RexBrita:
@ Plaetton


My position is that different people have the freedom to perceive and experience That Thing as they can. So what would u rather call It? From your response I see words like Wonders, Mystery and PROCESS. Is My St ukwu erious PROCESS of Wonders good enough? ICE, water and steam are different states of the same thing. One isn’t wrong to say H2O is solid, liquid or gaseous. If anything, we merely understand the physical state the person met it in.
Religion appoints a super, super, human attribute for that Being. Maybe it makes it easier to explain and relate with much the same way one would break a complex event down for a kid using what the kid has experienced already. Science sees it in laws that span many disciplines because scientists can comprehend abstraction. But the very ‘nature’ and essence of this Mysterious PROCESS of Wonder remains the same.

People fail to see the common ground because they are busy defending their positions and pointing fingers - the hallmark of religion.

RexBrita:
Some people say they don’t believe in God.

But everyone does.

Except that atheism does not approach belief in God in the manner that theism/conventional religion does.

The Higher Being
Every living person knows they have no control over some systems in the world and which no other human being has control of.

Some examples will include the planets and their movements; the sun and it’s rising; the seasons; growing and aging; etc.

The sophistication of these systems leaves all men curious and marveling.

We all recognize that something higher than us is responsible.

The grand phenomenon is called by different names. Theism calls Him/It, God, in many languages. Atheism calls It Energy or Force or any such name. But they refer to the same thing.

Like all other religions, atheism claims superiority often attacking perceived/assumed weaknesses of other religions. Like atheism, all other religions have pockets of unresolved questions which binds to the non-stop pursuit to know more.

God, Energy - similarities
It cannot be made nor destroyed.

We obey His/It’s laws whether consciously or not: for example we have no choice but to grow to maturity; food air and blood pass through different track in our body; physical laws like gravity.
We interact with Him/It but cannot see Him/it.

Spiritual laws guide our physical lives too for example religion says "what you sow, you reap";

atheism formulated that action and reaction are equal and opposite (Newton’s law).

The similarities are endless if ones avoids the 'temptation' of superficiality.

Seek and you shall find
We don’t understand all of this great Being so we keep striving to know.

Religion seeks more in churches and similar organization using faith and inspirational documents passed from generation to generation while Atheism seeks to understand it in labs by conscious observation and analysis using logical processes (SCIENCE).

Conclusion
The conclusion is that God loves everyone.

However you seek him, you are welcome.

Theism approaches God as a higher being that human logic alone cannot interpret.

Most times, logical reasoning is skipped entirely so that faith takes preeminence.

A lot of questions are left unanswered, just like every answered scientific question in Atheism leads to many more questions that need answers.

Atheism may not have the structural complexities and peculiarities or conventional religions with worship centers, modes of worship, religious leadership, hierarchies, etc but it is none the less a religion for 'believers' who do not want to adhere to theology without proof.

Humans' continued search will one day lead us to TRUTH.

That time, only one Religion will be practiced: LOVE.
So which ever you follow, never stop seeking the Truth.
And you will be free indeed.

RexBrita:
@ davien

I really think we agree. Or better put, I agree with you 100%. My write-up addresses the perception that atheism (and indeed all the other –isms) antogonize religion. Religion, atheism, pantheism, monotheism, polytheism, science and the likes, all represent the numerous ways man seeks for meaning and purpose in creation. If we forget the nomenclatures used by the different lines of thought in this pursuit and remove the ‘cloaks’ with which they respectively dress their present understanding, it will all be the same essence, at different levels.

Please read my response to Plaetton above. Whatever school of thought you represent, there has got to be a name you call things - both what understand and what u are yet to understand. Attempt explaining your analysis of my write-up to a 15 year old or to an illiterate adult. If you don’t take time, you will create another religion for them.
So I quite agree with you.

RexBrita:
Yes of course I group them because every position has a belief. In your case, atheism, believes there is no God.

Nothing I wrote is a lie. Neither have I preached any religion. The thread represent a novel perspective. You seem bent on attacking just parts without due consideration to the whole.

Teach yours the way you understand it.

RexBrita:
@ Plaetton


My position is that different people have the freedom to perceive and experience That Thing as they can. So what would u rather call It? From your response I see words like Wonders, Mystery and PROCESS. Is Mysterious PROCESS of Wonders good enough? ICE, water and steam are different states of the same thing. One isn’t wrong to say H2O is solid, liquid or gaseous. If anything, we merely understand the physical state the person met it in.
Religion appoints a super, super, human attribute for that Being. Maybe it makes it easier to explain and relate with much the same way one would break a complex event down for a kid using what the kid has experienced already. Science sees it in laws that span many disciplines because scientists can comprehend abstraction. But the very ‘nature’ and essence of this Mysterious PROCESS of Wonder remains the same.

People fail to see the common ground because they are busy defending their positions and pointing fingers - the hallmark of religion.

RexBrita:
@ Plaetton


My position is that different people have the freedom to perceive and experience That Thing as they can. So what would u rather call It? From your response I see words like Wonders, Mystery and PROCESS. Is Mysterious PROCESS of Wonders good enough? ICE, water and steam are different states of the same thing. One isn’t wrong to say H2O is solid, liquid or gaseous. If anything, we merely understand the physical state the person met it in.
Religion appoints a super, super, human attribute for that Being. Maybe it makes it easier to explain and relate with much the same way one would break a complex event down for a kid using what the kid has experienced already. Science sees it in laws that span many disciplines because scientists can comprehend abstraction. But the very ‘nature’ and essence of this Mysterious PROCESS of Wonder remains the same.

People fail to see the common ground because they are busy defending their positions and pointing fingers - the hallmark of religion.

RexBrita:
@ johnydon22

If you read all I have posted on this thread, u will see that I do not preach that u accept religion. I uphold that religion has no business attacking atheism. Nothing wrong with seeing God in those wonderful people either.

RexBrita:
@ johnydon22

If you read all I have posted on this thread, u will see that I do not preach that u accept religion. I uphold that religion has no business attacking atheism. Nothing wrong with seeing God in those wonderful people either.

RexBrita:


@davidhume1
Ok. I won't associate atheism with a belief. But the some total of what u agree with, is what theists believe, provided you remove the cloak of personality traits associated with God (which, in my opinion, simply helps religion teach and relate with the complex abstraction that atheism often encounters)

davidhume1:


Now you're telling me that theists agree with evolution, the big bang, absence of a hereafter etc?

You're STILL doing it dude!

johnydon22:


Am sure you know most atheist dont believe evolution or big bang like myself.. We prefer to say "I don't know"

davidhume1:


Then, the term that best describes your position is "agnosticism".

johnydon22:


Nope atheism is just disbelief in any deity not belief in big bang or evolution, no deity brought the world to being but i certainly do not claim to know how it came to be...... Do you now get it? . . . Now next time do not assert or link atheism with evolution or big bang ok? Some christians or theist too believe in big bang and evolution theory and others dont.. e.g Pope Francis

plaetton:
Why must there be a higher being responsible for the wonders and mysteries if the universe?
A higher being is a more complex question than it is an answer. A higher being also require a higher explanation to account for its own origin.

The laws of physics at both the elementary and at the quantum level offer us enough comfort about the ABC's of the PROCESSES that mathematical laws and energy interact to give rise to natural phenomena.

No god required.

davidhume1:


Stop associating "atheism" with "belief". You're just contradicting yourself.
You can hold a belief, as true, without requiring a single proof!
Therefore, atheists regard positions based on mere belief as "opinions", SIMPLE.
You're just trying to be mischievous. Atheists have NO beliefs. Our positions are based on VERIFIABLE FACTS.
Perhaps you didn't know this before, but now that you do, you should pls refrain from degrading atheism as "belief".
IT IS NOT!

Thanks.

Hiswordxray:

Just accept it, you have a belief.
I know you think your lack of belief makes you unique but that's just a lie you tell yourself so that you could feel good about being an atheist.
Myself friend you are not different from us because we are all believers. You believe people that claim there is no god while I believe Jesus. So want the difference?

johnydon22:
Oh yes i so much believe in God..

I believe in God; My mother for giving me life, warmth, care. sacrificing all for me. her happiness, her sleep, her tears and comfort just to see me well.. She is the God i believe in and love and worships and the only one that is real and have done something worth thanking and worshipping... My mother.

I believe in God; My father for being there all along, I love and worship him for that.

I believe in God; my siblings for being part of my life and my world.. They deserve my love and worship.

I believe in God; my friends for making life worth living, for lending a helping hand when i need it.. they deserve my worship and love.

I believe in God; My girl friend for bringing so much love into my life, for the joy she brings and sacrifices she makes... Thats why i love and worship her.

So you see the God i believe in? . . . They actually are real and cant be argued over, they have done things that deserve my thanks and love not shift the thanks to a mythical fairy tale somewhere in the sky. . . So you see i dont just believe your fairy tale..