I'm going to raise two crucial points on this thread.

NWT---New World Translation is the Jehovah's witness version of the Holy Bible.

1. The Usage of Jehovah in the NWT

In the NWT, the Bible of the Jehovah's Witnesses, we read the following:

"Therefore, the foremost feature of this translation is the RESTORATION of the DIVINE NAME to its rightful place in the English text. It has been done, using the commonly ACCEPTED English form "Jehovah" 6,973 times in the Hebrews Scriptures and 237 times in the Christian Greek Scriptures." NWT p. 6 (color, underline, capital & bold-mine)

Why isn't the NWT consistent to use Jehovah every time Lord is found? Their reasonings are as follows:

"By determining where the inspired Christian writers have quoted from the Hebrew Scriptures. [size=14pt]Then he must refer back to the original to locate whether the divine name appears there.[/size] This way he can determine the identity to give to ky'ri.os and the.os' and he can then clothe them with personality. Realizing that this is the time and place for it, we have followed this course in rendering our version of the Christian Greek Scriptures." KIT, pp. 18,19 (color, bold & italic mine--for anywhere they appear)

Jehovah is Not the More Correct Way!

Since one of the outstanding features of the NWT is their abundant usage of the word Jehovah, how can they elsewhere admit that YAHWEH is the more correct way to render God's name?

"While inclining to view the pronunciation [size=14pt]"Yah.weh" as the more correct way,[/size] we have retained the form [size=14pt]"Jehovah" because of people's familiarity with it since the 14th century." Ibid., p. 23

Why then did the NWT forfeit accuracy to use the word Jehovah, which began to be used in the 14th century? [size=14pt]Their answer is because of "...people's familiarity with it..."[/size] That is another way of saying that they have upheld the traditions of man's inventions since the 14th century at the expense of truth and accuracy, which they knew about.

Notice again how many times this was done in the NWT:
"It has been done, using the commonly accepted English form "Jehovah" 6,973 times in the Hebrews Scriptures and 237 times in the Christian Greek Scriptures." NWT p. 6

How can the NWT claim that Jehovah is the restoration of the divine name to its rightful place in the English text, since they openly admit Yahweh is more correct? Shouldn't they rather have stated that knowingly they have omitted the more correct name for God, that is Yahweh, and substituted a different name which began to be used in the 14th century -- Jehovah. Furthermore, how can they claim that God's name Jehovah should be vindicated?

"For many centuries, particularly after the days of Jesus and his apostles, the meaning of the name Jehovah has been lost to sight, and even the very name has been pushed into the background. Only in very recent years has God caused his name to be brought forth again to the light and its meaning to be made known to his faithful servants, [size=14pt]because it is the due time and the vindication of his name Jehovah draws near.[/size] Let none now ignore that name!" The Truth Shall Make You Free, 1943, p. 34

[b]The Usage of Jehovah Came From Catholicism

Yet a different piece of Watchtower literature states the same embarrassing information about the word Jehovah, but elaborates as to its Catholic origin in 1270:

"By combining the vowel signs of 'Adho.nay and 'Elo.him' with the four consonants of the Tetragrammaton the pronunciations Yeho.wah' and Yehowih' were formed. The first of these provided the basis for the Latinized form "Jehova(h)." [size=14pt]The first recorded use of this form dates from the thirteenth century C.E. Raymundus Martini, a Spanish monk of the Dominican Order, used it in his book Pugeo Fidei of the year 1270. Hebrew scholars generally favor "Yahweh" as the most likely pronunciation."[/size] Aid to Bible Understanding, Watchtower Bible And Tract Society, 1971, pp. 884, 885

Please note: Hebrew scholars generally favor "Yahweh" as the most likely pronunciation.

Bruce Metzger, who criticizes the KJV's misusage of Jehovah, gives additional information: (The KJV makes the mistake of using Jehovah at Ex. 6:3; Psa. 83:18; Isa. 12:2 and 26:4)

"The form "Jehovah" is of late medieval origin; it is a combination of the consonants of the Divine Name and the vowels attached to it by the Masoretes but belonging to an entirely different word .... (1) The word "Jehovah" does not accurately represent any form of the Name ever used in Hebrew. (2) The use of any proper name for the one and only God, as though there were other gods from whom the true God had to be distinguished, began to be discontinued in Judaism before the Christian era and is inappropriate for the universal faith of the Christian Church." The New Revised Standard Version Bible, Thomas Nelson Publishers, 1989, To The Reader

Remarkably, the Watchtower has exalted in their own literature the usage of the inaccurate name for God, Jehovah, to a salvation issue:

"Have you been taught to use God's name, Jehovah? If not, your salvation is in jeopardy, for "everyone who calls on the name of Jehovah will be saved"! -- Acts 2:21; compare Joel 2:32. The Watchtower, August 15, 1997, p. 6

So if one takes in accurate knowledge about God's name and uses that accurate knowledge, as opposed to using the name Jehovah, then he will risk his own salvation, that is, if one accepts what the Watchtower Society declares about this.

2. Salvation is Found in Only One Name!

Should a person call on Jehovah for salvation, which no one ever heard of until the 1270, or should he call on a different name? Let's allow the Apostle Paul to answer this for us, as he too refers to Joel 2:32. Paul wrote:

"That if you confess with your mouth, "Jesus is Lord," and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you confess and are saved. As the Scripture says, "Anyone who trusts in him will never be put to shame." For there is no difference between Jew and Gentile ­ the same Lord is Lord of all and richly blesses all who call on him, for, [size=14pt]"Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved"[/size] (Rom. 10:9-13)

In Rom. 10:9-13, Paul explicitly stated: (1) that Jesus is Lord; (2) Jesus richly blesses all who call on him; and (3) that these truths refer back to Joel 2:32 in that same passage where YHWH is found in the Hebrew, but here applies them to Jesus! Either the Apostle Paul is wrong or the Watchtower Society is wrong! They can't both be right, since Paul taught we are to call on JESUS for salvation and the Watchtower, in contradistinction, is teaching we are to call on a hybrid name for God which didn't even exist for 13 centuries - Jehovah! By the way, the NWT is not consistent at Rom. 10:9 with the Greek word by rendering it Jesus, unlike they did at Rev. 4:11, where it is also used and translated Jehovah. If they had been consistent at Rom. 10:9, their NWT would read Jesus is Jehovah, which they would never allow.

Shockingly, the Watchtower Society contradicts their own teaching about Joel 2:32 and Rom. 10:13 and their own NWT in the latter reference where they elsewhere write about the Son:

"There are verses in the Hebrew Scriptures [size=14pt]about Jehovah that are quoted in the "New Testament" in a context speaking about the Son.[/size] (Isa. 40:3--Matt. 3:3--John 1:23; [size=14pt]Joel 2:32--Rom. 10:13;[/size] Ps. 45:6, 7--Heb. 1:8, 9) This is understandable, for Jesus was the Father's foremost representative." The Watchtower, May 1, 1978, p. 12

Ironically, the NWT rendered Rom 10:13 as "Everyone who calls on the name of Jehovah will be saved"

Now to JWs which NAME shall we call on if TRULY Romans 10:13 is about Jesus Christ?



http://www.ovrlnd.com/Cults/NWT.html

Emusan:
I'm going to raise two crucial points on this thread.

NWT---New World Translation is the Jehovah's witness version of the Holy Bible.

1. The Usage of Jehovah in the NWT

In the NWT, the Bible of the Jehovah's Witnesses, we read the following:

"Therefore, the foremost feature of this translation is the RESTORATION of the DIVINE NAME to its rightful place in the English text. It has been done, using the commonly ACCEPTED English form "Jehovah" 6,973 times in the Hebrews Scriptures and 237 times in the Christian Greek Scriptures." NWT p. 6 (color, underline, capital & bold-mine)

Why isn't the NWT consistent to use Jehovah every time Lord is found? Their reasonings are as follows:

"By determining where the inspired Christian writers have quoted from the Hebrew Scriptures. [size=14pt]Then he must refer back to the original to locate whether the divine name appears there.[/size] This way he can determine the identity to give to ky'ri.os and the.os' and he can then clothe them with personality. Realizing that this is the time and place for it, we have followed this course in rendering our version of the Christian Greek Scriptures." KIT, pp. 18,19 (color, bold & italic mine--for anywhere they appear)

Jehovah is Not the More Correct Way!

Since one of the outstanding features of the NWT is their abundant usage of the word Jehovah, how can they elsewhere admit that YAHWEH is the more correct way to render God's name?

"While inclining to view the pronunciation [size=14pt]"Yah.weh" as the more correct way,[/size] we have retained the form [size=14pt]"Jehovah" because of people's familiarity with it since the 14th century." Ibid., p. 23

Why then did the NWT forfeit accuracy to use the word Jehovah, which began to be used in the 14th century? [size=14pt]Their answer is because of "...people's familiarity with it..."[/size] That is another way of saying that they have upheld the traditions of man's inventions since the 14th century at the expense of truth and accuracy, which they knew about.

Notice again how many times this was done in the NWT:
"It has been done, using the commonly accepted English form "Jehovah" 6,973 times in the Hebrews Scriptures and 237 times in the Christian Greek Scriptures." NWT p. 6

How can the NWT claim that Jehovah is the restoration of the divine name to its rightful place in the English text, since they ope

^^

Hebrew "Yeshua" , Greek I-e-sous' , English Jesus , why do we call "Yeshua" with the name JESUS , the acceptable english spelling ?

Emusan:
2. Salvation is Found in Only One Name!

Should a person call on Jehovah for salvation, which no one ever heard of until the 1270, or should he call on a different name? Let's allow the Apostle Paul to answer this for us, as he too refers to Joel 2:32. Paul wrote:

"That if you confess with your mouth, "Jesus is Lord," and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you confess and are saved. As the Scripture says, "Anyone who trusts in him will never be put to shame." For there is no difference between Jew and Gentile ­ the same Lord is Lord of all and richly blesses all who call on him, for, [size=14pt]"Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved"[/size] (Rom. 10:9-13)

In Rom. 10:9-13, Paul explicitly stated: (1) that Jesus is Lord; (2) Jesus richly blesses all who call on him; and (3) that these truths refer back to Joel 2:32 in that same passage where YHWH is found in the Hebrew, but here applies them to Jesus! Either the Apostle Paul is wrong or the Watchtower Society is wrong! They can't both be right, since Paul taught we are to call on JESUS for salvation and the Watchtower, in contradistinction, is teaching we are to call on a hybrid name for God which didn't even exist for 13 centuries - Jehovah! By the way, the NWT is not consistent at Rom. 10:9 with the Greek word by rendering it Jesus, unlike they did at Rev. 4:11, where it is also used and translated Jehovah. If they had been consistent at Rom. 10:9, their NWT would read Jesus is Jehovah, which they would never allow.

Shockingly, the Watchtower Society contradicts their own teaching about Joel 2:32 and Rom. 10:13 and their own NWT in the latter reference where they elsewhere write about the Son:

"There are verses in the Hebrew Scriptures [size=14pt]about Jehovah that are quoted in the "New Testament" in a context speaking about the Son.[/size] (Isa. 40:3--Matt. 3:3--John 1:23; [size=14pt]Joel 2:32--Rom. 10:13;[/size] Ps. 45:6, 7--Heb. 1:8, 9) This is understandable, for Jesus was the Father's foremost representative." The Watchtower, May 1, 1978, p. 12

Ironically, the NWT rendered Rom 10:13 as "Everyone who calls on the name of Jehovah will be saved"

Now to JWs which NAME shall we call on if TRULY Romans 10:13 is about Jesus Christ?



Http://www.ovrlnd.com/Cults/NWT.html

^ ^
Examination of Joel 2:32
PURE FABRICATION

" everyone who calls on the name of the LORD will be saved" ! - Joel 2:32 ( God name replaced )

HEBREW MANUSCRIPT
" And everyone who calls on the name of Jehovah will be saved" - Joel 2:32
{ God name retained}

Roman 10:13 is a direct quotation of the hebrew scriptures Joel 2:32 where the name of Jehovah clearly appeared in the hebrew manuscipt NOT the fabricated Lord!

further analysis:
Jehovah is called Lord , Jesus is also called Lord ....... Does that mean they are same person or equal? NO, Jehovah God is Lord over all, OR are u not aware that it was Jehovah God who "made Jesus Lord and Christ" out of loving kindness ( Act 2:32, phil 2:9 ) ?

God's name was first with Hebrew speaking people.
In Hebrew God's name is:

Yhovah

Pronounced:

yeh-ho-vaw

For much of the rest of the world God's name has been translated from YHOVAH to:

JEHOVAH, if my memory is correct by the Germans.

If YHWH is correct it would seem to be more accurately translated as:

YAHWEH

But YHOVAH is from YHVH.

I wonder why jw nwt changed even the Hebrew theonym (4 letters)?

CAPTIVATOR:

^^Hebrew "Yeshua" , Greek I-e-sous' , English Jesus , why do we call "Yeshua" with the name JESUS , the acceptable english spelling ?

Don't attack strawman here Mr man. You just prove what the OP was saying ""While inclining to view the pronunciation [size=14pt]"Yah.weh" as the more correct way,[/size] we have retained the form "Jehovah" because of people's familiarity with it since the 14th century."

So JWs agree that Yahweh is THE MORE CORRECT pronunciation but they decided to CHOSE the one FORMULATED after 12th century than the more corrected one, how absurd is that?

johnw74:
God's name was first with Hebrew speaking people.
In Hebrew God's name is:

Yhovah

Pronounced:

yeh-ho-vaw

For much of the rest of the world God's name has been translated from YHOVAH to:

JEHOVAH, if my memory is correct by the Germans.

If YHWH is correct it would seem to be more accurately translated as:

YAHWEH

But YHOVAH is from YHVH.

I wonder why jw nwt changed even the Hebrew theonym (4 letters)?

We are not disputing about this but the Hebrew scholars say Yahweh is MORE CORRECT in pronunciation than Jehovah which Jehovah's Witness know about and agree with.

The question now is why will Jehovah's witness chose Jehovah rather than Yahweh?
Of which the origin of Jehovah is from a Catholic monk.

CAPTIVATOR:

^ ^
Examination of Joel 2:32
PURE FABRICATION

"everyone who calls on the name of the LORD will be saved" ! - Joel 2:32 ( God name replaced )

HEBREW MANUSCRIPT
" And everyone who calls on the name of Jehovah will be saved" - Joel 2:32
{ God name retained}

Roman 10:13 is a direct quotation of the hebrew scriptures Joel 2:32 where the name of Jehovah clearly appeared in the Hebrew manuscript NOT the fabricated Lord!

further analysis:
Jehovah is called Lord , Jesus is also called Lord ....... Does that mean they are same person or equal? NO, Jehovah God is Lord over all, OR are u not aware that it was Jehovah God who "made Jesus Lord and Christ" out of loving kindness ( Act 2:32, phil 2:9 ) ?

Your case is pathetic, who says Rom 10:13 is not the direct quotation of Joel 2:32?

Mind you the importance of this is that Jehovah's witness say "There are verses in the [size=14pt]Hebrew Scriptures about Jehovah that are quoted in the "New Testament" in a context speaking about the Son.[/size] (Isa. 40:3--Matt. 3:3--John 1:23; [size=14pt]Joel 2:32--Rom. 10:13[/size]; Ps. 45:6, 7--Heb. 1:8, 9) This is understandable, for Jesus was the Father's foremost representative." The Watchtower, May 1, 1978, p. 12

So if Rom 10:13 is a quotation from Joel 2:32 and speaks about the Son that means Rom 10:13 is talking about Jesus Christ [b]but NEWT rendered it as "And everyone who calls on the name of Jehovah will be saved"

So what Jehovah's witness trying to say here is that Jesus is Jehovah.

Emusan:


Your case is pathetic, who says Rom 10:13 is not the direct quotation of Joel 2:32?

Mind you the importance of this is that Jehovah's witness say "There are verses in the [size=14pt]Hebrew Scriptures about Jehovah that are quoted in the "New Testament" in a context speaking about the Son.[/size] (Isa. 40:3--Matt. 3:3--John 1:23; [size=14pt]Joel 2:32--Rom. 10:13[/size]; Ps. 45:6, 7--Heb. 1:8, 9) This is understandable, for Jesus was the Father's foremost representative." The Watchtower, May 1, 1978, p. 12

So if Rom 10:13 is a quotation from Joel 2:32 and speaks about the Son that means Rom 10:13 is talking about Jesus Christ [b]but NEWT rendered it as "And everyone who calls on the name of Jehovah will be saved"

So what Jehovah's witness trying to say here is that Jesus is Jehovah.

U fail to understand that our salvation depends on two persons : - the ONLY True God _ JEHOVAH and the One whom he sent - Jesus John 17:3 The context of romans 10 speaks about the son but VERSE 13 mentions the name of Jehovah our Father in heaven WHOSE NAME must also be sanctified' matt 6:9 Jesus is the son of God NOT Jehovah God himself. Haba " who among the sons of God is like Jehovah ? " Psalm 89:6

Emusan:


We are not disputing about this but the Hebrew scholars say Yahweh is MORE CORRECT in pronunciation than Jehovah which Jehovah's Witness know about and agree with.

The question now is why will Jehovah's witness chose Jehovah rather than Yahweh?
Of which the origin of Jehovah is from a Catholic monk.

If the four letter name for God, YHWH is correct,
then YAHWEH would seem the proper full name.

Emusan:


Don't attack strawman here Mr man. You just prove what the OP was saying ""While inclining to view the pronunciation [size=14pt]"Yah.weh" as the more correct way,[/size] we have retained the form "Jehovah" because of people's familiarity with it since the 14th century."

So JWs agree that Yahweh is THE MORE CORRECT pronunciation but they decided to CHOSE the one FORMULATED after 12th century than the more corrected one, how absurd is that?

The same reason why you and I adopt JESUS over the more CORRECT pronounciation " Yehoshua" .

Language differences .

CAPTIVATOR:
[size=14pt]U fail to understand that our salvation depends on two persons:[/size] - the ONLY True God _ JEHOVAH - the One whom he sent - Jesus John 17:3

I'm not surprise since you've been deceived beyond measure.

[size=14pt]The context of romans 10 speaks about the son but VERSE 13 mentions the name of Jehovah![/size]

This is where we're going, now that you agree that the context of Romans 10 is about THE SON which name should we call on for us to be saved?

Remember there's no name under heaven given among men to be saved apart from the name Jesus.

Thats our Father in heaven WHOSE NAME must also be sanctified' matt 6:9 [/b] Jesus is the son of God NOT Jehovah himself. Haba " who among the sons of God is like Jehovah ? " Psalm 89:6

You said the name of the Father must be SANCTIFIED not that WE SHOULD CALL on the name TO BE SAVED.

There's different between them, so don't derail this thread stick to the OP.

johnw74:
If the four letter name for God, YHWH is correct,
then YAHWEH would seem the proper full name.

Yeah, that's the essence of this thread as it against the usage of Jehovah by Jehovah's witness after they knew that Yahweh is the more correct one but chose Jehovah simply because "...because of people's familiarity with it.

I wonder how Raymundus Martini, a Spanish monk who formulated this name 'Jehovah' won't be among the 'little flocks' or the 'holy ones' but only JWs who chooses to use the name.

CAPTIVATOR:
The same reason why you and I adopt JESUS over the more CORRECT pronounciation " Yehoshua" .

Language differences.

For your information we are not talking about Language difference here.

Jehovah is formulated by Raymundus Martini, a Spanish monk Catholicism whereas Yahweh is closed to original form of YHWH.

Jesus on the other hand is like Yahweh because is very closed to original form of Yeshua-Hebrew, I-e-sous-Greek, Latin-Iesus according to:

"The Oxford English Dictionary on Historical Principles (Oxford: The Clarendon Press, 1933), tells us that the word Jesus came into the English language from Middle English, adapted from the Latin Iesus, which in turn was adapted from the Greek Iesous. This in turn was adapted from the Hebrew or Aramaic word Yeshua or Yehoshua. The earlier root was Joshua. This dictionary goes on to explain that the word Joshua derived from the Jah of Jahveh, meaning that “Jehovah is salvation.” [size=14pt]Thus, the word “Jesus” has parallel meaning with Savior.[/size] Dr. David Flusser of the Hebrew University of Jerusalem puts it simply: [size=14pt]“Jesus is the common Greek form of the Hebrew name Joshua.”[/size] (Encyclopedia Judaica, Jerusalem: Keter Publishing House, Ltd., 1971, 10:10.) https://www.lds.org/general-conference/1984/04/jesus-the-christ-the-words-and-their-meaning?lang=eng

Now compare this with Jehovah [size=14pt]"The form "Jehovah" is of late medieval origin; it is a combination of the consonants of the Divine Name and the vowels attached to it by the Masoretes but belonging to an entirely different word .... (1) The word "Jehovah" does not accurately represent any form of the Name ever used in Hebrew.[/size] (2) The use of any proper name for the one and only God, as though there were other gods from whom the true God had to be distinguished, began to be discontinued in Judaism before the Christian era and is inappropriate for the universal faith of the Christian Church."---The New Revised Standard Version Bible, Thomas Nelson Publishers, 1989, To The Reader

So Jehovah isn't in any form closed to pronunciation the DIVINE NAME even your watchtower recognized this that's why they can say "...Hebrew scholars generally favor "Yahweh" as the most likely pronunciation." Aid to Bible Understanding, Watchtower Bible And Tract Society, 1971, pp. 884, 885

You have to agree that you're not truly using the right name of God.

hmmmm! Am so Following

Emusan:


For your information we are not talking about Language difference here.

Jehovah is formulated by Raymundus Martini, a Spanish monk Catholicism whereas Yahweh is closed to original form of YHWH.

Jesus on the other hand is like Yahweh because is very closed to original form of Yeshua-Hebrew, I-e-sous-Greek, Latin-Iesus according to:

"The Oxford English Dictionary on Historical Principles (Oxford: The Clarendon Press, 1933), tells us that the word Jesus came into the English language from Middle English, adapted from the Latin Iesus, which in turn was adapted from the Greek Iesous. This in turn was adapted from the Hebrew or Aramaic word Yeshua or Yehoshua. The earlier root was Joshua. This dictionary goes on to explain that the word Joshua derived from the Jah of Jahveh, meaning that “Jehovah is salvation.” [size=14pt]Thus, the word “Jesus” has parallel meaning with Savior.[/size] Dr. David Flusser of the Hebrew University of Jerusalem puts it simply: [size=14pt]“Jesus is the common Greek form of the Hebrew name Joshua.”[/size] (Encyclopedia Judaica, Jerusalem: Keter Publishing House, Ltd., 1971, 10:10.) https://www.lds.org/general-conference/1984/04/jesus-the-christ-the-words-and-their-meaning?lang=eng

Now compare this with Jehovah [size=14pt]"The form "Jehovah" is of late medieval origin; it is a combination of the consonants of the Divine Name and the vowels attached to it by the Masoretes but belonging to an entirely different word .... (1) The word "Jehovah" does not accurately represent any form of the Name ever used in Hebrew.[/size] (2) The use of any proper name for the one and only God, as though there were other gods from whom the true God had to be distinguished, began to be discontinued in Judaism before the Christian era and is inappropriate for the universal faith of the Christian Church."---The New Revised Standard Version Bible, Thomas Nelson Publishers, 1989, To The Reader

So Jehovah isn't in any form closed to pronunciation the DIVINE NAME even your watchtower recognized this that's why they can say "...Hebrew scholars generally favor "Yahweh" as the most likely pronunciation." Aid to Bible Understanding, Watchtower Bible And Tract Society, 1971, pp. 884, 885

You have to agree that you're not truly using the right name of God.

ALL this copy and paste wont help u

Even with that, U still agree Yeshua = Joshua ! "Y " and "J"

Yehosua = Jesus ! "J" subtituted for " Y" again.

And u said Jesus means " Jehovah is salvation" which clearly reveal u also use Jehovah. Yet creating unnecessary argument here and there . ( even the protestant KJV of yours, retained Jehovah ( Exodus 6:3, psalm 83:18, ASV and some other versions too)

Let me ask you "Is it JESUS that appear in the sriptures or greek Iesous" ? Since Iesous is parallel to Yehoshua , why form JESUS and not retain Yehoshua ?

Emusan:


I'm not surprise since you've been deceived beyond measure.



This is where we're going, now that you agree that the context of Romans 10 is about THE SON which name should we call on for us to be saved?

Remember there's no name under heaven given among men to be saved apart from the name Jesus.



You said the name of the Father must be SANCTIFIED not that WE SHOULD CALL on the name TO BE SAVED.

There's different between them, so don't derail this thread stick to the OP.

FOREMOST ... Scripture reveal that we must call on the Name Of Jehovah ( Joel 2:32; quoted by Peter in Act 2:21 ; and repeated in Rom 10:13) .

MOREOVER, JEHOVAH GOD has out of KINDNESS and reward for Jesus obedience to him, given his son Jesus a name above every other name UNDER the heavens in order for us to be saved , ( Act 4:12, Phil 2:9 ) ! To the glory of God , The Father ( Act 4:12, Phi 2:9).

In view of the above scriptures, TRUE CHRISTIANS CALL ON THE NAME OF JEHOVAH and the name of his son , Jesus ! Thereby exercising faith in both , aftrall Jesus said : " exercise Faith In God , also exercise faith in me" John 14:1 .

Our Salvation Depends On Those Two Persons ( John 17:3)

CAPTIVATOR:
ALL this copy and paste wont help u

Yet you can pick from it.

Even with that, U still agree Yeshua = Joshua ! "Y " and "J"
Yehosua = Jesus ! "J" subtituted for " Y" again.

Adam means Man...does the A needs to be appeared again?
In translation what the translators are looking for is parallel or equivalent word.

And u said Jesus means " Jehovah is salvation" which clearly reveal u also use Jehovah. Yet creating unnecessary argument here and there . ( even the protestant KJV of yours, retained Jehovah ( Exodus 6:3, psalm 83:18, ASV and some other versions too)

Of course Jehovah is being used today but the point here is the claim that JWs made "While inclining to view the pronunciation [size=14pt]"Yah.weh" as the more correct way, we have retained the form "Jehovah..."[/size]

This is where the problem lies the purpose of using Jehovah in NWT is "Therefore, the foremost feature of this translation is [size=14pt]the RESTORATION of the DIVINE NAME to its rightful place in the English text..."[/size]

Now if JWs truly want to RESTORE the DIVINE NAME and as well knew that YAHWEH is more correct in pronunciation than Jehovah why can't they hold to the truth of using YAHWEH so that people will know they truly mean what they claimed? But they went and used Jehovah just because "...people's familiarity with it" yet they want to restore the DIVINE NAME of God.

Let me ask you "Is it JESUS that appear in the sriptures or greek Iesous" ? Since Iesous is parallel to Yehoshua , why form JESUS and not retain Yehoshua ?

Keep your head up man...from what I posted from that link we read "...Thus, the word “Jesus” has parallel meaning with Savior...and “Jesus is the common Greek form of the Hebrew name Joshua." So NT was written in Greek and Jesus is a Greek form of Iesous. That's why no Scholar agree that the Hebrew name YHWH ever appeared in the Greek manuscripts which JWs have inserted into their own version.

Translation is based on equivalent/parallel word because no word you can find in its original language with another language.

You can go back to the OP to see where I said the usage of Jehovah in KJV have been criticized by Bruce Metzger whose JWs always quote his work.

CAPTIVATOR:
FOREMOST ...Scripture reveal that we must call on the Name Of Jehovah ( Joel 2:32; quoted by Peter in Act 2:21 ; and repeated in Rom 10:13).

You're wrong Joel is a prophecy that people will call on the name of God.

But you agree that the context of Romans is SPEAKING ABOUT THE SON which means it's the SON that we will now call upon which is just another way of saying Jesus is Jehovah according to that verse.

MOREOVER, JEHOVAH GOD has out of KINDNESS and reward for Jesus obedience to him, given his son Jesus a name above every other name UNDER the heavens in order for us to be saved , ( Act 4:12, Phil 2:9 ) ! To the glory of God , The Father ( Act 4:12, Phi 2:9).

The word 'OTHER' doesn't appear in that verse it was translators insertion.
So the name will are given to call UPON IS JESUS CHRIST, do you call on this name as the early Christians do?

In view of the above scriptures, TRUE CHRISTIANS [size=14pt]CALL ON[/size] THE NAME OF JEHOVAH [size=14pt]and the name of his son, Jesus![/size] Thereby exercising faith in both , aftrall Jesus said : " exercise Faith In God , also exercise faith in me" John 14:1.

You've shot yourself in the leg @bolded, so if true Christians CALL ON THE NAME OF THE SON, Jesus! which is true according to the scriptures why your organization says we are not to pray to Jesus?

Maybe you will tell us that CALL ON THE NAME OF JESUS IS NOT THE SAME AS PRAYING TO HIM, then I will ask what does it mean when people CALL ON THE NAME OF JEHOVAH?

Our Salvation Depends On Those Two Persons ( John 17:3)

If this is true, have you called on THE NAME OF THE SON as early Christians did for you to be saved?

See the logic behind Romans 10:13;
*Everyone will call on the name of Jehovah Joel 2:32
*The WHOLE CONTEXT OF Romans 10 is ABOUT THE SON in reference to Joel 2:32
*Then, The Son is the one WHO EVERYONE will CALL ON.

See people trying to discredit others in their attempt to restore Gods name. Instead of lambasting others who delibrately replaced the name.
Jesus wanted people to know that name and unless u tell me that the name "jehovah " is false, then I dnt see the need for ur posts .
Even other bible translations are trying more and more in restoring that name into their translation , or are u saying they are wrong to do so?

ROM 10:9 makes mention of two persons . You will be saved if you do two things (1) confess with ur mouth that jesus is lord(first person) and (2)believe in ur heart that God(second person raised that jesus up from the dead.

ROM 10:10 talks about those two things we must do to be saved and gives further explanation on them . Believing is not enough, one has to declare his faith .

ROM 10:11 says "for the scriptures says " (which scriptures? Definitely the old testaments right?read isa 28:16 )those that believe jehovah in their heart would not be disapointed

ROM 10:12 tells us jesus is lord of all. These paul got to understand after his trip to damascus.

ROM 10:13 is a direct quotation of part of Joel 2:32 and the name jehovah exist in the part quoted and two other times in that verse. Some versions changed it to lord there and in ROM 10:13. These the nwt has restored, like wise some other translations too.

What we learn : believe in ur heart in jehovah and have faith in him and then confess that jesus is the means through which he has arranged our salvation (john 17:3)

Further explanation : Joel in verse 27 of chapter 2 talks about jehovahs promise. he then tells us of a future event in which jehovah pours out his spirit on his servants . This was fufilled and confirmed by peter in acts 2:16 . He made us to understand that Joel said it and it was fufilled that day.
All the things Joel said in those quoted verses made mention of the name jehovah , why then do we follow Satan in removing that name when those verses where quoted by jesus disciples. Even to the extent of removing such name from the old testament.

Emusan ... Laughter , creating unnecessary argument since 1600 B.C. E

What paralleslism is their in the pronounciation and spealling of Iesous and Yehoshua ?

Does the fact that Iesous differ in spelling and pronounciation from Yehoshua stop greek scriptures from usin the greek form " Iesous" ?

Why dont u just say Yir- meya'hu and stop saying Jeremiah ?

Why dont you just say Yesha - ya'hu and stop using the common english form Isaiah ?

Just continue Dreaming !

If you have not learn anything from the beginning of this thread I'm sorry you can't again.

dolphinheart:
See people trying to discredit others in their attempt to restore Gods name. Instead of lambasting others who delibrately replaced the name.

Your attempt now is to liberate the name Jehovah which has been explained here that the Name JEHOVAH was from by a Catholic Monk 12 centuries ago.
Whereas YAHWEH is more correct in PRONUNCIATION than Jehovah.
Please will the Catholic monk who formed this name 'Jehovah' among the Little flocks or the Holy one?

Jesus wanted people to know that name and unless u tell me that the name "jehovah " is false,

The name JEHOVAH is not the more ACCURATE way of pronouncing the DIVINE NAME of God which Jehovah witness know themselves but they chose the inaccurate name formed by Raymundus Martini, a Spanish monk.

then I dnt see the need for ur posts.

The need for this post is that, JWs claimed to RESTORE THE DIVINE NAME of God in the English text after they OPENLY AGREE THAT [size=14pt]"Yah.weh" as the more correct way...and Hebrew scholars generally favor "Yahweh" as the most likely pronunciation."[/size] for this DIVINE NAME yet they can go ahead to use Jehovah the name that doesn't have any form in the Hebrew just because [size=14pt]"...people's familiarity with it"[/size]

Then have they restore the DIVINE NAME?

Even other bible translations are trying more and more in restoring that name into their translation , or are u saying they are wrong to do so?

You're right that's why people use YAHWEH nowadays than to use Jehovah.
But you must also know that YHWH/Yahweh never appeared in any Greek manuscripts in possession today, so I wonder how NWT inserted that name in the Greek NT.

CANTICLES:
Emusan ... Laughter , creating unnecessary argument since 1600 B.C. E

You never contribute anything big in your life than to be praising your mate underground

What paralleslism is their in the pronounciation and spealling of Iesous and Yehoshua ?

Does the fact that Iesous differ in spelling and pronounciation from Yehoshua stop greek scriptures from usin the greek form " Iesous" ?

Why dont u just say Yir- meya'hu and stop saying Jeremiah ?

Why dont you just say Yesha - ya'hu and stop using the common english form Isaiah ?

Was the name JEHOVAH FORMED BY Raymundus Martini, a Spanish monk?

If yes, does the name have any form in Hebrew?

Beside will Raymundus Martini, a Spanish monk Catholicism be among the little flocks or holy one that will make it to heaven?

Just continue Dreaming!

As you have been doing always.

[s]

Emusan:


You never contribute anything big in your life than to be praising your mate underground



Was the name JEHOVAH FORMED BY Raymundus Martini, a Spanish monk?

If yes, does the name have any form in Hebrew?

Beside will Raymundus Martini, a Spanish monk Catholicism be among the little flocks or holy one that will make it to heaven?



As you have been doing always.

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Baseless words .... I know you cannot reply any of those 4 questions !

Unless you can prove that that name is false/fake. Then leave them to use it.
If the name is true, then dnt fight it and stop castigating a group of people for trying to use a true name with the defense that one is better than the other. Instead fight with those who have tried to remove this name from the bible , a name jesus wanted us to know

Emusan:


Your case is pathetic, who says Rom 10:13 is not the direct quotation of Joel 2:32?

Mind you the importance of this is that Jehovah's witness say "There are verses in the [size=14pt][b]Hebrew Scriptures about Jehovah that are quoted in the "New Testament" in a context speaking about the Son.[/size] (Isa. 40:3--Matt. 3:3--John 1:23; [size=14pt]Joel 2:32--Rom. 10:13[/size]; Ps. 45:6, 7--Heb. 1:8, 9) This is understandable, for Jesus was the Father's foremost representative." The Watchtower, May 1, 1978, p. 12

So if Rom 10:13 is a quotation from Joel 2:32 and speaks about the Son that means Rom 10:13 is talking about Jesus Christ but NEWT rendered it as "And everyone who calls on the name of Jehovah will be saved"

So what Jehovah's witness trying to say here is that Jesus is Jehovah.

NO! JW is not saying that Jesus is Jehovah.

@bold section above, they are saying Jesus came as Jehovah's representative, that is in "Jehovah's name" or his behalf.

John 5:43 "I have come in my Father's name and you do not receive me,if another comes in his own name, him you will receive"

Illustration: Do you introduce An official representative of the president by the rep's personal name or the name of the person (president) he represents?

CANTICLES:
Baseless words .... I know you cannot reply any of those 4 questions!

Lol...is like you're serious.

What paralleslism is their in the pronounciation and spealling of Iesous and Yehoshua?

No parallelism but they have the same meaning.

Does the fact that Iesous differ in spelling and pronounciation from Yehoshua stop greek scriptures from using the greek form " Iesous"?

This is baseless, Greek is different from Hebrew Just as Hausa is different from Yoruba but you can find equivalent word in two languages but having the same meaning. So if you're expecting the same PARALLEL and SPELLING word in the two Languages then you mean the two Languages should be the same.

Why dont u just say Yir- meya'hu and stop saying Jeremiah ?

Why dont you just say Yesha - ya'hu and stop using the common english form Isaiah?

English equivalent of Yir-meya'hu is Jeremiah likewise Yesha-ya'hu is Isaiah so if I'm speaking English I use English equivalent words if I'm speaking Hebrew I use Hebrew words.

So tell me, when JWs agree that YAh.Weh is the most correct pronunciation and went ahead to use Jehovah after they claimed to RESTORE THE DIVINE NAME, do they do the right thing?

MAybe you can help your brothers answer this question Please will the Catholic monk-Raymundus Martini, a Spanish who formed this name 'Jehovah' be among the Little flocks or the Holy one?

Emusan:


Yet you can pick from it.



Adam means Man...does the A needs to be appeared again?
In translation what the translators are looking for is parallel or equivalent word.



Of course Jehovah is being used today but the point here is the claim that JWs made "While inclining to view the pronunciation [size=14pt]"Yah.weh" as the more correct way, we have retained the form "Jehovah..."[/size]

This is where the problem lies the purpose of using Jehovah in NWT is "Therefore, the foremost feature of this translation is [size=14pt]the RESTORATION of the DIVINE NAME to its rightful place in the English text..."[/size]

Now if JWs truly want to RESTORE the DIVINE NAME and as well knew that YAHWEH is more correct in pronunciation than Jehovah why can't they hold to the truth of using YAHWEH so that people will know they truly mean what they claimed? But they went and used Jehovah just because "...people's familiarity with it" yet they want to restore the DIVINE NAME of God.



Keep your head up man...from what I posted from that link we read "...Thus, the word “Jesus” has parallel meaning with Savior...and “Jesus is the common Greek form of the Hebrew name Joshua." So NT was written in Greek and Jesus is a Greek form of Iesous. That's why no Scholar agree that the Hebrew name YHWH ever appeared in the Greek manuscripts which JWs have inserted into their own version.

Translation is based on equivalent/parallel word because no word you can find in its original language with another language.

You can go back to the OP to see where I said the usage of Jehovah in KJV have been criticized by Bruce Metzger whose JWs always quote his work.

If you think that "Jehovah" is not a "Biblical
name" and therefore should not be used
that would mean that a host of other names
in the Old Testament as we find in all Bible
translations, including the Cathlolic
Jerusalem Bible, should also not be used.
This would include Isaiah, Jeremiah, Jehu,
Jehoash, and many more.

If you believe that These names are the original "Biblical
Names," then you are grossly mistaken.
TO ALL :

"Those who reject the English
"Jehovah" and insist on using the
Hebrew pronunciation[Yahweh] would
do well to ask themselves why they
say "Jesus Christ," when that was not
the way his name was pronounced in
Hebrew. That is the English way,
derived from the Greek language. In
Hebrew, Jesus would be closer to
"Yehshua" and Christ would be
"Mash'edahh." So, as we say "Jesus
Christ" in the English language, we
also say "Jehovah," both being correct
when speaking English."

Emusan:


We are not disputing about this but the Hebrew scholars say Yahweh is MORE CORRECT in pronunciation than Jehovah which Jehovah's Witness know about and agree with.

The question now is why will Jehovah's witness chose Jehovah rather than Yahweh?
Of which the origin of Jehovah is from a Catholic monk.

YHVH SHOULD BE YAHVEH BUT PRONOUNCED AS YAHWEH.
THERE IS NO J CONSONANT IN HEBREW LANGUAGE AND GREEK LANGUAGE. VAV CONSONANT IS PRONOUNCED AS WAW .
YOUR WRITE UP IS VERY CORRECT. WHAT JEHOVAH'S WITNESS DON'T KNOW IS THAT IN NEW TESTAMENT , GOD IS NOT REVEALED BY THE NAME YAHVEH TO US BUT BY THE NAME JESUS WHICH IS YAHVEH IS MY SAVIOR THAT IS WHY THE APOSTLES NEVER FOR ONCE USED THE NAME YAHVEH.

acts 4:12
NEITHER IS THERE SALVATION IN ANY OTHER : FOR THERE IS NONE OTHER NAME UNDER HEAVEN GIVEN AMONG MEN WHEREBY WE MUST BE SAVED.

The name that saves under the heavens is JESUS NOT YAHVEH.

THAT IS WHY ON ROMANS 10:9 YOU QUOTED THE NAME WE CONFESS WITH OUR MOUTH IS JESUS IS LORD

CAPTIVATOR:
If you think that "Jehovah" is not a "Biblical name" and therefore should not be used that would mean that a host of other names in the Old Testament as we find in all Bible translations, including the Cathlolic Jerusalem Bible, should also not be used. This would include Isaiah, Jeremiah, Jehu, Jehoash, and many more.

I can see your gross misunderstanding of this thread.
Get this now:

JEHOVAH was translated from a word FORMULATED by a Catholic monk-Raymundus Martini in Latin which Hebrew scholars agree that the WORD never has any FORM IN HEBREW which Watchtower Society knew about with this statement from them ""While inclining to view the pronunciation [size=14pt]"Yah.weh" as the more correct way, we have retained the form "Jehovah..."[/size]

Which means JWs knew that 'Jehovah' is not the more correct name BUT DELIBERATELY used Jehovah just because "...people's familiarity with it" yet they claim to have RESTORE the DIVINE NAME to its rightful place in the English text. It has been done, using the commonly ACCEPTED English form "Jehovah"

Now if JWs claimed to restore the DIVINE NAME of God and they knew that Yahweh is more close to YHWH and choose to use Jehovah just because people's familiarity with it, have they restored the DIVINE NAME?

If you believe that These names are the original "Biblical Names," then you are grossly mistaken. TO ALL :

"Those who reject the English "Jehovah" and insist on using the Hebrew pronunciation[Yahweh] would do well to ask themselves why they say "Jesus Christ," when that was not the way his name was pronounced in Hebrew. That is the English way, derived from the Greek language. In Hebrew, Jesus would be closer to "Yehshua" and Christ would be "Mash'edahh." So, as we say "Jesus Christ" in the English language, we also say "Jehovah," both being correct when speaking English."

The problem you are overlooking is the ORIGIN of the word Jehovah, the word that Jehovah was translated into English was formed by a Catholic monk-Raymundus Martini which in noway having any form in any word ever used in Hebrew.

Can you get it now?

So the purpose of this thread on point one is the claim of JWs "Therefore, the foremost feature of this translation is the RESTORATION of the DIVINE NAME to its rightful place in the English text..." claiming to RESTORE the DIVINE NAME and deliberately used Jehovah after they knew "Yah.weh" as the more correct way..." proved that they have not restore anything and they are using wrong name which they also put their SALVATION.

So should we call on Jehovah for our salvation or other name? This leads us to the second point on this thread.

RikoduoSennin:


NO! JW is not saying that Jesus is Jehovah.

@bold section above, they are saying Jesus came as Jehovah's representative, that is in "Jehovah's name" or his behalf.

John 5:43 "I have come in my Father's name and you do not receive me,if another comes in his own name, him you will receive"

Illustration: Do you introduce An official representative of the president by the rep's personal name or the name of the person (president) he represents?

Please don't take us to square one.

Look at what your organization says here:
1. "There are verses in the Hebrew Scriptures about Jehovah: which means Jehovah is the one function in those verse.
2. that are quoted in the "New Testament": Why will the NT writers quote them? the answer is given also.
3. in a context speaking about the Son: So the reason why the NT writers quoted them is because IT'S NOW THE SON THAT IS FUNCTIONING IN THOSE VERSE.

With that understood, so let's look at the context of both Joel and Romans
Joel is talking about Jehovah as "And everyone who calls on the name of Jehovah will be saved" Joel 2:32 which means this act will be giving to Jehovah;
Now Apostles Paul and Peter quoted this same verse in NT and as will can see that whenever NT writers quoted the OT that is talking about Jehovah IT'S THE SON THAT IS FUNCTIONING so when Rom. 10:13 says "And everyone who calls on the name of the LORD will be saved"

It's evident that the Son is the one everyone will call on here, with this JWs have committed two major error;

1. By wrongly inserted the word JEHOVAH into that verse which by analysis we can then infer that Jesus is Jehovah.
2. By saying that we can't call on Jesus Christ when the scriptures says "everyone will call on Him to be saved" which is what the very Apostles did in their own time.

Since you've read from your own Watchtower that we can call on Jesus Christ which is the truth about Romans 10:13 & Acts 4:12 and what the very early Apostles & Church did as we read here "Unto the church of God which is at Corinth, to them that are sanctified in Christ Jesus, called to be saints, [size=14pt]with all that in every place call upon the name of Jesus Christ our Lord,[/size] both theirs and ours: 1 Corin 1:2 KJV. Won't you start calling on His NAME?

Emusan:


I can see your gross misunderstanding of this thread.
Get this now:

JEHOVAH was translated from a word FORMULATED by a Catholic monk-Raymundus Martini in Latin which Hebrew scholars agree that the WORD never has any FORM IN HEBREW which Watchtower Society knew about with this statement from them ""While inclining to view the pronunciation [size=14pt]"Yah.weh" as the more correct way, we have retained the form "Jehovah..."[/size]

Which means JWs knew that 'Jehovah' is not the more correct name BUT DELIBERATELY used Jehovah just because "...people's familiarity with it" yet they claim to have RESTORE the DIVINE NAME to its rightful place in the English text. It has been done, using the commonly ACCEPTED English form "Jehovah"

Now if JWs claimed to restore the DIVINE NAME of God and they knew that Yahweh is more close to YHWH and choose to use Jehovah just because people's familiarity with it, have they restored the DIVINE NAME?



The problem you are overlooking is the ORIGIN of the word Jehovah, the word that Jehovah was translated into English was formed by a Catholic monk-Raymundus Martini which in noway having any form in any word ever used in Hebrew.

Can you get it now?

So the purpose of this thread on point one is the claim of JWs "Therefore, the foremost feature of this translation is the RESTORATION of the DIVINE NAME to its rightful place in the English text..." claiming to RESTORE the DIVINE NAME and deliberately used Jehovah after they knew "Yah.weh" as the more correct way..." proved that they have not restore anything and they are using wrong name which they also put their SALVATION.

So should we call on Jehovah for our salvation or other name? This leads us to the second point on this thread.

Let me educate you, Yahweh itself is not the corect pronounciation and spelling ! The original pronounciation has been lost . THAT ENOUGH RENDER UR ARGUMENT BASELESS


Sorry to dissapoint you about the Origin, that spanish monk never EVER pronounce the name "Jehovah" , he only used a word from which it was derived

While hebrw scholars admit "Yahweh" to be close to original hebrew language, All language are not the same. An english man parallelism is "Jehovah" .... While a Cantonese man wil say " Yehwowah" , Someone of Awabakal origin will say " Yehoa" , An Italian Will Say " Geova" ! So also a Japanese will say " Ehoba" .

While reading Japanese and such ones pronounce " Ehoba" and not Yahweh .... Does it mean he is wrong ? Who even know how they pronounce and spell Isaiah in their language ?

I dont know when u will start understanding this simple truth