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Re: Ask Me Any Question(s) About AMORC And Other Esoteric Organisations In Nigeria by Nobody: 6:57pm On Apr 14, 2015
englishmart:
I'm more concerned with the benefits of becoming a member.


Please go through the earlier posts, I've already listed some benefits. Meanwhile you can know more when you get the mastery of life. Download it here http://www.amorcnigeria.org/docs/Mastery_Of_Life.pdf
Re: Ask Me Any Question(s) About AMORC And Other Esoteric Organisations In Nigeria by dwilliams: 6:44am On Apr 15, 2015
fratermathy:


Hmmmm
Let's talk privately if you would oblige.
greetings from. The 3 points of d sacred triangle, I really luv ur work here, u r a real ambaSsador 2 d LBA and 2 al RC, I must confess dat I am really elated with ur diction and ur aarticulate answers,we met in calabar if d alleged name is true.
Greetings and PP

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Re: Ask Me Any Question(s) About AMORC And Other Esoteric Organisations In Nigeria by MYSTERIOUS2ALL: 8:40am On Apr 15, 2015
Greetings Beloved... Keep it Up...

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Re: Ask Me Any Question(s) About AMORC And Other Esoteric Organisations In Nigeria by alcuin(m): 10:24am On Apr 15, 2015
Greetings. ....it is with joy that I go through this thread. Very elucidating and inspiring. Members like myself haven't really had time to educate aspiring seekers of the Rosicrucian Way. Keep the good work, Frater Lightbearer Mathias.

To the aspiring postulants seeking Wisdom and Peace Profound, I say "Step Out of the Crowd" and be counted among the vanguards of Light.

You are always welcomed to the Portal of the Rosy Cross. Come with a pure heart.

Thanks.

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Re: Ask Me Any Question(s) About AMORC And Other Esoteric Organisations In Nigeria by Nobody: 4:17pm On Apr 15, 2015
fratermathy:


Membership is easily done online now. I think the site is http://amorc.org.ng
However you can walk to any affiliated body in the country and get a form freely.

Before you do all that, it is important to be sure that your purpose of joining AMORC is not negative. When I mean negative I mean the purpose is not to make money through ritual means, to seek for unnecessary protection from perceived enemies or even to get theatrical powers to harm anyone. If these are on the postulant's mind, his membership won't be accepted.


You can access the introductory AMORC pamphlet called "The Mastery of Life" if you want. Just paste your email.


Ekwuluc@live.com
Re: Ask Me Any Question(s) About AMORC And Other Esoteric Organisations In Nigeria by Nobody: 4:22pm On Apr 15, 2015
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Re: Ask Me Any Question(s) About AMORC And Other Esoteric Organisations In Nigeria by Nobody: 9:52am On Apr 16, 2015
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Re: Ask Me Any Question(s) About AMORC And Other Esoteric Organisations In Nigeria by naira0(m): 11:30am On Apr 16, 2015
fratermathy:


Membership is easily done online now. I think the site is http://amorc.org.ng
However you can walk to any affiliated body in the country and get a form freely.

Before you do all that, it is important to be sure that your purpose of joining AMORC is not negative. When I mean negative I mean the purpose is not to make money through ritual means, to seek for unnecessary protection from perceived enemies or even to get theatrical powers to harm anyone. If these are on the postulant's mind, his membership won't be accepted.


You can access the introductory AMORC pamphlet called "The Mastery of Life" if you want. Just paste your email.






talk2ii@yahoo.com
Re: Ask Me Any Question(s) About AMORC And Other Esoteric Organisations In Nigeria by naira0(m): 12:48pm On Apr 16, 2015
Let me start by pouring in my encomiums at ur choice of diction. I am indeed awed.

I am a Seventh-day Adventist. I know of a convert who later became a clergyman in my denomination. As a way of encouraging and/or instructing members, the "gullible" ones so to speak who may be easily swayed by doctrines, he always spoke about his stint with AMORC. He confessed that he had risen to the order of the seventh Temple prior to his conversion. He always depicted the AMORC as a cult group and remained grateful to God for giving him deliverance.

Your long epistle so far, aimed at demistifying the impression people have about your group runs contrary to the confession of this revered man of God


Dear OP, are you true to ur promis of being sincere and objective with ur answers on this thread, or are u being economical with truth. I think I will go for the latter. I have sufficient reasons to buttress my choice.
Re: Ask Me Any Question(s) About AMORC And Other Esoteric Organisations In Nigeria by Nobody: 1:16pm On Apr 16, 2015
naira0:
Let me start by pouring in my encomiums at ur choice of diction. I am indeed awed.

I am a Seventh-day Adventist. I know of a convert who later became a clergyman in my denomination. As a way of encouraging and/or instructing members, the "gullible" ones so to speak who may be easily swayed by doctrines, he always spoke about his stint with AMORC. He confessed that he had risen to the order of the seventh Temple prior to his conversion. He always depicted the AMORC as a cult group and remained grateful to God for giving him deliverance.

Your long epistle so far, aimed at demistifying the impression people have about your group runs contrary to the confession of this revered man of God


Dear OP, are you true to ur promis of being sincere and objective with ur answers on this thread, or are u being economical with truth. I think I will go for the latter. I have sufficient reasons to buttress my choice.


Trust me, if I have noticed anything awful about AMORC, I'd be the first to leave and tell the world. The truth is that many people, such as that said clergyman, joined amorc with the motive of gaining some measure of wealth or power. When they don't find it, they are aggrieved and resort to other means of gaining fame and attention. They showcase their supposed membership of amorc to the world so that they can be seen as having been through it all and knowing all the "knowables". Some may have not even be real members but just enthusiasts who got to know a few things. There's the case of Pierre Freeman, an author who makes his daily bread from selling amorc materials after he claimed to have joined amorc in search for a better life which he didn't get at the end. Such pastors are akin to this character I just mentioned. Furthermore, to be quite specific, I know of a pastor back then who told his audience certain negative things about AMORC and that he was a member up till the 10th temple degree. On a closer look, I realised that he wasn't even a member to begin with but just an attention addict looking for church members. There are cues to catch such people. Just ask any of such persons what is the meaning of a "colombe" in a single word. A real member will be able to tell you the answer without thinking or second guessing. The answer starts with a "d". That's all I can say.
Furthermore, when people say AMORC is a cult and all that, most times I just laugh at their ignorance. Honestly, AMORC is the most liberal and free minded group you can find. No one forces you to do anything or believe anything. I can even choose what to believe and what not to. You always have a choice. Then like I've said, you have the choice whether or not to even see another amorc member. I know amorc members that haven't even seen any other members in all the years of their affiliation.
The summary of my epistle is this : don't believe everyone who tells you that they were once amorc members. 85% of them are liars. The remaining 15% have ulterior motives excepting those who left for personal or religious reasons and those ones rarely say things that do not exist.
I have been as objective as possible all through this thread. I agree that some teachings are controversial but THEY ARE NOT IMPOSED ON YOU. Even their controversial nature depends on your religious background. What a Christian may find controversial maybe perfectly okay to a muslim or a free thinker. By controversial, just to be specific, I mean beliefs such as reincarnation, karma, etc. You choose to believe or not. As a Christian, I make sense and logic out of them. I've had experiences that prove their truism and that's why I believe! Not because AMORC wants me to believe it but because I want to! That's the simple truth my brother. Thanks for asking these nice questions. But since you said you have your reasons, I'd love to explain them if they are misconceptions or correct them if they are errors or disprove them if they are lies. You may proceed to make your argument.

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Re: Ask Me Any Question(s) About AMORC And Other Esoteric Organisations In Nigeria by naira0(m): 1:24pm On Apr 16, 2015
literarymathy:
The remaining 15% have ulterior motives excepting those who left for personal or religious reasons and those ones rarely say things that do not exist.


Could you shed more lights on this. Why would some people leave for religious reasons?
Re: Ask Me Any Question(s) About AMORC And Other Esoteric Organisations In Nigeria by Nobody: 1:35pm On Apr 16, 2015
naira0:



Could you shed more lights on this. Why would some people leave for religious reasons?

Some people may fall into the strong belief that amorc is not their path. These people may believe that they are meant to be either dedicated Christians or Muslims or Buddhists, etc. It is perfectly normal. Mysticism isn't meant for everyone. Whereas some get to a level and become lost to the path. Some people are not meant to be mystics but to be religious ascetics or parsons. That's the reason. But for whatever reasons, some people have a knack of crucifying things. If it was that evil, why did they join in the first place? So my brother, I'm telling you the truth no matter how it is and always will.
Re: Ask Me Any Question(s) About AMORC And Other Esoteric Organisations In Nigeria by alcuin(m): 7:51pm On Apr 16, 2015
Most people who claim to be long standing members but later left and keep on castigating our Order, don't even know the Rosicrucian Sign and have not attended any Lodge activity before. They don't even know what a Key Number is. Meaning they weren't members of the Order at anytime. They are impostors.

Ask them simple questions about the Order, you will get a blank look.

Too bad.

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Re: Ask Me Any Question(s) About AMORC And Other Esoteric Organisations In Nigeria by Skoopy(m): 9:17pm On Apr 16, 2015
This thread is perceived to be one of the best thread on nairaland for the 1st quarter of 2015. I'm marveled at your composure, and intellectual capacity.

I'm oblige to stay glue to this thread.

Best wishes @op

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Re: Ask Me Any Question(s) About AMORC And Other Esoteric Organisations In Nigeria by omonnakoda: 11:06pm On Apr 16, 2015
Two: AMORC Unveiled
http://www.american-buddha.com/cult.prisonersanjosefreeman.2.htm
Before I begin the narrative of my own involvement with AMORC, it is necessary that I acquaint the reader with something of the history of the order. This history is somewhat obscured both by the passage of time but also because of the secrecy that surrounds certain aspects of this story.

The story of AMORC's origins should probably focus mainly on the activities of its founder, Harvey Spencer Lewis, who was born on November 25, 1883, in Frenchtown, New Jersey. Lewis was destined to bring his mastery of American commercial and promotional techniques, derived from his background in advertising, to the popular promotion of a secret esoteric order.

In order to understand the history of AMORC, it is probably valuable to look at one of its predecessors, the Order of the Golden Dawn. This society was formed in 1888, following the alleged acquisition and translation of a peculiarly intriguing document, composed in cipher (or code), by a Dr. William Wynn Westcott, a London coroner.

Before he found the manuscript, Westcott was already a Rosicrucian. In fact, he was the head of the Societas Rosicruciana in Anglia, an English Rosicrucian order.

When Westcott decoded the document, he found it to be fragments of the rituals of a society called the Order of the Golden Dawn. He then approached an associate, Samuel Liddell Mathers (later known to the public as the controversial magician MacGregor Mathers), to expand the fragments into full-blown rituals.

According to the story, Westcott had found a name and address with the manuscript, that of a Fraulein Anna Sprengel. The fraulein was allegedly the head of a German occult group, Die Goldene Dammerung (The Golden Dawn). Westcott, according to the story, asked and received permission to form an English branch of the order.

The story of how Westcott allegedly found the cipher, translated the cipher, went to Mathers to extend the rituals, and got permission to form the order was well-known in the early part of the twentieth century. AMORC founder Harvey Lewis was five years old when the Order of the Golden Dawn was formed, and by the time he went on his search in Europe to authenticate AMORC, the Golden Dawn story was part of occult history.

Another side to this history of the Golden Dawn is that its origins are a matter of dispute among occult historians. In fact, many writers dispute part or all of the story. For instance, some claim that Anna Sprengel conveniently "died" shortly after the English order was formed and therefore could not be reached for verification of the story -- though this was mainly because, according to these scholars, she probably never existed at all.

Others say the Die Goldene Dammerung itself never existed or was actually a pseudonym for another order entirely. The Golden Dawn's origin, although fairly recent in recorded history, remains shrouded in mystery to this day.

It is instructive to compare the founding of the Order of the Golden Dawn and of AMORC. Like Lewis, Westcott and his order were Rosicrucian. In fact, the German order was also said to be Rosicrucian. Westcott's actions to create a new order were allegedly initiated by going to another order and forming a branch, getting permission from an older Rosicrucian order. This mirrors almost exactly the actions of H. Spencer Lewis some two decades later.

It is probable that Lewis did come to know the whole story eventually, although when he started out to develop AMORC, he may only have known certain fragments. In the beginning, he may not have fully understood the problematic characters of the initial contacts he made, people like Aleister Crowley, MacGregor Mathers, or Theodore Reuss.

Still, he knew, like Westcott, that finding or creating an "authentic" history of the order -- a pedigree, if you like -- was essential to establish legitimacy in the public sectors he wanted to reach. After all, the key to the appeal of the Rosicrucians since the Fama Fraternitatis and other seminal seventeenth-century documents, was that this was an organization that had special, secret information that may have been derived from very ancient times.

In its day, before it splintered into many fragments due to internal dissension, the Order of the Golden Dawn had received huge amounts of publicity and the allegiance of many famous celebrities. Despite this massive publicity, the Order of the Golden Dawn was not really an organization that targeted the masses or strove for mass appeal. It was essentially a highly secret occult society.

But, in hindsight, the Golden Dawn story did impact the public. This success may have lent confidence to Lewis as he moved to create strong PR machinery to establish AMORC's authenticity. Lewis knew, great publicist and entrepreneur that he was, that the lineage he needed for his order had to be as bulletproof as possible.

Whatever the real timetable, Lewis probably began as somewhat of a novice. At first, on his path to establishing authenticity for his new order, he encountered and was briefly involved with certain people like Aleister Crowley and Theodore Reuss. He soon found that his new contacts would not be very good shields against negative publicity. In fact, working with them was a liability that could defeat his entrepreneurial interests from the outset.

Harvey Lewis's publicity clearly eclipsed any former attempt to reach the masses, diving into the very heartland of America, as well as the rest of the world.

As a result, "authenticity" became a major key to AMORC's mass appeal, a feather in Lewis's cap of ingenious mass marketing. AMORC's alleged credentials "proved" that it was a virtually perennial spiritual organization whose origins lay in the ancient Egyptian mysteries. AMORC's advertising and its lessons soon suggested that the Rosicrucian order received its authorization to operate by a legitimate confederation of Rosicrucian organizations. This confederation was called FUDOSI, an acronym in French for Federation Universelle des Ordres et Societes Iniciatiques. In English this translates to the Universal Federation of Initiatic Orders and Societies. FUDOSI was represented by the titular heads of various Rosicrucian orders.

Scrutiny of this idea leads to the question: were all of these organizations branches of one monolithic order, or were they separate entities? As you will see, in its presentation, AMORC appears to represent itself as an authentic branch of a monolithic order that hearkens back to the Egyptian mysteries. This perennial order wielded a specific iconic cross demonstrating its authenticity, a golden cross with an enfolded flower blossom. The symbol represented the many incarnations of the adept necessary to reach the level of the rose-croix. The golden cross was the body, while the blossoming flower's petals represented the many incarnations needed to attain spiritual perfection.

FUDOSI, itself, no doubt, was an interesting experiment. According to Milko Bogaard, in an article called "FUDOSI," [1] written for something called the Forum and posted on November 2000, the organization was founded in 1934 "to protect the sacred liturgies, rites, and doctrines of the traditional initiatory orders from being appropriated and profaned by clandestine organizations" (FUDOSI Journal, Nov. 1946) and was dissolved in 1951 under what, according to Bogaard, appears to be a rather unfortunate dispute.

FUDOSI, therefore, was allegedly formed by a confederation of genuine esoteric orders. Its function would be to police the entire world of initiatic organizations. In this manner, it would protect the body of humanity from false prophets and deceiving initiates who would seek to fleece those among the gullible public drawn to this type of scam. These types of scams, undoubtedly, preyed on innocent men and women who had an honest thirst for truth and meaning in their lives.

FUDOSI would eventually be used to help resolve Lewis's search for a pedigree for his organization. But even before it began, Lewis was trying to legitimize his organization. His first attempts revolved around negotiations with Theodore Reuss, a man who became the spiritual head of the Ordo Templi Orientis (OTO). The OTO was pioneered by Aleister Crowley, the notorious English black magician. Dubbed "The Great Beast" by the press, Crowley had become anathema to the English Order of the Golden Dawn.

Reuss was approached by Lewis, who had become aware of credentials Reuss had supplied to McBlain Thomson, the organizer of several American lodges. At one point, Lewis became nervous about Reuss for various reasons, including the participation of Crowley. Somewhat later, Reuss made a special point of letting Lewis know that he had kicked Crowley out of the OTC.

However, despite this, Lewis decided he was through with Reuss and refused to attend the "Universal Brotherhood Gathering." This international event involved Reuss and was organized by the Fratres Rosae Crucis at Ettal in Bavaria. Lewis's refusal caused a great deal of consternation for Reuss, who wished to understand why he had rejected Reuss's offer of friendship and fraternal brotherhood.

Reuss had a friend, Arnoldo Krumm-Heller, who, in 1935,had his own story to tell about the consequences of Lewis's rejection of Reuss. Krumm-Heller is quoted in an article by P. R. Koenig on the relationship between Harvey Spencer Lewis, Theodore Reuss, Aleister Crowley, and Heinrich Tranker. Writing in his own Rosicrucian magazine, Krumm-Heller says:

Nowadays in all Spencer Lewis's publications -- which I cannot deny have certain merits -- one can see, to speak bluntly, that a good deal is owed to my master, Supreme Magus Peregrinus. His faith in AMORC sustained him in his last years, when I knew him in Germany; AMORC had led him to believe that he would receive five dollars a month from their activities in Spain, since he was starving to death. And no, I am not speaking figuratively: sadly Reuss really was dying of hunger, and the disciple who owed him everything never even bothered to send him a single dollar. Reuss himself told me this on one occasion, weeping bitterly. [2]

It is clear in looking at these strange maneuverings by Lewis, his changing alliances, his entanglement in this strange world of lodges and temples, that the total truth of the origins of AMORC is not and may never be transparent. In truth, any source I cite here may be tainted by various competitive fraternal or occult allegiances. So the story I am telling now indicates most clearly the complexity of what happened and the difficulty of reporting anything objectively in the highly secretive world of esoteric lodges and orders, each having its own special claim to the truth.

Different parties, intrigued by the machinations of initiatic orders of the era, ponder whether the central symbol of AMORC, the lamen, was taken from the OTO or from another more ancient order, whether certain teachings of AMORC were plagiarized or somehow co-opted, and whether certain documents bear Lewis's signature or not. All these arguments rely heavily on Lewis's apparent intent to obtain credibility for his American Rosicrucian venture.

Perhaps the truth will never be known, but someone researching this material will clearly wonder if the cart weren't being put before the horse. Doesn't this struggle of Lewis seem more like a struggle for some kind of commercial approbation of his order by a socially acceptable institution than a personal struggle to appropriate, re-assemble, and propagate whatever valuable truths there might be for struggling humanity?

It's almost like a person more concerned with getting the benefits of a college degree than mastering a certain type of knowledge. But then again, from my point of view, maybe Lewis was more concerned for the appearance of continuity to satisfy a certain commercial objective than with providing an authentic lineage with the Visible and Invisible Masters of the Universe and their sacred mysteries.

Gary Stewart was the imperator chosen by Ralph Lewis as his successor. Owing to a serious internal dispute, which led to litigation, AMORC reorganized, and Gary Stewart formed a separate organization called the Confraternity of the Rose Cross.

Here's what the original third imperator of AMORC has to say about the group's claims to exclusive authenticity, much of which is based on the organization called FUDOSI, which will be discussed in the third chapter:

I think it is a very noble and honorable idea for a group of organizations to come together for the express purpose of quality control in the fields of esotericism, occultism, and mysticism. However, and I'm probably in the minority with this opinion, but I don't think this has ever really been done before. Anytime a group comes together with a stated purpose to protect and promote "authentic" traditions, two things become glaringly apparent to me. First, that there is an assumption that the interested parties are authentic traditions. Whereas their goal would be to examine prospective traditions, not already in their group, and to make an assessment of their findings upon that groups "legitimacy," there was no control in place to measure the founding order's legitimacy. That authenticity was assumed by virtue of founding the overseeing organization. Secondly, it becomes apparent that such an organization must necessarily become exclusive in its nature, which, in my opinion, is fundamentally contrary to the traditional work that we do. By exclusive I do not mean protective of our traditions, which is very important, but rather, closed, and judgmental of another based upon a preconceived and self-serving notion. Unfortunately, it is my opinion, based upon many years of research including discussion with several involved parties that I have come to the opinion that the FUDOSI fell under the latter category. Needless to say, AMORC, and H. Spencer Lewis, was part of the founding structure of the FUDOSI and it is arguably the case that AMORC was the motivator behind its formation for the purposes of:

1. Establishing a dominance in North America and elsewhere for the Rosicrucian work and,

2. An attempt to resolve the Clymer dispute and the many other lawsuits that AMORC was involved in from 1918 until 1939.

The effects of the FUDOSI are many, and there certainly remains a lot of interest in that organization, especially when it comes to the "authentification" issue. What many people don't realize is that there were constant internal disputes between FUDOSI members that culminated in its dissolution in 1951.
Re: Ask Me Any Question(s) About AMORC And Other Esoteric Organisations In Nigeria by omonnakoda: 11:06pm On Apr 16, 2015
Be that as it may, I don't think the Rosicrucian tradition, or any esoteric tradition for that matter, needs authenticating in the way that has been suggested. Once again, measure the worth of an order by its deeds and trust in the epistemology of the esoteric way, and its methods to express its story and lineage over the production of charters and founding documents. The subject deals with two completely different worlds. Why compromise one for the other?" [3]

The Mastery of Life is the most famous and public document that AMORC uses to publicly promote its purposes and the advantages of membership. It describes itself as a "philosophical and initiatic tradition," whose members study various esoteric topics in their homes and progress from one degree or level to another. It lists the subjects like "the nature of the soul, developing intuition, classical Greek philosophy/ energy centers in the body, and self-healing techniques."

A curious poem called the "LAW" precedes the rest of the document. It states, "You are your own devil, you are your own God." According to this message, no one can save him or herself "from error or sin" unless they will listen to the spirit within themselves.

THIS IS THE PLACE OF PURE BEING
THAT INNER PLACE WHERE YOU DWELL
YOU JUST BE. THERE IS NOTHING TO BE
DONE IN THAT PLACE. FROM THAT PLACE
THEN, IT ALL HAPPENS. IT MANIFESTS IN
PERFECT HARMONY WITH THE UNIVERSE.
BECAUSE YOU ARE THE LAWS OF THE UNIVERSE
YOU ARE THE LAWS OF THE UNIVERSE!
THIS IS WHAT MAN'S JOURNEY
INTO CONSCIOUSNESS IS ALL ABOUT
THIS IS OM (HOME)
IT'S GOING OM
THIS IS THE PLACE!
BECOMING ONE WITH GOD RETURNING
IT'S THE RETURN TO THE ROOTS
THAT THE TAO TALKS ABOUT
IT IS
THE STILLNESS THE CALMNESS THE FULFILLMENT
WHEN YOU MAKE LOVE AND EXPERIENCE
THE ECSTACY OF UNITY
THAT'S THE PLACE!
WHEN YOU EXPERIENCE A GREAT ACHIEVEMENT,
AND YOU FEEL A MOMENT OF EXHILARATION,
THAT'S THE PLACE!
WHEN YOU SEE A MOMENT OF POETRY IN A FLOWER
OR IN WORDS OR IN ART THE WAY IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE ...
THIS IS THE PLACE!
RIGHT HERE!
IT'S BUDDHA CONSCIOUSNESS
IT'S CHRIST CONSCIOUSNESS
JESUS SAYS:
I AND MY FATHER ARE ONE
WHEN BUDDHA SAYS:
YOU GIVE UP ATTACHMENT AND
YOU FINISH WITH THE ILLUSION
THIS IS THE PLACE!

-- Be Here Now, by Ram Dass

The Mastery of Life purports that unlike most groups, seminars, and books, the Rosicrucian method of development is comprehensive. The Rosicrucian teachings do not focus on just one element but on all-important components in human life, allowing for progression on a metaphysical path in a completely balanced way. By interconnecting all the realms -- the physical, the mental, the psychic, the spiritual, the emotional -- the teachings allegedly provide a unique and comprehensive understanding of all the key subjects of metaphysical study.

According to The Mastery of Life, AMORC is "perhaps the only system that does this." And by virtue of this advantage of depth of study, AMORC will lead the student to "true prosperity and peace of mind."

How Is this Accomplished?

The key to this supreme metaphysical approach is through providing the student, by mail, with weekly study lessons that will lead the student, step-by-step, to self-mastery. Self-mastery is defined as "learning how to chart your own course through life," making the right decisions, seeing current circumstances as opportunities for positive change, taking charge of one's own life, and helping those around you to "achieve a happier and a healthier existence."

AMORC'S teachings, presented in small pamphlets called monographs, are generally sent out monthly in bundles of four. The lessons are supposedly the results of many great minds cooperating over the centuries. AMORC defines itself as a "school for practical mysticism."

Does this mean that it will provide a substitute for religion? Absolutely not, the pamphlet Self-Mastery proclaims. In fact, joining AMORC does not require any change in your church or your religious beliefs. Anyone from any kind of religious background can be a Rosicrucian. Yet, by studying the Rosicrucian path, people will come to appreciate the mystical teachings of all religions.

According to AMORC, its teachings embody both metaphysical and mystical components. The order defines metaphysics as a scope of activity that transcends the five senses, citing healing, visualization, and intuition as examples. It defines mysticism as "the direct, conscious union with the Absolute, Divine Mind, Universal Intelligence, or what some Rosicrucian students call the God of their Hearts."

We are reminded that there is no credo to be believed blindly, no demand for acceptance of anything without experience. The Rosicrucian order simply provides the tools. Your experience and reflection will do everything else.

According to its official website, www.rosicrucian.org [4], AMORC is a nonprofit charitable organization, falling under the IRS section 501(c)(3).It is supported by a combination of dues and donations from its students, with additional funds (beyond expenses) going to support its programs, projects consistent with its humanitarian goals.

AMORC makes certain claims about its self-study program. It offers "specific techniques to reduce stress and speed up your body's natural healing processes." It promises to teach students "how to bring into physical manifestation the life you've dreamed of, whether it's happiness and peace, or success in your business." Besides promising to teach students "relaxation and meditation" techniques, it specifically states that it will teach "how to use visualization as a tool to achieve your goals."

On an emotional level, it offers a "greater sense of confidence and inner peace," buoyed by the sure knowledge of how to tap into your inner wisdom. Natural abilities are further enhanced by the development of the "psychic sense, a natural faculty which is dormant in most people and only needs to be developed."

On the spiritual level, it promises a growing awareness of the members' oneness with the universe and all creation. It offers a profound rescue from the darkness of life that surrounds most human beings, who are separate from life's magical flow all around them.

The Mastery of Life is the major recruiting tool for AMORC, and part of its function is to describe the benefits the group will provide to prospective members.

As mentioned, the major tool it provides is a "packet of weekly lessons, called monographs." These monographs are six to eight pages each, requiring "about one and a half hours once a week to study that week's lesson and perform any exercise or experiment given." The rest of the week is for reflection on the exercise and also to repeat the exercises.

AMORC reminds the prospective student that the actual exercises and techniques are at the heart of the learning process and that it is not sufficient simply to read the monographs. It compares a purely theoretical approach -- that is, reading the monographs without doing the exercises -- to reading a book on playing the piano but never practicing. So without practice, there can be no mastery of life.

For the purpose of understanding my book, it is necessary to understand what claims are made by AMORC and how the monographs supposedly serve to fulfill those claims. In one sense, The Mastery of Life is a set of specific claims made about the benefits offered to prospective members who join the order.

AMORC is basically structured like a fraternal organization, like the Freemasons, the Elks, the Kiwanis Club, or even like some school fraternities. The structure of these organizations is often derived from ancient trade fraternities, whose members were carpenters or stonemasons, or from secret religious organizations like the Knights Templar or older Masonic lodges, which clearly had some kind of mystical foundation for their teachings. Sometimes, as with the stonemasons who built the Gothic cathedrals, perhaps the trade and secret esoteric functions overlapped.

AMORC has initiations and degrees, most of which can be carried out in actual lodges, but unlike most other fraternal organizations, initiations can also be carried out at home. Participation in the lodge is purely optional.

In the monographs, three introductory sections are described: the postulant, the neophyte, and the initiate sections. Beyond that is an illumination section, whose contents are kept secret, even from members enrolled in the first three sections.

AMORC lets us know that the section titled Temple Degrees of the Initiate deals individually with topics like the aura and the projection of the psychic or astral body; ancient philosophies, psychic, and physical health. These twelve degrees take about five years to master, followed by other lessons. We are told that this is a very balanced, structured program leading to proper inner development for the member.

Why Are the Degrees Structured this Way?

According to allegedly ancient traditions, the beginning students are called neophytes, and their first steps are into the atrium, the "reception chamber of the temple." Thus, there are three introductory lessons, followed by three sections of monographs called the Atrium Lessons. A further series of lessons for initiates is called the Temple Lessons. Following the ninth Temple degree, there is continuing education in the AMORC community.

According to AMORC, its initiations are part of an ancient tradition, dating back to ancient Egypt, commemorating important moments on its members walk on a mystical path towards Divine Unity.

Each degree is preceded by a specific initiation ceremony that can be accomplished at home as well as in the lodges run by the order. Like most esoteric, fraternal orders, the idea is that these ceremonies embody important, even cosmic, truths. The theatrical element in the lodges, involving costumes, sacred objects, music, and special lighting, are like the ancient mystery dramas. In fact, it is well-known that much of ancient Greek theater, including comedies as well as tragedies, was developed by the Eleusinian mysteries, a type of mystery school, which was the focus of the Greek religion.

The Eleusinian mysteries were an offshoot of the Egyptian mysteries. So the fact that such ceremonies existed for thousands of years is well accepted by historians.

But, according to The Mastery of Life brochure, the term mystery once had a different connotation than today. The term mystery was defined as gnosis, meaning knowing. This term, used by the early Christians -- specifically those known as Gnostics -- seems to point to a unique state of consciousness, which certain groups (like the followers of Marcion and Valentinius) claimed was the original criteria for development as a Christian, going beyond the formal, external baptisms of other groups in early Christianity.

AMORC, referring to its own rituals of initiation, says, "the mystical aspect of initiation arouses your psychic and emotional response concerning the subjects you are about to study and produces an awareness, a state of consciousness which could otherwise not be achieved."

This is an important claim. It is in two parts:

1) The initiation produces a psychic and emotional response regarding the subjects "you are about to study."

2) It produces "an awareness, a state of consciousness which otherwise could not be achieved."

In the second part of its claim, AMORC states that you need the initiation to produce a certain state of consciousness. This state of consciousness could not be achieved in any other way.

Furthermore, an initiation, according to AMORC, must:

1) Encourage you to look within.

2) Create a feeling of idealism and aspiration within you.

3) Extract from you a sacred promise that you will try to fulfill your obligations.

AMORC's purposes for initiation are the same as traditional initiations, despite the fact that they can be carried out at home. According to AMORC, the real purpose of initiation is "illumination of consciousness." This illumination will only come to seekers when they are ready to work "on the inner plane." External ceremony is incidental to the inner purpose, even to those seekers who "traveled thousands of miles to reach ancient temples."

According to The Mastery of Life, there are different types of local Rosicrucian groups: lodges, pronaos, atrium group. Here lectures, seminars, and ceremonies take place. No member is forced to attend these meetings, and most members probably do not.

After attending three consecutive meetings without charge, members can join. There is an extra membership fee. Sometimes, there are meetings that are open to the public.

Rosicrucians are given a variety of reading material, including the quarterly Rosicrucian Digest, the official magazine of AMORC; the Rosicrucian Forum, a supplemental teaching publication distributed only to Rosicrucian students; the Rose+Cross Journal, an international online publication focusing on cross-discipline matters of interest. There is also an English Great Lodge Bulletin, which focuses on international and national events of interest to Rosicrucians.

Another feature of the Rosicrucian community is the Council of Solace, a group dedicated to helping those who are challenged with their financial situation, emotional crises, health problems, or other issues. Aid is available for those who request it.

As you will see, The Mastery of Life's presentation of AMORC's teachings and goals does not accurately depict my twenty-four years' experience of its teachings.
Re: Ask Me Any Question(s) About AMORC And Other Esoteric Organisations In Nigeria by Nobody: 9:19am On Apr 17, 2015
omonnakoda:
Two: AMORC Unveiled
http://www.american-buddha.com/cult.prisonersanjosefreeman.2.htm
Before I begin the narrative of my own involvement with AMORC, it is necessary that I acquaint the reader with something of the history of the order. This history is somewhat obscured both by the passage of time but also because of the secrecy that surrounds certain aspects of this story.

The story of AMORC's origins should probably focus mainly on the activities of its founder, Harvey Spencer Lewis, who was born on November 25, 1883, in Frenchtown, New Jersey. Lewis was destined to bring his mastery of American commercial and promotional techniques, derived from his background in advertising, to the popular promotion of a secret esoteric order.

In order to understand the history of AMORC, it is probably valuable to look at one of its predecessors, the Order of the Golden Dawn. This society was formed in 1888, following the alleged acquisition and translation of a peculiarly intriguing document, composed in cipher (or code), by a Dr. William Wynn Westcott, a London coroner.

Before he found the manuscript, Westcott was already a Rosicrucian. In fact, he was the head of the Societas Rosicruciana in Anglia, an English Rosicrucian order.

When Westcott decoded the document, he found it to be fragments of the rituals of a society called the Order of the Golden Dawn. He then approached an associate, Samuel Liddell Mathers (later known to the public as the controversial magician MacGregor Mathers), to expand the fragments into full-blown rituals.

According to the story, Westcott had found a name and address with the manuscript, that of a Fraulein Anna Sprengel. The fraulein was allegedly the head of a German occult group, Die Goldene Dammerung (The Golden Dawn). Westcott, according to the story, asked and received permission to form an English branch of the order.

The story of how Westcott allegedly found the cipher, translated the cipher, went to Mathers to extend the rituals, and got permission to form the order was well-known in the early part of the twentieth century. AMORC founder Harvey Lewis was five years old when the Order of the Golden Dawn was formed, and by the time he went on his search in Europe to authenticate AMORC, the Golden Dawn story was part of occult history.

Another side to this history of the Golden Dawn is that its origins are a matter of dispute among occult historians. In fact, many writers dispute part or all of the story. For instance, some claim that Anna Sprengel conveniently "died" shortly after the English order was formed and therefore could not be reached for verification of the story -- though this was mainly because, according to these scholars, she probably never existed at all.

Others say the Die Goldene Dammerung itself never existed or was actually a pseudonym for another order entirely. The Golden Dawn's origin, although fairly recent in recorded history, remains shrouded in mystery to this day.

It is instructive to compare the founding of the Order of the Golden Dawn and of AMORC. Like Lewis, Westcott and his order were Rosicrucian. In fact, the German order was also said to be Rosicrucian. Westcott's actions to create a new order were allegedly initiated by going to another order and forming a branch, getting permission from an older Rosicrucian order. This mirrors almost exactly the actions of H. Spencer Lewis some two decades later.

It is probable that Lewis did come to know the whole story eventually, although when he started out to develop AMORC, he may only have known certain fragments. In the beginning, he may not have fully understood the problematic characters of the initial contacts he made, people like Aleister Crowley, MacGregor Mathers, or Theodore Reuss.

Still, he knew, like Westcott, that finding or creating an "authentic" history of the order -- a pedigree, if you like -- was essential to establish legitimacy in the public sectors he wanted to reach. After all, the key to the appeal of the Rosicrucians since the Fama Fraternitatis and other seminal seventeenth-century documents, was that this was an organization that had special, secret information that may have been derived from very ancient times.

In its day, before it splintered into many fragments due to internal dissension, the Order of the Golden Dawn had received huge amounts of publicity and the allegiance of many famous celebrities. Despite this massive publicity, the Order of the Golden Dawn was not really an organization that targeted the masses or strove for mass appeal. It was essentially a highly secret occult society.

But, in hindsight, the Golden Dawn story did impact the public. This success may have lent confidence to Lewis as he moved to create strong PR machinery to establish AMORC's authenticity. Lewis knew, great publicist and entrepreneur that he was, that the lineage he needed for his order had to be as bulletproof as possible.

Whatever the real timetable, Lewis probably began as somewhat of a novice. At first, on his path to establishing authenticity for his new order, he encountered and was briefly involved with certain people like Aleister Crowley and Theodore Reuss. He soon found that his new contacts would not be very good shields against negative publicity. In fact, working with them was a liability that could defeat his entrepreneurial interests from the outset.

Harvey Lewis's publicity clearly eclipsed any former attempt to reach the masses, diving into the very heartland of America, as well as the rest of the world.

As a result, "authenticity" became a major key to AMORC's mass appeal, a feather in Lewis's cap of ingenious mass marketing. AMORC's alleged credentials "proved" that it was a virtually perennial spiritual organization whose origins lay in the ancient Egyptian mysteries. AMORC's advertising and its lessons soon suggested that the Rosicrucian order received its authorization to operate by a legitimate confederation of Rosicrucian organizations. This confederation was called FUDOSI, an acronym in French for Federation Universelle des Ordres et Societes Iniciatiques. In English this translates to the Universal Federation of Initiatic Orders and Societies. FUDOSI was represented by the titular heads of various Rosicrucian orders.

Scrutiny of this idea leads to the question: were all of these organizations branches of one monolithic order, or were they separate entities? As you will see, in its presentation, AMORC appears to represent itself as an authentic branch of a monolithic order that hearkens back to the Egyptian mysteries. This perennial order wielded a specific iconic cross demonstrating its authenticity, a golden cross with an enfolded flower blossom. The symbol represented the many incarnations of the adept necessary to reach the level of the rose-croix. The golden cross was the body, while the blossoming flower's petals represented the many incarnations needed to attain spiritual perfection.

FUDOSI, itself, no doubt, was an interesting experiment. According to Milko Bogaard, in an article called "FUDOSI," [1] written for something called the Forum and posted on November 2000, the organization was founded in 1934 "to protect the sacred liturgies, rites, and doctrines of the traditional initiatory orders from being appropriated and profaned by clandestine organizations" (FUDOSI Journal, Nov. 1946) and was dissolved in 1951 under what, according to Bogaard, appears to be a rather unfortunate dispute.

FUDOSI, therefore, was allegedly formed by a confederation of genuine esoteric orders. Its function would be to police the entire world of initiatic organizations. In this manner, it would protect the body of humanity from false prophets and deceiving initiates who would seek to fleece those among the gullible public drawn to this type of scam. These types of scams, undoubtedly, preyed on innocent men and women who had an honest thirst for truth and meaning in their lives.

FUDOSI would eventually be used to help resolve Lewis's search for a pedigree for his organization. But even before it began, Lewis was trying to legitimize his organization. His first attempts revolved around negotiations with Theodore Reuss, a man who became the spiritual head of the Ordo Templi Orientis (OTO). The OTO was pioneered by Aleister Crowley, the notorious English black magician. Dubbed "The Great Beast" by the press, Crowley had become anathema to the English Order of the Golden Dawn.

Reuss was approached by Lewis, who had become aware of credentials Reuss had supplied to McBlain Thomson, the organizer of several American lodges. At one point, Lewis became nervous about Reuss for various reasons, including the participation of Crowley. Somewhat later, Reuss made a special point of letting Lewis know that he had kicked Crowley out of the OTC.

However, despite this, Lewis decided he was through with Reuss and refused to attend the "Universal Brotherhood Gathering." This international event involved Reuss and was organized by the Fratres Rosae Crucis at Ettal in Bavaria. Lewis's refusal caused a great deal of consternation for Reuss, who wished to understand why he had rejected Reuss's offer of friendship and fraternal brotherhood.

Reuss had a friend, Arnoldo Krumm-Heller, who, in 1935,had his own story to tell about the consequences of Lewis's rejection of Reuss. Krumm-Heller is quoted in an article by P. R. Koenig on the relationship between Harvey Spencer Lewis, Theodore Reuss, Aleister Crowley, and Heinrich Tranker. Writing in his own Rosicrucian magazine, Krumm-Heller says:

Nowadays in all Spencer Lewis's publications -- which I cannot deny have certain merits -- one can see, to speak bluntly, that a good deal is owed to my master, Supreme Magus Peregrinus. His faith in AMORC sustained him in his last years, when I knew him in Germany; AMORC had led him to believe that he would receive five dollars a month from their activities in Spain, since he was starving to death. And no, I am not speaking figuratively: sadly Reuss really was dying of hunger, and the disciple who owed him everything never even bothered to send him a single dollar. Reuss himself told me this on one occasion, weeping bitterly. [2]

It is clear in looking at these strange maneuverings by Lewis, his changing alliances, his entanglement in this strange world of lodges and temples, that the total truth of the origins of AMORC is not and may never be transparent. In truth, any source I cite here may be tainted by various competitive fraternal or occult allegiances. So the story I am telling now indicates most clearly the complexity of what happened and the difficulty of reporting anything objectively in the highly secretive world of esoteric lodges and orders, each having its own special claim to the truth.

Different parties, intrigued by the machinations of initiatic orders of the era, ponder whether the central symbol of AMORC, the lamen, was taken from the OTO or from another more ancient order, whether certain teachings of AMORC were plagiarized or somehow co-opted, and whether certain documents bear Lewis's signature or not. All these arguments rely heavily on Lewis's apparent intent to obtain credibility for his American Rosicrucian venture.

Perhaps the truth will never be known, but someone researching this material will clearly wonder if the cart weren't being put before the horse. Doesn't this struggle of Lewis seem more like a struggle for some kind of commercial approbation of his order by a socially acceptable institution than a personal struggle to appropriate, re-assemble, and propagate whatever valuable truths there might be for struggling humanity?

It's almost like a person more concerned with getting the benefits of a college degree than mastering a certain type of knowledge. But then again, from my point of view, maybe Lewis was more concerned for the appearance of continuity to satisfy a certain commercial objective than with providing an authentic lineage with the Visible and Invisible Masters of the Universe and their sacred mysteries.

Gary Stewart was the imperator chosen by Ralph Lewis as his successor. Owing to a serious internal dispute, which led to litigation, AMORC reorganized, and Gary Stewart formed a separate organization called the Confraternity of the Rose Cross.

Here's what the original third imperator of AMORC has to say about the group's claims to exclusive authenticity, much of which is based on the organization called FUDOSI, which will be discussed in the third chapter:

I think it is a very noble and honorable idea for a group of organizations to come together for the express purpose of quality control in the fields of esotericism, occultism, and mysticism. However, and I'm probably in the minority with this opinion, but I don't think this has ever really been done before. Anytime a group comes together with a stated purpose to protect and promote "authentic" traditions, two things become glaringly apparent to me. First, that there is an assumption that the interested parties are authentic traditions. Whereas their goal would be to examine prospective traditions, not already in their group, and to make an assessment of their findings upon that groups "legitimacy," there was no control in place to measure the founding order's legitimacy. That authenticity was assumed by virtue of founding the overseeing organization. Secondly, it becomes apparent that such an organization must necessarily become exclusive in its nature, which, in my opinion, is fundamentally contrary to the traditional work that we do. By exclusive I do not mean protective of our traditions, which is very important, but rather, closed, and judgmental of another based upon a preconceived and self-serving notion. Unfortunately, it is my opinion, based upon many years of research including discussion with several involved parties that I have come to the opinion that the FUDOSI fell under the latter category. Needless to say, AMORC, and H. Spencer Lewis, was part of the founding structure of the FUDOSI and it is arguably the case that AMORC was the motivator behind its formation for the purposes of:

1. Establishing a dominance in North America and elsewhere for the Rosicrucian work and,

2. An attempt to resolve the Clymer dispute and the many other lawsuits that AMORC was involved in from 1918 until 1939.

The effects of the FUDOSI are many, and there certainly remains a lot of interest in that organization, especially when it comes to the "authentification" issue. What many people don't realize is that there were constant internal disputes between FUDOSI members that culminated in its dissolution in 1951.



All these epistles of yours are not new to me. Pierre Freeman is a troubled man desperately in need of fame and attention. Leaving an organisation is one thing. Castigating it and publishing its teachings is another thing. Freeman joined amorc so he can make money & live a better life. On finding out that amorc doesn't give magical wealth, he resorted to using amorc as a point of reference in his money making business. Now let me ask this question, the so-called books he writes against amorc, are they free? He's not worth my words.

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Re: Ask Me Any Question(s) About AMORC And Other Esoteric Organisations In Nigeria by Nobody: 12:23pm On Apr 17, 2015
fratermathy:


Membership is easily done online now. I think the site is http://amorc.org.ng
However you can walk to any affiliated body in the country and get a form freely.

Before you do all that, it is important to be sure that your purpose of joining AMORC is not negative. When I mean negative I mean the purpose is not to make money through ritual means, to seek for unnecessary protection from perceived enemies or even to get theatrical powers to harm anyone. If these are on the postulant's mind, his membership won't be accepted.


You can access the introductory AMORC pamphlet called "The Mastery of Life" if you want. Just paste your email.


oplbycar@gmail.com
Re: Ask Me Any Question(s) About AMORC And Other Esoteric Organisations In Nigeria by omonnakoda: 12:39pm On Apr 17, 2015
literarymathy:



All these epistles of yours are not new to me. Pierre Freeman is a troubled man desperately in need of fame and attention. Leaving an organisation is one thing. Castigating it and publishing its teachings is another thing. Freeman joined amorc so he can make money & live a better life. On finding out that amorc doesn't give magical wealth, he resorted to using amorc as a point of reference in his money making business. Now let me ask this question, the so-called books he writes against amorc, are they free? He's not worth my words.
I do not know anything about him but those who are interested in AMORC would no doubt benefit from reading what he has to say and then form their own judgment. It is interesting that you choose to attack him without addressing the points he raised.I think that is what would be of interest to potential joiners
Is it the case as he claimed that he was a member for 20 years? If he is "troubled" as you say he is one wonders whether that is a consequence of joining AMORC or why AMORC did not help relieve his "troubles" over 20 years. Calling him names changes nothing!!. What people are interested in is SINCERE responses to his allegations. Dismissing them or maligning him quite frankly is an own goal for AMORC .You are telling us to believe it took him over 20 years to find out AMORC does not give magical wealth. ONe wonders WHY DID HE HAVE THE IMPRESSION THAT AMORC GIVES MAGICAL WEALTH in the first place
Re: Ask Me Any Question(s) About AMORC And Other Esoteric Organisations In Nigeria by Nobody: 1:12pm On Apr 17, 2015
omonnakoda:
I do not know anything about him but those who are interested in AMORC would no doubt benefit from reading what he has to say and then form their own judgment. It is interesting that you choose to attack him without addressing the points he raised.I think that is what would be of interest to potential joiners
Is it the case as he claimed that he was a member for 20 years? If he is "troubled" as you say he is one wonders whether that is a consequence of joining AMORC or why AMORC did not help relieve his "troubles" over 20 years. Calling him names changes nothing!!. What people are interested in is SINCERE responses to his allegations. Dismissing them or maligning him quite frankly is an own goal for AMORC .You are telling us to believe it took him over 20 years to find out AMORC does not give magical wealth. ONe wonders WHY DID HE HAVE THE IMPRESSION THAT AMORC GIVES MAGICAL WEALTH in the first place
Why did he have that impression? Same way others have it that amorc is occultic and what not. It's an urban myth. I choose to neglect Freeman because I've seen amorc members of 50years and counting that have made better things with their lives than running invectives. Whatever Freeman must have perceived or seen are his PERSONAL OPINIONS. AMORC doesn't impose anything on members. As a long standing member who enjoys FREEDOM, I've never seen or perceived anything that proves Freeman's theory right other than the fact that he is interested in making some measure of fame and money from his bantering. He is not the first person to leave amorc. Have you ever asked why he is so fascinated with an organisation he purportedly left? He didn't even leave for religious reasons like most people. Have you ever wondered why AMORC has IGNORED him all these years? You think we can't drag him to court for defamation of a registered public organisation. However we choose to simply call his acts childish and deny him the satisfaction of our attention. So that's exactly what I'm doing. Whatever you aim to achieve by posting extracts of his book here(which I've read myself and of course, it wasn't free), I refuse to bow to it. I remain resolute that amorc is not by force neither is it a do or die affair. True Rosicrucians find their path. I only created this thread to correct certain misconceptions and to unveil the enigma that's associated with this noble organisation. If your purpose is to learn or be corrected as to the true nature of amorc then proceed and ask but if not, I shall not stoop. Believe what you must, it doesn't change the truth!
Re: Ask Me Any Question(s) About AMORC And Other Esoteric Organisations In Nigeria by omonnakoda: 1:18pm On Apr 17, 2015
literarymathy:

Why did he have that impression? Same way other have it that amorc is occultic and what not. It's an urban myth. I choose to neglect Freeman because I've seen amorc members of 50years and counting that have made better things with their lives than running invectives. Whatever Freeman must have perceived or seen are his PERSONAL OPINIONS. AMORC doesn't impose anything on members as a long standing member who enjoys FREEDOM, I've never seen or perceived anything that proves Freeman's theory right other than the fact that he is interested in making some measure of fame and money from his bantering. He is not the first person to leave amorc. Have you ever asked why he is so fascinated with an organisation he purportedly left? He didn't even leave for religious reasons like most people. Have you ever wondered why AMORC has IGNORED him all these years? You think we can't drag him to court for defamation of a registered public organisation. However we choose to simply call his acts childish and deny him the satisfaction of our attention. So that's exactly what I'm doing. Whatever you aim to achieve by posting extracts of his book here(which I've read myself and of course, it wasn't free), I refuse to bow to it. I remain resolute that amorc is not by force neither is it a do or die affair. True Rosicrucians find their path. I only created this thread to correct certain misconceptions and to unveil the enigma that's associated with noble organisation. If your purpose is to learn or be corrected as to the true nature of amorc then proceed and ask but if not, I shall not stoop. Believe what you must, it doesn't change the truth!
You shall not stoop? You are a dirty monkey. Correct who? GO and correct your father.mannerless cretin
Re: Ask Me Any Question(s) About AMORC And Other Esoteric Organisations In Nigeria by Nobody: 1:25pm On Apr 17, 2015
omonnakoda:
You shall not stoop? You are a dirty monkey. Correct who? GO and correct your father.mannerless cretin

It is well with you!

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Re: Ask Me Any Question(s) About AMORC And Other Esoteric Organisations In Nigeria by omonnakoda: 1:27pm On Apr 17, 2015
literarymathy:


It is well with you!
Regardless of what you say

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Re: Ask Me Any Question(s) About AMORC And Other Esoteric Organisations In Nigeria by oshie(m): 7:40pm On Apr 17, 2015
omonnakoda:
You shall not stoop? You are a dirty monkey. Correct who? GO and correct your father.mannerless cretin

If I post on NL and get dis kain reply, I do one thing. LAFF

Whoever that angers u conquers u.

I have seen people leave AMORC cos they came looking for 2 things; wealth, power to hit back at they feel are their enemies that hinder their progress.

I have equally seen fraters who are receive the Orders teachings and practice what they perceived will be a short cut to get instant result.

Members are at liberty to take the Orders teachings.

The op has done enough justice to this topic. But no matter the amount of light shed on the topic doubts will always be the case of the issue. Some will even feel AMORC has paid the guy for the job. What negative things have not been said about this Order?

AMORC, better experienced than imagined.

I am a Rosicrucian. Currently inactive cos there was a time I couldn't pay for subscription. Once I pay my dues which I look forward to , my monographs will start arriving. It's just like a phone that could no longer browse cos of exhausted sub.

If as close as Thomas was to Jesus he doubted his resurrection.........
Re: Ask Me Any Question(s) About AMORC And Other Esoteric Organisations In Nigeria by omonnakoda: 7:57pm On Apr 17, 2015
oshie:


If I post on NL and get dis kain reply, I do one thing. LAFF

Whoever that angers u conquers u.

I have seen people leave AMORC cos they came looking for 2 things; wealth, power to hit back at they feel are their enemies that hinder their progress.

I have equally seen fraters who are receive the Orders teachings and practice what they perceived will be a short cut to get instant result.

Members are at liberty to take the Orders teachings.

The op has done enough justice to this topic. But no matter the amount of light shed on the topic doubts will always be the case of the issue. Some will even feel AMORC has paid the guy for the job. What negative things have not been said about this Order?

AMORC, better experienced than imagined.

I am a Rosicrucian. Currently inactive cos there was a time I couldn't pay for subscription. Once I pay my dues which I look forward to , my monographs will start arriving. It's just like a phone that could no longer browse cos of exhausted sub.

If as close as Thomas was to Jesus he doubted his resurrection.........



"Whoever angers you conquers you" maybe maybe not. Let's dispense with the "TINNED" knowledge and do some actual thinking. I am a dispassionate ,disinterested inquirer. I came across the San Jose Write up after these AMORC threads were opened. I found the writer to be quite articulate and coherent.Naturally I accept that there are two sides to every story. I expected to hear a reasoned alternative perspective. The first response was of ad hominem. Give him a bad name" he is troubled,he is this he is that. That does not help AMORC's position. Let us deal with the issues he raised
e.g a lack of true fraternity among members
the use of mind control techniques such as are seen in similar organizations (in my opinion) pentecostal churches such as encouraging social isolation and overburdening by providing excessively oppressive volumes of reading material thus discouraging any individuality. These among others are his ALLEGATIONS Let us call them that .That is what should be addressed . Whether he is gay, insane or Muslim is irrelevant to me
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The same thing he accuses AMORC of we see in Nigerian pentecostal churches ,they are very destructive. AMORC needs to respond in a mature way and not with all these empty words. This is not about me so conquering me whatever that means is meaningless

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Re: Ask Me Any Question(s) About AMORC And Other Esoteric Organisations In Nigeria by Princefame1: 9:09pm On Apr 17, 2015
omonnakoda:
Regardless of what you say
Re: Ask Me Any Question(s) About AMORC And Other Esoteric Organisations In Nigeria by Nobody: 9:56pm On Apr 17, 2015
omonnakoda:
"Whoever angers you conquers you" maybe maybe not. Let's dispense with the "TINNED" knowledge and do some actual thinking. I am a dispassionate ,disinterested inquirer. I came across the San Jose Write up after these AMORC threads were opened. I found the writer to be quite articulate and coherent.Naturally I accept that there are two sides to every story. I expected to hear a reasoned alternative perspective. The first response was of ad hominem. Give him a bad name" he is troubled,he is this he is that. That does not help AMORC's position. Let us deal with the issues he raised
e.g a lack of true fraternity among members
the use of mind control techniques such as are seen in similar organizations (in my opinion) pentecostal churches such as encouraging and overburdening by providing excessively oppressive volumes of reading material thus discouraging any individuality. These among others are his ALLEGATIONS Let us call them that .That is what should be addressed . Whether he is gay, insane or Muslim is irrelevant to me
.
The same thing he accuses AMORC of we see in Nigerian pentecostal churches ,they are very destructive. AMORC needs to respond in a mature way and not with all these empty words. This is not about me so conquering me whatever that means is meaningless

You seem to be fascinated with mind indoctrination. Maybe you should write a PhD thesis on it or publish a book on it like Pierre Freeman. Besides you keep saying amorc needs to respond as if amorc owes any explanation to anyone concerning anything. Please all that I say here are my personal opinion as a member and do not represent the official stand point of amorc. That noted, I still solidly refuse to argue on whether or not Freeman's mind control hypothesis is altruistic or not. I'm not a psychologist, neither are you or Pierre Freeman. As far as I'm concerned I'm not mind controlled in any way because like I told you, I don't worship amorc. It's just like a school to me. Sometimes I go for weeks without reading Monographs. Sometimes I go for months without making reference to AMORC in anyway. If I was mind controlled, I would not do that now would I? That said, this issue of mind control should be left for the professionals because I can also argue that you are being mind controlled by Freeman. It goes both ways. wink
You've made your point, I refute them categorically. If you are out for something else more personal then please write a mail to amorc at info@amorc.org. Thank you.
Re: Ask Me Any Question(s) About AMORC And Other Esoteric Organisations In Nigeria by omonnakoda: 10:14pm On Apr 17, 2015
literarymathy:


You seem to be fascinated with mind indoctrination. Maybe you should write a PhD thesis on it or publish a book on it like Pierre Freeman. Besides you keep saying amorc needs to respond as if amorc owes any explanation to anyone concerning anything. Please all that I say here are my personal opinion as a member and do not represent the official stand point of amorc. That noted, I still solidly refuse to argue on whether or not Freeman's mind control hypothesis is altruistic or not. I'm not a psychologist, neither are you or Pierre Freeman. As far as I'm concerned I'm not mind controlled in any way because like I told you, I don't worship amorc. It's just like a school to me. Sometimes I go for weeks without reading Monographs. Sometimes I go for months without making reference to AMORC in anyway. If I was mind controlled, I would not do that now would I? That said, this issue of mind control should be left for the professionals because I can also argue that you are being mind controlled by Freeman. It goes both ways. wink
You've made your point, I refute them categorically. If you are out for something else more personal then please write a mail to amorc at info@amorc.org. Thank you.
You seem to be fascinated with me. Leave me out of it and deal with the ISSUES.I see a pattern here rather than dealing with issues you focus on individuals. I am just an anonymous ID on an internet chat room .You do not need to respond to me direct them to the room and leave me out of it .Just address the issues Mr Freeman raises. I do not have a bias but they certainly demand a response.once again deal with the issues that were raised . I am not interested in you or your biography either.You do not have to direct any response at me. Your remark about being mind controlled is not funny .It is quite idiotic. I found some information in the public domain and put it here. Did I endorse it ? All I am asking for is a response. I adjure you to do that and leave me out of it
Re: Ask Me Any Question(s) About AMORC And Other Esoteric Organisations In Nigeria by oshie(m): 12:21am On Apr 18, 2015
I am certain that not even the statOrderents of the OP or contributions of anyone on this thread is an official statement from AMORC.

contributions coming in here from those who identified themselves as FRC's are their personal opinions based on their respective experiences with the order

Conversely doubts raised by contributors here are based on their perception of AMORC. Mainly from all they have heard and made to believe.

Truth remains absolute and not relative

If am putting on a red shirt and you are swearing with ur life that am putting on a white shirt can never make my red shirt to be white .

If a child is born in Aghfanistan or Iraq, how do u think he will perceive Christianity as religion? or most people here and their perception of Hinduism practiced in India.

Do we know that the white missionaries accommodated Rosicrucians to be meeting within the church premises when the order was young in Nigeria? Rosicrucians were meeting at a church near Ogbete Enugu before securing a site at PH express, Enugu.

On lack of fraternity among members. that is why the order is not a religion. What members does is his or her own cup of tea. A christian, Muslim, Buddhist, atheist receives the same teachings from the university of life called AMORC. How they understand and apply the gained knowledge is up to them. Man is always at his liberty. ...

On what penticostals say about the Order, does it make the Order not to be the Order. Note that what I say of u and what you are are 2 different things except if am white and u say am white

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Re: Ask Me Any Question(s) About AMORC And Other Esoteric Organisations In Nigeria by Nobody: 6:44am On Apr 18, 2015
oshie:
I am certain that not even the statOrderents of the OP or contributions of anyone on this thread is an official statement from AMORC.

contributions coming in here from those who identified themselves as FRC's are their personal opinions based on their respective experiences with the order

Conversely doubts raised by contributors here are based on their perception of AMORC. Mainly from all they have heard and made to believe.

Truth remains absolute and not relative

If am putting on a red shirt and you are swearing with ur life that am putting on a white shirt can never make my red shirt to be white .

If a child is born in Aghfanistan or Iraq, how do u think he will perceive Christianity as religion? or most people here and their perception of Hinduism practiced in India.

Do we know that the white missionaries accommodated Rosicrucians to be meeting within the church premises when the order was young in Nigeria? Rosicrucians were meeting at a church near Ogbete Enugu before securing a site at PH express, Enugu.

On lack of fraternity among members. that is why the order is not a religion. What members does is his or her own cup of tea. A christian, Muslim, Buddhist, atheist receives the same teachings from the university of life called AMORC. How they understand and apply the gained knowledge is up to them. Man is always at his liberty. ...

On what penticostals say about the Order, does it make the Order not to be the Order. Note that what I say of u and what you are are 2 different things except if am white and u say am white



Spoken like a true philosopher that you are. Well said frater. I always appreciate your point of view. It shows the world that we are individuals with different minds and connected mainly by our degree of elevated thought.



omonnakoda:
You seem to be fascinated with me. Leave me out of it and deal with the ISSUES.I see a pattern here rather than dealing with issues you focus on individuals. I am just an anonymous ID on an internet chat room .You do not need to respond to me direct them to the room and leave me out of it .Just address the issues Mr Freeman raises. I do not have a bias but they certainly demand a response.once again deal with the issues that were raised . I am not interested in you or your biography either.You do not have to direct any response at me. Your remark about being mind controlled is not funny .It is quite idiotic. I found some information in the public domain and put it here. Did I endorse it ? All I am asking for is a response. I adjure you to do that and leave me out of it


Far from being fascinated with you, I am trying to prove a point to you as a person and as a researcher. If Harvard University has a curriculum that someone doesn't like, the person doesn't mete out such indignant skepticism on the student of Harvard but rather on the administration itself. As a student, you pay to be active in AMORC. All I've been saying here are all borne out of my experiences and that of others in the order whom I've come into contact with. I don't represent amorc in anyway. Heck, no one in AMORC administrative cadre even knows me. So you see, your so-called 'Pierrian' "ISSUES" should be addressed appropriately. Personally, I still feel these so called 'issues' are merely a product of an aggrieved man. Aggrieved by the lack of a reality to make his eldorado. I cannot pretend to be Amorc personified and treat issues that only amorc can handle satisfactorily. I am and will only ever be a student on a path being midwifed by AMORC. What I opened this thread to do is to correct MISCONCEPTIONS and ANSWER GENERAL SKEPTICAL QUESTIONS as expected from the average Nigerian. So far, I think I've achieved a lot because this thread will be here for posterity's sake.
Reading between the lines now, if you think I've attacked your person verbally in any way, I appeal to retract such attack. None was meant or premeditated. I also forgive you for some statement you've made about me. We can only ever be humans aspiring to do all good. That said, I hope you take up these fascinating Pierrian issues of yours, which of course I categorically refute, to the right channels. Above all, I wish you peace Profound and thank you for joining me in enlightening others so far and the many more we shall.

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Re: Ask Me Any Question(s) About AMORC And Other Esoteric Organisations In Nigeria by omonnakoda: 6:50am On Apr 18, 2015
literarymathy:


Spoken like a true philosopher that you are. Well said frater. I always appreciate your point of view. It shows the world that we are individuals with different minds and connected mainly by our degree or elevated thought.






Far from being fascinated with you, I am trying to prove a point to you as a person and as a researcher. If Harvard University has a curriculum that someone doesn't like, the person doesn't mate out such indignant skepticism on the student of Harvard but rather on the administration itself. As a student, you pay to me active in AMORC. All I've been saying here are all borne out of my experiences and that of others in the order whom I've come into contact with. I don't represent amorc in anyway. Heck, no one in AMORC administrative cadre even knows me. So you see, you so-called 'Pierrian' "ISSUES" should be addressed appropriately. Personally, I still feel these so called 'issues' are merely a product of an aggrieved man. Aggrieved by the lack of a reality to make his eldorado. I cannot pretend to be Amorc personified and treat issues that other amorc can handle satisfactorily. I am and will only ever be a student of a path being midwifed by AMORC. What I opened this thread to do is to correct MISCONCEPTIONS and ANSWER GENERAL SKEPTICAL QUESTIONS as expected from the average Nigerian. So far, I think I've achieved a lot because this thread will be here for posterity's sake.
Reading between the lines now, if you think I've attacked your person verbally in any way, I appeal to retract such attack. None was meant or premeditated. I also forgive you for some statement you've made about me. We can only ever be humans aspiring to do all good. That said, I hope you take up these fascinating Pierrian issues of yours, which of course I categorically refute, to the right channels. Above all, I wish you peace Profound and thank you for joining me in enlightening others so far and the many more we shall.

You talk too much mostly empty words. Deal with the issues and if you cannot let us leave it
Re: Ask Me Any Question(s) About AMORC And Other Esoteric Organisations In Nigeria by oshie(m): 3:47pm On Apr 18, 2015
omonnakoda:
You talk too much mostly empty words. Deal with the issues and if you cannot let us leave it

No body should blame me cos I laughed again cheesy

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