and know how to haggle better. Ask your father if culturally a child is not a child. I know nuclear families that had just 1 female child and they were content. This female child is probably in her 70's with the father loving her with love of 10kids. Yoruba parents also bequeath property to their female children. Even my great great grand father did this. We are talking 1800's. This male vs women supremacy came with foreign cultures of Christianity and Islam as those were the cultures of the Jews and Muslims. In fact middle easterner's don't see women as more than vessel's to breed even till this day and age. Their culture sees women as below men, and this translated into religion. African culture does not see women as below men at all. I mean, men worship female gods in Yoruba culture. Look at Christianity and Islam, women play a very secondary role if not distant role in almost all the stories. Even Mary Na manage manage den dey use mention her. It's only Catholicism that even recognizes her. With Judaism, den never born that woman wey den go worship. Each gender had their roles quite alright, but it did not mandate a slave master relationship at all. It was not strange to see a woman having kids with different father's. Because they mostly found new husbands if they were unhappy or widowed. I read in Igbo culture a woman can leave her husband and if not divorced can have children by other men, and those children bear the original husband's names. It is also a fact women would be allowed to air their views and even riot if they were not heard. 1 Like |
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