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Does Muslims Have Father?? by malvisguy212: 9:34am On Jun 12, 2015
As I’ve studied the spiritual power
behind Islam and wondered how this
spiritual power influenced Muhammad’s theology, a well known difference between Islam’s god and Christianity’s God kept coming to mind. That difference is that Islam’s god is never described or known as "Father", but in both Christianity and Judaism, God is known as Father.
I thought about this not just from a mere doctrinal point of view, (anyone familiar with basic Islam knows that it has no concept of God as Father), but rather from a spiritual and relational point of view. I realized something about Muhammad’s relationship: the spiritual power behind Islam never gave
Muhammad the intimate love that a
father gives his son . That is why
Muhammad NEVER called that spiritual
power "father". He simply did not know it that way. The relationship between
Muhammad and his god was one of a
slave to his master, with obedience,
rather than love, being the primary
impulse. Below is how Muhammad
described this relationship.

Narrated 'Umar:
I heard the Prophet saying, "Do not
exaggerate in praising me as the
Christians praised the son of Mary,
for I am only a Slave. So, call me the
Slave of Allah and His Apostle." [1]

(NOTE 1: Muhammad did talk about
loving Allah, and about Allah’s love. But
Allah’s love is predicated upon the
Muslim’s performance and obedience,
not on their relationship. More on that
later.)
(NOTE 2: I know the word "Allah" means
God in Arabic and that Arabic Christians
use the word "Allah" for God. However,
when I use the word, "Allah", I am
specifically referring to the god of Islam).

Sura 5:18
And (both) the Jews and the
Christians say: "We are the children
of Allah and His loved ones." Say:
"Why then does He punish you for
your sins?" Nay, you are but human
beings, of those He has created, He
forgives whom He wills and He
punishes whom He wills. And to Allah
belongs the dominion of the heavens
and the earth and all that is between
them, and to Him is the return (of all).


You can see from the Quranic verse above that Muhammad refused to accept Christians and Jews as God’s children because He disciplined them. However, both the Old and New Testaments Bible teach that a loving father disciplines his children.

Hebrews 12:7-11
Endure hardship as discipline; God is
treating you as sons. For what son is
not disciplined by his father? If you
are not disciplined (and everyone
undergoes discipline), then you are
illegitimate children and not true
sons. Moreover, we have all had
human fathers who disciplined us
and we respected them for it. How
much more should we submit to the
Father of our spirits and live! Our
fathers disciplined us for a little while
as they thought best; but God
disciplines us for our good, that we
may share in his holiness. No
discipline seems pleasant at the time,
but painful. Later on, however, it
produces a harvest of righteousness
and peace for those who have been
trained by it.
Re: Does Muslims Have Father?? by Nobody: 9:44am On Jun 12, 2015
All I see in this post from your use of 'god' and 'God' is all DISCRIMINATION and nothing more. Get used to the fact that different humans around different areas of the world have different conceptions about the one true Almighty God and so build their religions around their own understanding. God is too mysterious and infinite to be well known by only one particular religion.
Get used to it and stop trying to stir up differences and intensified hatred.

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Re: Does Muslims Have Father?? by malvisguy212: 9:51am On Jun 12, 2015
ikenigel:
All I see in this post from your use of 'god' and 'God' is all DISCRIMINATION and nothing more. Get used to the fact that different humans around different areas of the world have different conceptions about the one true Almighty God and so build their religions around their own understanding. God is too mysterious and infinite to be well known by only one particular religion.
Get used to it and stop trying to stir up differences and intensified hatred.
what you are trying to say is this: the universe is too big to have been created by one God. Anyway we are not talking about the uses of the name God/Allah, No, we are talking about the relationship of God to his creatures.
Re: Does Muslims Have Father?? by Nobody: 10:56am On Jun 12, 2015
malvisguy212:
As I’ve studied the spiritual power
behind Islam and wondered how this
spiritual power influenced Muhammad’s theology, a well known difference between Islam’s god and Christianity’s God kept coming to mind. That difference is that Islam’s god is never described or known as "Father", but in both Christianity and Judaism, God is known as Father.
I thought about this not just from a mere doctrinal point of view, (anyone familiar with basic Islam knows that it has no concept of God as Father), but rather from a spiritual and relational point of view. I realized something about Muhammad’s relationship: the spiritual power behind Islam never gave
Muhammad the intimate love that a
father gives his son . That is why
Muhammad NEVER called that spiritual
power "father". He simply did not know it that way. The relationship between
Muhammad and his god was one of a
slave to his master, with obedience,
rather than love, being the primary
impulse. Below is how Muhammad
described this relationship.

Narrated 'Umar:
I heard the Prophet saying, "Do not
exaggerate in praising me as the
Christians praised the son of Mary,
for I am only a Slave. So, call me the
Slave of Allah and His Apostle." [1]

(NOTE 1: Muhammad did talk about
loving Allah, and about Allah’s love. But
Allah’s love is predicated upon the
Muslim’s performance and obedience,
not on their relationship. More on that
later.)
(NOTE 2: I know the word "Allah" means
God in Arabic and that Arabic Christians
use the word "Allah" for God. However,
when I use the word, "Allah", I am
specifically referring to the god of Islam).

Sura 5:18
And (both) the Jews and the
Christians say: "We are the children
of Allah and His loved ones." Say:
"Why then does He punish you for
your sins?" Nay, you are but human
beings, of those He has created, He
forgives whom He wills and He
punishes whom He wills. And to Allah
belongs the dominion of the heavens
and the earth and all that is between
them, and to Him is the return (of all).


You can see from the Quranic verse above that Muhammad refused to accept Christians and Jews as God’s children because He disciplined them. However, both the Old and New Testaments Bible teach that a loving father disciplines his children.

Hebrews 12:7-11
Endure hardship as discipline; God is
treating you as sons. For what son is
not disciplined by his father? If you
are not disciplined (and everyone
undergoes discipline), then you are
illegitimate children and not true
sons. Moreover, we have all had
human fathers who disciplined us
and we respected them for it. How
much more should we submit to the
Father of our spirits and live! Our
fathers disciplined us for a little while
as they thought best; but God
disciplines us for our good, that we
may share in his holiness. No
discipline seems pleasant at the time,
but painful. Later on, however, it
produces a harvest of righteousness
and peace for those who have been
trained by it.
nonsense so love is by name calling,your father that will cook his children in an oven for eternity.
Re: Does Muslims Have Father?? by malvisguy212: 11:03am On Jun 12, 2015
crusadistic:
nonsense so love is by name calling,your father that will cook his children in an oven for eternity.
read the op very well when you rest.
Re: Does Muslims Have Father?? by malvisguy212: 5:40pm On Jun 12, 2015
malvisguy212:
As I’ve studied the spiritual power
behind Islam and wondered how this
spiritual power influenced Muhammad’s theology, a well known difference between Islam’s god and Christianity’s God kept coming to mind. That difference is that Islam’s god is never described or known as "Father", but in both Christianity and Judaism, God is known as Father.
I thought about this not just from a mere doctrinal point of view, (anyone familiar with basic Islam knows that it has no concept of God as Father), but rather from a spiritual and relational point of view. I realized something about Muhammad’s relationship: the spiritual power behind Islam never gave
Muhammad the intimate love that a
father gives his son . That is why
Muhammad NEVER called that spiritual
power "father". He simply did not know it that way. The relationship between
Muhammad and his god was one of a
slave to his master, with obedience,
rather than love, being the primary
impulse. Below is how Muhammad
described this relationship.

Narrated 'Umar:
I heard the Prophet saying, "Do not
exaggerate in praising me as the
Christians praised the son of Mary,
for I am only a Slave. So, call me the
Slave of Allah and His Apostle." [1]

(NOTE 1: Muhammad did talk about
loving Allah, and about Allah’s love. But
Allah’s love is predicated upon the
Muslim’s performance and obedience,
not on their relationship. More on that
later.)
(NOTE 2: I know the word "Allah" means
God in Arabic and that Arabic Christians
use the word "Allah" for God. However,
when I use the word, "Allah", I am
specifically referring to the god of Islam).

Sura 5:18
And (both) the Jews and the
Christians say: "We are the children
of Allah and His loved ones." Say:
"Why then does He punish you for
your sins?" Nay, you are but human
beings, of those He has created, He
forgives whom He wills and He
punishes whom He wills. And to Allah
belongs the dominion of the heavens
and the earth and all that is between
them, and to Him is the return (of all).


You can see from the Quranic verse above that Muhammad refused to accept Christians and Jews as God’s children because He disciplined them. However, both the Old and New Testaments Bible teach that a loving father disciplines his children.

Hebrews 12:7-11
Endure hardship as discipline; God is
treating you as sons. For what son is
not disciplined by his father? If you
are not disciplined (and everyone
undergoes discipline), then you are
illegitimate children and not true
sons. Moreover, we have all had
human fathers who disciplined us
and we respected them for it. How
much more should we submit to the
Father of our spirits and live! Our
fathers disciplined us for a little while
as they thought best; but God
disciplines us for our good, that we
may share in his holiness. No
discipline seems pleasant at the time,
but painful. Later on, however, it
produces a harvest of righteousness
and peace for those who have been
trained by it.
Re: Does Muslims Have Father?? by Demmzy15(m): 11:12pm On Jun 12, 2015
malvisguy212:
.
Trash!!! Better do yourself a favour by deactivating your account like how Truthman2012Lie-lieman2012 would do soon!!!
Re: Does Muslims Have Father?? by malvisguy212: 5:28am On Jun 13, 2015
Demmzy15:

Trash!!! Better do yourself a favour by deactivating your account like how Truthman2012Lie-lieman2012 would do soon!!!
falsified my claimed nah,!!
Re: Does Muslims Have Father?? by Beesluv: 6:38am On Jun 13, 2015
Rhetorical question!!! Adam and Hauwa nko
Re: Does Muslims Have Father?? by malvisguy212: 8:31am On Jun 13, 2015
Beesluv:
Rhetorical question!!! Adam and Hauwa nko
did the quran give details on how Eve was even created? I want to see.
Re: Does Muslims Have Father?? by Beesluv: 10:28am On Jun 13, 2015
malvisguy212:
did the quran give details on how Eve was even created? I want to see.
Kilopa iya ijebu
Re: Does Muslims Have Father?? by Demmzy15(m): 12:20pm On Jun 13, 2015
malvisguy212:
falsified my claimed nah,!!
O boy go school o! grin

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Re: Does Muslims Have Father?? by mustymatic(m): 12:42pm On Jun 13, 2015
[quote author=malvisguy212 post=34703390][/quote]
God is incomparable, self-sustaining and neither begets nor was begotten; Islam is the complete and universal version of a primordial faith that has been revealed before through many prophets including Abraham , Moses , Ishmael and Jesus ; that these previous messages and revelations may have been partially changed or corrupted over time and the Qur'an is the final unaltered revelation from God (The Final Testament).

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Re: Does Muslims Have Father?? by Hiswordxray(m): 1:33pm On Jun 13, 2015
crusadistic:
nonsense so love is by name calling,your father that will cook his children in an oven for eternity.
Yes a wonderful Father who would cook in an eternal oven, anything that will cause harm to His children. Such a loving Father indeed.

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Re: Does Muslims Have Father?? by parisbookaddict(f): 5:21pm On Jun 13, 2015
Demmzy15:

Trash!!! Better do yourself a favour by deactivating your account like how Truthman2012Lie-lieman2012 would do soon!!!

If your islamic allah is so vengeful and retaliates as it is contained in your quran why does he not deactivate truthmans ifeanns true2god etc accounts...is it because he is dead and buried in medina. ?
Re: Does Muslims Have Father?? by Demmzy15(m): 5:38pm On Jun 13, 2015
parisbookaddict:


If your islamic allah is so vengeful and retaliates as it is contained in your quran why does he not deactivate truthmans ifeanns true2god etc accounts...is it because he is dead and buried in medina. ?

So finally your cage is open, my GOD has nothing to do with 'Nairaland' because he's beyond anything human. He's far above u, but your 'god' on the other hand was a human being who was beaten by his creatures and he fainted!!! grin Can you beat that, maybe your 'god' is on Nairaland sha! grin

*In Incredible Hulk's voice*
"Stupid god" angry
Re: Does Muslims Have Father?? by parisbookaddict(f): 5:41pm On Jun 13, 2015
Demmzy15:

So finally your cage is open, my GOD has nothing to do with 'Nairaland' because he's beyond anything human. He's far above u, but your 'god' on the other hand was a human being who was beaten by his creatures and he fainted!!! grin Can you beat that, maybe your 'god' is on Nairaland sha! grin

*In Incredible Hulk's voice*
"Stupid god" angry

Empiree a noted muslim on nairaland once claimed that ur islamic allah deleted malvisguy212' s post/comment..

So apparently ur islamic allah works as one of seuns moderators
Re: Does Muslims Have Father?? by Demmzy15(m): 5:47pm On Jun 13, 2015
parisbookaddict:


Empiree a noted muslim on nairaland once claimed that ur islamic allah deleted malvisguy212' s post/comment..

So apparently ur islamic allah works as one of seuns moderators
Ayaf sha told you my own. Bunch of losers!!! grin
Re: Does Muslims Have Father?? by parisbookaddict(f): 5:53pm On Jun 13, 2015
Demmzy15:

Ayaf sha told you my own. Bunch of losers!!! grin

Muslims always throwing insults. .
Re: Does Muslims Have Father?? by Demmzy15(m): 6:03pm On Jun 13, 2015
parisbookaddict:


Muslims always throwing insults. .
Lol, see who's talking. You have no respect for anyone even your parents and I really pity them!!
Re: Does Muslims Have Father?? by malvisguy212: 6:08pm On Jun 13, 2015
Demmzy15:

Ayaf sha told you my own. Bunch of losers!!! grin
the op ask a question, none of you have answer, does muslims have father?can you called God your father?
Re: Does Muslims Have Father?? by parisbookaddict(f): 6:10pm On Jun 13, 2015
Demmzy15:

Lol, see who's talking. You have no respect for anyone even your parents and I really pity them!!

Lol. .. how pls. ..explain..
what does expsoing a 7th century arab peadophile have to do with respecting parents. .

u should pity the innocent parents of christian, yadizi , kurdish even shia muslims whose children have been killed by the devout muslim ISIS fighters...

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Re: Does Muslims Have Father?? by Demmzy15(m): 6:18pm On Jun 13, 2015
malvisguy212:
the op ask a question, none of you have answer, does muslims have father?can you called God your father?
How can I call 'God' my father?!
Re: Does Muslims Have Father?? by Demmzy15(m): 6:18pm On Jun 13, 2015
parisbookaddict:


Lol. .. how pls. ..explain..
what does expsoing a 7th century arab peadophile have to do with respecting parents. .

u should pity the innocent parents of christian, yadizi , kurdish even shia muslims whose children have been killed by the devout muslim ISIS fighters...
As expected!!!
Re: Does Muslims Have Father?? by truthman2012(m): 7:02pm On Jun 13, 2015
Demmzy15:
O boy go school o! grin
Can an English man speak his own language? Smh!!!

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Re: Does Muslims Have Father?? by malvisguy212: 7:19pm On Jun 13, 2015
Demmzy15:

How can I call 'God' my father?!
because you don't know Him, you are a stranger to Him. The relationship with God and christians is like a father son relationship.
Re: Does Muslims Have Father?? by Demmzy15(m): 8:46pm On Jun 13, 2015
malvisguy212:
because you don't know Him, you are a stranger to Him. The relationship with God and christians is like a father son relationship.
Did I argue with you?!
Re: Does Muslims Have Father?? by Demmzy15(m): 8:49pm On Jun 13, 2015
truthman2012:


Can an English man speak his own language? Smh!!!
Explain what you mean or re-phrase because I don't seem to understand what you're saying!
Re: Does Muslims Have Father?? by Nobody: 10:38pm On Jun 13, 2015
Yep we all have a father.... Either the living God or the devil..... Since the devil always counterfeits Gods plans if you don't belong to the living God through Jesus Christ then you are the devils'.
Re: Does Muslims Have Father?? by Nobody: 10:59pm On Jun 13, 2015
What sort of daddy issues do you have? Is the father that begat you not your father?

Sahih International: Say, [O Muhammad], "If you should love Allah , then follow me, [so] Allah will love you and forgive you your sins. And Allah is Forgiving and Merciful." The Noble Quran 3:31

http://www.quranandinjil.org/me8000/pdfs/Gods_love_in_the_Quran.pdf

I think the link above explains everything.
Re: Does Muslims Have Father?? by mustymatic(m): 11:32pm On Jun 13, 2015
malvisguy212:
the op ask a question, none of you have answer, does muslims have father?can you called God your father?
We all have fathers now, Prophet Adam and Jesus didn't... that is that about that smiley
Re: Does Muslims Have Father?? by Nobody: 11:42pm On Jun 13, 2015
mustymatic:

We all have fathers now, Prophet Adam and Jesus didn't... that is that about that smiley

Forget about this clown, he just has daddy issues.

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