okotv:
I tell you. Things are getting worse. My pastor calls it the mystery of sin.

Na real mystery of sin

bukatyne:


Na real mystery of sin

To be truthful. I want Christ to come very soon. I can't stand these false doctrines flying about. I am an advocate for Strong families but when I see what the marriage situation is looking like, I feel sad for my unborn kids. I will do my best sha.

Dheartless:

TV01 what say you to this?

in response to the last mention directed at me.
if we refer to the bible in total, we will build many contradictions, so it is better we stick to verses in relation to the topic.

in addition to silvofitz post
some version of bible used word like
*unfaithfulness
* immorality
instead of fornication,
-we know a wife can be unfaithful in more than one way.
-we know "immorality" doesn't specify sexual immortality ( and we know all sexual immorality are not just sleeping with another man other than a husband)

There are no contradictions in the Bible. Formulating policy or doctrine on the basis of 1 verse is always going to be problematic.

What does unfaithfulness cover apart from sexual fidelity? You make it sound wide-ranging, hence subject to interpretation, and therefore pretty much a divorce charter. I don't agree and have heard nothing to change my original position.

Silvofitz:
Point 3. Irreconcilable differences that could endager the lives of the couple mean sharp differences that could provoke assaults, or even, arsons, dangerous acts that could lead to the death of the couple. This is what Jesus referred to as the hardness of their hearts in Matthew 19 : 8. If the disagreement is so sharp that could lead to death, Moses okayed divorce.

I don't agree with this - at least not in this form. It's too subjective. In any event, separation should be considered first and if it does result in divorce, it still precludes marriage.

kelechiMarie:
I think apostle paul also wrote that you can divorce an unbelieving spouse. Correct me if i'm wrong,thanks

Apostle Paul said almost the exact opposite, "one is not to leave a disbelieving spouse if they are willing to stay". It touches on the unbelieving spouses salvation and sanctification of any children.

What he did say is "if an unbelieving spouse departs, one is not under bondage". That is the possible exception I referred to in my initial post.


TV

okotv:
To be truthful. I want Christ to come very soon. I can't stand these false doctrines flying about. I am an advocate for Strong families but when I see what the marriage situation is looking like, I feel sad for my unborn kids. I will do my best sha.

There will always be strong families around.

Look for a wife who shares your belief system or If you believe in soul mates or destined spouses, the one destined for you.

bukatyne:


There will always be strong families around.

Look for a wife who shares your belief system or If you believe in soul mates or destined spouses, the one destined for you.

I believe in soul mates or destined spouses.

okotv:
I believe in soul mates or destined spouses.

Simple

Pray for the one God destined for you

bukatyne:

Simple
Pray for the one God destined for you

I will start from next year. Project must be completed first.

okotv:
I will start from next year. Project must be completed first.

Never too early to start.

bukatyne:


Never too early to start.

I am still very young. You might not believe my age if I tell you.

okotv:
I am still very young. You might not believe my age if I tell you.

20? 19?

bukatyne:

20? 19?

one of them.

okotv:
one of them.

lols

Your mates have given birth to 3

I tell that to my kid sister when she is misbehaving

Done with school, that's Good; was done by 21.

You are not too young to Pray joor. My hubby started praying in his teens and met me @ 21

You sound very mature for your age

bukatyne:
lols

Your mates have given birth to 3

I tell that to my kid sister when she is misbehaving

Done with school, that's Good; was done by 21.

You are not too young to Pray joor. My hubby started praying in his teens and met me @ 21

You sound very mature for your age

lol...

my mates who are responsible won't father three kids at my age.

Not done with school yet, a long way to go. PhD things.
I know am not too young that's why I fixed it for next year. Prayerful hubby who knows what he wants and got it. No time to whine.

Mature ke...I still act childish at times and I pick up things easily.

okotv:
lol...

my mates who are responsible won't father three kids at my age.

Not done with school yet, a long way to go. PhD things.
I know am not too young that's why I fixed it for next year. Prayerful hubby who knows what he wants and got it. No time to whine.

Mature ke...I still act childish at times and I pick up things easily.

PhD?

That's really Good.

Give yourself Some credit joor... How many of your mates are bothered with stuffs you discuss?

When you get sincere compliments, take them and try to improve on them.

That's What makes us human: 50yrs old people still behave childish sometimes.

Hubby knew What he wanted and went for it. When I was saying no, told his elders who were praying with him till yes came

Good news!
Weda you agree or disagree, DIE-VORCE is here to stay!

bukatyne:


PhD?

That's really Good.

Give yourself Some credit joor... How many of your mates are bothered with stuffs you discuss?

When you get sincere compliments, take them and try to improve on them.

That's What makes us human: 50yrs old people still behave childish sometimes.

Hubby knew What he wanted and went for it. When I was saying no, told his elders who were praying with him till yes came

Well, I have always been inquisitive. Infact my monicker was borne out of that.

PhD before 30 is the aim, the fact that the youngest Nigerian with a PhD is a member of my district is the major factor or pushing force.

How did you know hubby was the man ?

Dheartless:

TV01 what say you to this?

in response to the last mention directed at me.
if we refer to the bible in total, we will build many contradictions, so it is better we stick to verses in relation to the topic.

in addition to silvofitz post
some version of bible used word like
*unfaithfulness
* immorality
instead of fornication,
-we know a wife can be unfaithful in more than one way.
-we know "immorality" doesn't specify sexual immortality ( and we know all sexual immorality are not just sleeping with another man other than a husband)

If immorality doesn't specify sexual immorality alone what else could it mean
#PEACE

TV01:


What you are saying above is once divorce happens, both parties are "scripturally" free to re-marry. This is a charter for serial marriages. It belies what scripture clearly teaches about marriage being for life.

And I believe - I stand to be corrected - that it may only have been men that could put away wives then, not vice-versa. Read the scriptures in total. My position is the sum total of everything I can find.


TV

This is it
AWESOME
MORE GRACE UPON YOU SIR

The hypocrisy of Nigerians makes me laugh. God hates divorce , adultery, fornication, lying, stealing and others yet it's only divorce Nigerians make noise about. You will see adulterers and fornicators telling a divorcee how God hates divorce. If Nigerians stayed away from everything God hates the Country won't be a mess. Nigerians are just hypocrites who choose to focus on whatever suits them and ignore what doesnt

Theophinio:

This is it
AWESOME
MORE GRACE UPON YOU SIR

Gracias- much appreciated. I'd been meaning to say more on this issue, so instead of opening a thread - lazy me - I'll just post it here...let me know your thoughts.

[size=14pt]…it is better not to marry[/size]

Matthew 19:10 (NKJV)
10 His disciples said to Him, “If such is the case of the man with his wife, it is better not to marry

I believe the bible, and I also believe the bible makes it clear that God instituted marriage for the flourishing and well-being of mankind.

From a purely Christian perspective, marriage has a number of imperatives and serves a number of purposes. I do however believe that God recognises all formally enacted marriages.

The bible makes the law of marriage very clear – it’s until death do part. One may well separate from, or “divorce” their spouse, but re-marriage, whilst ones original spouse is still alive, is adultery. And how will one not consider remarriage- whilst the former spouse is alive - a state, as opposed to an act of sin/adultery?

God hates divorce. Who has the nerve to freely counsel what God hates - divorce - and more specifically, what marriage law forbids – remarriage whilst the original spouse is still alive?

So even if you can conjure up reasons for divorce – and to be clear, I don’t believe the bible really states any for a consummated marriage – remarriage remains out of the question whilst the former spouse is still alive.

Hence, I am always happy to advise people not to marry, or counsel on enhancing their unions, but I will never advise divorce. That is not within anyone’s remit – “What God has joined together...”.

Hence the best remedy for dysfunctional unions, is not to campaign for divorce – it’s at root - to ensure that marriage is properly understood, embraced and committed to in the first instance.

By campaigning for divorce as a remedy, marriage as a whole is weakened and not held in the right reverence, entered into incorrectly, and divorce multiplies the more.

Conjuring up nebulous or woolly reasons for divorce, or not first counselling serious and consistent efforts at healing and restoration, are unbiblical and wrong whatever you believe. Talk of “moving on”, especially where it implies remarriage, is sin, if your spouse is still alive.

Marriage is an archetype of Gods relationship with Israel, of Christ’ love for His church. You cannot leave or forsake your spouse. If you genuinely believe you are in danger, remove yourself from the situation, but you cannot dissolve the union.

If your spouse is genuinely repentant, you are to forgive, and keep on giving them opportunity to repent. If they are not, or you cannot, even if you separate, you cannot divorce, and you cannot re-marry while they are still alive.

Advocates, campaigners and mongers for divorce will answer, as will those who commit the offence. If you did it ignorantly, then repentance is available. But if you refuse to accept it as sin, then your sin remains – and you are clearly saying divorce can happen repeatedly.


TV

Ngoziada592:
The hypocrisy of Nigerians makes me laugh. God hates divorce , adultery, fornication, lying, stealing and others yet it's only divorce Nigerians make noise about. You will see adulterers and fornicators telling a divorcee how God hates divorce. If Nigerians stayed away from everything God hates the Country won't be a mess. Nigerians are just hypocrites who choose to focus on whatever suits them and ignore what doesnt

Why are you in my head woman?

Was gonna type an epistle on that, but you saved me from that

TV01:

Gracias- much appreciated. I'd been meaning to say more on this issue, so instead of opening a thread - lazy me - I'll just post it here...let me know your thoughts.

[size=14pt]…it is better not to marry[/size]

Matthew 19:10 (NKJV)
10 His disciples said to Him, “If such is the case of the man with his wife, it is better not to marry

I believe the bible, and I also believe the bible makes it clear that God instituted marriage for the flourishing and well-being of mankind.

From a purely Christian perspective, marriage has a number of imperatives and serves a number of purposes. I do however believe that God recognises all formally enacted marriages.

The bible makes the law of marriage very clear – it’s until death do part. One may well separate from, or “divorce” their spouse, but re-marriage, whilst ones original spouse is still alive, is adultery. And how will one not consider remarriage- whilst the former spouse is alive - a state, as opposed to an act of sin/adultery?

God hates divorce. Who has the nerve to freely counsel what God hates - divorce - and more specifically, what marriage law forbids – remarriage whilst the original spouse is still alive?

So even if you can conjure up reasons for divorce – and to be clear, I don’t believe the bible really states any for a consummated marriage – remarriage remains out of the question whilst the former spouse is still alive.

Hence, I am always happy to advise people not to marry, or counsel on enhancing their unions, but I will never advise divorce. That is not within anyone’s remit – “What God has joined together...”.

Hence the best remedy for dysfunctional unions, is not to campaign for divorce – it’s at root - to ensure that marriage is properly understood, embraced and committed to in the first instance.

By campaigning for divorce as a remedy, marriage as a whole is weakened and not held in the right reverence, entered into incorrectly, and divorce multiplies the more.

Conjuring up nebulous or woolly reasons for divorce, or not first counselling serious and consistent efforts at healing and restoration, are unbiblical and wrong whatever you believe. Talk of “moving on”, especially where it implies remarriage, is sin, if your spouse is still alive.

Marriage is an archetype of Gods relationship with Israel, of Christ’ love for His church. You cannot leave or forsake your spouse. If you genuinely believe you are in danger, remove yourself from the situation, but you cannot dissolve the union.

If your spouse is genuinely repentant, you are to forgive, and keep on giving them opportunity to repent. If they are not, or you cannot, even if you separate, you cannot divorce, and you cannot re-marry while they are still alive.

Advocates, campaigners and mongers for divorce will answer, as will those who commit the offence. If you did it ignorantly, then repentance is available. But if you refuse to accept it as sin, then your sin remains – and you are clearly saying divorce can happen repeatedly.


TV

PERFECT
If every minister of the Gospel could speak this way, am sure multitude contemplating divorce would have a rethink.
In summary
Divorce is not of God, get it straight into your mind.
The only situation whereby you are permitted to remarry according to God Almighty is when your spouse is no more alive.
#PEACE