javalove:

Davidylan !!!!!

@Huxely
Tnx for ur reply

davidylan:

[size=14pt]Acts 10:34 Then Peter opened his mouth, and said, Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons: 35 But in every nation he that feareth him, and worketh righteousness, is accepted with him.[/size]

DAVID, ARE JEWS GOING TO HEAVEN?

javalove:

RUBBISH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
DAVID, ARE JEWS GOING TO HEAVEN?

No, because you can only enter the gate through jesus the Christ. Nobody can enter heaven through the window. It's somewhere in the bible.

olanajim:

How do you know whether someone (jew or christain) "fear Him" and what are your definition of "worked righteousness"?

I hope I will be guided, dear david?

muhsin:

Aren't Jews worshiping another "god" other than Jesus? Then how are they to 'fear him' or 'work' in the 'right' path he worked or ordered to be followed? Then if thats what would qualify them to go to heaven, they won't. David?

bilms:

There is only one God.

bilms:

and God says: No me befor u serve me, because if u dont no me, how can u serve me? (hadeth Qudusi)

bilms:

Anyone associating anything With Allah those not no him and there is no how he can serve him.

bilms:

and anyone who do not serve God is not going to heaven.

babs787:

@Davidylan

What do you have to say to your sisters post before I come using your book as well?

davidylan:

[size=14pt]Acts 10:34 Then Peter opened his mouth, and said, Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons: 35 But in [b]every nation he that feareth him, and worketh righteousness, is accepted with him[/b].[/size]

davidylan:

[size=14pt]Acts 10:34 Then Peter opened his mouth, and said, Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons: 35 But in every nation he that feareth him, and worketh righteousness, is accepted with him.[/size]

davidylan:

- Salvation is NOT a national decision . . . it is a personal decision of the heart.

Romans 10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
   10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
   11 For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.
   12 For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him.
   13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.

JEWS DO NOT ACCEPT JESUS AS THE MESSIAH BECAUSE:
         Intro: (What exactly is the Messiah?)
1) Jesus did not fulfill the messianic prophecies.
2) Jesus did not embody the personal qualifications of the Messiah.
3) Biblical verses "referring" to Jesus are mistranslations.
4) Jewish belief is based on national revelation.
At the end of this article, we will examine these additional topics:
5) Christianity contradicts Jewish theology
6) Jews and Gentiles
7) Bringing the Messiah

What exactly is the Messiah? (back)

The word "Messiah" is an English rendering of the Hebrew word "Mashiach", which means "Anointed." It usually refers to a person initiated into God's service by being anointed with oil. (Exodus 29:7, I Kings 1:39, II Kings 9:3)

Since every King and High Priest was anointed with oil, each may be referred to as "an anointed one" (a Mashiach or a Messiah). For example: "God forbid that I [David] should stretch out my hand against the Lord's Messiah [Saul], " (I Samuel 26:11. Cf. II Samuel 23:1, Isaiah 45:1, Psalms 20:6)

Where does the Jewish concept of Messiah come from? One of the central themes of Biblical prophecy is the promise of a future age of perfection characterized by universal peace and recognition of God. (Isaiah 2:1-4; Zephaniah 3:9; Hosea 2:20-22; Amos 9:13-15; Isaiah 32:15-18, 60:15-18; Micah 4:1-4; Zechariah 8:23, 14:9; Jeremiah 31:33-34)

Many of these prophetic passages speak of a descendant of King David who will rule Israel during the age of perfection. (Isaiah 11:1-9; Jeremiah 23:5-6, 30:7-10, 33:14-16; Ezekiel 34:11-31, 37:21-28; Hosea 3:4-5)

Since every King is a Messiah, by convention, we refer to this future anointed king as The Messiah. The above is the only description in the Bible of a Davidic descendant who is to come in the future. We will recognize the Messiah by seeing who the King of Israel is at the time of complete universal perfection.

1) JESUS DID NOT FULFILL THE MESSIANIC PROPHECIES (back)

What is the Messiah supposed to accomplish? The Bible says that he will:

A. Build the Third Temple (Ezekiel 37:26-28).

B. Gather all Jews back to the Land of Israel (Isaiah 43:5-6).

C. Usher in an era of world peace, and end all hatred, oppression, suffering and disease. As it says: "Nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall man learn war anymore." (Isaiah 2:4)

D. Spread universal knowledge of the God of Israel, which will unite humanity as one. As it says: "God will be King over all the world -- on that day, God will be One and His Name will be One" (Zechariah 14:9).

The historical fact is that Jesus fulfilled none of these messianic prophecies.

Christians counter that Jesus will fulfill these in the Second Coming, but Jewish sources show that the Messiah will fulfill the prophecies outright, and no concept of a second coming exists.

2) JESUS DID NOT EMBODY THE PERSONAL QUALIFICATIONS OF MESSIAH (back)

A. MESSIAH AS PROPHET

Jesus was not a prophet. Prophecy can only exist in Israel when the land is inhabited by a majority of world Jewry. During the time of Ezra (circa 300 BCE), when the majority of Jews refused to move from Babylon to Israel, prophecy ended upon the death of the last prophets -- Haggai, Zechariah and Malachi.

Jesus appeared on the scene approximately 350 years after prophecy had ended.

B. DESCENDENT OF DAVID

According to Jewish sources, the Messiah will be born of human parents and possess normal physical attributes like other people. He will not be a demi-god, (1) nor will he possess supernatural qualities.

The Messiah must be descended on his father's side from King David (see Genesis 49:10 and Isaiah 11:1). According to the Christian claim that Jesus was the product of a virgin birth, he had no father -- and thus could not have possibly fulfilled the messianic requirement of being descended on his father's side from King David! (2)
SEE THE CATHOLIC CHURCH'S RESPONSE TO THIS QUESTION

C. TORAH OBSERVANCE

The Messiah will lead the Jewish people to full Torah observance. The Torah states that all mitzvot (commandments) remain binding forever, and anyone coming to change the Torah is immediately identified as a false prophet. (Deut. 13:1-4)

Throughout the New Testament, Jesus contradicts the Torah and states that its commandments are no longer applicable. (see John 1:45 and 9:16, Acts 3:22 and 7:37)  For example, John 9:14 records that Jesus made a paste in violation of Shabbat, which caused the Pharisees to say (verse 16), "He does not observe Shabbat!"

3) MISTRANSLATED VERSES "REFERRING" TO JESUS (back)

Biblical verses can only be understood by studying the original Hebrew text -- which reveals many discrepancies in the Christian translation.

A. VIRGIN BIRTH

The Christian idea of a virgin birth is derived from the verse in Isaiah 7:14 describing an "alma" as giving birth. The word "alma" has always meant a young woman, but Christian theologians came centuries later and translated it as "virgin." This accords Jesus' birth with the first century pagan idea of mortals being impregnated by gods.

B. CRUCIFIXION

The verse in Psalms 22:17 reads: "Like a lion, they are at my hands and feet." The Hebrew word ki-ari (like a lion) is grammatically similar to the word "gouged." Thus Christianity reads the verse as a reference to crucifixion: "They pierced my hands and feet."

C. SUFFERING SERVANT

Christianity claims that Isaiah chapter 53 refers to Jesus, as the "suffering servant."

In actuality, Isaiah 53 directly follows the theme of chapter 52, describing the exile and redemption of the Jewish people. The prophecies are written in the singular form because the Jews ("Israel" are regarded as one unit. The Torah is filled with examples of the Jewish nation referred to with a singular pronoun.

Ironically, Isaiah's prophecies of persecution refer in part to the 11th century when Jews were tortured and killed by Crusaders who acted in the name of Jesus.

From where did these mistranslations stem? St. Gregory, 4th century Bishop of Nazianzus, wrote: "A little jargon is all that is necessary to impose on the people. The less they comprehend, the more they admire."

5) CHRISTIANITY CONTRADICTS JEWISH THEOLOGY (back)

The following theological points apply primarily to the Roman Catholic Church, the largest Christian denomination.

A. GOD AS THREE?

The Catholic idea of Trinity breaks God into three separate beings: The Father, the Son and the Holy Ghost (Matthew 28:19).

Contrast this to the Shema, the basis of Jewish belief: "Hear O Israel, the Lord our God, the Lord is ONE" (Deut. 6:4). Jews declare the Shema every day, while writing it on doorposts (Mezuzah), and binding it to the hand and head (Tefillin). This statement of God's One-ness is the first words a Jewish child is taught to say, and the last words uttered before a Jew dies.

In Jewish law, worship of a three-part god is considered idolatry -- one of the three cardinal sins that a Jew should rather give up his life than transgress. This explains why during the Inquisitions and throughout history, Jews gave up their lives rather than convert.

B. MAN AS GOD?

Roman Catholics believe that God came down to earth in human form, as Jesus said: "I and the Father are one" (John 10:30).

Maimonides devotes most of the "Guide for the Perplexed" to the fundamental idea that God is incorporeal, meaning that He assumes no physical form. God is Eternal, above time. He is Infinite, beyond space. He cannot be born, and cannot die. Saying that God assumes human form makes God small, diminishing both His unity and His divinity. As the Torah says: "God is not a mortal" (Numbers 23:19).

Judaism says that the Messiah will be born of human parents, and possess normal physical attributes like other people. He will not be a demi-god, and will not possess supernatural qualities. In fact, an individual is alive in every generation with the capacity to step into the role of the Messiah. (see Maimonides - Laws of Kings 11:3)

C. INTERMEDIARY FOR PRAYER?

The Catholic belief is that prayer must be directed through an intermediary -- i.e. confessing one's sins to a priest. Jesus himself is an intermediary, as Jesus said: "No man cometh unto the Father but by me."

In Judaism, prayer is a totally private matter, between each individual and God. As the Bible says: "God is near to all who call unto Him" (Psalms 145:18). Further, the Ten Commandments state: "You shall have no other gods BEFORE ME," meaning that it is forbidden to set up a mediator between God and man. (see Maimonides - Laws of Idolatry ch. 1)

PROGRAMS TO CONVERT JEWS TO CHRISTIANITY



Quotation:
"I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me." Christian Scriptures (New Testament), John 14:6. That passage has been a prime motivator of Christian evangelical activity towards Jews and other non-Christians:



Overview:

Relations between Christians and Jews have traditionally been horrific. Christians have a past history of exterminating large numbers of Jews and/or forcibly converting Jews to Christianity. The Christian church taught for many centuries that all of the Jews in 1st century Palestine were responsible for deicide -- the execution of Jesus. Further, they taught that each successive generation of Jews shared equal responsibility with their ancestors. Almost all denominations abandoned this belief by 1965.
In the 10th century, Christian Crusaders systematically exterminated uncounted thousands of Jews on their way to and from the Holy Land.
In 1492, Spanish Jews were given the option of converting to Christianity or being expelled from their own country.
The Spanish Inquisition was established, in part, to ferret out any former Jews that had not sincerely converted.
The predominately Christian American colonies frequently denied Jews the right to hold public office.
Pogroms (organized persecution and massacre of Jews) in Czarist Russia and in eastern Europe resulted in the deaths of countless thousands of Jews.
During the Nazi Holocaust of World War II, approximately 6 million Jews were exterminated by citizens of various European countries; the vast majority of the murderers considered themselves to be Christians; all were volunteers. There is a general consensus that the Holocaust could not have happened without centuries of Christian anti-Jewish teachings.
Anti-semitic attacks on individual Jews, their property, cemeteries and synagogues continue today worldwide, and are increasing in frequency.
More horrific details.


A main point of conflict between Jews and Christians today is the attempt by many conservative Christian groups to convert Jews to Christianity through persuasion. This is viewed by many Jews as an attack on their religion.

Lagosboy:

But this could apply to Hindus, Zorastrans,muslims, jews, Sikhs, Ba'ai and all other faiths who believes in the existence of God. Why do u hate muslims so much if according to you believe in the verse above to mean what you say.

Bastage:

"He that feareth Him"

Please you did not even define the HIM because the jews i know do not believe in you concept of God so how would they be among the "HE".

Bastage:

Eartmama,st funmi i like on this occassion because she hasnt been hypocritical and went straight with her convictions without mixing it with politics. I thought "Jesus is the way truth and life , no one goes to the Father except through him" even the muslims believes without believing in Jesus u cannot be a muslim so how do the jews come into place here.

Bastage:

Abeg moyin dont play poitics with your faith and call a spade a spade according to your bible. the questioner wasnt asking the jews as a nation or tribe but jews as followers of judaism.

St.Funmi:

No, because you can only enter the gate through jesus the Christ. Nobody can enter heaven through the window. It's somewhere in the bible.

Mustay:

Moved to Religion

oyb:

so much for the god of love dawoda keeps blathering about

oyb:

i doubt if even all dawoda acrobatics can explain how jesus(god) was raised by jesus(god) from the dead

oyb:

don't mind dawoda that noisemaking  worshipper/child of a man/god/spirit  

MrCrackles:

Simple questions requiring simple answers, yet we are getting entangled in a quagmire!

Wahala dey oo!

toneyb:

The answer to the question is that all jews will go to hell. The jews do not believe in jesus, and for you to go to the christian heaven according to the bible you first have to believe in jesus. the jews do not believe in jesus at all as far as they are concerned jesus is a false god that was never talked about in their religious books as christians will like to have people believe.

davidylan:

what has his gibberish to do with the question? A man who will look for ants in his neighbours house should be careful there are no termites in his own.

davidylan:

yeah hypocrite . . . afraid again?

much better than your idol who plans mischief against those he pleases. Isnt he the same one who refused to forgive an allegedly repentant fellow? the same one who puts mostly women in hell for simple stuff like disobeying their husbands? the same one who doesnt mention the concept of love EVEN ONCE in his quran?

Yup i know which God i'd choose.

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Q. What does the Bible tell us about those Jews who do not accept Jesus? How will God's chosen people go to heaven if they refuse to accept Christ as the Messiah?

A. It's true that there is no other name under heaven by which we may be saved (Acts 4:12).
"Therefore God exalted him [Jesus the Messiah] to the highest place and gave him the name that is above every name, that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth, and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father" (Philippians 2:9-11, New International Version throughout, unless otherwise stated).

Anyone who willfully, knowingly rejects Jesus as the Savior will miss out on salvation and the opportunity to live forever with our Father and His firstborn Son, Jesus.

Yet, in spite of all evangelical efforts by many churches, we see that the majority of people throughout time have not been followers of God.
"He [Jesus] was in the world, and though the world was made through him, the world did not recognize him. He came to that which was his own, but his own did not receive him. Yet to all who received him, to those who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God" (John 1:10-12).

As it turns out, that's part of God's plan for mankind during this era. The Bible reveals that God calls people to Christ (John 6:44). But God is not calling everyone now.

In order to answer your question fully, I need to tell you more about the wonderful plan of God.

davidylan:

It will only apply to WHOSOEVER first understands the "God" Peter was talking about in Acts. He certainly wasnt talking about "God" in a general sense . . .
Dont confuse issues.

davidylan:

Stupid reasoning. Again the tendency to lump the jews together. The verses i just posted CLEARLY indicate God does not deal with christians as a group but as an individual. the individual Jews who know Christ as Lord and Saviour, just like the individual Congolese or Samoans or Aussies or Germans who do likewise will be saved.

davidylan:

3. how do the jews come into place here - Just exactly like anyone else be he/she togolese, american or chinese - He that believeth on Christ shall be saved.

davidylan:

I know he probably was asking the jews as a nation/tribe which was why i posted this first - Acts 10:34 Then Peter opened his mouth, and said, Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons: 35 But in every nation he that feareth him, and worketh righteousness, is accepted with him.

That wasnt refering to anyone as a nation but as an individual.

It will only apply to WHOSOEVER first understands the "God" Peter was talking about in Acts. He certainly wasnt talking about "God" in a general sense . . .
Dont confuse issues.