9inches:
I'm not complaining, I am pointing out the obvious. Martin Luther formulated his doctrine of protestantism (which is unbiblical) in 1517.

9inches:

Christ is the head of which Church? Which Church is that in today's world; is it the one formulated in 1517 or the one Peter and the apostles communed in?

9inches:

I see no semblance with the Church of St. Peter, the Catholic Church.

9inches:

So, what's your point here? What do you call the man that gave birth to you?

9inches:

I'm not complaining, I am pointing out the obvious. Martin Luther formulated his doctrine of protestantism (which is unbiblical) in 1517.


Christ is the head of which Church? Which Church is that in today's world; is it the one formulated in 1517 or the one Peter and the apostles communed in?


I see no semblance with the Church of St. Peter, the Catholic Church.


So, what's your point here? What do you call the man that gave birth to you?

brocab:

Not complaining, and this is all you have done about Martin Luther, complained. You call it unbiblical because Martin left the Catholic Church, because Martin Luther did not allow himself to be caught up with other doctrines that does not belong to Christ. God called Martin Luther out from among them, to teach Martin Luther the written Word of God; and you call this unbiblical? I also call the Catholic Church unbiblical, because you and I know, your Church is mixed with paganism and you don't follow the commandments of God alone, Peter and Paul were murdered by Emperor Nero, because Peter and Paul denied paganism and taught the truth about God.

brocab:
You are asking what Church-Christ is the head of the Church, which is the body of people in Christ, a people in righteousness serving God.
And yet your Church is made of brick and mortar-the idolising Church-that were, it had, and still, is leading people in the millions to Hell, Jesus said: you neither go in yourselves nor will you let anybody else enter into the kingdom of God.
{Matthew 23:1-12} Then Jesus spoke to the multitudes and to His disciples, saying: “The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses’ seat.
{Are not the Jewish laws of Moses still practiced today, do you believe in circumcision, every male Child is circumcised before the Catholic Church, Don't you understand the Church is the body of people-and it's the body that is righteous enough to serve God This is the Church Christ had built within the hearts of the believers-Peter and the apostles communed in, and to my own knowledge Martin Luther had also seen the light in Christ.}

brocab:
The Catholic Church makes tradition above or equal to Scripture, but in actuality many of its traditions actually stem from pagan sun worship, Its teachings, beliefs and practices come from Mithraism—a form of paganism that existed in Babylonian times.
These pagan practices are symbols of apostasy against God. Of this, the Twentieth Century Encyclopedia of Catholicism says the following:
The missionary history of the [Catholic] Church clearly shows her adaptability to all races, all continents, all nations.
In her liturgy and her art, in her tradition and the forming of her doctrine, naturally enough she includes Jewish elements, but also elements that are of pagan origin. In certain respects, she has copied her organization from that of the Roman Empire, has preserved and made fruitful the philosophical intuitions of Socrates, Plato and Aristotle, borrowed from both Barbarians and the Byzantine Roman Empire—but always remains herself, thoroughly digesting all elements drawn from external sources...
In her laws, her ceremonies, her festivals and her devotions, she makes use of local customs after purifying them and "baptizing" them.

brocab:
I call him dad..Firstly my dad didn't give me birth, he needed help from my Ma, and it was she that became pregnant, not my dad. Did not your mama poppa teach you these things?

9inches:


Is that the answer to my request below?

9inches:

You are contradicting yourself over and over again. You condemn the Catholic Church, and then you talk about Peter and Paul who was its first leader (now called Pope).

The Catholic Church is the same Church of the Apostles. Don't blame God for separating Martin Luther from the Church He founded and handed over to His apostles and gave them authority to take charge of it. Jesus warned against schism.


I admire how you wish you know Catholic teachings. I'm laughing.

This is even funnier. Is there any place you can show in the bible that says the man that gave birth to you is called your "dad"?

brocab:
I was trying to help the blind cross the road-and on the way I was trying to help the blind man find all truth in Christ-you won't find the truth in Christ-if you keep on walking in the dark refusing Him..
Cry out unto the Lord and repent, and try asking God for answers, if you are sincere to believe, He will come to you..Seek and you will find, knock and it will be open.
He came to Martin Luther, and He taught Martin Luther the Word of God, Martin Luther then visited the Pope, to show the Pope what God had given to Martin Luther, of cause the Pope refused, fearing for his own life, because the Catholic Church had been practicing paganism for centuries, and if the Catholic Church lied against the truth, the Pope feared there will be an uproar against the Church, and if the people knew the Catholic Church is a lie from the beginning, they feared the people may turn to Christ.
God called Martin Luther out of the Catholic Church, I couldn't comprehend, how difficult it will be, if the world laid themselves down before the Catholic Church..
But God being a righteous God, found men walking in the faith, men with great courage, men that searched and studied the scriptures, men who fell in love with the Most High God Jesus Christ, men that risked their own lives, for the safely of God's people, from the Latin Language, they had interpreted the scriptures, in different languages all over the world.
History tells us, the Catholic Church ordered the priest to persecute them with horrible deaths, torched them and burned them alive, it was the Catholic Church who had denied Christ-using Christ as a symbol, to teach the tradition of men.
And this was from the past-now we are into the future-thru the New World Order is coming-and Pope Francis had requested all religions to join with the one World religion to unite once again-again the world will bow down at their feet of the Catholic Church. And we that deny them, will suffer persecution-expect a horrible death. Look at the Pharisee who had one foot in paganism, and the other foot in God, done to Jesus?

9inches:


Calling people out of the Church can only be the devil's handwork. God don't call people out of his Church.

brocab:
You are mistaken, God calls them out of Church, {2 Corinthians 6:16-17} What agreement can exist between the temple of God and idols? For we are the temple of the living God. As God has said: “I will live with them and walk among them, and I will be their God, and they will be My people.” “Therefore come out from among them and be separate, says the Lord. Touch no unclean thing, and I will receive you.”
This description is the Catholic Church and what does the Catholic Church have, is people bowing down to idol's..And on top of all that, you idolise your Church, more than you have anything to do with Christ..
And plus any Church that is not preaching the Word of God, God takes them out, why fellowship in a Church that isn't feeding you the Word of God..
Martin Luther didn't know God while he was in fellowship within the Catholic Church-Martin began to know God after Martin had left the Church. And if God doesn't call the people out from among the Church then explain why then is there so many different denominations.

brocab:
Firstly you don't call your father, father, you call this to a priest who is a stranger-knowing the Word of God say's not to call anybody father.
And I am truly not blaming God for taking Martin Luther out from the unbiblical Catholic Church, I am glorifying God.
And you should be laughing, because everything we need to find out about the Catholic Church-it's spread across the nations about history that tells the hidden truth. Child molesting is not laughable, but the Catholic's practice it among you..
I don't care, if Dad isn't good enough for you? It suited my dad, and he liked being called dad, it is respect in my country, and it is a common name throughout the land, Is calling a stranger father so common that you don't care if God is against it, haven't you any fear in God?
Since you like laughing, allow me to change the subject a little, now this is funny-the Catholic's call a stranger father, the men in black-and what is really funny you actually bow down before these earthly fathers and ask them to forgive your sins?
Jesus said we must forgive each other, only if your brother sins against you, but you believe a earthly father has the power to forgive all sins; even thru it isn't against the priest-and you have no beef with the priest, you actually believe a stranger can forgive sins?
Have you not read the scriptures? This is what it say's, {Matthew 18:15} "If your brother or sister sins, go and point out their fault, just between the two of you. If they listen to you, you have won them over.
This doesn't say a priest have the rights to forgive sins, a priest can't forgive sins that are not against him personally.
If you had any decency, go to your brother who sinned against you, or visa versa-and talk it out between you both, forgive each other, and sleep that night-knowing when you awake you have no beef with him/her any longer. Do as the Lord had told you to do 'hypocrite.. .
And if I were to search the net about the strangers and the funniest practices within the Catholic Church, I will find them..
And could you show me where God said: call no man father?

9inches:

You are contradicting yourself over and over again. You condemn the Catholic Church, and then you talk about Peter and Paul who was its first leader (now called Pope).

The Catholic Church is the same Church of the Apostles. Don't blame God for separating Martin Luther from the Church He founded and handed over to His apostles and gave them authority to take charge of it. Jesus warned against schism.

Is there any place you can show in the bible that says the man that gave birth to you is called your "dad"?

9inches:


Same reply below applies again.

brocab:
You are mistaken, God calls them out of Church, {2 Corinthians 6:16-17} What agreement can exist between the temple of God and idols? For we are the temple of the living God. As God has said: “I will live with them and walk among them, and I will be their God, and they will be My people.” “Therefore come out from among them and be separate, says the Lord. Touch no unclean thing, and I will receive you.”
This description is the Catholic Church and what does the Catholic Church have, is people bowing down to idol's..And on top of all that, you idolise your Church, more than you have anything to do with Christ..
And plus any Church that is not preaching the Word of God, God takes them out, why fellowship in a Church that isn't feeding you the Word of God..
Martin Luther didn't know God while he was in fellowship within the Catholic Church-Martin began to know God after Martin had left the Church. And if God doesn't call the people out from among the Church then explain why then is there so many different denominations.

9inches:


There's only one Church with Christ as its head- same Church which Peter headed. Any separation from that Church is a separation from the body of Christ. If you separate yourself from the only Body of Christ,you become Martin Luther.

brocab:
Maybe if you were to find any truth, maybe this time ask God directly for the answers.

brocab:
Now this is funny-"Please explain" which Church building are you preferring too?

9inches:


No, I'm not mistaken. You're the one mistaken here because you are conflating separation from idols in 2 Corinthians 6:16-17 with separation from the Body of Christ in 1 Corinthians 12:25-27. I admire your scriptural expertise

9inches:


What "building" are you talking about?

9inches:

God has already provided you the answers but you are being blind or willfully ignorant. If you are fully sensible, you should have been questioning the foundation of your (Lutheran)

brocab:
{1 Corinthians 12:25-27} That there should be no schism in the body, but that the members should have the same care for one another. And if one member suffers, all the members suffer with it; or if one member is honored, all the members rejoice with it.
And if members bow down to idol's, and all the members bow down to idol's, then it separates them from the Body of Christ.
And Christ is not in them..
I admire your scriptural expertise...

9inches:

God has already provided you the answers but you are being blind or willfully ignorant. If you are fully sensible, you should have been questioning the foundation of your (Lutheran) belief by now and not argue what you don't know but think you know.

brocab:
The Church you believe Christ built?

9inches:


You made my point. Martin Luther committed schism!

9inches:

Have I said anything about Christ "building" a Church? Do you think Christ "built" a Church??

brocab:
Listen" I said: Maybe if you were to find any truth, maybe this time ask God directly for the answers.
Plus I know well enough to pray straight into the throne room of God. for any answers.
In your case you seek a priest, to give you the answers you need, thru shall bow down to idol's, thru shall pray to the Mother of God, Queen of Heaven, and the problem is, the bible never mentions it.
Maybe you should be explaining who gave you these teachings to pray to Mary and the Saints, and bow down to idol's. Because the apostles didn't teach these..

9inches:


I observed you know nothing about what you are even arguing about, both Catholicism and protestantism. I will encourage you to go and read up and then come back. It's for your own good.

1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_Church

2. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protestantism

brocab:
And God never mentioned about the Catholic Church, in word, in speech, or in letter.

brocab:
What you do one of the very least you are doing it to God. History tells us it was the Catholic Church that tried to destroy Christianity..This is the very reason why the Catholic Church refuses Christ, everything Christ had commanded, the Catholic Church refuses to practices them..

brocab:
The Church of Christ is not the Catholic Church believers, Jesus said: those who keep all His commandments belong to Him.
And yes God is building His Church, He modes His Church Just to be like Him, He shapes us, disciplines us, He teaches us the Word of God.
God fellowships with us, God loves us, of those who obey His every command. Where do you fit into all this?

brocab:
You see this as an argument only because the truth is sharing at you, and there's nothing you can do about it.
I just can't wait until you, caste the first stone..
Maybe you should be studying the scriptures for your own good. Because your Church can not save you, only Christ can save you.

9inches:


You made no argument here. i don't think you know much about the Christ you are talking about or His teachings.

brocab:
Jesus said: by their fruit we will know them, you have no fruit..Catholic's are born into the Catholic Church, saved into the Catholic Church, you were not saved in Christ, you know deep within you are not growing in Christ, you don't know Christ-but you talk about the Church claiming it belongs to Christ-but History had claimed the Catholic Church had tried to destroy Christianity, then how could Christ be the author of the Catholic Church, you swear by, that murdered men and women that carried His commandments across the nations, baptising them in the name of the Father the Son and the Holy Spirit, these men like the apostles were murdered by the Roman Catholic Church.
By Popes and Emperors that tried to destroy the body of Christ. And you claim the Catholic Church belongs to Christ, are you insane?
And as time passes by, today, we know Christ is coming for His Church, and in one accord we will come together and worship the One true God, Jesus Christ our Lord. Christ is talking about the believers, I don't see any thing that prefers to the Catholic Church.

9inches:


Hopefully you will study and learn about Christ and join His Church by the time He comes.

9inches:


I observed you know nothing about what you are even arguing about, both Catholicism and protestantism. I will encourage you to go and read up and then come back. It's for your own good.

1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_Church

2. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protestantism