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Israel's Failure To Learn by Lagosboy: 6:50pm On Dec 31, 2008
By Nir Rosen
When George Bush, the US president, first entered the White House as the commander-in-chief in 2001, Palestinians were being killed in the al-Aqsa intifada.

Eight years later, as Bush prepares to leave office, Israel is carrying out one of the largest massacres in its 60-year occupation of Palestine.

The US, then and now, strongly backs Israel's offensive, justifying it as being, in fact, defensive.

An Israeli general recently threatened to use military force to set Gaza back decades in much the same language used before the invasion of Lebanon in 2006.

But despite the Israeli devastation of Lebanon, Hezbollah emerged victorious and the Shia resistance and social movement emerged a hero to the Arab world.

Israel is about to make the same mistake with Hamas.

Its notion of a truce with Hamas was that the Palestinians would quietly accept the siege. Israel would deny them the basic means of survival, let alone the basic means to create a functioning society.

If the Palestinians attempted to resist, they would be crushed.

As in Lebanon, Israel should have learned years ago that military might cannot crush Palestinian resistance movements.

Media matters

While the Israeli military again bombs the starving and imprisoned population of 1.5 million Gazans, the world watches their plight live as Western media scrambles to explain and, in some cases, justify the ongoing carnage.

Even some Arab outlets have attempted to equate Palestinian resistance - and homemade rockets - with the might of the Israeli military machine.

However, none of this is a surprise; the Israelis just concluded a global public relations campaign to gather support for their assault, even gaining the collaboration of some Arab states.

An American periodical once asked me to contribute to a discussion on whether terrorism or attacks against civilians could ever be justified.


My answer was that an American journal should not be asking whether attacks on civilians can ever be justified. This is a question for the weak, such as the Native Americans 150 years ago, the Jews in Nazi Germany, and the Palestinians today, to answer.

Terrorism is a normative term which is used to describe what the 'other' does, not what 'we' do.

Powerful nations such as Israel, the US, Russia or China will always describe their victims' struggle as terrorism.

However, they fail to acknowledge as acts of terror the destruction of Chechnya, the slow slaughter of the remaining Palestinians, the repression of Tibetans, and the US occupation of Iraq and Afghanistan.

Normative rules and what is legal and permissible are determined by the powerful. They formulate the concept of terrorism in normative terms and make it appear as if a neutral court derived such definitions instead of the oppressors.

For the weak to resist becomes illegal by definition.

This excessive use of legal jargon actually undermines the fundamentals of what is truly legal and diminishes the credibility of international institutions such as the UN. The law becomes the enemy of those who struggle.

It becomes apparent that the powerful - those who make the rules - insist on legality merely to preserve the power relations that serve them or to maintain their occupation and colonialism.

Desperate resistance

Colonial powers use civilians strategically, settling them to claim land and dispossess the natives, be they indigenous populations in North America or Palestinians in what are today Israel and the Occupied Palestinian Territories.

Attacking civilians, then, becomes the last, most desperate and basic method of resistance in the face of overwhelming odds and imminent eradication.

The Palestinians do not attack Israeli civilians with the expectation that such violence will destroy or defeat Israel.

When the native population understands that there is an irreversible dynamic stripping them of their land and identity with the support of an overwhelming power then they are forced to resort to whatever methods of resistance they can muster.

PLO, then Hamas

In 1948, when Israel was being established as a new state, 750,000 Palestinians were deliberately cleansed and expelled from their homes, and hundreds of their villages were destroyed.

Their lands were settled by colonists who even today deny their very existence and wage a 60-year war against the remaining natives and the national liberation movements the Palestinians established around the world.

Israel, its allies in the West and some regional Arab countries have managed to corrupt the leadership of the Palestinian Liberation Organisation (PLO) and entice them with the promise of power at the expense of liberty for their people.

This eventually neutralised and transformed the PLO into a liberation movement which collaborates with the occupier.

The focus then shifted to Hamas, a movement which won legislative elections nearly three years ago and thus became a target for the Israelis.

By enforcing an embargo and allowing Israel's siege of Gaza, the world has effectively told the Palestinians that they are unfit for democracy.

Isolation and radicalisation

By informing them that they are not free to choose the leaders they trust but must conform to the requirements set in place by others, the world community is only further isolating and radicalising the Palestinians.


Demonstrations across the world have expressed anger at Israel's offensive [AFP]
This radicalisation has increased several-fold as Israel pounds Palestinian infrastructure, saying it is solely targeting Hamas targets.

This is not true, however; Israeli forces have targeted Palestinian police forces, killing some such as Tawfiq Jaber, the chief of police - a former PLO official who stayed on in his post after Hamas took control of Gaza.

With the vestiges of security and order debilitated in successive Israeli military campaigns, chaos will prevail in Gaza. If Hamas is weakened it will not be a more moderate Palestinian group which will take the helm.

It will not be the weakened, corrupted and unpopular Fatah, but a more extreme group who have been persuaded through blockades and incessant Israeli attacks that compromise and negotiations with Tel Aviv are ill-fated.

Failed policies

In the past 60 years, Israeli leaders have toed the line that 'the only language Arabs understand is force'.

However, it is Israel that has routinely used violence to solve problems. During the 2002 Arab Summit in Beirut, the Arab League collectively offered Israel a framework to end the bloodshed and move towards a comprehensive regional peace deal. Israel responded by invading Jenin and killing hundreds.

Last month, Fatah launched a media campaign to revive the 2002 peace initiative, but this, too, has been answered with Israel's extreme brutality.

A Zionist Israel is no longer a viable long-term project. Israeli settlements, land expropriation and separation barriers have long since made a two-state solution impossible.

There can be only one state in historic Palestine. In coming decades, Israelis will be confronted with a fundamental question - whether to ensure the peaceful transition towards an egalitarian society in which Palestinians are given the same rights as Jews.

The alternative in a few years will become untenable.

History has shown that colonialism has only worked when most of the natives have been exterminated. But often, as in occupied Algeria, it is the settlers who flee. Eventually the Palestinians will not be willing to compromise and accept one state for both people, and the Jewish colonists will be forced to leave.

Restoring Palestine

Despite its lack of initiative for the Middle East peace process, the White House has in recent years been unable to dislodge the occupation of Palestine as the main motive for every anti-American militant in the Arab world and beyond.

It is the common denominator by which Arab populist policies are shaped. Invading Iraq or offering economic benefits to frontline states will not make the Palestinian issue go away.

During my travels and research, I have spoken with jihadists in Iraq, Lebanon, Afghanistan, Somalia and elsewhere; they all mentioned the Palestinian struggle as one of their motivations.

The US will pay a price for backing Israel. Soon the so-called moderate Arab dictatorships that collaborate with the US hegemony in the region will find themselves in untenable positions.

Loss of credibility

Already we see tensions increasing in the region. Damascus has pulled out of third-party talks with Tel Aviv and Arab anger has been mounting not just at Israel, and not just at America, but also at their own regimes which have collaborated with Washington.

Some Israelis have started to realise their government's flawed approach. While 81 per cent of Israelis

support the military campaign, a poll has showed only 39 per cent believe it will succeed in removing Hamas or reducing violence.

An editorial in Haaretz, an Israeli daily, even went so far as to label Israel "the region's bully".

Barack Obama, the US president-elect, remains silent as Israel kills Palestinians with impunity. In his silence he expresses his complicity.

Nir Rosen is a Beirut-based journalist, fellow at the New York University Center on Law and Security and the author of The Triumph of the Martyrs: A Reporter's Journey into Occupied Iraq.
Re: Israel's Failure To Learn by PeeDaVinci: 3:22am On Jan 01, 2009
war has never solve the problems that cause the war but it is used to bargain for more during the process of the ensuing dialog, and that is what isreal is doing!!! they have made their calculations well and know that they are going to come out with a better bargain during the coming negotiation. On the other hand, it is hamas leaders that are not playing their cards well, they should have known that anytime they engage in conflict with isreal, isreal gains more land, very soon now, isreal will re-occupy the gaza territory
Re: Israel's Failure To Learn by udezue(m): 3:24am On Jan 01, 2009
GOD BLESS ISREAL. grin grin grin grin grin
Re: Israel's Failure To Learn by chidichris(m): 10:46am On Jan 01, 2009
i have read many write ups concerning the isreali-arabs problems but what i have not come across one day is a reference to any govt that will keep quiet and watch another country kill her citizens for whatever reasons.
the situation with isreal in most cases, is a case of reaction and not action.
why would the world watch hezeboulah and hamas fire missiles into isreal not minding their targets and always show up with sympathies whenever isreal reacts.
hamas are doing their best in their quest to wipe out isreal but the unfortunate thing here is that they can only fight with what they have - iranian provided missiles.
to me, the real killers of the palestinians are those invincible sponsors of hamas who have never come out in physical to carry on this war.
action and reaction are equal and oposite.
Re: Israel's Failure To Learn by IGWEUSA(m): 11:27am On Jan 01, 2009
@poster

when you talk about the US occupation of Iraq and Afghanistan, you should also talk about the SEPT 11 attacks by moslem terrorists.

As for Isreal, everybody is entitled to self defence, and thats what they are doing.
Re: Israel's Failure To Learn by Nobody: 2:32pm On Jan 01, 2009
IGWE_USA:


@poster

when you talk about the US occupation of Iraq and Afghanistan, you should also talk about the SEPT 11 attacks by moslem terrorists.

As for Isreal, everybody is entitled to self defence, and thats what they are doing.
chidichris:

i have read many write ups concerning the isreali-arabs problems but what i have not come across one day is a reference to any govt that will keep quiet and watch another country kill her citizens for whatever reasons.
the situation with isreal in most cases, is a case of reaction and not action.
why would the world watch hezeboulah and hamas fire missiles into isreal not minding their targets and always show up with sympathies whenever isreal reacts.
hamas are doing their best in their quest to wipe out isreal but the unfortunate thing here is that they can only fight with what they have - iranian provided missiles.
to me, the real killers of the palestinians are those invincible sponsors of hamas who have never come out in physical to carry on this war.
action and reaction are equal and oposite.

Tell these terrorist apologists grin
Re: Israel's Failure To Learn by mash2(m): 2:58pm On Jan 01, 2009
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Re: Israel's Failure To Learn by olawonder(m): 2:23pm On Jan 03, 2009
@ chidichris

you have yet to master the good and bad threats. There is a marked difference. Israel threatens anyone - Good and understandable. Iran threatens Israel - very bad. India threatens Pakistan -good. Pakistan threatens India - bad. China threatens US - bad. The US threatens China - good. The US threatens Cuba - good. Cuba threatens the US - Bad. Russia threatens Ukraine -bad. Ukraine threatens Russia - good. Get the picture?

@ igwe USA

So the 9/11 terrorists are Iraq and Afganistan, right? you sound 'copy & paste'! you don't seem to know the real stories of wars waged by US and Israel, so it would be ok for Saudi to go and bombard Nigeria in retaliation to Somalia's pirates who hijacked thier ships? you are too dumb!
Re: Israel's Failure To Learn by chidichris(m): 4:19pm On Jan 03, 2009
@ chidichris

you have yet to master the good and bad threats. There is a marked difference. Israel threatens anyone - Good and understandable. Iran threatens Israel - very bad. India threatens Pakistan -good. Pakistan threatens India - bad. China threatens US - bad. The US threatens China - good. The US threatens Cuba - good. Cuba threatens the US - Bad. Russia threatens Ukraine -bad. Ukraine threatens Russia - good. Get the picture?

@ igwe USA

So the 9/11 terrorists are Iraq and Afganistan, right? you sound 'copy & paste'! you don't seem to know the real stories of wars waged by US and Israel, so it would be ok for Saudi to go and bombard Nigeria in retaliation to Somalia's pirates who hijacked their ships? you are too dumb![quote][/quote]

Olawonder,
you sound too good to be an insider. if you are in Uk as it appears here, you must be part of protests against isreal going on there.
what do u think is the solution in the palestine/isreali conflict-wiping out of isreal?
what do u think about the continious rocket attacks on isreal by hamas?
Re: Israel's Failure To Learn by dayokanu(m): 4:21pm On Jan 03, 2009
@olawonder,

Maybe you should read more and save the world from your ignorance.

Afghanistan was housing Osama. And to your analogy, If Somali's attack and Nigeria ia habouring them, Yes Nigeria would be attacked.
Iraq was supporting/financing Al qaeda so its was justly attacked.
Re: Israel's Failure To Learn by BOSS7: 4:29pm On Jan 03, 2009
dayokanu:

Iraq was supporting/financing Al qaeda so its was justly attacked.

I thought Bush's original case for war against Iraq was that they had WMD (Weapons of Mass Destruction) and after that wasn't found, it shifted to "Regime Change", ?
Re: Israel's Failure To Learn by NegroNtns(m): 6:43pm On Jan 03, 2009
It's all politics! In order for Israel to remain a legitimate entity in the mideast it needs an arch enemy. That enemy is Palestinian. Without Palestinian Front, Israel's ideological push for statehood will become meaningless and the country itself will become a pawn for European nations to bounce around.

I don't want to go into elaborate analysis for why the Israel/Arab war is a scam and fraud on the rest of the globe but I will like to point to one flaw : Israel has pounded Gaza now for over a week in a decisive operation in which it claimed to have used precision bombing to locate and destroy Hamas establishments. It also claims that Hamas continue to send rockets into Israel from their border town with Israel. Well, rockets are heat radiating missiles and Israel have heat detecting radars that it can employ, daytime or nightime, to locate and wipe out the Hamas rocket launchers. Why has Israel not done that? If it truly is interested in stopping the attacks, the location is known and can be disharmed. Israel has continued to allow the rocket shelling so it can have legitimacy for counter attacks from the sky and a possible ground offensive.

If you take out the Arabs from the middleeast, is there any other country in the world that Israel will turn its massive war armament against? No other grievances for Israel and so a lot of diplomatic jobs at peace negotiations will dry up, a lot of jobs at weapons trading will dry up, a lot of sympathy for the Israeli cause will dry up, there is an emerging cooperation on the religious front between evangelicals and Jewish Rabbis and under the banner of Judeo-Christianity worship. . . without the Arabs this cooperation will dissapear and the Jews will once again be persecuted under canonical philosophies of Greco Roman beliefs.

Bottom line, we are all suckers for believing in the fraudulent war and taking sides.
Re: Israel's Failure To Learn by otokx(m): 9:43pm On Jan 03, 2009
The last guy has made a good point, there is more to this war.
Re: Israel's Failure To Learn by BOSS7: 9:58pm On Jan 03, 2009
Negro_Ntns:

It's all politics! In order for Israel to remain a legitimate entity in the mideast it needs an arch enemy. That enemy is Palestinian. Without Palestinian Front, Israel's ideological push for statehood will become meaningless and the country itself will become a pawn for European nations to bounce around.

I don't want to go into elaborate analysis for why the Israel/Arab war is a scam and fraud on the rest of the globe but I will like to point to one flaw : Israel has pounded Gaza now for over a week in a decisive operation in which it claimed to have used precision bombing to locate and destroy Hamas establishments. It also claims that Hamas continue to send rockets into Israel from their border town with Israel. Well, rockets are heat radiating missiles and Israel have heat detecting radars that it can employ, daytime or nightime, to locate and wipe out the Hamas rocket launchers. Why has Israel not done that? If it truly is interested in stopping the attacks, the location is known and can be disharmed. Israel has continued to allow the rocket shelling so it can have legitimacy for counter attacks from the sky and a possible ground offensive.

If you take out the Arabs from the middleeast, is there any other country in the world that Israel will turn its massive war armament against? No other grievances for Israel and so a lot of diplomatic jobs at peace negotiations will dry up, a lot of jobs at weapons trading will dry up, a lot of sympathy for the Israeli cause will dry up, there is an emerging cooperation on the religious front between evangelicals and Jewish Rabbis and under the banner of Judeo-Christianity worship. . . without the Arabs this cooperation will dissapear and the Jews will once again be persecuted under canonical philosophies of Greco Roman beliefs.

Bottom line, we are all suckers for believing in the fraudulent war and taking sides.

This is a very good point but are you a conspiracy theorist as your theory feels that way?

NB: I'm not against your post, I just would like to know why you came about this opinion.
Re: Israel's Failure To Learn by TayoD1(m): 10:13pm On Jan 03, 2009
@Negro,

Your arguments sound very good, except that it ignores some very glaring details. Why would anyone strap himself up with bombs in order to kill others? Why would head of households deliberately use their wives and children as human shields? You think this issue is just a secular one that is driven by money? You gotta be kidding.

Even if Isreal lives at peace with the rest of the world, the House of Islam will never be at peace with it. Afterall, a Jew killed Mohammed and Mohammed has said the end time will not come until all Jews are killed. You wanna add all that to the equation?
Re: Israel's Failure To Learn by BOSS7: 10:20pm On Jan 03, 2009
Tayo-D:

Even if Isreal lives at peace with the rest of the world, the House of Islam will never be at peace with it. Afterall, a Jew killed Mohammed and Mohammed has said the end time will not come until all Jews are killed. You want to add all that to the equation?

In as much as I respect your opinion and your right to your belief, but do you really think all Jews could or would be killed? Do you think that kind of argument hold any water in today's world? This to me seems like a theory of cognitive dissonance.
Re: Israel's Failure To Learn by Nobody: 10:20pm On Jan 03, 2009
Negro_Ntns:

It's all politics! In order for Israel to remain a legitimate entity in the mideast it needs an arch enemy. That enemy is Palestinian. Without Palestinian Front, Israel's ideological push for statehood will become meaningless and the country itself will become a pawn for European nations to bounce around.

I don't want to go into elaborate analysis for why the Israel/Arab war is a scam and fraud on the rest of the globe but I will like to point to one flaw : Israel has pounded Gaza now for over a week in a decisive operation in which it claimed to have used precision bombing to locate and destroy Hamas establishments. It also claims that Hamas continue to send rockets into Israel from their border town with Israel. Well, rockets are heat radiating missiles and Israel have heat detecting radars that it can employ, daytime or nightime, to locate and wipe out the Hamas rocket launchers. Why has Israel not done that? If it truly is interested in stopping the attacks, the location is known and can be disharmed. Israel has continued to allow the rocket shelling so it can have legitimacy for counter attacks from the sky and a possible ground offensive.

If you take out the Arabs from the middleeast, is there any other country in the world that Israel will turn its massive war armament against? No other grievances for Israel and so a lot of diplomatic jobs at peace negotiations will dry up, a lot of jobs at weapons trading will dry up, a lot of sympathy for the Israeli cause will dry up, there is an emerging cooperation on the religious front between evangelicals and Jewish Rabbis and under the banner of Judeo-Christianity worship. . . without the Arabs this cooperation will dissapear and the Jews will once again be persecuted under canonical philosophies of Greco Roman beliefs.

Bottom line, we are all suckers for believing in the fraudulent war and taking sides.

you just destroyed your own conspiracy theory with the above in bold. Israel became a UN-recognised state since 1948 and even celebrated its 60th independence with fanfare all over the world this past yr . . . so how can it just be "pushing for statehood"?  undecided
Re: Israel's Failure To Learn by 4Play(m): 10:31pm On Jan 03, 2009
Negro_Ntns:

It's all politics!  In order for Israel to remain a legitimate entity in the mideast it needs an arch enemy.  That enemy is Palestinian.  

Is Palestinian hostility to Israel, enmeshed in a theological opposition to Israel's existence, also manufactured by Israel?
ithout Palestinian Front, Israel's ideological push for statehood will become meaningless and the country itself will become a pawn for European nations to bounce around.  

What utter guff. Israel is not pushing for statehood, Israel is a state. There is no point in cloaking your daft conspiracy theories in meaningless verbiage - ''ideological push for statehood'', ''pawn for European nations to bounce around''.

I don't want to go into elaborate analysis for why the Israel/Arab war is a scam and fraud on the rest of the globe but I will like to point to one flaw :

Remove the last 4 letters from ''analysis'' and that will be apt to your post.
Israel has pounded Gaza now for over a week in a decisive operation in which it claimed to have used precision bombing to locate and destroy Hamas establishments.  It also claims that Hamas continue to send rockets into Israel from their border town with Israel.  Well, rockets are heat radiating missiles and Israel have heat detecting radars that it can employ, daytime or nightime, to locate and wipe out the Hamas rocket launchers.  Why has Israel not done that?  If it truly is interested in stopping the attacks, the location is known and can be disharmed.  Israel has continued to allow the rocket shelling so it can have legitimacy for counter attacks from the sky and a possible ground offensive.  

What a load of piffle. Radar doesn't work by detecting heat but by picking up the electromagnetic waves that bounce off the target object. Hamas' rockets, being flown at low altitude, will be difficult to detect with radar.

Hamas' rocket launchers are mobile so merely knowing where a rocket was launched from won't make a difference unless Israel strikes either prior to, or simultaneous to the rocket being launched.
If you take out the Arabs from the middleeast, is there any other country in the world that Israel will turn its massive war armament against?  

So your entire premise is that Israel wants the enmity of Arabs, one of the most idiotic posts I have ever seen. Israel's military might is a product of conflicts with its neighbours, not the other way round.

No other grievances for Israel and so a lot of diplomatic jobs at peace negotiations will dry up, a lot of jobs at weapons trading will dry up
Are ''diplomatic jobs'' one of Israel's major industries? If war was good for Israel, its economy won't grow faster in times of relative peace compared to times of major conflict, would it?
a lot of sympathy for the Israeli cause will dry up

The conflict lessens, not increases, sympathy for Israel. Surely, you are are not allergic to reality.
there is an emerging cooperation on the religious front between evangelicals and Jewish Rabbis and under the banner of Judeo-Christianity worship. . . without the Arabs this cooperation will dissapear and the Jews will once again be persecuted under canonical philosophies of Greco Roman beliefs.

So Israel needs to ''manufacture'' conflict with the Muslim world in order to escape persecution?
Bottom line, we are all suckers for believing in the fraudulent war and taking sides.  

Bottom line: Your ability to rationalize this pile of utter garbage verges on the unhinged.
Re: Israel's Failure To Learn by Nobody: 10:34pm On Jan 03, 2009
grin grin grin grin

4 Play na wa!

That negro nations guy likes to type plenty of nonsense wrapped up in flowery language to convey the false impression that he is a learned fellow.
Re: Israel's Failure To Learn by 4Play(m): 10:51pm On Jan 03, 2009
@David

His entire post would have made just as much sense if he decided to randomly tap on his keyboard. . . . . ''diplomatic jobs would go'', what nonsense.
Re: Israel's Failure To Learn by landis(m): 10:51pm On Jan 03, 2009
Mr H was very right.

What a foreseer!
Re: Israel's Failure To Learn by 4Play(m): 10:56pm On Jan 03, 2009
landis:

Mr H was very right.

What a foreseer!

Idiot, if Hitler was such a 'forseer', he should have seen that his 1000 year Reich would be consigned to the dustbin of history and his fate terminated by a craven suicide while hunched in a bunker
Re: Israel's Failure To Learn by TayoD1(m): 11:10pm On Jan 03, 2009
@B.O.S.S.,

In as much as I respect your opinion and your right to your belief, but do you really think all Jews could or would be killed? Do you think that kind of argument hold any water in today's world? This to me seems like a theory of cognitive dissonance.
Back up a little. These are not my beliefs, but Islams! What cognitive dissonance are you alluding to? What I think about whether all Jews can be killed is immaterial. What we have to know is that no matter how inconceivable this is in the minds of the Islamists or the rest of the world, it will not keep the islamists from trying. They have a moral and spiritual obligation to make this prophecy of theirs come to pass.
Re: Israel's Failure To Learn by BOSS7: 11:32pm On Jan 03, 2009
Tayo-D:

Back up a little. These are not my beliefs, but Islams! What cognitive dissonance are you alluding to? What I think about whether all Jews can be killed is immaterial. What we have to know is that no matter how inconceivable this is in the minds of the Islamists or the rest of the world, it will not keep the islamists from trying. They have a moral and spiritual obligation to make this prophecy of theirs come to pass.

I only quoted what you typed hence the assumption.
Re: Israel's Failure To Learn by landis(m): 12:24am On Jan 04, 2009
Mr H was very right.

What a foreseer!
Re: Israel's Failure To Learn by Busybody2(f): 3:44am On Jan 04, 2009
Tayo-D:

@B.O.S.S.,
Back up a little. These are not my beliefs, but Islams! What cognitive dissonance are you alluding to? What I think about whether all Jews can be killed is immaterial. . .

Ha, i no fit shout lipsrsealed
Re: Israel's Failure To Learn by Nobody: 7:14am On Jan 04, 2009
Tayo-D:

@Negro,

Your arguments sound very good, except that it ignores some very glaring details. Why would anyone strap himself up with bombs in order to kill others? Why would head of households deliberately use their wives and children as human shields? You think this issue is just a secular one that is driven by money? You gotta be kidding.

Even if Isreal lives at peace with the rest of the world, the House of Islam will never be at peace with it. Afterall, a Jew killed Mohammed and Mohammed has said the end time will not come until all Jews are killed. You want to add all that to the equation?

the real equation - more jews have been killed by your fellow christians all through time. the world as we know it has never really been at peace with jews ; back in the day, they were maligned in western popular culture (dickens, shakespeare) . were the holocaust, russian pogrom etal , by muslims?
Re: Israel's Failure To Learn by gentlegg(m): 8:51pm On Jan 04, 2009
I've been following this Gaza fighting from day one, through PRESS TV Iran. These abokis & mallams keep accusing Isreal for their Gaza Invasion without any refference to Hamas rocket firing into Isreal.

They asked for war, now they see war and are crying and shouting that Isreal is terrorising them. I maybe wrong, but may Isreal continue to punish and possibly wipe away Hamas millitancy in Palestine.
Re: Israel's Failure To Learn by Muza(m): 9:03pm On Jan 04, 2009
gentlegg:

I've been following this Gaza fighting from day one, through PRESS TV Iran. These abokis & mallams keep accusing Isreal for their Gaza Invasion without any refference to Hamas rocket firing into Isreal.

They asked for war, now they see war and are crying and shouting that Isreal is terrorising them. I maybe wrong, but may Isreal continue to punish and possibly wipe away Hamas millitancy in Palestine.
Guy,u are so ignorant.
U don't even know history.

Hav u seen wat the Israelis hav been doin to the Palestines over the years?
The palestines were there first.But withe help of U.S and other world powers Israel is oppressing the Palestines.
They control their air space,border,sea everything,
haba,thats so very unfair.

But i hope we all live to see how this will end.
may Allah help the Palestines and deliver them from the oppression of the Israelis.
Re: Israel's Failure To Learn by superboi(m): 9:08pm On Jan 04, 2009
musa know all the people killing those innocent children in gaza strip is hamas, the cos trouble and hide behind children and women,the are such owards, musa imagine if ur father went out to insult a stronger man then hides behind u and ur mother when u were a kid, if that man hit u wen u are trying to get to him who would u blame.
Re: Israel's Failure To Learn by chidichris(m): 9:19pm On Jan 04, 2009
reading through most posts here, u will find out that many of us do not even know what they are surporting.
who is calling for a cease fire? europe. it is this same europe that asked hamas to recognize isreal's right to exist which hamas has refused till date.
hamas and arab has a course which is wiping out isreal from the surface of the earth. it is not worth crying for. this is the best time for hamas and its supporters to wipe isreal out.
in saudi arabia, iraq, jordan, etc, there suicide bombers and one begings to wonder if isreal is occupying lands also there.

@boss,
the issue of WMD in iraq originated from saddam's boasting when he was invading kuwait and showing his list of other countries to follow suit. he then boasted of detroying the whole region if anyone attacks him.
UN intervened in 1991 when they asked USA to stop the war while they asked saddam to give room for weapon inspectors to go into iraq which saddam did not honour until second bush came on board. saddam continued in his sturborness untill bush asked him to step down.

the situation in zimbabwe today is been blamed on the west while the financial crises in usa is been worked on for solutions, africans and the arabs has decided to lay blames instead of looking for solutions.

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