They say there's nothing special about being a doctor, yet each department cant fight the doctors alone, it takes JOHESU (a body of all other health workers except doctors) they obviously have a common goal! To sabotage and frustrate the efforts of doctors, please give me my nurses and cleaners, I already have pathologists and radiologists, we comfortably improvise for the remaining (e.g. we have private pharmacies all around), the hospital would function optimally, no one would be missed, everyone would understand their place... D fight is ratio 1: 1000, yet relativity can't be 1:8, naija we hail thee

seunayantokun:


One of those infuriating situation is that which makes even a yet+to-be-fully qualified (resident doc) to lord it over other professionals in a hospital on issues he/she knows next to nothing about. Why on earth should a doc head the nursing department? Why can't nurses who are qualified to be consultants be so recongnised. Don't we have communication, accountant, language, etc consultants in those various fields? Why is it only those in medicine that can become consultants in Nigeria's health sector?

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Mr man are you alright?



Googlw surgeon general in the u.s and look at the list closely.


You have once again displayed the herd mentality shown by your kind.

Once a sheep jumps over a pole then other sheep jump too even after you have removed the pole.

Cityguy:

I really don't know why govt is handling this with kid's glove. The other time when they felt doctor 'stepped out of line', they were hammered with some cadre even sacked. It took interventions for reinstatement. Now [b]govt has forgotten where it kept that hammer because [/b]of election. Na wa ooo

Evvilgenius:
I just wonder why enlightened people like pharmacists and nurses will go so low to form a union with hospital cleaners, technicians etc just to form a large number to fight doctors .
This envy and show is a shameful one.

(I learnt nurses that hv university degrees are not part of them tho)

yes its sad. pharmacists in nigeria are downgrading themselves. their mates outside Nigeria are formulating new drugs, but they are satisfied with selling drug( which every tom dick and harry on d street can do) and mixing ( not making) the occassional mist mag and cough mix, and fighting doctors.

I see many unwise write ups here..... Its a pity...

QueenAzibar:

yes its sad. pharmacists in nigeria are downgrading themselves. their mates outside Nigeria are formulating new drugs, but they are satisfied with selling drug( which every tom dick and harry on d street can do) and mixing ( not making) the occassional mist mag and cough mix, and fighting doctors.

What do you expect the pharmacist here in Nigeria to do and how?

So,the Chief Security Officer of the Hospital can become the CMD after spending 20years in the hospital.

How can one get a copy of this report? Any link?

It is down in mouth that doctors are kind of euphoric high with the unfairness in the same health sector they claim to be leading. A good leader should be able to carry along and be comfortable with the progress of other members of the team. For instance, am a statistician and I do not see any reason for a doctor to cry if I become a statistical consultant later in my chosen career. To be blunt, there can't be peace without justice. It is stupid and shameful for anyone to arrogantly claim doctors have the monopoly on the consultancy title.

TooGood01:
It is down in mouth that doctors are kind of euphoric high with the unfairness in the same health sector they claim to be leading. A good leader should be able to carry along and be comfortable with the progress of other members of the team. For instance, am a statistician and I do not see any reason for a doctor to cry if I become a statistical consultant later in my chosen career. To be blunt, there can't be peace without justice. It is stupid and shameful for anyone to arrogantly claim doctors have the monopoly on the consultancy title.

True, the dr cannot stop u from bcomin a "statistical consultant" or whatever type of consultant u choose to cal urself but they as the leader of the team would definitely Hv to determine if ur consultancy would be needed in an hospital setting or not

Zeus777:
True, the dr cannot stop u from bcomin a "statistical consultant" or whatever type of consultant u choose to cal urself but they as the leader of the team would definitely Hv to determine if ur consultancy would be needed in an hospital setting or not

zeus, can u actually define the term consultant for us layman

pathology:

zeus, can u actually define the term consultant for us layman

a consultant is any1 who is required to provide an expert advice in a particular field . This could range from security issues, to sanitation , legal advice e.t.c

TooGood01:
It is down in mouth that doctors are kind of euphoric high with the unfairness in the same health sector they claim to be leading. A good leader should be able to carry along and be comfortable with the progress of other members of the team. For instance, am a statistician and I do not see any reason for a doctor to cry if I become a statistical consultant later in my chosen career. To be blunt, there can't be peace without justice. It is stupid and shameful for anyone to arrogantly claim doctors have the monopoly on the consultancy title.

the truth is to become a consultant you have to undergo some form of training, these ones want to be consultants based on years of working experience, it isn't done dat way, anywhere

The only recommendation that JOHESU won't pick a hole in is the recommendation that makes them CMD's and gives them equal pay as doctors. They always shout "international best practices" and the Nigerian public feel they are clamoring for what is right, but because of the low mentality of the average "educated" Nigerian, nobody has ever bothered to find out what these international best practices are.

They want to be consultants. No one is denying them that. But will your consultancy be in tandem or will it go against that of d doctor just because u wanna show u're a consultant?
Even before a doctor becomes a consultant, he undergoes rigorous training post-medical school. He doesn't become a consultant based on years of service. A medical officer (i.e. A doctor who isn't doing residency training) who hasn't undergone residency training can never become a consultant and will never receive the same salary as a consultant no matter how many years he works in a hospital and no matter how many PhD's he has.
Yet the average Nigerian refuses to see this because he just enjoys being against doctors who he sees as proud.

Even these JOHESU people, when they build hospitals and clinics, they look for DOCTORS to run their clinics for them. Yet when it comes to government salary, they start claiming equality with doctors.
The people I pity are the nurses, cleaners, security officers because firstly, the needs of the nurses are not even at the forefront of the JOHESU agenda, even though they're the most important of the whole lot of them. Secondly, even if JOHESU's wishes are granted, a pharmacist or lab scientist will never ever allow a cleaner or a security man to be a CMD.

BEN1986:
So,the Chief Security Officer of the Hospital can become the CMD after spending 20years in the hospital.

Who said so?

Have anyone here seen d report?

The preserverance of human life comes first before any struggle....doctor, nurse or technician. Every one has a specific and unique role to play in the health care system. If each one would identify and recognise just how important and relevant they are in their own field there wouldn't be need for any power tussle. let lives be saved and the strife end.

HilaryMedia:
Its really wrong to criticize any party unless you know what is going on in Hospitals.
NASU in universities don't envy ASUU because they know they both depend on each other and respect that. This is not happening in medical line. There will always be a problem when Doctors feel they are Lords over every other units (Pharmacists, Medical lab scientists, Physiotherapists etc)......
They both underwent rigorous training, why then the discrimination?
There should be mutual respect

Well NASU has not haboured the unthinkable yet, have they? Tgey have not asked to be made the VC or Head of Academic departments yet. The day they try tge unthinkable is the day they start going down like johesu. There is unity and accord between ASUU and NASU cos the later knows their work description and held onto it. That is why the interdependence and mutual respext has existed. Matter of fact, NASU rides on the providence and tenacity of ASUU when engaging the government to also get their (NASU) demands and not by saying that they want to be equalled with the former. ASUU always encourages NASU behind the scenes not to give up when engaging the government.

But what obtains in tbr health sector? johesu planning a coup and expecting the government to be indifferent. I mean where on this earth does that happen? You can't just wake up one day and say you wan to start residency without willing to "do residency in tge real sense of it". That is by giving up your permanent employment, run your program for nothing less than four years and be ready to be booted out of that facility in renewed search for job the moment you become a "consultant". You must be ready to stay non-pensionable. I mean, you can't eat your cake and have it. That'll be gross injustice.

seunayantokun:
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A hospital where docs are almighty won't help anyone. That is why those who have the wherewithal flee abroad for care.

So, my prayer is that the government should do it the way it is done in the US, Canada, Britain, etc for permanent peace.

Don't you get it? The yayale report was drafted in accordance woth what obtains in those countries you mentioned. At least that is what you've always been clamourimg for and still clamours for, going by your entreaties to the FG. You demanded what obtains internationally, it was given to you. So what else do you want?

TooGood01:
It is down in mouth that doctors are kind of euphoric high with the unfairness in the same health sector they claim to be leading. A good leader should be able to carry along and be comfortable with the progress of other members of the team. For instance, am a statistician and I do not see any reason for a doctor to cry if I become a statistical consultant later in my chosen career. To be blunt, there can't be peace without justice. It is stupid and shameful for anyone to arrogantly claim doctors have the monopoly on the consultancy title.

Since you're a statistician, it'll be nice of you read my write up two posts up. No single doctor is against johesuites becoming a xonsultant. The proviso is that it be done the right way (or at least the way it's currently being run in the health sector) and not thru cutting corners or going thru the back door. Pls note that this is necessary in order to entrench professionalism and discipline in the would be "consultant" pharmacist/nurse/lab technician/cleaner/security etc. This is really a very simple arguement to understand.

ceaser:


Well NASU has not haboured the unthinkable yet, have they? Tgey have not asked to be made the VC or Head of Academic departments yet. The day they try tge unthinkable is the day they start going down like johesu. There is unity and accord between ASUU and NASU cos the later knows their work description and held onto it. That is why the interdependence and mutual respext has existed. Matter of fact, NASU rides on the providence and tenacity of ASUU when engaging the government to also get their (NASU) demands and not by saying that they want to be equalled with the former. ASUU always encourages NASU behind the scenes not to give up when engaging the government.

But what obtains in tbr health sector? johesu planning a coup and expecting the government to be indifferent. I mean where on this earth does that happen? You can't just wake up one day and say you wan to start residency without willing to "do residency in tge real sense of it". That is by giving up your permanent employment, run your program for nothing less than four years and be ready to be booted out of that facility in renewed search for job the moment you become a "consultant". You must be ready to stay non-pensionable. I mean, you can't eat your cake and have it. That'll be gross injustice.

wow! A Pharmacist is nw synonymous to NASU.
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Is dat so?

Samgreguc:

wow! A Pharmacist is nw synonymous to NASU.
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Is dat so?

u ve been economical wt ur contribution since this thread started. Why don't u just make ur point

Zeus777:
a consultant is any1 who is required to provide an expert advice in a particular field . This could range from security issues, to sanitation , legal advice e.t.c

what re the requirement to make one a consultant

ceaser:


Well NASU has not haboured the unthinkable yet, have they? Tgey have not asked to be made the VC or Head of Academic departments yet. The day they try tge unthinkable is the day they start going down like johesu. There is unity and accord between ASUU and NASU cos the later knows their work description and held onto it. That is why the interdependence and mutual respext has existed. Matter of fact, NASU rides on the providence and tenacity of ASUU when engaging the government to also get their (NASU) demands and not by saying that they want to be equalled with the former. ASUU always encourages NASU behind the scenes not to give up when engaging the government.

But what obtains in tbr health sector? johesu planning a coup and expecting the government to be indifferent. I mean where on this earth does that happen? You can't just wake up one day and say you wan to start residency without willing to "do residency in tge real sense of it". That is by giving up your permanent employment, run your program for nothing less than four years and be ready to be booted out of that facility in renewed search for job the moment you become a "consultant". You must be ready to stay non-pensionable. I mean, you can't eat your cake and have it. That'll be gross injustice.

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during your residency, ARE U SPONSORING URSELF OR GOVT IS SPONSORING U BY PAYING UR SALARY, EXAMS, REVISION COURSES ETC.?

pathology:


what re the requirement to make one a consultant

requirement varies wt discipline. There are fellowship or specialty curriculum that is determined by a governing body. One would usually takes some yrs of studies and some examinations after which one is conferred the status of a specialist in a field ; note that no examination body awards any1 individual a consultant . U are only regarded a specialist in a particular field . U ideally referred to as a consultant only when a firm, school , hospital e.t.c feels a need for ur specialty and then consults u hence u bcom a consultant to that firm

pathology:
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during your residency, ARE U SPONSORING URSELF OR GOVT IS SPONSORING U BY PAYING UR SALARY, EXAMS, REVISION COURSES ETC.?

in medical residency Govt pay for ur revision courses and of Ofcourse a resident dr gets paid salaries cos while studyin he is also expected to treat patients, take calls , do surgeries e.t.c hence while still training to bcome a specialist he also treats patients; which is the main reason y d patient came to d hospital in the 1st place . Also note that a medical residence is disengaged from duty ( he bcomes unemployed ones he/she passes d fellowship exam.) A FRESH SPECIALIST Dr IS SYNONYMOUS TO AN UNEMPLOYED INDIVIDUAL . He would go around wt his or her now specialist certificate to look for job afresh in order to be referenced as consultants. He cannot force the govt or any institution to consult him or her. This johesu ppl wants "residency" but do not seem to understand what it entails. Would they be willin for govt to convert their present permanent employment to a temporary one and then start lookn for job afresh when they bcom "specialist" in whatever field they get to choose?? I doubt that strongly!!

Zeus777:
in medical residency Govt pay for ur revision courses and of Ofcourse a resident dr gets paid salaries cos while studyin he is also expected to treat patients, take calls , do surgeries e.t.c hence while still training to bcome a specialist he also treats patients; which is the main reason y d patient came to d hospital in the 1st place . Also note that a medical residence is disengaged from duty ( he bcomes unemployed ones he/she passes d fellowship exam.)( a fresh specialist dr is synonymous to an unemployed individual . He would go around wt his or her now specialist certificate to look for job afresh in order to be referenced as consultants. This johesu wants "residency" but don't know what it entails. Are they ready for the govt to convert their permanent employment to a temporary ones? I bet not

the bolded is the main thing? are they ready NO!!! no JOHESUite will want to be a temporary staff because of consultancy...

Samgreguc:

wow! A Pharmacist is nw synonymous to NASU.
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Is dat so?

Hmmm. since the day you descended as low as to join johesu, a lot of doctors lost respect for you guys.
We always saw you guys as equals right from the university days. At least in Ife those days we knew you guys also passed through the furnace, but things began to change when you started joining the middle-level man-power lab technicians & cleaners to subvert doctors!

Oduduwaboy... Very very well said . I also remember those days in ife but now they seem to Hv blown it!

yayale was told to resolve the problem in the health sector, the commitee should have carry all health practioner along and even make sure every practioner in the health are satisfy with d outcome b4 releasing the report, definately the outcome of this report have already failed since it has not met the main aim of setting up the commitee, what a waste of money on this committee since johesu making more than 90% of the work force in the health sector rejected it, the committee did not solve any problem but now we are back to where we are b4, and the president is relying on this report to solve d problem in health sector definately jonathan is far from solving the problem in our health sector.

Oduduwaboy:

Hmmm. since the day you descended as low as to join johesu, a lot of doctors lost respect for you guys.
We always saw you guys as equals right from the university days. At least in Ife those days we knew you guys also passed through the furnace, but things began to change when you started joining the middle-level man-power lab technicians & cleaners to subvert doctors!

Lol.... You are indeed funny. Before JOHESU came to been did the Nigerian Physicians ever accord the Pharmacist her respect?





And talking about heading a hospital? Do you mean those reading Hospital Administration are fools?