davien:
and the op says nothing produces nothing,so we're back to square one....
If nothing as you said produces nothing....how can a something affect or cause it to produce something from nothing and where did the something come from?

Since nothing can produce something, it means something must have produced the Universe, what was it that produced the Universe? The bible says it was God. If not God, what was it?

truthman2012:


Since nothing can produce something, it means something must have produced the Universe, what was it that produced the Universe? The bible says it was God. If not God, what was it?

You are disagreeing with the op here or have you accepted that a "nothing" as commonly understood cannot be pinned down?

davien:
You are disagreeing with the op here or have you accepted that a "nothing" as commonly understood cannot be pinned down?

What caused the Universe as nothing can cause something? Simple!

hahn:
Op, all I need is his phone number

Whose phone number pls?

davien:
You are disagreeing with the op here or have you accepted that a "nothing" as commonly understood cannot be pinned down?

scientific evidence proof the universe had a beginning, and there are many verses in the bible that indicate God is acting before time BEGIN,
I believe this link has the answer to your questions. http://www.godandscience.org/apologetics/why_is_there_something.html
are handled on another page. However,
what most skeptics don't know is that the Bible, written mostly by a bunch of sheep herders, makes a number of scientific claims that are remarkably correct - even though many were not even confirmed to be correct until within the last 100 years.however, the bible was not written for the purpose of science, It was written to explain spiritual principles - the nature of mankind, the nature of God, and how people can have a personal relationship with God.

Uhm... OP your titles says Scientific Proof That God Exists... You do know that for something to qualify as scientific proof there has to be empirical evidence right? And you do know empirical evidence is obtained either by observation or experiment, right? Regardless, your argument fails because:

1) Yes we can observe the universe but that does not logically conclude that God exists. That is a no more reasonable jump to conclusion than me deciding that leprechauns exist and therefore they created the world or that the colour green exists and leprechauns are green therefore they created the colour green.
2) You and your article claim your assertions are scientific proof. May I remind you that for something to be accepted as scientific proof ceteris parabus (all things remaining true) the results and laws should remain the same NO EXCEPTIONS by stating God is different and that the cause requirement is not required begs for your argument to be dismissed.
3) Christians love forgetting the following facts:
A) the bible was put together at the bequest of a pagan emperor who was never Christian
B) at the "time of Jesus" there many people born of virgins (a phenomenon which can be explained by simple biology by the way - if a virgin has thigh sex and the man spills close to her entrance sperm can swim in and make its way to her uterus (scientific law that remains constant) meaning Joseph and Mary weren't so saintly after all oopsie!)
C) christianity is confused and contradicts itself at every corner, for example, it is said that God hates pride yet Jesus who is the son of God but is God himself (like ... okay ...) during the 40 days in the desert gets down on His knees and prays to Himself (God) and asks Himself (God) why He has forsaken Himself - sounds like the ramblings of a crazy confused man to me... And is worshiping yourself not pride
D) christianity makes the most ridiculous claims such as:
* a talking snake - really? And people think a talking snake is normal? Eve did not get freaked out? Btw isn't a snake with legs a leguaan? Granted it would be a thin leguaan but it still sounds like a leguaan to me
* the ark - 2 of every animal on earth? Like reeeaaallly people? Do you know how many animals there are in the world? Do you know how big an elephant is? Do you know how tall a giraffe is? Do you realise how big this ark would have had to be? Where did they get all these animals? Did Jaguars travel from South America and Koala bears from Australia? Were flies, mosquitos and cockroaches included?
E) MOST IMPORTANTLY: NOT A SINGLE SOUL HAS EVER SEEN GOD AND NO FORM OF REAL EVIDENCE OF HIS/HER EVIDENCE EXISTS - IT'S RELIANT ON "FAITH" WHICH IS BLIND FAITH

That u v no knowledge of something doesn't make it inexistent. what a great flaw for anybody to assume such. that something doesn't v d potency of being tested or dat it doesn't v an observable features through lab experiments doesn't rule out d possibility of it existence.

More baffling is d fact that, these atheists r completely ignorant of d world and it environs, such dat dey can't explain d component of a single strand of hair in their body. if the truism of d existence of something can only b established through observable test, I challenge dem to pick just a single sand on earth and show it components and origin. I tell u all atheists, u v unccountable trillions of tinz to dig such dat even if a billion years is added to ur life, u will die searching to understand just one.

Is not everything u cannot apply d five senses dat lacks existence. u can't carry test on human souls in d lab. if Christopher Columbus hadn't taken d courage wen everybody doubted him and couldn't discover America, all would v concluded till today dat America doesn't exist. Since u urself is ignorant of ur body components, how come u closed ur eyes foolishly and concluded without doubt dat nothing is behind d intelligent designs u see. until u r able to prove d concept of urself and non existence of God, it be foolish to conclude dat d Most High doesnt exist. Not even law of thermodynamics support u guys naivety.

Hand dey pain me. wan stop here.

Empirical science does not require things to be tested in a lab only. The galaxy was never tested in the lab. It baffles the mind how one can be steadfast on something that in the claimed billions of years the earth has been existed has never once been proven. How hard can it be? If one can claim the existence of something cannot be observed what's to stop us from believing that there's life in other planets but we humans are too inferior to see them? People who claim mermaids, aliens, jinns, fairies etc exist are then correct too if all it takes for something to exist is belief and faith. What applies to one must apply to all.

@DieeDiee

Your lengthy post does not answer my question, which all atheists have been dodging.

Nothing can produce something, right? Therefore something must have produced the Universe, which the bible says is God.

If you don't believe it was God, what was it?

malvisguy212:
God is the first caused.

So God appeared from nothing . A being purportedly more complex that the whole universe, now if this God can exist without cause why can't the universe?

truthman2012:
@DieeDiee

Your lengthy post does not answer my question, which all atheists have been dodging.

Nothing can produce something, right? Therefore something must have produced the Universe, which the bible says is God.

If you don't believe it was God, what was it?

You fail to see the problem with your logic.

GeneralShepherd:



You fail to see the problem with your logic.

Lo! still dodging the question.

Do atheists have conscience? I doubt it. Otherwise since there is no evidence that there is another being or thing that caused the the Universe, there is no reason to doubt it was God.

Anyone who has no God has no true wisdom or understanding.

truthman2012:
@DieeDiee

Your lengthy post does not answer my question, which all atheists have been dodging.

Nothing can produce something, right? Therefore something must have produced the Universe, which the bible says is God.

If you don't believe it was God, what was it?

The Big Bang theory proposes that the earth was one mass (as your christian bible also proposes) this mass expanded and expanded over billions of years (as opposed to 7 days) till finally it erupted. To simplify for you, think of microwave popcorn. You put the bag in the microwave and the heat does its magic the bag expands as the kernels heat up and explode. Now just image that bag bursting and the contents inside spilling over. Remember heat and cold create moisture and condensation, moisture and condensation is water and water is the source of life and it fertilizes. This is a very simplified explanation. If you are up for some reading here's a link: www.space.com/25126-big-bang-theory.html

Ps: earth's core is crazy hot

DieeDiee:


The Big Bang theory proposes that the earth was one mass (as your christian bible also proposes) this mass expanded and expanded over billions of years (as opposed to 7 days) till finally it erupted. To simplify for you, think of microwave popcorn. You put the bag in the microwave and the heat does its magic the bag expands as the kernels heat up and explode. Now just image that bag bursting and the contents inside spilling over. Remember heat and cold create moisture and condensation, moisture and condensation is water and water is the source of life and it fertilizes. This is a very simplified explanation. If you are up for some reading here's a link: www.space.com/25126-big-bang-theory.html

universe not earth...that aside truthman2012 fails to get this anytime he is told..

davien:
universe not earth...that aside truthman2012 fails to get this anytime he is told..

Yes, sorry the universe then after the bang the galaxy and planets were created. Earth evolved and fertilized over time.

DieeDiee:


Yes, sorry the universe then after the bang the galaxy and planets were created. Earth evolved and fertilized over time.

Yup....sad thing is that you'd only be speaking to yourself when discussing any of this topics to theists here...

truthman2012:


Lo! still dodging the question.

Do atheists have conscience? I doubt it. Otherwise since there is no evidence that there is another being or thing that caused the the Universe, there is no reason to doubt it was God.

Anyone who has no God has no true wisdom or understanding.

There is every reason to doubt God. That there is no proof of God's existence is reason enough. Tell me is there a Santa Clause? He supposedly knows what's happening all over the world and knows who's been good and who's been naughty...and christmas must have a cause...oh let us not forget Cupid who can see into our hearts. According to you that no one has seen them doesn't matter as long as you have faith.

davien:
universe not earth...that aside truthman2012 fails to get this anytime he is told..

Universe is defined as ''the whole creation and the Creator'', meaning it includes the earth.

The Big Bang Theory from the link says the Universe started from 'small singularity' and expanded. Whatever the singularity means, SOMETHING must have CAUSED it. What is the something if not God?

I can see how atheists are running helter skelter like cockroach that has been sprayed with insecticide.

The OP is so clear and exposes your no-God self deceit. You people are just deceiving yourselves.

truthman2012:
@DieeDiee

Your lengthy post does not answer my question, which all atheists have been dodging.

Nothing can produce something, right? Therefore something must have produced the Universe, which the bible says is God.

If you don't believe it was God, what was it

The truth is that you don't just make sense, pause for a minute and check your question. You said god created the universe, please who created god? And please which of the gods created the universe?

truthman2012:


Universe is defined as ''the whole creation and the Creator'', meaning it includes the earth.

The Big Bang Theory from the link says the Universe started from 'small singularity' and expanded. Whatever the singularity means, SOMETHING must have CAUSED it. What is the something if not God?

For a christian to lie through his teeth like this is a great feat....since when is the universe defined as the bolded?
Wow!...just wow!

truthman2012:


Since nothing can produce something, it means something must have produced the Universe, what was it that produced the Universe? The bible says it was God. If not God, what was it?

That's not even the surface of what the bible says. The bible goes on to say that this something, which it calls God, spoke to bronze age Jews and told them to write a book. That is the crux of the argument.

Whether or not there is a God is insignificant. Once the God starts talking to human beings, then we are all involved and the claim must be proven.

DieeDiee:


There is every reason to doubt God. That there is no proof of God's existence is reason enough. Tell me is there a Santa Clause? He supposedly knows what's happening all over the world and knows who's been good and who's been naughty...and christmas must have a cause...oh let us not forget Cupid who can see into our hearts. According to you that no one has seen them doesn't matter as long as you have faith.

Hellooooo.....this does not address the OP. Stop digressing plsss....

honourhim:


Hellooooo.....this does not address the OP. Stop digressing plsss....

Hiiiiii... It's addressing your comment!

DieeDiee:


Yes, sorry the universe then after the bang the galaxy and planets were created. Earth evolved and fertilized over time.

From your order of creations: Universe first, then bang, galaxy and planet, right? Serious error. Everything created is known as the Universe.

''Earth evolves and fertilized over time''. Did the earth evolve from nothing as nothing produces nothing? It must have evolved from SOMETHING and that something is God. Or tell me what the something was.

You will have a hard time proving something evolved from nothing.

truthman2012:


From your order of creations: Universe first, then bang, galaxy and planet, right? Serious error. Everything created is known as the Universe.

''Earth evolves and fertilized over time''. Did the earth evolve from nothing as nothing produces nothing? It must have evolved from SOMETHING and that something is God. Or tell me what the something was.

Wrong!

davien:
Wrong!

What is wrong?

Prove that the earth evolves from nothing as nothing produces nothing.

You will have a hard time to convince anybody that something can come out of nothing.

truthman2012:


What is wrong?

Prove that the earth evolves from nothing as nothing produces nothing.

You will have a hard time to convince anybody that something can come out of nothing.

Wrong!

davien:
For a christian to lie through his teeth like this is a great feat....since when is the universe defined as the bolded?
Wow!...just wow!

No hold up! Let us use his argument and his definition. So the universe according to @truthman2012 is ''the whole
creation and the Creator'' and in the same breath he says that according to the law of cause and effect something must have created the universe. Now if by @truthman2012 definition of the universe (I remind all that he said the universe is defined as: ''the whole
creation and the Creator'' - Creator being God I assume because he capitalized the word) then that means GOD MUST HAVE BEEN CAUSED BY SOMETHING because as the christians keep saying nothing can create nothing and @truthman2012 said in his OP the universe was created or caused by something else therefore if christians assert God exist the what or who created God?

GeneralShepherd:


So God appeared from nothing . A being purportedly more complex that the whole universe, now if this God can exist without cause why can't the universe?

If the universe has always existed,
then time has always existed, for matter
has always existed and presumably was
not entirely inert (i.e. events would occur by which the passing of time could be measured). This implies that an infinite number of events have occurred prior to now, as there was an infinite time prior to now for them to occur.

truthman2012:


From your order of creations: Universe first, then bang, galaxy and planet, right? Serious error. Everything created is known as the Universe.

''Earth evolves and fertilized over time''. Did the earth evolve from nothing as nothing produces nothing? It must have evolved from SOMETHING and that something is God. Or tell me what the something was.

You will have a hard time proving something evolved from nothing.

Uhhh... I never said earth was created from nothing. I don't have the patience to explain the whole thing and I remember saying WATER (which something) fertilized earth allowing life to grow. I also remember specifying that I've over simplified the theory and I referred you to the link so that you can get a more thorough explanation

malvisguy212:
If the universe has always existed,
then time has always existed, for matter
has always existed and presumably was
not entirely inert (i.e. events would occur by which the passing of time could be measured). This implies that an infinite number of events have occurred prior to now, as there was an infinite time prior to now for them to occur.

Now can you see the special pleading?